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meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 274	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:31:00 - [1] - Quote I have had enough reading about AA (Aim Assist) and the crying, stupid videos and the things that CCP should do with the AA. I like the AA, in fact I love it! It's the first time that Dust become something enjoyable for me and my friends! My friend even start playing it again, all of them quit the game after the first attempts, now they are back and are something like curious what Dust will become next and about the potential. You guys seems to forget something very important here! This is a PS3 game that only support using moue and keyboard. Not one is forcing you to do so, there is no rule that says "you have to play FPS this way" . This is not e-sports, this game is being played from sofas, easy chairs, in the living room more lying then really sitting. This is not a PC game and stop making it to your personal counter-strike-in-space! If you like to have competitive gaming then get the f*ck out and play quake. There is no challenge in killing people using a Kb/M but it is hard to do so with a DS3 from a sofa when the TV is meters away! Do you ever wonder why Dust only have so little people playing? Because the people who are trying it, are getting killed without a chance and rage quit it. They leave it for other FPS. Playing with a DS3 against Kb/M is a joke! I try it once, I build up my PS3 next to my PC during the jita burn event, where we have to wait out the timer after killing freighters. Seeing the advantages I still took the PS3 back in the living room where I can sit more comfortable, drinking some beer at lazy Saturdays. Aim assist for everybody! You can use it to! If you are playing with Kb/M then you should remember that the average gamer is not sitting in front of the monitor and a desk. Do I want the Kb/M support to be gone? No. CCP can keep it to satisfy the needs of people the way AA is satisfying me. Aim Assist even have some huge advantages, you just need to open your eyes! I hope that CCP keep the aim assist, even if this means that they lose some hardcore nerds, let them go CCP, you will find more pleasant people out there. The Aim Assist is even good for the hardcore players. With the AA more people are being attracted to Dust. More people means a bigger pool of players and a bigger pool of skill levels/heights (niveau). The AA is not the end of a line, it is a support. We still have room to progress our skills. A player who manage to aim and place the gun already pointed at the right sport will win the fight against a player who is following his opponent while aiming. Before you getting started to tell me how stupid I am and that I should feel bad and that it's a miracle that I'm even alive, try to think about that the difference between the needs of a PC gamer and a console gamer.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 278	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:16:00 - [2] - Quote Look at this videos from other shooters from console, some of them are even more dramatic then in Dust. In a Shooter with vehicles and other variable the aim assist needs to be stronger to compensate. In Dust we have even Kb/M user and to compensate THAT, you need to have a even stronger aim assist, or even a auto aim. Here some Videos. Battlefield 3 http://youtu.be/r9dLKS6Ndcs Borderlands 2 http://youtu.be/k8F04HKUYag CoD Black Ops 2 http://youtu.be/2VHlBwFp3xM Halo 4 (you should see this, you would not believe it otherwise.) http://youtu.be/ShQunpA7LI8 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 http://youtu.be/qaom3cdZv1c
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 286	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:29:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: I like it to. Like I said earlier today. The game is much more user friendly after 1.4 and I-¦m sure we will see more gamers joining us now. Great battles out there at the moment so good stuff CCP! Exactly! The fights have become more dramatic, it's not that the enemy is the only one using aim assist. Today I was using the crouch function , I haven't used it in years, yesterday I was running from cover to cover and again today I need to order a LAV to get out alive (I was very badly cornered). In older installations I would have just run through.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 286	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:39:00 - [4] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: The game is certainly more enjoyable now than it has been in a long long time, I even find myself wanting to log in when i'm playing something else (Prison Architect <3) Yesterday I had to make a hard decision, Dark souls or Dust. I started with Dust but after a couple of beers I needed to switch to Dark souls, even aim assist could not help me at the end ;). But seriously, the game has become more enjoyable like you say.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 292	Posted - 2013.09.07 19:09:00 - [5] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe. Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central. You and your like have no power here! If CCP wants to earn $$ they need more people. Welcome to the world of console gaming Beeeees.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 293	Posted - 2013.09.07 19:34:00 - [6] - Quote DootDoot wrote: Aim assist done well every pro and Vet turns off because it mess's with their input... regardless ds3 or M/KB that is fact... This aim assist isnt an aim assist it aims for you it tracks for you.. that is a huge problem and one that can't be "Tonned" down... I'm not tonned down AA or anything, I love it. It should stay this way. Have you seen the videos? DootDoot wrote: CCP built this AA fundamentally wrong. You can't tone down a system that is wrong it doesnt make sense. Leaving us with a system that everyone in the FPS community will point and laugh at and shy even further away from, or something that has to removed yet again. Wow! Every one? Really? Than that must be some big deal right? Please show me the source. I mean, people are buying millions of millions of CoD and BF copies, knowing that there is a AA that can't be turned off. But if the AA of Dust pisses of so many people then I would like to see them. I have only met a couple in this forums here. Outside of it this forums I heard only positive feedback. (from friends, colleagues and neighbor. But you can't hear them, they are not on the forums. So what now? Listen to the one who screams the loudest? DootDoot wrote: This is why they are so silent. they are trying to figure out a way to salvage this and have people accept a fundamentally broken system. And here I was thinking it is because of the weekend and that they are awaiting a more matter of fact feed back without sentimental value. DootDoot wrote: It sucks but AA has been another waste of time poorly done like every other attempt CCP has done... i don't understand what the surprise is. [/quote] I said it already my circle of acquaintances likes it.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 293	Posted - 2013.09.07 19:46:00 - [7] - Quote Beeeees wrote: meri jin wrote: You and your like have no power here! If CCP wants to earn $$ they need more people. Welcome to the world of console gaming Beeeees. I am a paying customer, buddy. Welcome to the world of customer and service provider relations. Dust is already hardcore enough. We have a strong death punishment, we have the backstabbing corp and alliance philosophy from eve, we have the as*hole attitude community, and we definitely don't need to make this game even harder.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 294	Posted - 2013.09.07 19:49:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CCP is silent on the manner because they're in collection mode most likely. I have been giving them points made out by players for things to look out for such as : I hope without manipulation? I hope you mention that there are people who like the AA ;). Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: aim assst sucks, i use a ds3 and i hate aim assist, we have played so long without it why the hell do we need it now? i prefer using actual hand eye cordination skill than just letting some robot track my target for me. You are welcome to turn it of. I will use mine.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 295	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:00:00 - [9] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: meri jin wrote: You are welcome to turn it of. I will use mine. And another one of these "you can turn it of if you don't like it" comments. A chunk of the community is so opposed to it, not because they feel like they're being forced to use something they don't want to, but because they feel that the playing field is all of a sudden overnight totally level. This is an MMO FPS, its not supposed to be a level playing field. I'm not saying that "noobs should gravel at my feet!" but I am saying that noobs should learn to pick their battles, just like the rest of us did. The game instead is holding their hands and telling them that they are amazing and deserve a gold star too. Oh hell, I even remember back on this April Fools day, CCP released that joke video ending with "and now we're going to be introducing a new race that is more casual and noob friendly." Of course I know what you mean buddy. The thing is that AA should have bean there right from the start and should have bean adjusted from the start. Id would feel so dramatically. But it is here and I like it, my buddies like it to. IF the hipfire is not balanced CCP will fix it, I'm sure about that. But I hope they don't touch the rest.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 295	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:08:00 - [10] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: One thing AA has done it's made the game more 'enjoyable' for ppl who can't play the game otherwise. For everyone else it has ruined the competitive aspect of, you know, a competitive FPS. You mean like CoD or BF3? You know, the biggest FPS of all time? They have AA and you can't turn it off, even there is a menu. All you can do if turn it off in the single player.

