Hmm.. I guess I'm just ignorant. But when it comes to the best players in the game... They all use ds3. At least most of them do. I myself use ds3 and prob would never have a prob outgunning a kbm user.

You feel its physically identical using thumbs to tilt sticks in different directions, opposed to a hand making precise fluid motions with the flick of a wrist?

or are you saying there isn't an advantage to using a KB/M over a DS3 because the DS3 user can work to achieve the same precision the KB/M user has by default?

Wait, you know personally the best people in dust?

Thats the only way you could know if they use DS3.

The best players in Dust all use genetically engineered hamsters to morph into a controller.

See? I can say things and act like they are facts too.

I see what you mean now. Kbm starts off with the precision a ds3 user might take weeks to achieve. Especially if the game is new to them.

However I don't think that should be used to argue for the kbm removal. :/

Nemo stated one, but didn't realize they used Magnetism and adhesion aim assiting (sound familiar Nemo?) to make it an even playing field against KB/M.

Aye, i actually was talking about chromosome. Mouse was pretty damn awesome. Wish they would let you change the hotkeys though....that grenade hotkey....

I do remember them doing the 10% increase to help the gameplay, but wasn't it cause of hit detection? ****, i just don't remember. Right now i'll agree the AA is slightly too strong, but to go as far as remove it? i dont see it posing that much of a threat consdering the only problems with the KB/M can be easily fixed as well through hotfixes that are surely coming.

All in all i feel people are blowing things out of proportion simply based on their fear of change.

Personally, I don't care if we have aim assist or not. But the game has to be balanced around its purpose: fair competition between input devices. Right now, there's no point to have it and especially when it's this strong or whatever is going on with how they balanced the game to compensate for previous issues. Also, strafing speeds need to be looked at as well. The new armor movement penalties essentially amount to nothing when you're weighed down by two complex plates when you move laterally.

Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe.

Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central.

EVE universe competitiveness has nothing to do in PvP engagements. It is about brain, tactics and amount of SP your fleet has.
- Your fleet commander warping you around and telling you when to press F1
- Or even worse. You assign drones and the fleet commander does everything for you.
Where is the individual skill? But that is good. That's why you see 4k people battles and not 40 PRO people battles

1v1 is mostly about t1 frigs where a newbie can excel in 1-3 months.

With the AA on better players will still be better than newbies. They have faster reaction i suppose, better tactical awareness, so the AA can only enhance that.
What does AA do is that other people can punish your mistakes (not taking cover ex.) more easily.

AA flattens the curve between PROs (fast reflexes with brain usage) and those that use the brain but have slightly worse reflexes.
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My preferences of balls to the wall cutthroat are those of someone who is here to stay no matter what. I dont care if the AA is essentialy an aimbot, or how ungodly overpowered the AR is.
I am going to whine about **** I dont like on the forums loudly, but I wont be throwing a tantrum or quit the game because "boo hoo they turned AA on/off, now it sucks."

And as history of CCPs financial success shows, these are the people they count on.

The balls to the wall cutthroat hardcore nieche of the market.

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DUST 514 is my first console FPS, where is your god now?
I cant be newer of a player buddy. I clawed my way through and expect others to do the same.

You should definitely try others FPS my friend. I donGÇÖt want so say that you lack experience

First CONSOLE FPS, brah. Reading comprehension.

This is not a competitive FPS......yes its not anymore because scrubs like you and CCP have destroyed it.

I'm proud sadly it is not only me, we have to thank a lot of people especially CCP for making this game fun again.

Maybe CCP should remove KBM support and take away aim assist. Then all our problems will be solved.

And Merl Jin you are a one sided idiot a game should never be built around one party the reason your thread is almost ********. Unless that game is built towards a certain play style "Dust 514" more hardcore and competitive you can not weed out certain play groups. So a carebear coming in to a game where isk, skill points, and player skill is everything and then suggesting things like Aim-Assist and catering to the noobs in which CCP pretty much laugh at you for suggesting it is just wrong.

******sigh******

And people wonder why this game is failing so hardcore with such low player counts. Yes lets take FPS and make it noncompetitive by allowing the computer to do most of the aiming for you.

I am sorry but no. Aim assist (if there even is any at all) should be very very small.....it should never be enough to actually move your cross hair. I can go with lowering your sensitivity slightly when your own target to help you maintain the target but that is the most it should ever be...if the target moves you should have to be forced to follow your target to hit them effectively. Its pathetic the number of likes this person rcved from his post. Whatever happened to the "hardcore" universe of Eve? I have never played a more carebear FPS in my life. This is pretty soon they will just give everyone jet packs that shoot rainbow out of your butts so that you can actually play carebear episodes online.

