All i se is LOOSERS WHO want all weapons nerfed exept the ones they use...

Get some SP, train your skills and STOP crying.

AR out DPSing Lasers in 40+ meters. That's ridiculous, and I doubt kick will do anything, because the Aim Assist bot will promptly put your cursor right back on your target. There needs to be a DPS nerf, especially now with hit detection and AA making it all too easy to get that full-blown DPS of the AR.

All i se is LOOSERS WHO want all weapons nerfed exept the ones they use...

The AR is fine as it is, the reason you Loose to it is that almost all the veterans in the game is using AR, as it was the only assault weapon in the game when it was released, and most of them are fully trained in it, also they run suits, gear, shields and armor thats all proto, and fully trained. they are fully trained in electronics and engenering so they can fit more and bigger items.
They make a lot of dmg and they are hard to kill...

A few of these vets waited a week to get a weapon after relese and then got the SCR, and bellive me when i say this,
THEY ARE JUST AS TUFF.

And if 2 Caldari shield based vets with the same amount of SP goes at it, 1 using AR, and 2 using SCR
belive me the dude whit the AR will die in 2 sec. and the SCR dude will run of laughing.

I did this more then once, and it happend to me more then once, like i said before im fully trained in both weapons.



Get some SP, train your skills and STOP crying.

wasnt laser nerfed?

buff the std level back to before uprising...

and then ull see alot less ars...

every gun on here got some sort of buff in a certain way...

i havnt noticed much gameplay wise that would mean ars are op everything is pretty much the same...and of course using a heavy suit with an ar means u may survive longer than the players that use a med suit or scout suit with the ar....

over all hmg can kill a player much much faster than an ar on here...

of course the player would have to stand still for it but still the hmg kills really fast when majority of the bullets will hit..

and smg can kill really fast as well..

std and mlt ar may actually possibly be one of the weakest guns.

but its so great because its one of the first weapons available to u..

easily affordable...

most familiar.

and is almost on even ground every where in the map...

the fact is it has its counters and so does every other weapon have counters...

sure zig zag up to a sniper can work but theres also that chance the snipers going to kill u first...

basically stop focusing on one stupid gun class like an idiot.

using math isnt going to mean anything in game..

its not one shotting everything..

like the m1 and core locus nades currently..

any weapon and gun can kill any weapon and gun user...

lets just leave it at this..

mass drivers can kill everything forge guns can kil everything snipers can kill anything ar can kill any thing scramblers can kill anything laser can kill anything everything can kill anything...

all guns were improved how can u till if one gun is the best?

we have pubstomper who want the most op gun available...

the is no most op gun available.

the assault scrambler cant actually over heat..

and it could actually do more damage than an ar...

majority of the weapons r fine...

the ar is a close to mid range weapon that is where it is most effective in combat..

its not that effective at long range but there are variants designed to perform those funtions the tac ar wont destroy in close range its more in the mid to long range class of gun...

the regular scrambler rifle is in this class as well..

the assault scrambler rifle is pretty much the laser version of an assault rifle...

I disagree with your maths. Your solution. And your examples.

However. And please ladies and gentlemen hide your children... i do "kind of" agree with 'D legendary hero's' first 3 lines.

So if i may try my hand at re wording things...

Hit detection has changed how many weapons apply their damage. AR's, SMG's, Scrambler rifles, and HMG's are the prime examples (but not restricted too). However it has changed their effectiveness in different ways.

AR's due to their inherent accuracy are now applying a greater amount of their dmg, at all ranges, and more consistently.

SMG's are now applying a greater amount of dmg, at their optimal, where their dispersion is not so much of an issue. Due also to their high rate of fire, this dmg is applied quickly, which makes them extremely effective at CQ.

SR's are registering hits more often. Dmg output is up. Imperial scramble rifles with complex dmg mods are very very scary.

The HMG is now hitting. At Optimal ranges, the close to full dps can be applied like a huge multi barrelled machine gun should... which is a lot.
However the dispersion is now a major factor in applied dps. At marginally longer ranges the number of bullets hitting drops exponentially. Hitting is "easier", but the amount hitting is less. Especially if the target is not cantered.
In CQ, if you can keep the bead on target, you hit for 100% (please insert moving matrix style jumpy target), if not you do 0.

This is what i have found. No numbers needed, no comparison. I even tried to be un-bias.

Hmm ok.
ASCR can over heat, try to fire 2 clips in a row.
AR does have kick and dispersion try to fire all 60 rounds in to a spot you aim at and you will find that it starts to kick like mule and move up and to the side.
NO no one can take 4-5 shots from a charge sniper rifle.

STOP talking about weapons you know nothing about at max lvl...

