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DJINN Marauder
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:33:00 -
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To those saying that AA is a MUST for new players to stay in the game... IT'S NOT!
What is a must is more game modes and a better MATCHMAKING SYSTEM! That way they play with ppl on their level.
AA off is a way to retain all of us who have played with it off and gained skill and aiming since beta. Or start of uprising.
ALSO: AA is not needed to "compete" with kbm. The best players in the game use ds3. And they do just fine. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:47:00 -
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For people that think Kbm rules dust...
Quote:I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend.
"DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel"
Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing"
I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist.
You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist.
That is utterly pathetic.
Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian.
And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players.
Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game.
I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist.
But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:19:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote: Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers?
You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!!
If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general)
Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!!
It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not.
Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it!
We liked it before!
That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot! |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:30:00 -
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meri jin wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers?
You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!!
If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general)
Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!!
It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not. Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it! We liked it before! That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot! And what about all the people who like it and are not on the forums? The majority of people is not here. Only a very few. What about them? I could say the same...
What about the people who dislike it and aren't on the forums? |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:47:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Corum Irsie wrote:Obviously those of us who have been here for any amount of time will adapt to whatever CCP throws at us. In my opinion aim assist that slows the reticle as it aproaces an enemy is fine, aim assist that includes a little friction when the reticle moves across an enemy is fine. I can not however support an aim assist with magnatism, if you need the computer to aim for you I don't know what to say other then get good. CCP all you have to do is get rid of the magnatism associated with aim assist and all will be right with the world once again. What's wrong with: [Standard Aim Assist] the existing system that is in-line with existing AAs in the industry. This is only available in pub matches. [Weak Aim Assist] Reduced version of Standard AA, no (or almost no) magnetism. This mode is available in all game modes and grants a 2% bonus to SP gain. And [No Aim Assist] which is available everywhere and grants a 10% SP boost? Also, reducing all weapon damage by 10% will help vets, since fights will be a bit longer and reward intelligent module choices more and allow for better tactics. That's a pretty good idea. I think it'd be hard one to code though :/ |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:54:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers?
You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!!
If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general)
Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!!
It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not. Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it! We liked it before! That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot! I can very easily explain that 6+ kdr is down to luck!! Have you heard of the lucjy particle theory? The theory dictates that so long as a subject s not at absolute zero, anything can happen!! You can but a beaker of water in room tempreture and leave it there, it will then procede to evaporate, it happens so slowly kt would take a good month or even considerably longer before 25ml beaker empties!! But it happens because a particle gets lucky, statistically it will happen rarely or even almost never, but by the fact there are so many opportunities for it too happen!! But I digrese, I dont see how using a fully automatic weapon that deals 360dps requires skill, and if people who claim to have skill actually have it, then why is it such a bother? Yes I agree AA needs toning down, a little, I dont agree with the principle that it move your reticule for you, but if you continue to accuse "aimbot" of being game breaking, then no amount of logical arguments are going to convince you otherwise!! But answer me this, Should we have aim assist, why? Is it the problem with the aim assist or is possible it more than just 1 factor? Do you believe whole heartly that having aim assist is breaking or ruining the game for everyone or just for vets? Should we not do our best to cater for as many people as possible? Sorry I didn't really mean to say "AR" and the whole 6kd thing. I was just in the heat of my typing spree.
As for your q's 1. No we shouldn't have AA. Because it takes away the amount of skill required to play this tracking shooter. 2. It probably is more than 2 factors. Strafing got lowered again so ppl can't strafe as fast anymore, as well as hd got better. However I do believe AA is a problem. 3.Id say it ruins it more so for vets simply because we have been playing this game with AA off for such a long time. 4. No we shouldn't cater ppl. This is the eve universe. If any catering should happen, it should be to make matchmaking better. Or allow new players to stay in academy longer. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.09 07:13:00 -
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I don't understand the argument "AA is needed to balance out kbm"
Honestly I don't understand it. I get that kbm might have more precise aiming.. But ds3 can achieve that. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.09 07:26:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I don't understand the argument "AA is needed to balance out kbm"
Honestly I don't understand it. I get that kbm might have more precise aiming.. But ds3 can achieve that. You feel its physically identical using thumbs to tilt sticks in different directions, opposed to a hand making precise fluid motions with the flick of a wrist? With that logic, I suppose when doing pushups its easier to simply push the earth away from you. Hmm.. I guess I'm just ignorant. But when it comes to the best players in the game... They all use ds3. At least most of them do. I myself use ds3 and prob would never have a prob outgunning a kbm user.
Edit: however the players I am referring to have been playing since beta. I guess I can't really assume people can become as good as them |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.09 07:36:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I don't understand the argument "AA is needed to balance out kbm"
Honestly I don't understand it. I get that kbm might have more precise aiming.. But ds3 can achieve that. You feel its physically identical using thumbs to tilt sticks in different directions, opposed to a hand making precise fluid motions with the flick of a wrist? or are you saying there isn't an advantage to using a KB/M over a DS3 because the DS3 user can work to achieve the same precision the KB/M user has by default? I see what you mean now. Kbm starts off with the precision a ds3 user might take weeks to achieve. Especially if the game is new to them.
However I don't think that should be used to argue for the kbm removal. :/ |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.09 07:40:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Duran Lex wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I don't understand the argument "AA is needed to balance out kbm"
Honestly I don't understand it. I get that kbm might have more precise aiming.. But ds3 can achieve that. You feel its physically identical using thumbs to tilt sticks in different directions, opposed to a hand making precise fluid motions with the flick of a wrist? With that logic, I suppose when doing pushups its easier to simply push the earth away from you. Hmm.. I guess I'm just ignorant. But when it comes to the best players in the game... They all use ds3. At least most of them do. I myself use ds3 and prob would never have a prob outgunning a kbm user. Wait, you know personally the best people in dust? Thats the only way you could know if they use DS3. The best players in Dust all use genetically engineered hamsters to morph into a controller. See? I can say things and act like they are facts too. Personally in RL no. But if you've been around for a long time like me, you'd learn that all the great players that are here today, were the great players from wayyy back in closed beta. And with a small community like dust. When you're around that long you'll know who most of the good players are.
Example: my corp (not trying to boast) but most of our A Team uses ds3. I'm sure it's the same with any other good corp out there. |
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.12 09:48:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Also, it is painfully ironic how these l33t players go around making doom and gloom threads about how this game is hemorrhaging players and nobody is picking up the game and its all going to fail!!!!!!.... And then go on to make posts demanding that the game be as unfriendly to new and casual players as possible. Do they REALLY not recognize this? Us "l33t" players wanted there to be actual matchmaking. That was the result of the doom threads. Because there was no matchmaking and scrubs got put in against pub stomp squads.
AA is not how you make it new player friendly... Proper matchmaking is how you do it. |
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