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 314	Posted - 2013.09.08 10:13:00 - [11] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: meri jin wrote: Dust is already hardcore enough. We have a strong death punishment, we have the backstabbing corp and alliance philosophy from eve, we have the ashole attitude community, and we definitely don't need to make this game even harder. This game is only "hardcore" to those of simple mind. You put yourself over the most people who are playing this and insulting them at the same moment. The exactly kind of community member I just described. Thank you for this live example. I would like to exclude you out of this discussion but I sadly can't. Mossellia Delt wrote:* CoD and Battlefield arnt competitive on consoles, if you think they are, go to a gaming tourney with big prizes, guess what, they dont have the games and if the remote chance they allow it, its the PC version without AA on. seriously? Call of Duty Black ops 2 World Championship 2013. Yes it is the xbox360 Beeeees wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Would this mean that your preference of balls to the wall cutthroat also doesn't matter? My preferences of balls to the wall cutthroat are those of someone who is here to stay no matter what. Isn't this called fanaticism?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 315	Posted - 2013.09.08 10:36:00 - [12] - Quote I admire the passion here in this topic. Sadly some people can't have a discussion without a verbal attacking/getting way to personal and emotional. I think it shows clearly the difference between some player bases here. CCP need to decide with community they like to keep. AA is here to stay. If CCP likes to earn some more money they need more players, they need to show the people why they should invest money in this game. Keeping this game in a niche could work, but it could turn out the other way. This game community will become even more "emotional" and disgust people faster out. As I see it the game (CCP) needs to make a decision, open up for the marked or close and stay in the niche.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 323	Posted - 2013.09.08 11:21:00 - [13] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers? You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!! If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general) Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!! It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not. Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it! We liked it before! That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot! And what about all the people who like it and are not on the forums? The majority of people is not here. Only a very few.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 326	Posted - 2013.09.08 11:48:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: meri jin wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers? You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!! If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general) Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!! It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not. Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it! We liked it before! That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot! And what about all the people who like it and are not on the forums? The majority of people is not here. Only a very few. What about them? I could say the same... What about the people who dislike it and aren't on the forums? The unsatisfied tend more to complain then the pleased costumer to comment about something.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 340	Posted - 2013.09.09 04:42:00 - [15] - Quote Yesterday the matchmaking system had a funny day with me. It throws me in to game where I had organized squads against me. Needless to say that I quit after an hour of getting my ass kicked every-damn-time. But I have experienced something: With AA you still donGÇÖt stand a chance against opponents who are highly organized. With AA I could kill only 5 or 6 Protoassholes and I can oly hope that they were fully proto and expensive as hell. I died more than 15 times per match and killed maybe around 5 to 6 people overall. Well I have no idea what the hell was the matchmaking thinking but the game become instantly no fun at all. Seeing 4 to 6 people rushing in a berry shooting and throwing grenades all over the place really frustrated me. If I would be in my corp squad I would like to be placed against wannabe proto-pub-stomper and ISK farmer, always a pleasure to **** this people up. Sadly they are extremely rich. Well a TL;TR would be, AA is not helping you against highly organized corp squads, you still going to be served.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 351	Posted - 2013.09.09 08:23:00 - [16] - Quote Zlocha wrote: Beeeees wrote: Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe. Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central. EVE universe competitiveness has nothing to do in PvP engagements. It is about brain, tactics and amount of SP your fleet has. - Your fleet commander warping you around and telling you when to press F1 - Or even worse. You assign drones and the fleet commander does everything for you. Where is the individual skill? But that is good. That's why you see 4k people battles and not 40 PRO people battles 1v1 is mostly about t1 frigs where a newbie can excel in 1-3 months. With the AA on better players will still be better than newbies. They have faster reaction i suppose, better tactical awareness, so the AA can only enhance that. What does AA do is that other people can punish your mistakes (not taking cover ex.) more easily. AA flattens the curve between PROs (fast reflexes with brain usage) and those that use the brain but have slightly worse reflexes. ... ... ... Yes and the skill itself to drag the sticks in the right speed, corner to the position of your choice.