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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:51:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Beeeees wrote:Vell0cet wrote: Appealing to the top 10% of the tiny player base isn't a financially viable business model for DUST.
Appealing to the top 10% is the reason CCP still exists. See EVE. If EVE got rid of all the care bears, the economy would collapse and the elite 10% in EVE wouldn't have anything to play. It's also not a twitch game, which you seem to think is the pinnacle of gameplay. What makes EVE interesting is module choice, teamwork, and strategy/tactics. AA doesn't reduce these aspects of DUST at all, in fact they make those aspects of the game even more important. Quote:This game does not need an inflow of noskill-CoDshitters that will be gone the second the new CoD is released. We need more content, once we got proper deployables and at least some variety in dropsuits the people will flow in because "wow what an awesome game", and not because "HAY BRUV CHECK OUT COD:BLOPS 514". You're delusional if you think there will be a massive influx of players eager to get pubstomped for months until they build up the aiming skill and SP to be competitive with Kb/M vets just by adding a few new suits and deployables. You're right that many of the CoD players will be flaky and move on to other titles, but the RPG aspects of DUST and the passive SP gains will draw many of them back (and many will still run passive SP boosters while they're taking a break--helping sustain development). This is especially true when new content is added in the biannual expansions. Not to mention the fact that the power of corps and social gameplay will keep them coming back to want to defend their "sandcastles". DUST is still a very deep game, even with AA, and it will only get moreso as new content comes in. Also, you've not addressed my point about ways the system could be tweaked to still reward hardcore players. Dont attribute the flaws of matchmaking to the need for strong aim assist.
Well I dont know what your doing but matchmaking has been awsome since day 2, apart from the odd squad member not being dragged through, we have always come across tough and hard to beat enemies, if you are playing solo then it appears that matchmaking hasnt changed!!
Aim Assist is strong, maybe too much, CCP will look at it, until then HTFU!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:12:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:For people that think Kbm rules dust... Quote:I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend.
"DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel"
Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing"
I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist.
You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist.
That is utterly pathetic.
Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian.
And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players.
Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game.
I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist.
But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day. Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers?
You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!!
If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general)
Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.08 12:18:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers?
You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!!
If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general)
Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!!
It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not. Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it! We liked it before! That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot!
I can very easily explain that 6+ kdr is down to luck!! Have you heard of the lucjy particle theory? The theory dictates that so long as a subject s not at absolute zero, anything can happen!! You can but a beaker of water in room tempreture and leave it there, it will then procede to evaporate, it happens so slowly kt would take a good month or even considerably longer before 25ml beaker empties!! But it happens because a particle gets lucky, statistically it will happen rarely or even almost never, but by the fact there are so many opportunities for it too happen!!
But I digrese, I dont see how using a fully automatic weapon that deals 360dps requires skill, and if people who claim to have skill actually have it, then why is it such a bother? Yes I agree AA needs toning down, a little, I dont agree with the principle that it move your reticule for you, but if you continue to accuse "aimbot" of being game breaking, then no amount of logical arguments are going to convince you otherwise!!
But answer me this, Should we have aim assist, why? Is it the problem with the aim assist or is possible it more than just 1 factor? Do you believe whole heartly that having aim assist is breaking or ruining the game for everyone or just for vets? Should we not do our best to cater for as many people as possible? |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.08 12:30:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am just giving them a list of things to see if its over toned as one could put it and might need toning down or that what is happening on the field is not what they're intending ect ect. I'm not trying to get rid of it just alleviate some of the worst cases where the AA might be doing more harm than good. It's probably been said many times but extreme accuracy at extreme range plays h*ll with the balance at the longer end of things. Subjectively it seems easier to be picked off while sniping at what used to be a relatively safe distance. I hope that isn't by design. I worry that the commercialization efforts by the hired gun might have to be at the expense of the role I prefer.
Sniping is slightly easier because the sensitivity changes to allow for finer adjustmemts, but tracking a moving target isnt much better than before!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:04:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Scumbag Monkey MAC: Monkey MAC wrote: I can very easily explain that 6+ kdr is down to luck!!
Proceeds to give an explanation so convoluted the Time Cube guy offers him an honorary degree in crazy. This thread is filled with the highest quotient of entitled gold-star coveting whining I've ever seen. Why do any of you even play a game where other people can kill you if all you want is to be rewarded for the bare minimum of effort? I content myself with the fact that the PS3 is the cocoon in which Dust is currently gestating in, and that most of you whiners will have moved on to the next FOTM when it finally hatches and moves onto it's long term platform.
So let me get this straight, you tell me the game requires skill, I refute the game requires skill, using a perfectly logical argument, you procceed to besmirch my name in order to further yojr own cause, j dont suppose yoj read the whole thing? I probably could have done with boxing it off or footnoting jt or something!!
But that fact still remains, those you are complaining at, are the ones complaining at Aim Assist who are whining because the fragility of their suits and tactics are now apparent!!
Im not complaining nor do I expect to put in no effort and achieve fps enlightenment, but if you really had skill, you wouldnt need to ,
begin childish name calling, doing so only shows my argument holds mors water than yours and that you need to insult me to feel like you have any form of headway
adapt to the changes show everyone your better than "aimbot using scrubs" and continue playing
While we are here Id like to take a moment and tell you, that I run a suit with 460 ehp a repler and an energizer (mini adv), I run an md and have done since 1.0 when hit detection was so damn poor on the thing, I made more kills with the melee, oh and I have enjoyed 1.4 much more than 1.3 and its texan 2 stepping!!
So stop whining, your contradicting yourself!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:13:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Sounds like this gug is a little up himself dont you think? People need to stop lokking at this from a vets point of veiw!! If you consider non aim assist ownage when noone has it, is that skill or twitchy fingers?
