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Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:22:00 - [31] - Quote meri jin wrote: Dust is already hardcore enough. Says who? meri jin wrote: We have a strong death punishment, No we dont, see pubstomp millionaires meri jin wrote: we have the backstabbing corp and alliance philosophy from eve, No we dont, we-¦ve got a carebear alliance of bupstompers and we-¦ve got the rest. Thats it. meri jin wrote: we have the ashole attitude community, That is true meri jin wrote:* and we definitely don't need to make this game even harder. Harder for whom? This is an exclusively PVP game, the "difficulty" of the game is dictated entirely by the skill of its players.
Scalesdini The Surrogates Of War 185	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:34:00 - [32] - Quote ITT Baddies admit that they're bad and tell the world how much they love the aimbot assist. Now with 33% more atrocious grammar!
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 178	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:45:00 - [33] - Quote meri jin wrote: Beeeees wrote: meri jin wrote: You and your like have no power here! If CCP wants to earn $$ they need more people. Welcome to the world of console gaming Beeeees. I am a paying customer, buddy. Welcome to the world of customer and service provider relations. Dust is already hardcore enough. We have a strong death punishment, we have the backstabbing corp and alliance philosophy from eve, we have the as*hole attitude community, and we definitely don't need to make this game even harder. This game is only "hardcore" to those of simple mind.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 178	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:48:00 - [34] - Quote meri jin wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: One thing AA has done it's made the game more 'enjoyable' for ppl who can't play the game otherwise. For everyone else it has ruined the competitive aspect of, you know, a competitive FPS. You mean like CoD or BF3? You know, the biggest FPS of all time? They have AA and you can't turn it off, even if there is a menu. All you can do, is turn it off for the single player. CoD and Battlefield arnt competitive on consoles, if you think they are, go to a gaming tourney with big prizes, guess what, they dont have the games and if the remote chance they allow it, its the PC version without AA on.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3271	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:49:00 - [35] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central. Would this mean that your preference of balls to the wall cutthroat also doesn't matter?
Thor McStrut Reckoners 171	Posted - 2013.09.07 21:27:00 - [36] - Quote meri jin wrote: Look at this videos from other shooters from console, some of them are even more dramatic then in Dust. In a Shooter with vehicles and other variable the aim assist needs to be stronger to compensate. In Dust we have even Kb/M user and to compensate THAT, you need to have a even stronger aim assist, or even a auto aim. Here some Videos. Battlefield 3 http://youtu.be/r9dLKS6Ndcs Borderlands 2 http://youtu.be/k8F04HKUYag CoD Black Ops 2 http://youtu.be/2VHlBwFp3xM Halo 4 (you should see this, you would not believe it otherwise.) http://youtu.be/ShQunpA7LI8 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 http://youtu.be/qaom3cdZv1c After watching all of these vids, I have a question. What is it about Dust's AA that irritates you the most? Is the magnetism too strong? Is the friction to high? In that BF3 vid, the ADS would bring you on target. That's crazy. Halo 4, the bullets would make contact even if you weren't on target. I never noticed that playing the game, but I pretty much suck at H4 anyway, lol. BO2 seems to have it down. The AA is mostly friction, with little to no magnetism.
J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 93	Posted - 2013.09.07 21:28:00 - [37] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: aim assst sucks, i use a ds3 and i hate aim assist, we have played so long without it why the hell do we need it now? i prefer using actual hand eye cordination skill than just letting some robot track my target for me. One of my concerns about aim assist. we are playing this game without AA since Uprising deployiment. I feel like i have improved my gunplay skills. But now, with AA, i'm not satisfied killing people because i know that is not because my skills, its the AA. That is my main concern. I want to aim at a proto and kill him with my skills. Maybe the AA is not the solution to bring new people to Dust, but CCP NEED to make a proper Tutorial for the new player, explaining how things work, how combat and customization work, butnot with the actual "Pop-up help screen", but idk, with some PvE, or some battles against NPC's before they kick the newbies out of the academy. (i wish i had this idea while i was responding that Survey yesterday). You know, when i play shooter like Killzone or Battlefield, first i beat the single player mode to learn how things work. Maybe this is the probem with Dust, the lack of single player mode or some CO-OP against NPC's. This could help even the Great and organized Corp in order to better train their minions, making and studying strategies and how the roles of logi, heavy, scout and assault really works on the battlefield. I really appreciate the help that CCP is giving with the AA, but this is not the way it should be. Im my opinion, CCP is trying to make Dust feels more like CoD or BF, but they are taking the wrong road. "Praise the Sun, and may the Gods be with you... UMBASA !" - Jeferson, the Ghost of someone.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.09.08 02:12:00 - [38] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Would this mean that your preference of balls to the wall cutthroat also doesn't matter? My preferences of balls to the wall cutthroat are those of someone who is here to stay no matter what. I dont care if the AA is essentialy an aimbot, or how ungodly overpowered the AR is. I am going to whine about ** I dont like on the forums loudly**, but I wont be throwing a tantrum or quit the game because "boo hoo they turned AA on/off, now it sucks." And as history of CCPs financial success shows, these are the people they count on. The balls to the wall cutthroat hardcore nieche of the market.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 218	Posted - 2013.09.08 02:21:00 - [39] - Quote I've been playing shooters on the console for a long time and dust has a pretty unnoticeable aim assist. i stopped playing COD simply because even though you turned off AA it was still there messing up my shots. It seems we are never going to come to an understanding on the issue with AA. I personally am fine where it is. I can barely tell the difference when i have it on or off. The simple fact is game play is better with the better hit detection and the improved aim mechanics. If new people need AA to keep up, then so be it. just learn to move and shoot them quicker.
