• ars never over heat
• have enough ammo to get 13 kills without need of supply depot
• have marginally less dps than an HMG without any dispersion
• no recoil
• benefits the most from auto aim
• has the best CPU/PG for suits. allowing maximum tanking
• does 110 to shields and 95 to armor giving the best effective damage dealt.
• is undisputed out to 75m
• renders scrambler rifles obsolete due to its accuracy upto 88m
• can take maximum advantage of headshots (due to high dps AND high accuracy)
• have one of the fastest reloads and reload cancels
• extremely good hip fire
• don't suffer from hit detection issues as bad due to the high damage pershot and dps, and low dispersion. in fact it benefits from hit detection the most. (hit detection itself is good, the AR is OP)

the maximum ehp a heavy in this game can haavy is 1591. a militia AR without damage mods, or proficiency does 467 (425 dps * the 1.1 multiplier CCP gave all weapons). (this is 12.5 shots per second. your clip has 48 bullets, you do 1795.2 hp in one clip. it takes you 3.8 seconds to unload a clip)

he actual difference is 29%. But due to hit detection issues with the HMG, its inferior damage to sheilding, higher damage fall of, and obscenely high dispersion (up to 35% disperision) the dps difference between ARs and HMGs become alot closer and on average, there is very little difference in damage output.

difference is AR does its dps out further and with greater accuracy.

by quickly pressing the trigger you can reduce the recoil counter. but this isn't really nessesary as recoil only sets in once you fire 48 bullets.
the HMG, scrambler rifle, MD, flaylock and forguns do not benefit from autoaim. in faact very few weapons benefit from auto aim. but ARs due to their nature and dps equal an i win button with autoaim.

the AR has one of the most balanced CPU/PG fittings for the dps, and advantages it holds. it can practically fit on any suit build.

tests have been done that confirm it does 95% to armor. from 5m - 75m the AR is basically unmatched. vs shotguns in CQB its a 50/50 chance that the AR loses, if the shotgunner misses he is insta-dead because the AR hipfire is better than smg hipfire (cross hairs not fire rate). so, a scout with a shotgun, if he misses an AR hip firing a milita AR can drop him in .8 seconds at the least.
scrambers did receive a mild buff from 1.4. but 467 to the face... its hard to beat that.
lazers are perfectly fine.

You sir are an idiot. Not only did I mention more than one reason why the AR is OP, but:

• when you nerfed the flaylocks, the only claim it was OP was its splash damage
• the MD was its splash damage
• forge gun is its splash damage
• lazer was the fact that i out gunned ARs in lazer range
• shotguns was that it killed Ars in CQC
• HMG was the dps

basically, you just want to nerf everything because everything does what its designed to do.

Stop trolling my thread bro.

the fact that 1 guy with an AR can take on several people using other guns at the sametime alone in their niche is proof enough its OP

It might make me want to reinstall again.

I uninstalled today.

ok, I'll humor your blatant disregard for logic and common sense, in this regard because normally you are logical.

morons like you complained about splash damage when hit detection made splash damage horrible. frame rate issues made the explosives fire from the wrong spot, like missle turrets on dropships still do.

in fact most of the math involving the flaylock was horrible and had nothing to do wth how the flaylock operated.

I mean do you even read what you post? do you think before you write? since chromosome AR noobs like you have nerfed systematically, every gun that was annoying them. flaylocks never had more kills that Ars, nor were they more effective except in CQC were they needed to be, but even then it wasn't a big problem since you can strafe at 100% of your movement speed before 1.4.

yet, you Ar noobs did not like the flaylock, so you had it nerfed for no other reason. same for MD, hmg and the list goes on...

I find it ironic that you should reason that someone wants to nerf something because 'It does what it's designed to do'. That's... what you're doing here.

I appreciated the coments, but I did the research and based on not only the in game experience of most players in cluding myself, the MATH and logic behind the AR proves it is OP.

in the court of law, eye witness testimony, with evidence, and scientific facts generally lead to convictions. the defense for ARs is weak at best and doesn't mitigate its OPness.

