What's wrong with: [Standard Aim Assist] the existing system that is in-line with existing AAs in the industry. This is only available in pub matches. [Weak Aim Assist] Reduced version of Standard AA, no (or almost no) magnetism. This mode is available in all game modes and grants a 2% bonus to SP gain. And [No Aim Assist] which is available everywhere and grants a 10% SP boost?

Also, reducing all weapon damage by 10% will help vets, since fights will be a bit longer and reward intelligent module choices more and allow for better tactics.

I am just giving them a list of things to see if its over toned as one could put it and might need toning down or that what is happening on the field is not what they're intending ect ect. I'm not trying to get rid of it just alleviate some of the worst cases where the AA might be doing more harm than good.

It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not.

Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it!

We liked it before!

That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot!

It's probably been said many times but extreme accuracy at extreme range plays h*ll with the balance at the longer end of things. Subjectively it seems easier to be picked off while sniping at what used to be a relatively safe distance. I hope that isn't by design.

I worry that the commercialization efforts by the hired gun might have to be at the expense of the role I prefer.

its simple; 99% of you happy, satisfied and keen with the new AA system are people that before 1.4 weren't that good in aiming and killing.

When I play football in the real world against real people, I don't get to have tackle assist. When I play paintball against real people, I don't get aim assist. When I play a game against real people, I want to play against people, not against aim-bots.

I've not heard this suggestion yet and If CCP were able to implement it I would support it if it gave you an increase to your weekly cap. But I still say no magnatism, do you really want to play a competitive fps where the game aims for you (even if it's in a small way)?

I can very easily explain that 6+ kdr is down to luck!!

Maybe if they'd done a bullet magnet like in Halo, where you don't see your aim changing and it happens so fast you just assume the bullets that hit your target were actually aimed at it, people wouldn't be so ragey

I can very easily explain that 6+ kdr is down to luck!! Have you heard of the lucjy particle theory? The theory dictates that so long as a subject s not at absolute zero, anything can happen!! You can but a beaker of water in room tempreture and leave it there, it will then procede to evaporate, it happens so slowly kt would take a good month or even considerably longer before 25ml beaker empties!! But it happens because a particle gets lucky, statistically it will happen rarely or even almost never, but by the fact there are so many opportunities for it too happen!!

But I digrese, I dont see how using a fully automatic weapon that deals 360dps requires skill, and if people who claim to have skill actually have it, then why is it such a bother? Yes I agree AA needs toning down, a little, I dont agree with the principle that it move your reticule for you, but if you continue to accuse "aimbot" of being game breaking, then no amount of logical arguments are going to convince you otherwise!!

But answer me this,
Should we have aim assist, why?
Is it the problem with the aim assist or is possible it more than just 1 factor?
Do you believe whole heartly that having aim assist is breaking or ruining the game for everyone or just for vets?
Should we not do our best to cater for as many people as possible?

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Proceeds to give an explanation so convoluted the Time Cube guy offers him an honorary degree in crazy.

This thread is filled with the highest quotient of entitled gold-star coveting whining I've ever seen. Why do any of you even play a game where other people can kill you if all you want is to be rewarded for the bare minimum of effort?

I content myself with the fact that the PS3 is the cocoon in which Dust is currently gestating in, and that most of you whiners will have moved on to the next FOTM when it finally hatches and moves onto it's long term platform.

Sorry I didn't really mean to say "AR" and the whole 6kd thing. I was just in the heat of my typing spree.

As for your q's
1. No we shouldn't have AA. Because it takes away the amount of skill required to play this tracking shooter.
2. It probably is more than 2 factors. Strafing got lowered again so ppl can't strafe as fast anymore, as well as hd got better. However I do believe AA is a problem.
3.Id say it ruins it more so for vets simply because we have been playing this game with AA off for such a long time.
4. No we shouldn't cater ppl. This is the eve universe. If any catering should happen, it should be to make matchmaking better. Or allow new players to stay in academy longer.

I have had enough reading about AA (Aim Assist) and the crying, stupid videos and the things that CCP should do with the AA. I like the AA, in fact I love it! It's the first time that Dust become something enjoyable for me and my friends! My friend even start playing it again, all of them quit the game after the first attempts, now they are back and are something like curious what Dust will become next and about the potential.

You guys seems to forget something very important here! This is a PS3 game that only support using moue and keyboard. Not one is forcing you to do so, there is no rule that says "you have to play FPS this way" . This is not e-sports, this game is being played from sofas, easy chairs, in the living room more lying then really sitting. This is not a PC game and stop making it to your personal counter-strike-in-space! If you like to have competitive gaming then get the f*ck out and play quake.