I don't have a gigantic problem with the theoretical DPS, it is the grouping of the shots.

If you have used the assualt scrambler since the patch you will see it's accuracy seriously effects its DPS, so delete the sharpshooter skill for ARs and give them some SERIOUS kick and we should be good.

I havent said anything is OP... i think it is too early to start shouting from the hill tops. I AM sure things are unballanced atm... im just trying to figure out the how and why.

I "feel" like heavies and scouts just arent as surviable as they should be. And that wiil directly effect how weapons work too...
Its a bit too soon too be crying wolf yet

All i se is LOOSERS WHO want all weapons nerfed exept the ones they use...

The AR is fine as it is, the reason you Loose to it is that almost all the veterans in the game is using AR, as it was the only assault weapon in the game when it was released, and most of them are fully trained in it, also they run suits, gear, shields and armor thats all proto, and fully trained. they are fully trained in electronics and engenering so they can fit more and bigger items.

They make a lot of dmg and they are hard to kill...

if 2 Caldari shield based vets with the same amount of SP goes at it, 1 using AR, and 2 using SCR
belive me the dude whit the AR will die in 2 sec. and the SCR dude will run of laughing.

Get some SP, train your skills and STOP crying.

When has the AR ever been nerfed?
not, TAC i mean full auto. the slight adjustments in damage always kept the AR on top. you sinking your own ship.

i mean bro do i really need to list all the guns AR noobs have gotten nerfed?....lol

Ascr doesnt have the range or punch of a gallente AR, and due to the higher CPU/PG requirements of scrmblers i doubt they would have the same ehp ever.

scramblers have more recoil, and less range than ARs.

Heavy's SUX now i give you that, but that has nothing to do whit the AR or any other weapon for that matter, im taking down heavy's with my SMG now, i out range and out dmg. them even with my SMG and all other weapons for that matter, it still has nothing to do with the AR.

Heavy's need more range, more HP, more dps. more more more... THEY SUX... (sorry but they do)

I DONT play heavy suits or use heavy weapons so this is NOT why i say this... I only kill them ;)

Militia AR's are OP, but so are the rest of the millitia weapons, they are NO skill weapons and should do almost NO dmg, have ****** range and so on, millitia should NEVER be able to stand up agenst proto gear no matter what..

Militia gear and weapons should be so bad that once a player leaves the Academy, they will NEVER use it ever again...

Heavy's SUX now i give you that, but that has nothing to do whit the AR or any other weapon for that matter, im taking down heavy's with my SMG now, i out range and out dmg. them even with my SMG and all other weapons for that matter, it still has nothing to do with the AR.

Heavy's need more range, more HP, more dps. more more more... THEY SUX... (sorry but they do)

I DONT play heavy suits or use heavy weapons so this is NOT why i say this... I only kill them ;)

Mllitia AR's are OP, but so are the rest of the millitia weapons, they are NO skill weapons and should do almost NO dmg, have ****** range and so on, millitia should NEVER be able to stand up agenst proto gear no matter what..

Millitia gear and weapons should be so bad that once a player leaves the Academy, they will NEVER use it ever again...

Oh i almost forgot ;) to the sniper dude, im a sniper to, im lvl 5 pro lvl 3. Try to use the charge sniper rifle with 1 or 2 complex dmg mod's and i promice you that most players go down in 1 shot ang NO one will suvive 3 shots, you will even be able to take most heavy's in 1 shot if you shoot them in the head...

And then just wait untill you try the thales..... OMG it's a killer, but also rare ;(

The AR doesnt need a damage nerf it needs a range nerf, the AR is supposed to have the HIGH DPS - LOW RANGE so if an AR user can close ground on you, you should consider yourself dead.

Lowering its DPS to 350 means that its damage would have to be increased while its ROF is decreased, or increase the ROF while nerfing the damage, if none of these are done every other weapon would need to have its DPS lowered or the AR would just become the most UP gun in the game.

The AR should work similar to how the Blaster tanks and Rail tanks work, at long rangers the Rail tank will obliterate a Blaster tank due to how its range exceeds the range of the Blaster, but at close ranges the Rail tank has no way of competing with the Blaster tank in damage.

Technically for all this to work, it would mean the AUTO ARs would need their range nerfed, the Breach ARs keep their current range and the TAC ARs have their range slightly higher than the breach. At the same time hip fire dispersion would increase with the range, while recoil would decrease with longer range. After this every other rifle weapon, would have a low DPS, high damage per shot profile. For example the Caldari rail rifle, the longest range assault rifle, would have the lowest DPS but the highest damage per shot, the most hip fire dispersion but the least amount of recoil and of course the longest range.

as long as it gets some kind of nerf. it has too much already with little drawbacks to it