Honestly I am pleased with this but everyone knows the assault rifle trumphs all. It is a joke that an AR can hit further and do more damage than an HMG. The truth of the matter is that it always will and CCP is not going to change this because they fear that their fan base will die. But they talk balance. Lol ccp is a joke with these stats and how they decided about weapons and they want this to be a thinking shooter won't happen as long as AR are king. Bringing realism to this game would bring balance and start people to thinking and using tactics. Currently to get kills all u need is an assault rifle and M1 grenades or higher and your and instant killer. Why have other classes and weapons. Or better yet why should people that truly love and play this game have to deal with this crap or skill into an assault rifle to remain relevant. I thought CCP was keeping stats on weapons to know these things and prevent this.

Their fan base is already dead. This persistent AR issue is part of the problem. It kills diversity. It kills tactics. It kills depth.

That's why we're hitting a peak of just over 3k concurrent users since 1.4 - there's no point anymore.

I also love how this issue has been brought to the forefront consistently for over a month, plus it was being brought up over a year ago off and on, and nothing in the feedback weekly on it.

Well CCP, Dust is just about dead because you've tried to make the same old same old rather than bring innovative. In the end, all you've accomplished is a crappier version of same old same old and it seems no one really wants to play that.

Eve struck out in it's own direction. Dust must do the same or die.

Buster Im glad you are here responding to this. do you have anymore of your statistics or links about ARs being OP please post them here. I want this thread to be easily accessible for CCP devs to see all about ars

Not even bothering to read the entire thread, just wanted to say... My Scrambler Pistol outdoes your AR


Also, I'm sure it's been said a dozen times, but it's not the gun's fault, it's the aim assist that makes the weapon seem so powerful. Nerf that a bit and things will likely die down again.

complaining about a single gun just by dps alone is stupid...very ,very, stupid...


does not need an overheat function...

most fire fights it drains an entire clip and then some to kill some1..

because we have alot of missing involved....

the ar as is doesnt need nerfing just because its dps is just a tiny bit higher than another gun...


it will mostly take around 40 to 60 rounds to kill your average moving player with it...

and this is in the close to mid range section..

longer ranges would probably involve using more than a few 1-2 full clips of ammo so its stupid if some1 is even trying to shoot at you at that range....

since thats where its least effective...

it does minor amounts of damage at that range...


the average dps of the smg, ar, and hmg along with alot of the other guns r very close together..

they all still have the same ability to kill u at the same speeds..

and all these nerf threads involve r stupid nubs who want to nerf a BALANCED GUN just because they lost a stupid proto suit to it....

and so far that is the only real reason why i keep hearing this nerf certain gun crap....

the same happened to lasers..

the same happened to lavs...

and guess what we dont have any more fun free default lavs now..

its because nubs lost a proto suit to them and begged and begged and whined and cried for their removal...


but im at the point at to where i just think every 1 should stop the nerf ar thread crap once and for all..its worse than reading random spam...

and ive pretty much learned my lesson on the fact that its pointless to waste my breath on stupid noobs who want to ruin the game and make it to where their own single full proto playstyle beats all...

and this^ is why the ar is balanced and needs no nerfing...

no more drawback crap it was designed to have some of the least amount of drawbacks possible...

it isnt a super gun...its on even ground when it comes to all the other weapons versus the ar...

the assault rifle wasnt designed to be played as a specific role...

it was designed to by a good weapon that allows players to assault objectives in numbers...

a group of heavies can still devastate the majority ar users heck a group of any weapon users can beat a group of ar users...

the true reason for nerfing the ar is so stupid..

that every1 here in the world is now dummer...having heard of it...

complaining about a single gun just by dps alone is stupid...very ,very, stupid...

i am a idiot. Not only did i mention several stupid reason why i want to nerf ar.

i like to troll my own threads

You sir are an idiot. Not only did I mention more than one reason why the AR is OP, but:

• when you nerfed the flaylocks, the only claim it was OP was its splash damage
• the MD was its splash damage
• forge gun is its splash damage
• lazer was the fact that i out gunned ARs in lazer range
• shotguns was that it killed Ars in CQC
• HMG was the dps

basically, you just want to nerf everything because everything does what its designed to do.

Stop trolling my thread bro.

the fact that 1 guy with an AR can take on several people using other guns at the sametime alone in their niche is proof enough its OP

Ahhh...the AR nerf shall be glorious. I can just imagine the tears already

It might make me want to reinstall again.