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 355	Posted - 2013.09.09 11:56:00 - [17] - Quote Beeeees wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: quote DUST 514 is my first console FPS, where is your god now? I cant be newer of a player buddy. I clawed my way through and expect others to do the same. You should definitely try others FPS my friend. I donGÇÖt want so say that you lack experience, but I think that you lack experience. May be this is even a hint for a live lesson, you should always compere and not swallow what others serve you. Others may offer a lot more then you expect.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 358	Posted - 2013.09.09 15:15:00 - [18] - Quote Beeeees wrote: meri jin wrote: You should definitely try others FPS my friend. I donGÇÖt want so say that you lack experience First CONSOLE FPS, brah. Reading comprehension. I can read, you still should go and try for example BF3 to see how controls could be.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 360	Posted - 2013.09.09 15:29:00 - [19] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: This is not a competitive FPS......yes its not anymore because scrubs like you and CCP have destroyed it. I'm proud sadly it is not only me, we have to thank a lot of people especially CCP for making this game fun again.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 360	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:38:00 - [20] - Quote Christian 1996 wrote: Maybe CCP should remove KBM support and take away aim assist. Then all our problems will be solved. Not quit. Other FPS have the AA and need it very much. Without AA this game could drift to a sniper514 or vihicle514. But there is one more thing (I'm sure) we all have noticed but not talk about. With AA people are dieing more often, this way we drain more ISK from the game. There are already extreme rich people out there, like EVE-Online rich. And in EVE the inflation ot the ISK become a bigger problem over the years. CCP is looking and trying to drain the ISK more out of EVE by PLEX, repair, tax stuff you can buy from NPCs and so on. But the ISK is becoming more and more worthless. The was a time you could buy a Dominix for 45 Mil. (in 2011 in Jita) Have you seen the price tags now? ;)

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 361	Posted - 2013.09.10 09:51:00 - [21] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: And Merl Jin you are a one sided idiot a game should never be built around one party the reason your thread is almost ********. Unless that game is built towards a certain play style "Dust 514" more hardcore and competitive you can not weed out certain play groups. So a carebear coming in to a game where isk, skill points, and player skill is everything and then suggesting things like Aim-Assist and catering to the noobs in which CCP pretty much laugh at you for suggesting it is just wrong. I'm not even mad. I see myself as a representative of the ambitious casual gamer. IF and only IF CCP is listening for what I have to say (I feel a little flattered right now), then it is because they are interested in satisfying certain needs of an ambitious casual gamer. GÇ£Why should they do this?GÇ¥ You might as, the answer is that gaming is older now and the average gamer is no longer a little kid or teenager. They are grownups with value that can spend money and donGÇÖt need to ask mommy. CCP want to make money. For this they somehow need to appeal to the mass marked. A little of topic: Did someone just asked himself what an GÇ£ambitious casual gamerGÇ¥ is? Well I count every GÇ£adult gamerGÇ¥ with little time an ambitious casual gamer. An GÇ£adult gamerGÇ¥ is someone who is grown up by playing games. For example someone who has maybe more than ten or even twenty years of gaming experience. It could be someone who is demand a certain quality. It is not necessary the age of the gamer, I have met 16 years old people with more taste and grasp for quality. An adult gamer would chose something that could expand or even enrich his experience. He or she would choose a Darksouls, a Heavy Rain or The Last of Us (just examples here) over another clone of very common letGÇÖs say CoD or Halo. They would scout for new and fresh ideas. This people are more likely to pay for something new and experimental with good writing or a very fresh concept. ItGÇÖs the ripening process of a gamer. You will find mostly the same process by readers for example.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 364	Posted - 2013.09.10 11:18:00 - [22] - Quote I start to belie that there aren't that many people who don't like AA. Whenever I read critic on AA it is always some one from a very small pool of names. In other words, only a little seems to complain, but they do it so loud that is looks like a lot.