is it too late to mention that plasma is not an element but a state of matter? Stay in school bro.

My favorite part is it says that is is a state of matter in the very post you cite as evidence of your intelligence. Beyond that though citing wikipedia just makes you seem foolish. You know that it is frequently wrong don't you? Anyone who cites wikipedia should be kicked in the balls for not understanding its flaws as a reference.

Sorry to tell you friend but with 0 sp invested in SMG I notice significant AA action when using it. No skills are needed to AA that tiny grasshopper. It even works while ADSing with the SMG.

You're not punished for missing with a massdriver. The splash damage is the primary way MD users kill people. Stop trying to sound like your skilled for using the MD which rewards missing.

Is it too late to mention that the AR in this game shoots PLASMA! Wouldn't that just melt clean though armor and shields? Especially when contained in a magnetic bolt? If I'm wrong just ignore me :)

the Assault Scr is a LVL 4 weapon, that does 120 to shields and 80 to armor so finishing off enemies at range is not its forte. with 3 times the kick, and greater muzzle flash it isn't exactly the most accurate gun either. it overheats as well. At range where more bullets will be needed to done targets this becomes an issue.

Scr have better worse CPU/PG fitting requirements than ARs making tanking and using damage mods harder.

also, comparing damage to shields at range and comparing a miltia AR that does 110/95 to shields armor to an ADV AScr that does 120/80 to shields armor is misleading.

the Ascr does 444.12 dps
the milita AR does 467 dps.

why does a milita AR have greater dps than an Ascr.

why does the Ascr have greater damage fall off over range than a milita AR?

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It certainly has less dispersion, yes. But 'marginally' less dps? That's not accurate. A standard AR does 425 dps. A standard HMG does 600 dps. While the dispersion is certainly different, that isn't 'marginally' less, that's almost 50% less!

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'No recoil'. Technically incorrect. It does have recoil - but it's not very significant. This is one of the major changes that I would prefer for the AR - it needs significant recoil.

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Your calculation for the Duvolle's dps is extremely biased. Not only is it inaccurate due to the 1.1 multiplier you wrongly applied, you're not looking at the other side of the coin. How much dps does a Boundless do with two damage mods and maxed proficiency, if you're comparing to the HMG? Why not compare the dps to other weapons than just the HMG? For example, look at the scrambler rifles dps.

Food for thought.. Which (be honest) would you rather face

1) A Duvolle AR at 65 Meters

Or

2) A Boundless HMG at 25 meters

Personally? A. I'm more scared of an AR outside it's optimal than I am of an HMG inside it's optimal. And there's a real problem with that.

'Nuff said.

Im going to be honest with you.

I dont know why CCP BUFFED the AR.
I remember it used to do 31 / 31.5 / 32.5 ish damage.
Now it goes around 37.5 at proto level.
I DONT KNOW WHY CCP did this.
Yes the AR is a pain in the butt to deal with and of course our friend CLONE117 has a lot wrong,but he does have a point.
The AR IS the most Deadly weapon in a 1v1 situation, not considering ranges.
''all of the other guns can pretty much kill very effectively with out much sp investment..'' Not really bro,you need proficiency 3-4 to make the Laser rifle work and beat a MLT AR. You are over reacting a little.

But on the other stuff i think i agree with him. The AR has an insane DPS YES,but tahts in the imaginary case that ALL BULLETS HIT>
Not taking into consideration,enemy movement, own fault misses, forgot to reload,etc...
The real nerf the AR needs is:
-ACtual Dispersion rate and recoil (For an AR they have nothing, the AR is more accurate than my LR, im not kidding)
-Reduce the Aim assist, and this goes to all weapons.

Before 1.4 we still had the AR is OP thing, but before it was dodgable, bullets hurt but did not hit all the time.
The problem is NOW they are hitting 58 out of 60 bullets,andTHATS what makes the AR feel op....

IMO that is.

ok yes plasma is very hot, but it doesn't carry much heat especially in discreet packets, frankly bullets carry more energy then most plasmas that would occupy the same space. Frankly the only way you could make plasma do the damage it does in this game the way it does it is by making a super heated very dense(for plasma) slug of it in a magnetic field(which is in fact the way it is described in the game).

god ******* damn it graaahhhhh!! is psychics and science in general just not taught in schools any more??? why do people treat this **** like god damn magic and with no sense of scale...............

you know what I just read that the radiation from fukushima will be hitting the west coast in the next few months you should go and get your radiation med and start popping them like candy to protect your self. ****

oh I should mention NEVER take radiation med unless instructed to, last thing I need is to get blamed for the death of every sci illiterate on the west coast.

First of all, efficacy does not change between tiers. 110% is retained between the Militia Assault Rifle and the Duvolle Assault Rifle - this is congruent with all weapons. Their efficacy only changes based on range, variant and whether or not you're firing at shields/armor. There is no difference. There is absolutely nothing misleading about it, the damage slopes are retained no matter what.