Flatman22 Myrmidon Syndicate 1	Posted - 2013.09.08 02:41:00 - [40] - Quote When I play football in the real world against real people, I don't get to have tackle assist. When I play paintball against real people, I don't get aim assist. When I play a game against real people, I want to play against people, not against aim-bots.

Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 189	Posted - 2013.09.08 02:55:00 - [41] - Quote Flatman22 wrote: When I play football in the real world against real people, I don't get to have tackle assist. When I play paintball against real people, I don't get aim assist. When I play a game against real people, I want to play against people, not against aim-bots. A thousand ***** times this! Get this man a ***** medal!
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 947	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:02:00 - [42] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: "Cutthroat Central" =/= e-sport What you are calling "e-sport" is regular level play for some. Just because you cant be assed to actually improve your game doesnt mean everyone else has to be put down on your level. See, when you say "competitive" I hear "e-sport". I play just fine IMHO, IDGAF what you think of how I play, I play to have fun and I am satisfied with how I do. Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is? TBH, the only thing here that I am not satisfied with is the fact that we are stuck with a Lobby Shooter when we were promised so much more. Lemme guess, you think that you're one of the great competitive contenders don't you?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 556	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:06:00 - [43] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Beeeees wrote: Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe. Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central. "Cutthroat Central" =/= e-sport The whole of New Eden is a ******* e-sport
SgtDoughnut M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 30	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:08:00 - [44] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Provolonee wrote: ~20k out of millions of ps3 owners, were playing a great f2p shooter. Why so low? They would download it, realize the gunplay was way below the standard for console shooters and they would uninstall and walk away. The number one feedback I got from all of my friends trying it out, was that the aiming was crap and the guns feel like crap to use. Not fun. Go play fallout 3, that game has horrible aiming, but you can pause time and pick your shots so it was ok. COD still has much stronger magnetism but the hide during the ADS animation. Thing about COD they don't hide it fast enough I feel the snap every time I ADS up when I was trying to train on how to quick scope. your talking about the fact that when you go to ADS in cod it literally locks onto the player infront of you till your scope comes up right?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 947	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:09:00 - [45] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Beeeees wrote: Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe. Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central. "Cutthroat Central" =/= e-sport The whole of New Eden is a ******* e-sport bullshit. it isn't an e-sport, it is dystopian, capitalist catharsis, open world PvP too. Don't even try to cite AT as proof of it being an e-sport, AT is a joke and has been since it was rigged a few years back (if not from farther back).
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 318	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:13:00 - [46] - Quote lets just let ccp test this out for them selves.. its not auto aim as far as i can tell... ive barely noticed it when i was first trying it..of course i can actually aim any ways..but id have to test it more for longer ranged engagements.. didnt notice much in close range from it..
Cosgar ParagonX 4960	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:13:00 - [47] - Quote Aim assist is meant to compensate for inconsistent hit detection and allow controllers to compete with M/KB. All the reasons you listed are pointless fluff for you to defend a crutch when hit detection has been fixed, strafing has been nerfed to the point that the movement penalty adjustments on plates are near meaningless, match making is meant to retain new players, and M/KB is based off joystick emulation with no option for raw input. At this point this game takes 0 skill and might as well be converted to an ATB battle system until it's ultimately degraded to turn-based because CCP is listening to the whiners. I'd rather play CoD at this point and I hate COD!