There is no challenge in killing people using a Kb/M but it is hard to do so with a DS3 from a sofa when the TV is meters away! Do you ever wonder why Dust only have so little people playing? Because the people who are trying it, are getting killed without a chance and rage quit it. They leave it for other FPS. Playing with a DS3 against Kb/M is a joke! I try it once, I build up my PS3 next to my PC during the jita burn event, where we have to wait out the timer after killing freighters. Seeing the advantages I still took the PS3 back in the living room where I can sit more comfortable, drinking some beer at lazy Saturdays.
Aim assist for everybody! You can use it to! If you are playing with Kb/M then you should remember that the average gamer is not sitting in front of the monitor and a desk. Do I want the Kb/M support to be gone? No. CCP can keep it to satisfy the needs of people the way AA is satisfying me.

Aim Assist even have some huge advantages, you just need to open your eyes! I hope that CCP keep the aim assist, even if this means that they lose some hardcore nerds, let them go CCP, you will find more pleasant people out there.

The Aim Assist is even good for the hardcore players. With the AA more people are being attracted to Dust. More people means a bigger pool of players and a bigger pool of skill levels/heights (niveau). The AA is not the end of a line, it is a support. We still have room to progress our skills. A player who manage to aim and place the gun already pointed at the right sport will win the fight against a player who is following his opponent while aiming.

Before you getting started to tell me how stupid I am and that I should feel bad and that it's a miracle that I'm even alive, try to think about that the difference between the needs of a PC gamer and a console gamer.

It's just how HD and AA have lowered TTKs to the point of destroying Regen and speed tanking.

Precisely, I dont think AA is too much of an issue, but what we aren't happy about is how quickly you drop a guh with a full auto weapon!!

Wouldn't removing the 10% damage buff go a long ways towards resolving this issue?

This is not a PC game and stop making it to your personal counter-strike-in-space! If you like to have competitive gaming then get the f*ck out and play quake.

Even though DS3 have a physical disadvantage (and hush on this "KB/M simulating the DS3" nonsense...yea, thats how it was...hence the rotation speed limitations the mouse had prior to 1.4), you still want the entire cake dont ya?

You people seem to have forgotten they emulated the DS3, by putting a rotation speed limiter on the mouse.

They removed that in 1.4.

KB/M are completely unobstructed as if it was unreal tourmanent 2004 now.

Contend with the AA (aye, its a bit strong atm....but i guess you think thats wrong even though you were using a KB/M against DS3 users without a reliable AA), or remove both AA and KB/M from Dust because neither belong on this console FPS.

M/KB doesn't allow raw input. So your point is moot. I'm a M/KB user on most FPS that are compatible but favor controller here because M/KB is absolutely crap right now. It's not about who has the advantage with what interface they prefer, it's about a series of hot fixes that were put in place to compensate for issues that have been resolved. End of story.

Okay. 1.5 will have raw input.
I'll believe that when I see it. 1.4 was supposed to have raw input, didn't work out so well.


All PC FPS games are compatible with KB/M. Tell me one other console FPS game that supports KB/M to make me believe you had a point in telling me what control type you prefer to use.
Unreal on PS3 supports m/kb. And there are dozens of PC games where you can use pad if you want.


DS3 was absolutely crap for months while KB/M was easy and accepted by most to use.
The mouse has been awful for literally months now. I'm just recently seeing the game in HD again after playing with it at 480 since that slightly helped the mouse not feel as floaty. The mouse has never felt quite right in this game. But with every release we're told it'll be fixed, and they somehow manage to make it worse.

Okay. 1.5 will have raw input.

All PC FPS games are compatible with KB/M. Tell me one other console FPS game that supports KB/M to make me believe you had a point in telling me what control type you prefer to use.

DS3 was absolutely crap for months while KB/M was easy and accepted by most to use.

What did they hotfix to compensate for an issue that you solely thought was resolved? I'm not able to predict your woes.

Not many PS3 games are compatible, but there's ways around it through emulation. CS supports it though. Only reason why I brought it up was to eliminate any artful dodgers from trying to label me as an "evil mouse user" or whatever strawman label that's going around lately.

What game was KB/M easy to use? Sure as hell wasn't Dust unless you're talking about Chromosome.

Check a few posts back. They implemented the 10% damage increase on weapons to compensate for the aiming issues after the first week of uprising. That's only one hot fix that we know of. I'll bet that they also tweaked hit boxes and weapon dispersion as well. Right now, hitting you mark is almost too easy. I've even seen times where I'm landing hits with my MD that I know I shouldn't have. Even being off center with a rifle has the same effect. Maybe it's lag or hit box latency or I just don't know, but it needs to be looked into.

When I play football in the real world against real people, I don't get to have tackle assist. When I play paintball against real people, I don't get aim assist. When I play a game against real people, I want to play against people, not against aim-bots.

I don't understand the argument "AA is needed to balance out kbm"

Honestly I don't understand it. I get that kbm might have more precise aiming.. But ds3 can achieve that.

You feel its physically identical using thumbs to tilt sticks in different directions, opposed to a hand making precise fluid motions with the flick of a wrist?

With that logic, I suppose when doing pushups its easier to simply push the earth away from you.