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^ thats trolling..

Ah, I'd thought your opinions were uninformed.
Your confirmation was appreciated.

I uninstalled today.

yeah, and thats why you are getting reported.

Your reasons were mostly either anecdotal or sourced from really, really bad maths.

Additionally, your defence of your nerfing reasons is literally 'Well, all the other ones were pathetic too so I can be pathetic as well right?'

Notice how three of the articles on the list are due to splash damage. Do you think that might have been more of an over-arching problem with splash weaponry? Instead of considering that, the nerf brigade is whining, and the same mistakes of the past are set to be repeated here - because one group doesn't like another group's weapons, clearly they must be OP.

I find it ironic that you should reason that someone wants to nerf something because 'It does what it's designed to do'. That's... what you're doing here.

Much earlier in the thread, I suggested improvements to your OP, which devolved into an internet argument. I will give you props for being more intelligent than the average internet whiner, but you are a part of the nerf brigade here.

You know, I used to respect your opinions, until you got onto the nerf brigade bandwagon.

Just rollback the weapon buffs on everything but the breaches.

Problem solved.

Adjust ranges from there.

ok, I'll humor your blatant disregard for logic and common sense, in this regard because normally you are logical.

morons like you complained about splash damage when hit detection made splash damage horrible. frame rate issues made the explosives fire from the wrong spot, like missle turrets on dropships still do.

in fact most of the math involving the flaylock was horrible and had nothing to do wth how the flaylock operated.

I mean do you even read what you post? do you think before you write? since chromosome AR noobs like you have nerfed systematically, every gun that was annoying them. flaylocks never had more kills that Ars, nor were they more effective except in CQC were they needed to be, but even then it wasn't a big problem since you can strafe at 100% of your movement speed before 1.4.

yet, you Ar noobs did not like the flaylock, so you had it nerfed for no other reason. same for MD, hmg and the list goes on...

I find it ironic that you should reason that someone wants to nerf something because 'It does what it's designed to do'. That's... what you're doing here.

I appreciated the coments, but I did the research and based on not only the in game experience of most players in cluding myself, the MATH and logic behind the AR proves it is OP.

in the court of law, eye witness testimony, with evidence, and scientific facts generally lead to convictions. the defense for ARs is weak at best and doesn't mitigate its OPness.

C'mon bro. I know your trying to fight it...
But YOU and I BOTH know based on the evidence the AR is OP.

its hard for me to beleive that you don't think its OP. regardless of whether you use AR or not as a logical individual you certainly must be noticing the validity of these arguments.

honestly.. how can you beleive the AR doesn't need a nerf?

its impossible for me to beleive you can't see this as OP

ok this is just getting ridiculous

i think its time this idiotic thread gets locked...
Mmk. I will listen to you for the fact you are going to start overheating.

your part of the problem on why the game is dieing..


ar is most numerous and players rnt obliterating with it...

if u cant see that then u are obviously part of the nerf brigade problem...

the math u do is stupid pointless and overall flawed..

a large group of any weapon users can actually dominate the field but the ar users r the most numerous because everybody that starts out on the game HAS THE ASSAULT RIFLE...
So... a group of NKers can dominate the field? How about some SGers. Or some LRmen, some SMGers, Snipers, MDers? No. They have a range in which they can be counter in. The AR, the only counter is just more HP, or a bigger gun.

thus one of the reasons it requires no nerfs..

rarely do i die to an ar.. when i do its when im hacking an objective or accidentally ran into a large group of them.


so there is no proper reason to nerf the ar as all the reason u have come up with so far are pointless..

math or no math...
Why? everything in this ******* game has been nerfed into nonexistence based on the fact that the math said so. Why is the AR any different?

the reason to defend ar is weak but so are the even WEAKER reasons to nerf it....


all ive seen so far is the "i want ar nerfed because i ran into a barrage of gunfire from 50 ars and got killed! and lost my precious proto suit' excuse...
You know, that's the same excuse for nerfing the HMG, the FG, the MD, the LAVs, the HAVs, the Heavy Suits, the Light Suits.... The list goes on. Why is the AR exempt from it?

that is infact the only reason that i can see on why u want to nerf it so bad..

That's ******* sad. I knew it was bad, but this is just sad..........