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Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:53:00 - [1] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: 1.5. We can only hope. I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais. Hear frickin' hear. I lost four tanks today, one to tank PvP (Great match with a guy named Frisky Dingo) and three to AV players and I am now in the red after eight hours of casual gameplay throughout the day. That is ridiculous and utterly untenable. The AV players SOLO'D me. Can anyone explain the balance in me losing 760,000 isk worth of vehicle to 43,000 isk worth of invisible Wiyrkomi swarms from one guy? Don't give me the rock/paper/scissors lecture. This game is supposed to be based on escalation and economics like EVE.* When I put out a HAV, I am literally putting two percent of my total net value out on the field and I deserve better results than being forced to hide from EVERYONE. If another player** destroys me with anything less than a concerted group effort, or the use of another tank, then the isk economy in this game is a complete failure and should scrapped entirely. Do not try to tell me that smaller ships beat bigger, better armed ones in EVE by themselves. In EVE, it's multiple cheaper ships using zerg tactics to wear down larger ones. In other words, TEAM WORK. Don't reference real world events like some mythological "One dude with a rocket launcher"* allegedly taking out a tank. In 2003, When the second gulf war started, the United States deployed over 1,000 M1 Abrams tanks into the middle-east. By 2005, a grand total of 80 had been destroyed, or disabled. Those affected tanks were damaged by multiple attackers using RPG's and IEDs, targeting the sides, and hatches of those vehicles. Concerted effort, not "One dude with a rocket launcher."
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:26:00 - [2] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/539610_10151849545778934_995392485_n.jpg Now, please tell me again how they are balanced? Because before 1.4 it was fine when we Infantry stubbed our little Toenail to the side of Lav for 10.000 damage while we DONT even have 10.000 HP!!!, also those grenades deal around 1500 damage so whatever caused that must have been a glitch that upped the numbers just like when a LAV hit me for 10k Murder taxis are still a thing. They just need a running start now, is all.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:36:00 - [3] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Don't Fly what you can't afford to loose, in your case substitue fly with Drive... I can head into FW and loose a 30m ISk cruiser or i can head into FW with a Tactical Cruiser worth 3 Billion isk and loose it aswell, sure ill waste more people with the Tactical Cruiser but at some point i will be dead to smaller cheap sh*ts of ships.[ How is that you think you're proving your point, by proving my point? You just conceded that your expensive cruiser would lay waste before being eventually dragged down. Get back to me when your cruiser get solo'd by a frigate.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:18:00 - [4] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Easy....read and watch the movie of a single guy laying waste to multiple ships of higher or equal class solo, its called being skilled...if i would fly my 3B isk tactical against this guy i would get wasted and his ship most likely doesnt cost 300m isk. Quote: Kovorix of Matari Exodus [.EXO.] really showcases the raw power of the Omen Navy Issue in the hands of a true pro in this video. Armed only with a T2 fit and a modest clone, Kovorix absolutely lays waste to all comers. http://themittani.com/media/solo-pvp-call-wild-omen-navy-issue Right on, dude. Kiting is the skill benchmark now. My HAVs totally got kited into those fiery explosions by wry and cunning opponents who suckered me into my doom! Oh, wait, no. They got got gibbed by solo players using lock-on targeting with overly damaging ordinance. Oh, but they did it skillfully! None of that not rendering in front of my HAV, and using set-it-and-forget-it targeting to score safe and easy War points. SKILL!