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 365	Posted - 2013.09.10 11:57:00 - [23] - Quote Beeeees wrote: meri jin wrote: I can read, you still should go and try for example BF3 to see how controls could be. I am not giving EA a single cent. And also meri jin wrote: ambitious casual These 2 terms are mutually exclusive. Either you give a f-¦ck, or you dont. If you do, HTFU. If you dont, stop ruining this game thank you very much. There are tons of casual shooters out there for your liking, why do you feel compelled to **** up that one that tries not to be one of them? You really are a stressful fella. Are you capable to maintain a certain behavior without getting verbal all the time? Do you really think that my influence here is so big? I personally ascribe my contribution to this topic only marginal. The Likes I get on the very first page only shows me that there are more people who are thinking the way I am. And I donGÇÖt believe that casual gamers should disclaim something only due to the lack of time. You still can (you should always!) be quite ambitions in the things you do.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 365	Posted - 2013.09.10 12:04:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah @ Zero Notion, I see Dust as swell as a more strategic shooter and the AA helps it. Before AA one proto person could kill a lot of people / a whole squad by outgearing and outskilling the people. Now a full proto became more like a strategic ace rather than a one man army. To your first question about hip fire: I canGÇÖt tell anything specific. As a Gallente Logi I use AR exclusively and I as good as never using hip fire. I only hip fire when the enemy is surprising me with nova knifes or shotguns and the most time I would lose this clash.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 399	Posted - 2013.09.10 14:28:00 - [25] - Quote Congratulation to you guys. You have found one sentence and took it out of context. We have a nearly 11 Pages discussion here but you can feel free to use my phrase as a manifesto for your war against AA. Please make sure you quote it correctly then. meri jin wrote: ... There is no challenge in killing people using a Kb/M but it is hard to do so with a DS3 from a sofa when the TV is meters away! ... Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1273865#post1273865 Date: 10.09.2013 16:18 But I still hope that some of you understand the meaning behind this sentence. There are two different types of way playing this game and most imported is that there are different input devices. This input devices mostly represent two different communities and philosophies. The right way would be to remove the option to disable / enable AA and enable it from the start. After that completely remove the KB/M support for this is a console game. There is a reason why no other shooter is making the step to allow the use of KB/M. But look at me, I'm not demanding that it should be removed, all I was saying is that this game started to be fun again for me and my friends. Still you can feel free to make fun of my way to play video games, I'm not going to comment this.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 399	Posted - 2013.09.10 15:27:00 - [26] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: ... Translation: We should remove KB/M from the game, but I'm not saying that KB/M should be removed. ... KB/M can stay if you ask me. I'm wouldn't even worrying about it, CCP will not remove it. BTW. friends of me are using KB/M as well on a couch. And there is still no challenge to kill DS3 users using a KB/M you can practice and push how much you like the only challenge would be against other KB/M user. Why don't all the KB/M cry-out-users try to play BF3 on a PC using a controller? Just asking, I mean it's possible... We all know the answer don't we?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 401	Posted - 2013.09.11 06:32:00 - [27] - Quote I would like to know from CCP what the monitor tools are telling them about/size the new and fully functional AA was implemented in 1.4? Dear CCP, maybe you can tell us if the ISK in Dust514 is flouting out or if the deaths are more frequent? Some sheets, graphics, numbers and statistic-**** like you do it for EVE Online sometimes in the DevBlogs. If you canGÇÖt tell us the numbers, can you tell is if the numbers and statistic are developing like you hoped for? I said it several times now, but I gladly repeat myself: I love the new AA and I hope it work as intended.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 404	Posted - 2013.09.11 10:19:00 - [28] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: ... and your right there's like 50k noobs right now downloading dust just specifically because it went aim bot. This would be great news. What Dust needs now is a couple of months a good word-of-mouth advertising and maybe some highlight to advertise this game in a big way. Maybe advertising in TV or other gaming sides, but for this Dust need to show something big, an expansion for example. I think that the people who tried Dust and rage quit are hard to convince to come back, how should they know that the game have improved so much?
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 406	Posted - 2013.09.12 05:23:00 - [29] - Quote a little update at the very end of my first posting
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 408	Posted - 2013.09.12 06:45:00 - [30] - Quote @Flux Raeder. I would not say that AA is over the top right now, have you seen the videos? I mean wow, just wow how hard other AAs are. Some people are claiming that the Hip-fire become overpowered, THAT could be, I don't know. I very rarely use hip fire. Like maybe two times in a match. So if there is some things broken I would not notice it.

