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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 11:31:00 -
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I have had enough reading about AA (Aim Assist) and the crying, stupid videos and the things that CCP should do with the AA. I like the AA, in fact I love it! It's the first time that Dust become something enjoyable for me and my friends! My friend even start playing it again, all of them quit the game after the first attempts, now they are back and are something like curious what Dust will become next and about the potential.
You guys seems to forget something very important here! This is a PS3 game that only support using moue and keyboard. Not one is forcing you to do so, there is no rule that says "you have to play FPS this way" . This is not e-sports, this game is being played from sofas, easy chairs, in the living room more lying then really sitting. This is not a PC game and stop making it to your personal counter-strike-in-space! If you like to have competitive gaming then get the f*ck out and play quake.
There is no challenge in killing people using a Kb/M but it is hard to do so with a DS3 from a sofa when the TV is meters away! Do you ever wonder why Dust only have so little people playing? Because the people who are trying it, are getting killed without a chance and rage quit it. They leave it for other FPS. Playing with a DS3 against Kb/M is a joke! I try it once, I build up my PS3 next to my PC during the jita burn event, where we have to wait out the timer after killing freighters. Seeing the advantages I still took the PS3 back in the living room where I can sit more comfortable, drinking some beer at lazy Saturdays. Aim assist for everybody! You can use it to! If you are playing with Kb/M then you should remember that the average gamer is not sitting in front of the monitor and a desk. Do I want the Kb/M support to be gone? No. CCP can keep it to satisfy the needs of people the way AA is satisfying me.
Aim Assist even have some huge advantages, you just need to open your eyes! I hope that CCP keep the aim assist, even if this means that they lose some hardcore nerds, let them go CCP, you will find more pleasant people out there.
The Aim Assist is even good for the hardcore players. With the AA more people are being attracted to Dust. More people means a bigger pool of players and a bigger pool of skill levels/heights (niveau). The AA is not the end of a line, it is a support. We still have room to progress our skills. A player who manage to aim and place the gun already pointed at the right sport will win the fight against a player who is following his opponent while aiming.
Before you getting started to tell me how stupid I am and that I should feel bad and that it's a miracle that I'm even alive, try to think about that the difference between the needs of a PC gamer and a console gamer.
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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:16:00 -
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Look at this videos from other shooters from console, some of them are even more dramatic then in Dust. In a Shooter with vehicles and other variable the aim assist needs to be stronger to compensate. In Dust we have even Kb/M user and to compensate THAT, you need to have a even stronger aim assist, or even a auto aim. Here some Videos.
Battlefield 3 http://youtu.be/r9dLKS6Ndcs
Borderlands 2 http://youtu.be/k8F04HKUYag
CoD Black Ops 2 http://youtu.be/2VHlBwFp3xM
Halo 4 (you should see this, you would not believe it otherwise.) http://youtu.be/ShQunpA7LI8
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 http://youtu.be/qaom3cdZv1c |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:21:00 -
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I like it to. Like I said earlier today. The game is much more user friendly after 1.4 and I-Śm sure we will see more gamers joining us now. Great battles out there at the moment so good stuff CCP! |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:25:00 -
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I just feel like Lasers need the aim assist at long ranged...but thats about it... |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:27:00 -
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The simple fact that you think we need auto aim simply because we have vehicles and mice tells me all i need to know. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:29:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:I like it to. Like I said earlier today. The game is much more user friendly after 1.4 and I-Śm sure we will see more gamers joining us now. Great battles out there at the moment so good stuff CCP!
Exactly! The fights have become more dramatic, it's not that the enemy is the only one using aim assist. Today I was using the crouch function , I haven't used it in years, yesterday I was running from cover to cover and again today I need to order a LAV to get out alive (I was very badly cornered). In older installations I would have just run through. |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:35:00 -
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The game is certainly more enjoyable now than it has been in a long long time, I even find myself wanting to log in when i'm playing something else (Prison Architect <3) |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:39:00 -
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Karl Koekwaus wrote:The game is certainly more enjoyable now than it has been in a long long time, I even find myself wanting to log in when i'm playing something else (Prison Architect <3)
Yesterday I had to make a hard decision, Dark souls or Dust. I started with Dust but after a couple of beers I needed to switch to Dark souls, even aim assist could not help me at the end ;).