C'mon bro. I know your trying to fight it...
But YOU and I BOTH know based on the evidence the AR is OP.

its hard for me to beleive that you don't think its OP. regardless of whether you use AR or not as a logical individual you certainly must be noticing the validity of these arguments.

honestly.. how can you beleive the AR doesn't need a nerf?

its impossible for me to beleive you can't see this as OP

• the first statement was that Aim assist wasn't the problem, bro. You being alliterate isn't my problem, so troll somewhere else.
• commenting on something before you read it is the epitome of stupidity.
• the fact that no one for 14 pages has been able to effectively counter any of the arguments of the OP, is proof enough you b*llshitting and the AR is OP.

there is a nice summary for you, if you don't read this and keep responding there is something wrong with you

included the calculation of the 10% buff of all weapons when i compare them.

but like i said if the threashold of a matter is 20, and weapon A does 10 pers second while weapon B does 8.5 with non of the draw backs of weapon A it is better. why? the time to depletion is 2 seconds for weapon A and 2.3 seconds for weapon B.

2 seconds ~ 2.3 seconds


so if weapon by has zero draw backs, and 3 times the range of weapon A, with a differens of TTK of only .3 seconds. obviously weapon B is better.


As a side, point i specifically countered everones arguments for page. AR guys like you continue to repeat the same arguments most of which i solve in the OP, including the linked references. After i resolve one issue, no one responds to it, and then you bring up unrelated issues.

so. i am not responding to this. please refer to my earlier posts. thank you for your time.

im done. i keep answering, i used this very same dev post a few posts up. it confirms exactly what i said. just read my prior posts.

When I am wrong I admit it, and correct my view. I am not wrong in this case.
If you have not convinced me that the AR is not OP. No one here has.

Earlier in this thread I apologized to someone i insulted.
I corrected my views on giving extreme buffs to the HMG, no that I have had a chance to thoroughly test it wih the new hit detection, it merely lacks accuracy and range.
there were several threads (only 1 of which i started) where I had changed my view point based on sufficient evidence and well constructed arguments.

regardless of whether you were polite or not, the evidences presented here were neither logically, nor compelling.
bringin other weapons into the discussion has no validity here- here we are speaking only about the AR.
TL;DR
the MATH, overall player experience and logic behind my argument pro AR nerf is strong. case and point.

everyone should die to every weapon in its niche. there is no such thing as a weapon being too good at its job.

You see AR guys have a problem where if they don't a gun or its function the QQ OP. flaylocks worked perfectly fine. ARs still had way more kills. in fact at its hight the flaylock still only ranked 6th on the list of guns with kills... still below SMGs.

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the GARs niche is high rate of fire, low damage, low range. So, it should not be insta dropping heavies at 66m range.
So, yeah. it should be good at what its designed to do.

Its not designed to out gun HMGs. so, like I said its OP. no weapon can be too good at what its designed to do. But, you must then look at what its purpose or design is which will balance it.

General purpose, means lack of effectivity in specific areas. so, when niche comes verses general niche should win hands down (in the niche's area of course).

See CCP wolfman's dev blog on the patch for that it spoke about explosives balancing. Again, if you are not going to READ my comments do NOT respond. Several times I mentioned that the RoF was too high. but, at the same time the flaylock was fine. Why?

• People were using proto flaylocks, with 2 side arm damage modifiers, all their kills were close range kills.
• most people who used them were scouts (with the broken speed mechanic), and caldari logistics (have we all forgot about the caldari logis with more ehp than heavies could dream?)

If you used the ARs extended range the flaylocks would have been no problem. but, AR guys just rush.

And com'on man I cant respect anyone in this game who complains about splash damage. splash weapons have a trajectory and hit detection/latency issues affect them the most. or lest we forget when direct hits where impossible because rounds would go right through people.

non splash weapons are literal hit scans that instantly hit any target from any range. and AR hipfire is so accuracte you practically don't have to aim if the enemy is 20m away or closer.
AR is an instant application of dps from 0-88m. starting from 467 maxing out around 670+ dps. which is so easily applied its crazy.

zero respect man, zero respect.