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 409	Posted - 2013.09.12 08:27:00 - [31] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: meri jin wrote: @Flux Raeder. I would not say that AA is over the top right now, have you seen the videos? I mean wow, just wow how hard other AAs are. Some people are claiming that the Hip-fire become overpowered, THAT could be, I don't know. I very rarely use hip fire. Like maybe two times in a match. So if there is some things broken I would not notice it. It sounds like you and I have the same ADS game style. I like to test this games quirks when I hear a out them and forced myself to hipfire a lot for two matches, it is inconsistent but occasionally it becomes noticeable (especially when you don't mean to be aiming at a bunch of enemies, you can see it wanting to drag on them) so I guess it would be better if I said "circumstantially over the top". I also always use ADS though and AA seems to be either perfect or completely unnoticeable for that as it does not change my gunplay at all when I use it. Yes it really seams like it. AA hasn't chance my style of ADS gaming as well. But it could be worse. If you haven't, take a look at the Halo4 video on the first page. This is really disturbing.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 411	Posted - 2013.09.12 09:31:00 - [32] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Do you think that players who want to turn their AA-bot off, could be rewarded with more WP? For shooting with weapons affected by AA ofc... AA on: quantity over quality - normal WP AA off: quality over quantity - increased WP It would even things a little bit imho... Knowing this, people would tend to turn their AA off and get more sophisticated and better with muscle memory and fine controls. Would add more meaning for DUST veterans. I would also like to signal who has AA off (with a skull icon?) in front of player names. During battle and on warbarge and on battle character list. I intend on keeping my AA on for some time... You could do it. But on the other hand there is a huge disadvantage. You can purchase impute emulators. This little things are connected to the PS3 and emulate a controller. But instant of using one, you are using KB/M, because they are plugged in to the impute-emulator. The PS3 will think that you use a DS3 but you don't. This way you will get more WP AND have the advantage of a KM/M. It is very sad and it works very well. I know one person using it this thing, mocking him a cheater only makes him feel superior.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 412	Posted - 2013.09.12 10:53:00 - [33] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: AA is not how you make it new player friendly... Proper matchmaking is how you do it. Both.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 412	Posted - 2013.09.12 11:15:00 - [34] - Quote Corum Irsie wrote: All I can say is who cares, I used to have a beef with aim assist but whatever. In my opinion tho, CCP is catering to the lowest common denominator with aim assist. The "new players" who are happy with aim assist are the same people who will play dust for a month or two and then quit (no matter what kind of game it is). These are the people who will play any fps for a month or two and then move on (and buy the next fps in the series the following year when it comes out). Aim assist or no aim assist they would play for a short while and then leave. CCP is however turning off a large number of their long time supporters with aim assist, you know the people who have been here since the beginning (and aim assist is driving them away). So in short CCP is making happy the fps crowd that would have played a month or two and left with or without aim assist. And at the same time they are driving away the people who would have been here for the long haul (you know like the eve crowd, people who would have stuck with the game for years). I have bean here since the closed fan fest beta, and I'm not going anywhere. Please only speak for your self. And when it comes to EVE, I like EVE, I still play it. But I personally think that it is the eve community fault that somethings went very wrong in this game.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 415	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:21:00 - [35] - Quote Tomorrow I will host my 5th BCD (Booze, Controller, Dust) event in my flat. We will be around 6 people. There will be two completely dust noobs, who have never ever heard of Dust and 4 people who are always at BCD. From the four who will come NO ONE is playing Dust in his free time excluded the event. I canGÇÖt wait to see the reactions to 1.4. This is going to be very interesting. CanGÇÖt wait for the feedback! I have other friends who come back to Dust since 1.4 and I hope that this event will infect the others as well :).