But seriously, the game has become more enjoyable like you say. |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:53:00 -
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If it gets more people playing and brings back those who have left, the AA is a somewhat good thing... That being said it is slightly rage inducing getting smashed by Exile or Militia ARs from insane distances by newberries but at least every enemy engagement is now more tense... The game had stagnated for me in the last month or 2 and now its become a lot more fun and challenging... |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
185
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Posted - 2013.09.07 18:57:00 -
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Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe.
Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central. |
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Nguruthos IX
Vagina Bombers
1480
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:03:00 -
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Niceeee |
Nguruthos IX
Vagina Bombers
1480
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:07:00 -
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Maybe if they'd done a bullet magnet like in Halo, where you don't see your aim changing and it happens so fast you just assume the bullets that hit your target were actually aimed at it, people wouldn't be so ragey
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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:09:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe.
Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central.
You and your like have no power here!
If CCP wants to earn $$ they need more people. Welcome to the world of console gaming Beeeees. |
DootDoot
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:19:00 -
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meri jin wrote:I have had enough reading about AA (Aim Assist) and the crying, stupid videos and the things that CCP should do with the AA. I like the AA, in fact I love it! It's the first time that Dust become something enjoyable for me and my friends! My friend even start playing it again, all of them quit the game after the first attempts, now they are back and are something like curious what Dust will become next and about the potential. You guys seems to forget something very important here! This is a PS3 game that only support using moue and keyboard. Not one is forcing you to do so, there is no rule that says "you have to play FPS this way" . This is not e-sports, this game is being played from sofas, easy chairs, in the living room more lying then really sitting. This is not a PC game and stop making it to your personal counter-strike-in-space! If you like to have competitive gaming then get the f*ck out and play quake. There is no challenge in killing people using a Kb/M but it is hard to do so with a DS3 from a sofa when the TV is meters away! Do you ever wonder why Dust only have so little people playing? Because the people who are trying it, are getting killed without a chance and rage quit it. They leave it for other FPS. Playing with a DS3 against Kb/M is a joke! I try it once, I build up my PS3 next to my PC during the jita burn event, where we have to wait out the timer after killing freighters. Seeing the advantages I still took the PS3 back in the living room where I can sit more comfortable, drinking some beer at lazy Saturdays. Aim assist for everybody! You can use it to! If you are playing with Kb/M then you should remember that the average gamer is not sitting in front of the monitor and a desk. Do I want the Kb/M support to be gone? No. CCP can keep it to satisfy the needs of people the way AA is satisfying me. Aim Assist even have some huge advantages, you just need to open your eyes! I hope that CCP keep the aim assist, even if this means that they lose some hardcore nerds, let them go CCP, you will find more pleasant people out there. The Aim Assist is even good for the hardcore players. With the AA more people are being attracted to Dust. More people means a bigger pool of players and a bigger pool of skill levels/heights (niveau). The AA is not the end of a line, it is a support. We still have room to progress our skills. A player who manage to aim and place the gun already pointed at the right sport will win the fight against a player who is following his opponent while aiming. Before you getting started to tell me how stupid I am and that I should feel bad and that it's a miracle that I'm even alive, try to think about that the difference between the needs of a PC gamer and a console gamer.
Aim assist done well every pro and Vet turns off because it mess's with their input... regardless ds3 or M/KB that is fact... This aim assist isnt an aim assist it aims for you it tracks for you.. that is a huge problem and one that can't be "Tonned" down...
CCP built this AA fundamentally wrong. You can't tone down a system that is wrong it doesnt make sense. Leaving us with a system that everyone in the FPS community will point and laugh at and shy even further away from, or something that has to removed yet again.
