People play this game to get away from easy mode COD meatgrinders, or at least a large amount of the above average players I have played with do.

[quote=Vell0cet]Ill make you a deal, if you and "the below average player [you] have played with" all buy $10,000 of game packs every month to keep DUST finantially viable/sustainable, then we-¦ll get CCP to add a wallhack to your aimbot, so you can run around feeling good about yourselves, using AA to rack up your K/D ratio.

Oh and one more thing:
This is a ******* computer game, you are supposed to feel good about yourself when you play it.

Having a computer aim for you isnt making the controls feel better. it is taking the controls away. before you get all huffy puffy why not pull your head out of your as.s and see the auto tracking aim assist for what it really is. no one is asking for aim assist to be taken away, it simply needs to be toned down to it doesnt aim for you.

The biggest problem with you people is you think making the game an instant gratification, no skills required game like COD will miraculously fix this game and make people happy. I am sick of COD, it has ruined a genre of gaming, and it breeds players with bad values and a horrible understanding of skill and what constitutes it.

No one gets into a freaking titan in EVE after playing for one week. I hold Dust higher than the other FPSs because it has things that you can actually earn and compensates me for my time investment. CCP will be forsaking their most hardcore fans if they listen to your drivel and the one single game we can still hope for to break the mold and get out of the easy mode gutter will be ruined.

I hope CCP reads this, I am tired of people coming on here demanding things be layed out on a red carpet for them simply because they dont feel they should have to put in as much effort as everyone else has because it is incomvenient.

HTFU

Appealing to the top 10% is the reason CCP still exists. See EVE.

This game does not need an inflow of noskill-CoDshitters that will be gone the second the new CoD is released.
We need more content, once we got proper deployables and at least some variety in dropsuits the people will flow in because "wow what an awesome game", and not because "HAY BRUV CHECK OUT COD:BLOPS 514".

Dust is one of the few games now where skill in aiming is actually demanded and rewarded. Well, at least until 1.4.

Obviously those of us who have been here for any amount of time will adapt to whatever CCP throws at us. In my opinion aim assist that slows the reticle as it aproaces an enemy is fine, aim assist that includes a little friction when the reticle moves across an enemy is fine. I can not however support an aim assist with magnatism, if you need the computer to aim for you I don't know what to say other then get good. CCP all you have to do is get rid of the magnatism associated with aim assist and all will be right with the world once again.

I've not heard this suggestion yet and If CCP were able to implement it I would support it if it gave you an increase to your weekly cap. But I still say no magnatism, do you really want to play a competitive fps where the game aims for you (even if it's in a small way)?

Precisely, I dont think AA is too much of an issue, but what we aren't happy about is how quickly you drop a guh with a full auto weapon!!

And people wonder why this game is failing so hardcore with such low player counts. Yes lets take FPS and make it noncompetitive by allowing the computer to do most of the aiming for you.

I am sorry but no. Aim assist (if there even is any at all) should be very very small.....it should never be enough to actually move your cross hair. I can go with lowering your sensitivity slightly when your own target to help you maintain the target but that is the most it should ever be...if the target moves you should have to be forced to follow your target to hit them effectively. Its pathetic the number of likes this person rcved from his post. Whatever happened to the "hardcore" universe of Eve? I have never played a more carebear FPS in my life. This is pretty soon they will just give everyone jet packs that shoot rainbow out of your butts so that you can actually play carebear episodes online.

This is not a competitive FPS......yes its not anymore because scrubs like you and CCP have destroyed it. CCPs original vision was that it would become a major hardcore FPS competitive shooter. Yea they lost that once badly. Why even call it an FPS anymore? Must make it turn based already so that all the Eve kiddies can enjoy their FPS game that doesnt require any handeye coordination skills.

There are lots of reasons Uprising turned people off, and most of those were entirely technical, like hit detection, physics glitches, incomplete content, pick one or all.

This has nothing to do with AA or its abscense.

And what "a lot of people" consider fun, they should please live out in games that are specifically tailored to their needs. Like CoD or Battlefield or any other L1+R1-shooter.

Which is a technical problem, the controls were not working as intended. The dislike was not due to dislike itself, but due to bugs and the overall controlls being all over the place.

This is true for any economic model out there. However as it is the current AUR economy relies on people willing to do better faster, not to be awesome in an instant. Which the majority of paying F2P players in other games wantsGǪ.

...The players I am trashing are the players that wont stay with the game no matter what. They wont pay a single cent, aside from the proprietary wrong first purchase, as they realize that payed for gear gives them no advantage whatsoever, because they are niether knowledgable nor interested in the inherent game mechanics of DUST.

The skill system as it is is a joke. Its hardly much more complex than that of the average CoD clone.

The control mechanics are familiar to everyone who ever got a controller in his hands.

AA is a core game mechanic, and CoD clones are based around it entirely. From the first brick to the prestige rank calculation the games are based around the auto aim. You are not playing a game with AA in it, you are playing an AA application with a game around it.

Dust is not that, nor should it be.

Played a few games and it looks like they made the necessary tweaks to make aim assist assist your aim instead of full out auto aim. Hope everyone that got to play above their weight class can get to that point again through practice and effort. Also, learn to strafe. Footwork in Dust 514 is as bad as a country club in an 80's National Lampoon movie.

God forbid you actually have to aim yourself in a FPS.

How will people practice and perfect their gun game if the AA changes depending on the type of match?

Aim your damned self, all day, every day, and this problem goes away.

You're violating the KISS principle, and you'll violate it further every time someone asks a question about your proposed system to solve a non problem.

Simplest fix is to remove auto aim and make DS3 and mouse fully configurable. People will learn how to aim.

To be clear, my view is that the AA problem is that AA is even in this game. It is a crutch, and many players in this game and others do not need it, and do not want it, and after it's gone, won't even miss it. There are people in PC games that can't aim to save their lives, and there is nothing to save them except their investment in themselves. Yet PC FPS servers are still crowded with people of varying skill level and seriousness, and there is no rage quitting because people who can't aim don't have an Aim Assist (unless they are CHEATING, to put it in perspective...).

Your proposal provides for an inconsistent game experience, and as newbies make their way into planetary conquest they will hit a hard wall, and the only way to get a shot at that wall again is to somehow be invited back into a PC. They will get tired of getting stomped and getting kicked from pc due to bad performance, and now you introduce the danger of having an even bigger segregated community of pubbers vs PC participants.

As for the wall of sliders, that can be hidden behind an "advanced" tab. The immediately available preset profiles will be:

Profile B (Battlefield)
Profile C (Cod)
Profile X (Chromosome)
Profile U (Uprising)

This is much more simple from a programming and game design perspective, as all they are doing is exposing the variables they currently have hard-coded into the game, and will prevent people from having to relearn the controls every patch. This, along with tiered battles, is a much better application of Progressive Disclosure, without changing the entire game to placate people who can't aim.

Your focus is still on retaining players at the cost of fundamentally changing gun-play in this game, and reducing the point of being skilled.

Is that a smart trade?

What happens to that middle-of-the-road player who has a slightly higher level of marksmanship to his competition? His skill advantage will be all but erased by AA. Where should his rewards for practice be eroded to placate some lazy entitled whiner?

So what if some skilless noob rage quits after being stomped? Screw that guy, nothing will ever make him happy. Tons of games on PC have no aim assist and those games are healthily populated by people of all skill levels.

This kind of crutch isn't something that belongs in any competitive game, let alone something in the Eve universe. Eve is hard game by video game standards, and I think it's ok if Dust is "hard" by "console" standards.