This is not a competitive FPS......yes its not anymore because scrubs like you and CCP have destroyed it. CCPs original vision was that it would become a major hardcore FPS competitive shooter. Yea they lost that once badly. Why even call it an FPS anymore? Must make it turn based already so that all the Eve kiddies can enjoy their FPS game that doesnt require any handeye coordination skills.

I have had enough reading about AA (Aim Assist) and the crying, stupid videos and the things that CCP should do with the AA. I like the AA, in fact I love it! It's the first time that Dust become something enjoyable for me and my friends! My friend even start playing it again, all of them quit the game after the first attempts, now they are back and are something like curious what Dust will become next and about the potential.

You guys seems to forget something very important here! This is a PS3 game that only support using moue and keyboard. Not one is forcing you to do so, there is no rule that says "you have to play FPS this way" . This is not e-sports, this game is being played from sofas, easy chairs, in the living room more lying then really sitting. This is not a PC game and stop making it to your personal counter-strike-in-space! If you like to have competitive gaming then get the f*ck out and play quake.

There is no challenge in killing people using a Kb/M but it is hard to do so with a DS3 from a sofa when the TV is meters away! Do you ever wonder why Dust only have so little people playing? Because the people who are trying it, are getting killed without a chance and rage quit it. They leave it for other FPS. Playing with a DS3 against Kb/M is a joke! I try it once, I build up my PS3 next to my PC during the jita burn event, where we have to wait out the timer after killing freighters. Seeing the advantages I still took the PS3 back in the living room where I can sit more comfortable, drinking some beer at lazy Saturdays.
Aim assist for everybody! You can use it to! If you are playing with Kb/M then you should remember that the average gamer is not sitting in front of the monitor and a desk. Do I want the Kb/M support to be gone? No. CCP can keep it to satisfy the needs of people the way AA is satisfying me.

Aim Assist even have some huge advantages, you just need to open your eyes! I hope that CCP keep the aim assist, even if this means that they lose some hardcore nerds, let them go CCP, you will find more pleasant people out there.

The Aim Assist is even good for the hardcore players. With the AA more people are being attracted to Dust. More people means a bigger pool of players and a bigger pool of skill levels/heights (niveau). The AA is not the end of a line, it is a support. We still have room to progress our skills. A player who manage to aim and place the gun already pointed at the right sport will win the fight against a player who is following his opponent while aiming.

Before you getting started to tell me how stupid I am and that I should feel bad and that it's a miracle that I'm even alive, try to think about that the difference between the needs of a PC gamer and a console gamer.

I can read, you still should go and try for example BF3 to see how controls could be.

ambitious casual

And people wonder why this game is failing so hardcore with such low player counts. Yes lets take FPS and make it noncompetitive by allowing the computer to do most of the aiming for you.

I am sorry but no. Aim assist (if there even is any at all) should be very very small.....it should never be enough to actually move your cross hair. I can go with lowering your sensitivity slightly when your own target to help you maintain the target but that is the most it should ever be...if the target moves you should have to be forced to follow your target to hit them effectively. Its pathetic the number of likes this person rcved from his post. Whatever happened to the "hardcore" universe of Eve? I have never played a more carebear FPS in my life. This is pretty soon they will just give everyone jet packs that shoot rainbow out of your butts so that you can actually play carebear episodes online.

This is not a competitive FPS......yes its not anymore because scrubs like you and CCP have destroyed it. CCPs original vision was that it would become a major hardcore FPS competitive shooter. Yea they lost that once badly. Why even call it an FPS anymore? Must make it turn based already so that all the Eve kiddies can enjoy their FPS game that doesnt require any handeye coordination skills.

It was failing WITHOUT aim assist. People would try the game, not be able to kill anything and uninstall. If No AA was so f*cking fantastic, where were all of the HARDCORE FPS console fans out there? A: they were probably all playing DUST (and there's only a few thousand of you). That's NOT A LARGE ENOUGH PLAYERBASE to keep DUST going.


Spastically strafing in bizarre directions while being able to hit other people doing the same isn't fun gameplay to a lot of people. It's f*cking stupid to put it bluntly, and nothing like real combat. You can think this is hardcore, or the pinnacle of FPS gameplay, but when one dude can run into a squad of 4 people and take them all down because the controls are such that it's too hard for everyone to hit him, then the game is broken. This would never happen in real life, being "hardcore" to me means having engagements play out more like they would if DUST were real: I.e. no one would ever charge into a group of 4 guys, and if they did they would be shot and killed (even if he was wearing a high-end suit).