DUST Search - The official nerf AR thread with links and math

Monkey MAC wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:

I just feel like saying..

If HMG's are supposed to be low-range, high CQC damage.. Then why has CCP not actually given them the damage to truly be the king of CQC automatic weapons(we all know Shottie is the real king of CQC :P )?

Right now, AR's out DPS HMG's, or are on par at the lowest. Not sure if that's speaking more about the damage output of a HMG or the AR though..

And ofc, AR's apply their damage with no dispersion, virtually no recoil, and at 2x the range of a HMG :/

So there's that..

The only way a HMG can out dps an AR is because of dispersion, the HMG has right off quite a noticeable higher DPS. So high Dispersion and High Rof makes it good in cqc in theorie as dispersion won't hinder your shot from hitting your target.

If the hmg is a minmatar weapon, then its actully long range suppresion, and short range breaching, liken the mass driver, it's dispersion is high because suppresing an enemy shouldn't mean butchering him with a hose of gunfire, it needs a range boost to about 25m and 10% more dispersion!!


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Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 396	Posted - 2013.09.08 11:16:00 - [1] - Quote Confining that as an 1100 Hp heavy, I've died in under 2 seconds to AR users. Many a time they were behind me, I didn't even have time to spin around, even with the new turn rate buffs.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 411	Posted - 2013.09.11 11:25:00 - [2] - Quote I just feel like saying.. If HMG's are supposed to be low-range, high CQC damage.. Then why has CCP not actually given them the damage to truly be the king of CQC automatic weapons(we all know Shottie is the real king of CQC :P )? Right now, AR's out DPS HMG's, or are on par at the lowest. Not sure if that's speaking more about the damage output of a HMG or the AR though.. And ofc, AR's apply their damage with no dispersion, virtually no recoil, and at 2x the range of a HMG :/ So there's that..
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 413	Posted - 2013.09.11 13:46:00 - [3] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: I just feel like saying.. If HMG's are supposed to be low-range, high CQC damage.. Then why has CCP not actually given them the damage to truly be the king of CQC automatic weapons(we all know Shottie is the real king of CQC :P )? Right now, AR's out DPS HMG's, or are on par at the lowest. Not sure if that's speaking more about the damage output of a HMG or the AR though.. And ofc, AR's apply their damage with no dispersion, virtually no recoil, and at 2x the range of a HMG :/ So there's that.. The only way a HMG can out dps an AR is because of dispersion, the HMG has right off quite a noticeable higher DPS. So high Dispersion and High Rof makes it good in cqc in theorie as dispersion won't hinder your shot from hitting your target. If the hmg is a minmatar weapon, then its actully long range suppresion, and short range breaching, liken the mass driver, it's dispersion is high because suppresing an enemy shouldn't mean butchering him with a hose of gunfire, it needs a range boost to about 25m and 10% more dispersion!! Suppression only works if the enemy is afraid of the damage... 850+ EHP Mediums doing their full damage aren't really concerned with a weapon that will take 10 seconds of continuous fire to apply any meaningful damage, while their weapons take 2-4 seconds to finish off the person doing the suppression. Take any real conflict. WW1, WW2, etc. HMG's dealt full damage out far longer than their smaller counterparts. That made people fear incoming damage - the very nature of "supression". In it's current form, the dust HMG is not a real supression weapon. AR's are, however.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 439	Posted - 2013.09.13 12:50:00 - [4] - Quote Food for thought.. Which (be honest) would you rather face 1) A Duvolle AR at 65 Meters Or 2) A Boundless HMG at 25 meters Personally? A. I'm more scared of an AR outside it's optimal than I am of an HMG inside it's optimal. And there's a real problem with that. 'Nuff said.