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 206	Posted - 2013.09.13 16:04:00 - [5] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Tankers want to sit inside a completely Invulnerable Shell, because it costs more ISK then our suits, yet they lay waste to 2-4m isk of suits per match easy, but oh boy if one of them fights back QQ time! That tired argument, again? A tank player scoring a high number of kills in a pub match is no different from an assault gunner scoring a high number of kills. The only difference is that the tanker is playing mostly blind thanks to bad rendering, it takes him three full seconds to turn around, and he dies as quickly as you can blink. A tank driver who can get 20+ kills in a match is a flat out good player. Claiming that it's "easy" as you're doing is an arbitrary subjection that is completely false. The tradeoff for limited ammunition in 1.5 needs to be higher defense. Brick and moan all you wish about the plague of 40-0 solo tankers who don't exist anywhere except in the fervid imaginations of their detractors, but back here on earth, tankers have gotten the shaft. 4,000 isk solo grenadiers are a bad joke in a game allegedly based on economics and escalation. Reduce a tank's killing power by all means, or curb it with a hard ammo cap, but don't sit there and claim that everything's hunky dory about one dude being able to break an allegedly heavily armored vehicle by himself with cheap, easily replaceable weapons. I mean hell, if things are so balanced, why don't Nano hives spawn new tanks for me?
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 206	Posted - 2013.09.13 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I'm slipping in to say that the people saying the anti-vehicle should be nerfed are bloody hilarious. Just... slow clap. I hope they realize they are using standard tanks, not advanced or prototype. Proto AV to a standard tank is the equivalent to a Duvolle against a standard AR. Hahahahahaha. Added note: I'm only slipping in here because people are acting like they are entitled to nearly unkillable tanks. Give me a module that reduce tank fire damage by 90% against my scout suit then. Hahahahaha. Sarcastic, but you made a good point here. Portable shielding to hide behind. Chaff grenades that blind tanks, EMP rifles that disable vehicles, hacker modules that let scouts steal occupied tanks. Give tools to the infantry that reward skillful play, and make every game different, not just blanket damage that kills all the fun.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 207	Posted - 2013.09.13 17:22:00 - [7] - Quote Void Echo wrote: that will destroy all use of tanks if everyone is able to steal a tank if someone is in the pilot seat. why the hell would anyone want that It's just an idea. I doubt anyone would put in enough SP to do it, but if they did, it would make for some hilarious matches. Anyway, the point is to demonstrate that there are any number of ways the tank vs infantry game could go other than, pew-pew-boom>!< To be clear, I do not want an invincible tank that takes a full team to kill, nor do I want to mow down dozens of people per match. What I want is performance reflective of my isk investment in the vehicle. Tanks are overvalued and under-performing. Those brilliant pilots who manage to go 18-0 aren't having any more fun than pilots who go 3-1, because of the stress involved in keeping their HAVS on the field. It was never the survivability of the tanks that was at fault, it was the grossly exaggerated killing power that made people hate them so much.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 208	Posted - 2013.09.13 18:05:00 - [8] - Quote pamuku420tyme wrote: The most sad part of this thread, is that CCP will listen to some of u bItchers and nerf yet another thing in this game making it even worse. i get it i do, snipers want to be unstoppable, tankers need to be almighty, MDs want to be all powerful and heavys want to be walking tanks. but d@mn people are u realizing that ur stupid little comments about sh!t needing to be changed to better suit this game to you, is destroying this game for everyone. Bro, come on. Be fair. I only started playing in late June, but I've been reading old threads on these forums, and tanks have not been a factor since March of this year, when they lost marauders, and then had their pg nerfed, and even had their rail range snipped. Infantry has easily dominated the field since then. If this game is being destroyed for anyone at this point, it is definitely not because of tanks.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 208	Posted - 2013.09.13 18:13:00 - [9] - Quote pamuku420tyme wrote: i like how people get bits of info. i dont care about tanks anymore it was just part of a list of points. BUT people getting bits of info like that explains why this game is like this now. Cause CCP listens to ADD/ ADHD and just plain stupid people about doing nerfs You're ideas are a little unclear at this point, hombre. Maybe take a break and do a rewrite?
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 211	Posted - 2013.09.13 19:00:00 - [10] - Quote Void Echo wrote: [quote=Mary Sedillo] I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it. I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on. Void, you make some good points, but an insistence on some sort of archaic system of dueling is ridiculous. When I've popped tanks, I didn't bow first. When other tanks have popped me, they didn't give me a warning shot. If someone is open, you blitz them, that's just common sense. Don't you see how silly it is to castigate infantry for demanding the game be all about what they want, only to demand that other tankers follow your idea of decorum in order to be considered 'tankers?' That's just cliquish.

Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 211	Posted - 2013.09.13 19:16:00 - [11] - Quote Void Echo wrote: I just hate tankers that claim to be good when they never really got hit by another tank. sed was even burned the other day, everyone jumped on his case about doing that, he had no response. If Sedio is fielding tanks, getting kills, and frustrating attempts by other tanks to kill him, then he is good. Why settle things mano-a-mano when you can settle for winning instead? I lost four tanks to Gatic Beawulf because he had a teammate using a swarm launcher. I thought the first two times were just sht luck, until I realized in the third round the dude was riding in Gattic's tank, and that they were partners.* Dirty, underhanded, weasel tanking! F*ckin' brilliant! I feel nothing but admiration for such bastard tactics. Dude was doing whatever it took to protect his investment.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 214	Posted - 2013.09.13 20:51:00 - [12] - Quote Haaa. Two minutes ago, lost another tank. Blueberry fucktards spamming the missile turrets and not letting me recall + getting caught by an av guy in between my cooldowns equals fuuuuck tanks. Wake me up when 1.5 hits. Meanwhile I'm going to have more fun getting proto-stomped in my assault starter suits, playing ambush.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 217	Posted - 2013.09.13 21:12:00 - [13] - Quote ABadMutha13 wrote: I love this guy! Our Deepest Regret is my hero! Yay, I'm a hero! Seriously though, I just want the stand and deliver gameplay that Wolfman promised for armor tanks in his 1.5 post. Slow brick, high defense, siege weaponry. Pushing objectives, providing a wall for my teammates, having something to do other than circling around the joint looking for other tanks or stray raspberries, and running away from everything else. I'm not gonna get that game play in the current game, so I'm just gonna stop bitching about it, keep grinding sp and isk, and hope for the best next month.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 220	Posted - 2013.09.14 05:29:00 - [14] - Quote Gorgon Entropus wrote: Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks taking out tanks, this is exactly how it should be. If you want to fight tank vs tank, play a different game. A well equipped merc, is a merc that only dies hundreds of times. Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks, the only tanks getting taken out with garbage munitions like that are those rusted soviet relics still being deployed in places like Syria. Like so. HAVs should only be compared to heavily armored models such as the M1 Abrams. The Abrams is very much a sock-proof tank.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 230	Posted - 2013.09.15 06:19:00 - [15] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, cause other weapons dont get nerfed and tweaked all the time, just vehicles You like to say others spread information but fall back on hyperbolic statements near constantly You throw ***** fits and try to railroad the conversation when called on it And you also like to post this challenge of driving a tank with you but when I take you up on it you no show and return none of the in game mails I sent to you so why should I believe you wont do the same thing again and just waste my time, and hell even if you do show Ill just blow up your tanks for fun 1. He wrote "specializations," not "weapons." The dedicated HAV pilot is his tank. If he can't make full use of his tank, then he's gimped. Imagine the fun of wearing a suit that crippled your ability to see your opponents unless at extremely close range even if your scanner is telling you that they're right there. Imagine the fun of having a dropsuit with maneuverability issues that cost one million isk to wear at standard level. Imagine the fun of speccing into this suit and not being able to utilize it until most of your skills are maxed at lvl 5, because everyone else is already spec'd into advanced and proto level counters for you, therefor denying you the ability to enjoy your character for months when you're a new player. 2. Have you considered that you two are probably on different time zones and that you might not be on when the other is asleep or working? 3. Speaker is a pretty chill guy. I haven't observed him going off on anybody. You on the other hand seem to have a hot temper. 4. So basically, you'd just park his tank in the redline and wait for it to explode, rather than take him up on the challenge of proving him wrong? Out of spite or whatever? Huh. Interesting.

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