This is why they are so silent. they are trying to figure out a way to salvage this and have people accept a fundamentally broken system.
It sucks but AA has been another waste of time poorly done like every other attempt CCP has done... i don't understand what the surprise is. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8137
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:21:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Maybe if they'd done a bullet magnet like in Halo, where you don't see your aim changing and it happens so fast you just assume the bullets that hit your target were actually aimed at it, people wouldn't be so ragey
I sorta disagree there was already a large amount of complaints about bullets hitting around corners on this game and they're still somewhat there after the 1.4 changes though not as notable as before in lagging games its fairly common and we all know that our connection is not the best. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
946
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:27:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Any "comfy chair gaming" argument getting tossed around so freely is completely negated by the fact that this is a part of the highly competitive EVE universe.
Your preferences in gaming dont matter jack here, this is balls to the wall cutthroat central.
"Cutthroat Central" =/= e-sport |
Provolonee
Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY
124
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:31:00 -
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~20k out of millions of ps3 owners, were playing a great f2p shooter. Why so low? They would download it, realize the gunplay was way below the standard for console shooters and they would uninstall and walk away. The number one feedback I got from all of my friends trying it out, was that the aiming was crap and the guns feel like crap to use. Not fun.
Go play fallout 3, that game has horrible aiming, but you can pause time and pick your shots so it was ok. COD still has much stronger magnetism but the hide during the ADS animation. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
293
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:34:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:
Aim assist done well every pro and Vet turns off because it mess's with their input... regardless ds3 or M/KB that is fact... This aim assist isnt an aim assist it aims for you it tracks for you.. that is a huge problem and one that can't be "Tonned" down...
I'm not tonned down AA or anything, I love it. It should stay this way. Have you seen the videos?
DootDoot wrote: CCP built this AA fundamentally wrong. You can't tone down a system that is wrong it doesnt make sense. Leaving us with a system that everyone in the FPS community will point and laugh at and shy even further away from, or something that has to removed yet again.
Wow! Every one? Really? Than that must be some big deal right? Please show me the source. I mean, people are buying millions of millions of CoD and BF copies, knowing that there is a AA that can't be turned off. But if the AA of Dust pisses of so many people then I would like to see them. I have only met a couple in this forums here. Outside of it this forums I heard only positive feedback. (from friends, colleagues and neighbor. But you can't hear them, they are not on the forums. So what now? Listen to the one who screams the loudest?
DootDoot wrote: This is why they are so silent. they are trying to figure out a way to salvage this and have people accept a fundamentally broken system.
And here I was thinking it is because of the weekend and that they are awaiting a more matter of fact feed back without sentimental value.
DootDoot wrote: It sucks but AA has been another waste of time poorly done like every other attempt CCP has done... i don't understand what the surprise is.
[/quote] I said it already my circle of acquaintances likes it.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8138
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:39:00 -
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CCP is silent on the manner because they're in collection mode most likely.
I have been giving them points made out by players for things to look out for such as :
Hipfire > ADS Overly Helpful Hit Detection Hitbox Desync (where your hitbox is not where you are in the eyes of the guy shooting you) Notable Magnetism
So far the overall AA (as in the sake of using it) is far better than past interactions being that it no longer seems like something you're fighting against at times and it really does seem to fall into a more helpful 'suggestion' mode than 'let me work for you mode'
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
186
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:40:00 -
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meri jin wrote:
You and your like have no power here!
If CCP wants to earn $$ they need more people. Welcome to the world of console gaming Beeeees.
I am a paying customer, buddy. Welcome to the world of customer and service provider relations. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8138
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:41:00 -
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Provolonee wrote:~20k out of millions of ps3 owners, were playing a great f2p shooter. Why so low? They would download it, realize the gunplay was way below the standard for console shooters and they would uninstall and walk away. The number one feedback I got from all of my friends trying it out, was that the aiming was crap and the guns feel like crap to use. Not fun.