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 420	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:53:00 - [36] - Quote meri jin wrote: Tomorrow I will host my 5th BCD (Booze, Controller, Dust) event in my flat. We will be around 6 people. There will be two completely dust noobs, who have never ever heard of Dust and 4 people who are always at BCD. From the four who will come NO ONE is playing Dust in his free time excluded the event. I canGÇÖt wait to see the reactions to 1.4. This is going to be very interesting. CanGÇÖt wait for the feedback! I have other friends who come back to Dust since 1.4 and I hope that this event will infect the others as well :). Well that was surprising. This time I was the only one who used a controller, all the others used KB/M If I asked for the reason the answer was always the same: "You can't hit anything." Well well, as long as this game have two completely different input devices all the talk about "Pros", "Training hard", "competitive", "l2p" and others, are completely bullsh't and invalidated. Now that the AA is gone, all I see are newer players getting beating up so hard that it makes me wonder why they still try. Now to the detailed feed back: -My friends didn't touch the controller even once, not-****'ng-once! And they will not use it as long as there is a KB/M support. -No one is going to play this game in privet, It is still to boring and buggy. -We experienced so many Bugs that I can't even sum them all up, starting with the problem of joining a game as a squad and ending with a matchmaking system that put a noob squad again full proto and corp squads. -My friends are not interested in farming SP and ISK, and that is all to the game right now. -Bad tool-tips and descriptions of most everything, staring with the skills to the weapon attributes. Now that was a clear feed back if you ask me.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 425	Posted - 2013.09.15 16:53:00 - [37] - Quote By the love of God Sir Eos, I would like to agree on some points with you, but please structure your posting a little more.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 425	Posted - 2013.09.16 04:20:00 - [38] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Players who want to get into PC/FW can practice for it by playing in pub matches with the weak aim assist setting (and even receive a small SP boost for doing so). If they've played to the point where they're interested in the higher levels of competition then they're already over the "hump," so to speak. They've probably managed to acquire at least a couple million SP and are seeing their character take shape. At this point they're much less likely to walk away if they find out that FW & PC have weaker AA. I'm pretty confident my proposal would drastically improve new player retention over yours. It would help, but there is still the KB/M problem that I "described" a little
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 426	Posted - 2013.09.16 09:12:00 - [39] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: ... Yes matchmaking is not very good in this game but seriously AA can't be the answer for that problem as AA causes other problems.... Nice statement, but I would avoid using totals, unless you have a proof? Some off topic question: Is CCP even reading this? We are discussing here out asses off and CCP is screwing with the AA around like crazy. Only hearing the opinions of the one who cries the loudest.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 427	Posted - 2013.09.16 12:10:00 - [40] - Quote I made an update, but it is in the second posting, the first is already to full. CCP Logibro wrote: There have been no changes to Aim Assist since Uprising 1.4 was deployed. Locked for rumor mongering. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1305307#post1305307 Sooooooooo I need to apologize, sorry for believing that you did something to the AA CCP.

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 430	Posted - 2013.09.17 04:51:00 - [41] - Quote I think that the AA should have bean there right from the start. Now that it is here Dust need some publicity to lure the gamers back who could not handle the old controls. I see the hope and lite for this game. If you asl me, one or two of this factors should be done before asking the gaming sites to rate this game once again. 1. Adding a more content like all suits, vehicles and weapons, more level, better skill description, better tool tipps, better matchmaking, AA and so on. I call this the core mechanics. 2. PVE. Maybe a single player campaign to teach and prepare the players for the game. I could be build up like the TUT missions in eve. Challenging group PVE with adequate rewards (effort / benefit). 3. A new and solid client for the PS4, with one of the other two points mentioned. There are a lot of people out here who would love to play a persistent FPS which is this hardcore. (Yes yes with AA). Once this game have a positive feed back we would see a lot more new players and with the players a lot of things would chance. For example the matchmaking system. May be the system is already working very fine but the reason for the disaffection is the small pool of active players? Maybe the marked is not open jet because the population could not keep it up and running? Who knows? In the long term this game will desperately need more people to keep the marked up and running. Without the empire population in EVE the marked could not sustain, a lot of people (especially the 0.0 population) don't believe it but without the mission pilots, the miner and industry eve could not work.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 430	Posted - 2013.09.17 06:36:00 - [42] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: wow... alot of comments.... I was gonna add something but im pretty sure it was said 14 pages ago... You should replay, otherwise it would be the same as not going to voting ;).
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 433	Posted - 2013.09.18 06:15:00 - [43] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Sir Eos wrote: ... All kinds of derp... Newbie "Wow! This sniper rifle stabilises almost instantly! I'll invest all my SP here and it'll be beast mode!" 10M SP goes by... Ex-newbie "WTH, CCP. I invested all my SP into sniper rifles and it takes longer to stabilise now than it did when I started! Why not just use free gear?" derp. I'm not sure if I understand this.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 488	Posted - 2013.09.30 07:21:00 - [44] - Quote Kinder hard to read your wall.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 565	Posted - 2013.10.16 07:11:00 - [45] - Quote Stevez WingYip wrote: People need to realize that AA is there ONLY on DS2 controllers. The reason for this is to help balance the DS2 VS KB/M issues. It's DS3. Balance is one reason, but there are others, more mechanic reasons mentioned already somewhere deep in this topic.

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