You are perfect liberty to use the same system as them, you misinterpret pride for satisfaction, they over joyed they can actually kill stuff now!!
If you were a real pro, not just some who believes there entitled to the moniker because they have been here for a while, you would adapt like so many others have!! (Im not saying this applies to YOU specifically, its just in general)
Skill ks an illusion, you can't test or prove the exsistance of skill in any game like this, there are too many variables, skill is nothing more than luck in games like this, who sees who first, who gets shot in the back, who happens to be in the wrong place at the right time!!
It is skill. Whether or not twitchy fingers is part of it or not. Skill is not an illusion. I agree there are many variables, but you can't deny people that have like 6+ kds with an AR don't have skill. That's utter crap. The "pros" you are referring to have already adapted. Much like myself. But it doesn't mean we LIKE it! We liked it before! That is why we are here on the forums trying to get AA at LEAST toned down..a lot! I can very easily explain that 6+ kdr is down to luck!! Have you heard of the lucjy particle theory? The theory dictates that so long as a subject s not at absolute zero, anything can happen!! You can but a beaker of water in room tempreture and leave it there, it will then procede to evaporate, it happens so slowly kt would take a good month or even considerably longer before 25ml beaker empties!! But it happens because a particle gets lucky, statistically it will happen rarely or even almost never, but by the fact there are so many opportunities for it too happen!! But I digrese, I dont see how using a fully automatic weapon that deals 360dps requires skill, and if people who claim to have skill actually have it, then why is it such a bother? Yes I agree AA needs toning down, a little, I dont agree with the principle that it move your reticule for you, but if you continue to accuse "aimbot" of being game breaking, then no amount of logical arguments are going to convince you otherwise!! But answer me this, Should we have aim assist, why? Is it the problem with the aim assist or is possible it more than just 1 factor? Do you believe whole heartly that having aim assist is breaking or ruining the game for everyone or just for vets? Should we not do our best to cater for as many people as possible? Sorry I didn't really mean to say "AR" and the whole 6kd thing. I was just in the heat of my typing spree. As for your q's 1. No we shouldn't have AA. Because it takes away the amount of skill required to play this tracking shooter. 2. It probably is more than 2 factors. Strafing got lowered again so ppl can't strafe as fast anymore, as well as hd got better. However I do believe AA is a problem. 3.Id say it ruins it more so for vets simply because we have been playing this game with AA off for such a long time. 4. No we shouldn't cater ppl. This is the eve universe. If any catering should happen, it should be to make matchmaking better. Or allow new players to stay in academy longer.
Well 1 we could argue about till the mcc come home, but I dont you or I will ever agree, so we will sweep that aside based on the fact neither of us will provide enough evidence to convince the other.
2 good now we are both on the same page, yes I do in fact believe the current AA is a problem, but what needs to be done will end up sending us back to 1
3 why is it game breaking to vets when they can use, or not, I turned it off, im my burst scrambler pistol is still doing much, much bettee than 1.3
4 if we didnt catermto people then the why are even bothering arguing? It has to cater to someone, and itmshould be donemthat vets feel powerful, but noobs feel useful, like there making more of a difference than cannon fodder! , |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:33:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:meri jin wrote:I have had enough reading about AA (Aim Assist) and the crying, stupid videos and the things that CCP should do with the AA. I like the AA, in fact I love it! It's the first time that Dust become something enjoyable for me and my friends! My friend even start playing it again, all of them quit the game after the first attempts, now they are back and are something like curious what Dust will become next and about the potential. You guys seems to forget something very important here! This is a PS3 game that only support using moue and keyboard. Not one is forcing you to do so, there is no rule that says "you have to play FPS this way" . This is not e-sports, this game is being played from sofas, easy chairs, in the living room more lying then really sitting. This is not a PC game and stop making it to your personal counter-strike-in-space! If you like to have competitive gaming then get the f*ck out and play quake. There is no challenge in killing people using a Kb/M but it is hard to do so with a DS3 from a sofa when the TV is meters away! Do you ever wonder why Dust only have so little people playing? Because the people who are trying it, are getting killed without a chance and rage quit it. They leave it for other FPS. Playing with a DS3 against Kb/M is a joke! I try it once, I build up my PS3 next to my PC during the jita burn event, where we have to wait out the timer after killing freighters. Seeing the advantages I still took the PS3 back in the living room where I can sit more comfortable, drinking some beer at lazy Saturdays. Aim assist for everybody! You can use it to! If you are playing with Kb/M then you should remember that the average gamer is not sitting in front of the monitor and a desk. Do I want the Kb/M support to be gone? No. CCP can keep it to satisfy the needs of people the way AA is satisfying me. Aim Assist even have some huge advantages, you just need to open your eyes! I hope that CCP keep the aim assist, even if this means that they lose some hardcore nerds, let them go CCP, you will find more pleasant people out there. The Aim Assist is even good for the hardcore players. With the AA more people are being attracted to Dust. More people means a bigger pool of players and a bigger pool of skill levels/heights (niveau). The AA is not the end of a line, it is a support. We still have room to progress our skills. A player who manage to aim and place the gun already pointed at the right sport will win the fight against a player who is following his opponent while aiming. Before you getting started to tell me how stupid I am and that I should feel bad and that it's a miracle that I'm even alive, try to think about that the difference between the needs of a PC gamer and a console gamer. It's just how HD and AA have lowered TTKs to the point of destroying Regen and speed tanking.
Precisely, I dont think AA is too much of an issue, but what we aren't happy about is how quickly you drop a guh with a full auto weapon!! |
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