Go play fallout 3, that game has horrible aiming, but you can pause time and pick your shots so it was ok. COD still has much stronger magnetism but the hide during the ADS animation.
Thing about COD they don't hide it fast enough I feel the snap every time I ADS up when I was trying to train on how to quick scope. |
RedZer0 MK1
Opus Arcana
36
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:42:00 -
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When AA makes shots from the hip a much better option than ADS, there is a problem. On top of that, the first few shots don't register, so high RoF weapons get an ever better edge. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
293
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:46:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:meri jin wrote:
You and your like have no power here!
If CCP wants to earn $$ they need more people. Welcome to the world of console gaming Beeeees.
I am a paying customer, buddy. Welcome to the world of customer and service provider relations.
Dust is already hardcore enough. We have a strong death punishment, we have the backstabbing corp and alliance philosophy from eve, we have the as*hole attitude community, and we definitely don't need to make this game even harder. |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
248
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:48:00 -
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aim assst sucks, i use a ds3 and i hate aim assist, we have played so long without it why the hell do we need it now? i prefer using actual hand eye cordination skill than just letting some robot track my target for me. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CCP is silent on the manner because they're in collection mode most likely.
I have been giving them points made out by players for things to look out for such as :
I hope without manipulation? I hope you mention that there are people who like the AA ;).
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:aim assst sucks, i use a ds3 and i hate aim assist, we have played so long without it why the hell do we need it now? i prefer using actual hand eye cordination skill than just letting some robot track my target for me.
You are welcome to turn it of. I will use mine. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
560
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:51:00 -
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Give everyone aimbot and all of a sudden New Eden is supposed to be some welcoming place that is compared to Call of Duty in a good way.
Oh man, this community cracks me up. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
560
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:55:00 -
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meri jin wrote:You are welcome to turn it of. I will use mine. And another one of these "you can turn it of if you don't like it" comments.
A chunk of the community is so opposed to it, not because they feel like they're being forced to use something they don't want to, but because they feel that the playing field is all of a sudden overnight totally level.
This is an MMO FPS, its not supposed to be a level playing field. I'm not saying that "noobs should gravel at my feet!" but I am saying that noobs should learn to pick their battles, just like the rest of us did. The game instead is holding their hands and telling them that they are amazing and deserve a gold star too.
Oh hell, I even remember back on this April Fools day, CCP released that joke video ending with "and now we're going to be introducing a new race that is more casual and noob friendly." |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
295
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Posted - 2013.09.07 20:00:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:meri jin wrote:You are welcome to turn it of. I will use mine. And another one of these "you can turn it of if you don't like it" comments. A chunk of the community is so opposed to it, not because they feel like they're being forced to use something they don't want to, but because they feel that the playing field is all of a sudden overnight totally level. This is an MMO FPS, its not supposed to be a level playing field. I'm not saying that "noobs should gravel at my feet!" but I am saying that noobs should learn to pick their battles, just like the rest of us did. The game instead is holding their hands and telling them that they are amazing and deserve a gold star too. Oh hell, I even remember back on this April Fools day, CCP released that joke video ending with "and now we're going to be introducing a new race that is more casual and noob friendly."
Of course I know what you mean buddy. The thing is that AA should have bean there right from the start and should have bean adjusted from the start. Id would feel so dramatically. But it is here and I like it, my buddies like it to. IF the hipfire is not balanced CCP will fix it, I'm sure about that. But I hope they don't touch the rest. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
440
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Posted - 2013.09.07 20:06:00 -
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One thing AA has done it's made the game more 'enjoyable' for ppl who can't play the game otherwise. For everyone else it has ruined the competitive aspect of, you know, a competitive FPS. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
295
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Posted - 2013.09.07 20:08:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:One thing AA has done it's made the game more 'enjoyable' for ppl who can't play the game otherwise. For everyone else it has ruined the competitive aspect of, you know, a competitive FPS.
You mean like CoD or BF3? You know, the biggest FPS of all time? They have AA and you can't turn it off, even there is a menu. All you can do if turn it off in the single player. |
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