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 189	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:18:00 - [48] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: See, when you say "competitive" I hear "e-sport". Check your ears then. Alaika Arbosa wrote: I play just fine IMHO, Good for you Alaika Arbosa wrote: IDGAF what you think of how I play, You and me both Alaika Arbosa wrote: I play to have fun and I am satisfied with how I do. Then stop getting mad over people that are better than you Alaika Arbosa wrote: Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is? Why should I measure my skill on your scale of satisfaction? And no, I just want a game of glorious conquests and crusades, not a game of half assed L1+R1 spam ad nauseum. I want good players, born from effort and skill, not "good" players, born from "effort" and "skill". "Comrades, I love war!"
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 947	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:21:00 - [49] - Quote lulz you funny I notice that you didn't answer my last question
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 189	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:25:00 - [50] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: lulz you funny I notice that you didn't answer my last question Then you need to check your eyes too. Allow me to point it out for you: Beeeees wrote: And no, I just want a game of glorious conquests and crusades, not a game of half assed L1+R1 spam ad nauseum. I want good players, born from effort and skill, not "good" players, born from "effort" and "skill".

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1824	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:26:00 - [51] - Quote meri jin wrote: Beeeees wrote: meri jin wrote: You and your like have no power here! If CCP wants to earn $$ they need more people. Welcome to the world of console gaming Beeeees. I am a paying customer, buddy. Welcome to the world of customer and service provider relations. Dust is already hardcore enough. We have a strong death punishment, we have the backstabbing corp and alliance philosophy from eve, we have the as*hole attitude community, and we definitely don't need to make this game even harder. Simply because you are too casual of a player for Dust does not give you the right to demand unfit changes. People play this game to get away from easy mode COD meatgrinders, or at least a large amount of the above average players I have played with do.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1824	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:28:00 - [52] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is? This opinion is a cancer.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 947	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:34:00 - [53] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: lulz you funny I notice that you didn't answer my last question Then you need to check your eyes too. Allow me to point it out for you: Beeeees wrote: And no, I just want a game of glorious conquests and crusades, not a game of half assed L1+R1 spam ad nauseum. I want good players, born from effort and skill, not "good" players, born from "effort" and "skill". So you say no and then proceed to describe yes? WTF? AA is an option and it is there, options good, restrictions bad. I have never said that I needed/wanted/used it, though I am betting you assume I do. The impression I get from your description is that you would have it removed so that you can feel better about yourself in this Lobby Shooter which has no "glorious conquests" or "crusades"
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 947	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:35:00 - [54] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is? This opinion is a cancer and a true sign of an entitled, unskilled player. OMG, I spit soda on my monitor with this one lol My, you're just full of yourself aren't you?
Cosgar ParagonX 4960	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:38:00 - [55] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is? This opinion is a cancer and a true sign of an entitled, unskilled player. OMG, I spit soda on my monitor with this one lol My, you're just full of yourself aren't you? I think I understand what he meant: We should always be looking for ways to improve no matter how good we get.
SgtDoughnut M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 32	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:38:00 - [56] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is? This opinion is a cancer and a true sign of an entitled, unskilled player. OMG, I spit soda on my monitor with this one lol My, you're just full of yourself aren't you? no no hes right on that one, you should always be pushing yourself to get better at games, if its your hobby you want to be good at it, if you just want to play casually thats fine but don't expect any hard core gamers to take you seriously if you aren't trying to constantly improve.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1827	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:40:00 - [57] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Why should I have to "improve my game" if I am satisfied with it where it is? This opinion is a cancer and a true sign of an entitled, unskilled player. OMG, I spit soda on my monitor with this one lol My, you're just full of yourself aren't you? I think I understand what he meant: We should always be looking for ways to improve no matter how good we get. Looks like at least some of us have reading comprehension skills.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 190	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:46:00 - [58] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Denial-mode engaged, strawman mode to lvl 3. Buddy, you got rekd, accept it.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 947	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:58:00 - [59] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Denial-mode engaged, strawman mode to lvl 3. Buddy, you got rekd, accept it. You can think what you want, really, IDGAF, you're going to believe whatever delusions you think are popular so you can feel included with the "in-crowd". @Lurchasaurus Sorry if I saw a personal attack and took nothing else from the post. I am aware of the playstyle I've chosen from the start and the only thing preventing me from further developing it is the fact that we are stuck in lobby after lobby with no opportunity for open world, FPS PvP. If we had that option, I'd be able to further develop my playstyle. We don't, therefore I am happy with where I am and will continue to be until I have a proper environment to develop my playstyle. If you think that I am an "entitled and unskilled player" because of this, go ahead, again, IDGAF. If you'll take note, I've been playing less and less, quickly going down the road of Dust Bittervet.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 190	Posted - 2013.09.08 04:02:00 - [60] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: IDGAFx3 in this thread You sure like to talk about your personal feelings. How about you bring some arguments to the table? Hard facts and such. Because an opinion that you cant back up is, you know, a prejudice.



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