Secondly, like with all weapons, the CPU and PG requirements on the Scrambler Rifle can be reduced. This is a moot point considering that the CPU costs on Assault Rifles are higher in the upper tiers and Scrambler Rifles retain their traditionally high PG costs as they do in Eve Online. This is solely because they are very powerful weapons, which is the exact same reason they have overheat - which is another negligible factor because anyone with the right build finds it challenging to overheat the Scrambler Rifle. If you're having problems with this, perhaps you should invest in the Amarr Assault

Which, I will remind you, Amarr have higher CPU/PG resources on their suits solely to compensate for this.

Third and final, your DPS estimates are exaggerated and wrong - much like most of your argument. The damage per second calculation is damage multiplied by rate of fire divided by sixty. How you managed to pull 467 DPS on a Militia Assault Rifle without tying in skills/modules is beyond me, because that is higher than it's actual value of 425 (34 damage * 12.5 rounds per second)

When comparing the Advanced vs Advanced and Proto vs Proto tiers (as you should have done) the values come out as such:

GEK-38 AR: 446.25
CRD-9 ASR: 444.53

Duvolle AR: 467.5
Carthum ASR: 465.7

The difference in DPS is negligible. So why does the Militia AR have higher DPS? It doesn't. You evaluated the expression incorrectly. Why does the ASR have a greater fall off over range? Because it has a longer range with the same optimal. Never the less, both have their perks and different design philosophies.

Edit: Also, where is your gauge for this mythical "3x recoil"? Do you have a video showing side by side comparisons between the two? Are skills, like Sharpshooter, being taken into account? What is the basis for this claim besides magic?

Please provide legitimate information and true-to-reality evidence of your findings. Don't just throw out information that you make up (like Militia AR DPS) because I will school you.

Another Edit:

Here, I did your job for you: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1295853#post1295853

• I think you'll find that's actually 70%... Not marginally less, but not 50% either... And if you do factor in dispersion as you say later in your argument... Interesting...
• With you on the recoil...
• I think what he was trying to say is that a Basic Heavy with a Heavy Machine Gun shouldn't be killed so quickly. Even by someone with a prototype Assault Rifle...

And bare in mind still, that, even in close quarters with 2 people standing still and shooting at each other, the Assault Rifle would get a larger percentage of bullets to hit... And that brings it so close to the Heavy Machinegun, that it almost makes the Heavy Sentinel role obsolete... Unless the 2 aforementioned guys are of the same level in all of their equipment... And that shouldn't be the case... Just my 2 cents...

You're all just jealous that the Gallente designed the superior battlefield weapon.

wouldnt be saying that if the shotgun or plasma cannon worked, you'd be saying "OMG its so OP, nerf the range, nerf the splash"

or if i had a galente HMG, everyone would call it op if it did porportionally what this AR does

if you read past the first sentece of the OP you would see that I list more than several reasons why combined the AR is OP.

and anyone who doesn't check the reference at the bottom should be castrated for not taking 5 seconds to check. a reference is a reference it doesn't matter where its from.

regardless you failed to explain how a something superheated to 3000+ Kelvin in a volitle state won't instantely kill or harm the user and/or the mechanism holding it in the fashion of an AR. (and i dnt just mean a plasma cutter, which only explains nova knives, I mean launching plasma faster than the speed of sound like lightneing)

so STFU.

and for your reference here are the references . your gonna need more than a GED to intimidate me pal.

Yes but if you start out on a false statement the rest doesn't matter to me anyway.

• the first statement was that Aim assist wasn't the problem, bro. You being alliterate isn't my problem, so troll somewhere else.
• commenting on something before you read it is the epitome of stupidity.
• the fact that no one for 14 pages has been able to effectively counter any of the arguments of the OP, is proof enough you b*llshitting and the AR is OP.

there is a nice summary for you, if you don't read this and keep responding there is something wrong with you

devs please do us all a favor and lock this thread up, iv seen at least 3 threads within a week from this guy saying this is op and that is op

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Op means you fail, fine the ar is op, now what? Same thing, adapt or die.

not only did I counter all your arguments 8 pages ago. but i thoroughly explained that the 10% bonus given all weapons after uprising when the HMG got its damage per shot increased from 12 to 18, applied to all weapons at that time.

all weapons released after that did not get this bonus.

so yes 425 * 1.1 = 467.
learn basic math bro, stay in school.

in addition, your videos hardly prove much. there were no enemies. but what the second one did prove is that the side to side, and up and down recoil on the scrambler is greater than that of the AR.

you still failed to explain how a milita grade AR should do 71% of an HMGs dps, with non of the drawbacks.
you have failed to explain how 3 seconds TTK for a heavy with proto shields and armor using a milita AR is balanced.
you have failed.

your arguments about the CPU/PG are baseless because PG/CPU can be reduced on the AR as well. face the facts. Go to the dust fitting tool and tell me you can't fit more on a suit with a GEK than on a suit with an Assault scrambler.

• the first statement was that Aim assist wasn't the problem, bro. You being alliterate isn't my problem, so troll somewhere else.
• commenting on something before you read it is the epitome of stupidity.
• the fact that no one for 14 pages has been able to effectively counter any of the arguments of the OP, is proof enough you b*llshitting and the AR is OP.

there is a nice summary for you, if you don't read this and keep responding there is something wrong with you