the Assault Scr is a LVL 4 weapon, that does 120 to shields and 80 to armor so finishing off enemies at range is not its forte. with 3 times the kick, and greater muzzle flash it isn't exactly the most accurate gun either. it overheats as well. At range where more bullets will be needed to done targets this becomes an issue.

Scr have better worse CPU/PG fitting requirements than ARs making tanking and using damage mods harder.

also, comparing damage to shields at range and comparing a miltia AR that does 110/95 to shields armor to an ADV AScr that does 120/80 to shields armor is misleading.

the Ascr does 444.12 dps
the milita AR does 467 dps.

why does a milita AR have greater dps than an Ascr.

why does the Ascr have greater damage fall off over range than a milita AR?

Food for thought.. Which (be honest) would you rather face

1) A Duvolle AR at 65 Meters

Or

2) A Boundless HMG at 25 meters

Personally? A. I'm more scared of an AR outside it's optimal than I am of an HMG inside it's optimal. And there's a real problem with that.

'Nuff said.

not only did I counter all your arguments 8 pages ago. but i thoroughly explained that the 10% bonus given all weapons after uprising when the HMG got its damage per shot increased from 12 to 18, applied to all weapons at that time.

all weapons released after that did not get this bonus.

so yes 425 * 1.1 = 467.
learn basic math bro, stay in school.

in addition, your videos hardly prove much. there were no enemies. but what the second one did prove is that the side to side, and up and down recoil on the scrambler is greater than that of the AR.

you still failed to explain how a milita grade AR should do 71% of an HMGs dps, with non of the drawbacks.
you have failed to explain how 3 seconds TTK for a heavy with proto shields and armor using a milita AR is balanced.
you have failed.

your arguments about the CPU/PG are baseless because PG/CPU can be reduced on the AR as well. face the facts. Go to the dust fitting tool and tell me you can't fit more on a suit with a GEK than on a suit with an Assault scrambler.

Your fail in this D Legend is so bad I dont even know where to begin...but lets start here.

34 is the dmg that the militia AR does and this includes the 10% damage bonus that all weapons received months ago. They are built into the actual stats now so you cant go arbitrarily adding 10% dmg bonus because you like to skew your numbers (BTW if you give the militia AR a 10% dmg then why not the ASCR in your numbers? LOL logic). You should not diss other people in math when they have it correct because they have all of the information. You made an assumption and it caused your numbers to be skewed incorrectly

CPU/PG is just different. Its just changes the fittings around a little bit. So people who have ASCR have a little harder time armor tanking than people who use the AR.

3x recoil? Have you used the weapon at all? There is NO recoil. Literally i can empty the entire mag and it will not climb 1 millimeter on the screen. It does have some side to side recoil but so does the AR...in fact the AR and the ASCR side to side recoil are virtually identical but you have to put 1.5 mill extra SP into the AR to get that identical looking recoil. AR does have an upwards traveling recoil so emptying a mag will have you looking alot higher than where you started.

Problem.....

The Reg AR is supposed to be the gallente version. THis means its supposed to be lower range with high dmg and high fire rate. The Burst is supposed to be better at medium ranged with high ROF and decent dmg/accuracy, Breach is supposed to be long range with low ROF ok dmg, and tact (scrambler) is supposed to be long range (not quite as long as breach) with high dmg and ok ROF

The problem is #1 CCP has not balanced them according to what they said they want from these weapons.

AR = Gallente
Burst = Minmatar
Tact = Amarr
Breach = Caldari

That is what its supposed to be. Honestly at this point I dont think CCP has a clue of what they will do to balance out the rifles for their racial specific areas they are wanting.

I used math so... yeah.


the fact that ARs are pretty much the only weapon used in PC proves more than enough.

I did with 1arm. the facts hold true. but how about this since a militia AR can do everything i mentioned how about a duvolle?

None of this even matters.

PC is played by a minority. Dust is bleeding players pretty substantially. This is partly due to the fact that, in the game most players actually see, the AR is stupidly easy and definitely OP.

That's pretty much the long and short of it. AR 514 needs to end if Dust is to succeed.

It doesn't outgun HMGs, in their range.
And it doesn't insta-drop heavies at 66m. At that range, the DPS of a triple damage modded, high proficiency Balac's is less than 300 - if all of those shots land. Even militia assaults have more than that.



The flaylock does not have a trajectory. It flies straight and explodes after approximately sixty metres.
Direct hits weren't a concern when splash damage did almost the same damage as a direct hit.

I'm not really sure how something being accurate means you don't have to aim it - of course you still have to aim it, you're just more likely to hit with it if you aim it properly. Oh, and a six metre wide explosion requires much less aiming than a hitscan weapon.

The optimal range of the AR is 40m. After that the damage drops severely.
So no, it's not as simple as instantly applying that DPS at those ranges. At 88m the damage is negligible and if you get killed by it you deserved it or were wearing a scout suit. That DPS is not 'so easily applied its crazy' at that range, not even close. And neither is it anywhere near those figures you quoted.

I have zero respect for you either if you need a six metre wide explosion to hit anything within 60m.