better question why doesn't AV dominate lav's

like "how many licks to the center of a tootsie roll pop?" the world will never know

The reason that I am able to take advantage of these tanks on the battlefield is not due to my OP av grenades, it is due to the mentality of 60-75 % of the tank drivers currently in Dust 514. If they see a red dot on the mini map, they instantly charge for the kill, and opposed to what some will lead you to believe, the reason that mentality is there is due to tankers being allowed to Rambo the field and not encounter av grenades. ( They poop their pants when they actually do bum rush a AV grenadier)

Back in the day, dominant tank drivers was known by name due to their skills and due to the squad that they carry as protection, imagine that, a tank squad. In the video below when you read the comment section you will hear various excuses for the tank driver in question.... all the way to blaming me for not telling the accurate shield and armor #'s.

In the video AV grenade community....... If this is how you kill your tanks, please express so. I do not even have to chase tanks anymore, once I am a red dot on their mini map.... they come to me :)

Dust 514 : Why My AV Grenades Dominate Tanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axvE-844Hw

Nah its primarily because AV nades are pretty ridiculously good, this criticism coming from an dedicated AV nader, and personally I want to see these grenades die their final dealth since it doesn't make sense to have enough explosive charge to penetrate 800mm or great Armour plates in such a small charge or at least see Nanohives not restock grenades.

I agree the Lai DAI needs to be fixed, which I have never used them just due to them being broke.

I am a full time AV nader and full heartedly dis agree with you. AV grenades help create balance, and are a much needed resource.

Well at least you have o agree that removing the grenade resupply for nanohives is a must. I should never be able to solo a tank, let alone stand on a single grenade regening hive and just blap tanks with my endless stream of illogical grenades.....Grenades should be a tactical choice... spamming the hell out of them should not be a viable strategy.

I am a full time AV nader and full heartedly dis agree with you. AV grenades help create balance, and are a much needed resource.

Yes, the new players here are complete morons like that one in the video, he dident know what hes doing and got himself blown up! The mentality of most tankers are biased by the totally noobisim, its ********. Actually, it is justified because all the veteran tanks stoped playing or switched classes because tanks are no longer fun to play, all the AV was buffed and all the tanks were nerfed, only someone new to dust would really want to play tanks now. Of course, a select few of us vets still do tank and we do not often put our tanks in harms way, charge infaintry at AV nade range with railguns or even attempt to enter their range at all! We are great tankers. Too bad we dont tank anymore tho, its really not worth it and ppl running around with AV nades powerfull enough for a single person with a nanohive to kill you before you run away is one of them.

How can you say the playerbase will drop if the AV nades are taken away or balanced? There is proper AV in this game and they are all brutally and unfairly effective. so effective, in fact there is no way for tanks to deal with them, we have standard vehicals vs proto, max skilled AV and we die. AV nades should be removed or made more reasonable, its a grenade. You killed that tank in about 4 seconds and it was a sica, resistant to explosives. That is a proto AV nade. The best we have are standard tanks and shield tanks arnt even usable, its all about armor tanking. Thats even weaker to AV nades, of course it does too much damage.
Just think, what if you had 2 ppl throwing grenades? 3 second pop on milita and standard tanks?


Their grenades! There is proper AV in this game, and a grenade should never 3 shot a tank! Yes, im saying someone with an assault rifle should loose against a tank every single time, no questions asked gaurentee die vs a tank unless he has mines or det packs. Am i wrong to say that?

Dust 514 : Destroying 4 LAV's In Under 1 Minute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw

Maple.... I was not able to destroy your tank with my solo proto av nades on several occasions. I believe you under estimate the strength of your tank brother....... I know better

I would like everyone to take notice to what this guy says...

I use AV grenades because Swarm Launchers hinder you. You have to use a sidearm. "Destroying 4 LAVs in Under 1 minute"

Your suppose to freaking use AV weapons if you want to blow up vehicles and also your supposed to be hindered if your going AV.
AV grenades provide to much space for opening up equal effectiveness in 2 roles.

I would like everyone to take notice to what this guy says...

I use AV grenades because Swarm Launchers hinder you. You have to use a sidearm. "Destroying 4 LAVs in Under 1 minute"

Your suppose to freaking use AV weapons if you want to blow up vehicles and also your supposed to be hindered if your going AV.
AV grenades provide to much space for opening up equal effectiveness in 2 roles.

Not trying to personally attack you dont worry :) but yeah you dident solo my tank bcuz i got away, dident want to be AV naded cuz iknow what they do to me... massive damage. Its just too much, they should be more supplimental damage and not primary AV means. They really are, you dont have to play deffensively with them ppl actively hunt tanks and sneak up them. This video shows a tank can not accelerate in time to escape an AV nade ambusher. Its brutally effective, grenades just shouldent do that

Im glad you listened to what the "GUY" said/ me..... You act as if I created this game... or if we was just allowed to start carrying AV grenades.... in the video is exactly HOW AV has always worked on standard LAV and should continue....

That's what it boils down to. AV grenades are too effective for the versatility they offer compared to a primary AV weapon that's meant to hinder your AI effectiveness.

Off subject hows final fantasy XIV?

Wasn't directed at you.

your squad killed me after I already made you poop your pant :) If I could only hear the comms.... but regardless... the player base will drop, you remember when tanks dominated the battlefield...... and that's what I am basing it all on, is knowledge, cause history will repeat itself.

Off subject hows final fantasy XIV?

Sure you should be able to solo a tank.... why should you not? the military teaches you how to solo tanks in real life....what is so different?


Syria - Grenade vs Tank!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTSAuaNAGpM

fun when you can actually log in. also, the beta ends in 2 hours and 20 minutes.

man...all you ever do is dis agree with me...even when... how you get all those likes? do you even play DUST 514? will you play with me? Have I ever squaded with you? on a diff note....

ALL I hear is QQ about primary weapons.... ANYTHING THAT KILLS VEHICLES OR PROTO SUITS IS OP TO YOU GUYS.....always has been...always will be.

IN REAL LIFE 1 GRENADE CAN MESS UP A TANK OR ARMOR HUM V .... but this is a video game.... I understand

The key is not nerfing AV...yet actually balancing the vehicles correctly...

The key is not nerfing AV...yet actually balancing the vehicles correctly...

The reason that I am able to take advantage of these tanks on the battlefield is not due to my OP av grenades, it is due to the mentality of 60-75 % of the tank drivers currently in Dust 514. If they see a red dot on the mini map, they instantly charge for the kill, and opposed to what some will lead you to believe, the reason that mentality is there is due to tankers being allowed to Rambo the field and not encounter av grenades. ( They poop their pants when they actually do bum rush a AV grenadier)

Back in the day, dominant tank drivers was known by name due to their skills and due to the squad that they carry as protection, imagine that, a tank squad. In the video below when you read the comment section you will hear various excuses for the tank driver in question.... all the way to blaming me for not telling the accurate shield and armor #'s.

In the video AV grenade community....... If this is how you kill your tanks, please express so. I do not even have to chase tanks anymore, once I am a red dot on their mini map.... they come to me :)

Dust 514 : Why My AV Grenades Dominate Tanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axvE-844Hw

If vehicles were re-balanced to the point that AV grenades were a hard counter to LAVs, but a minor/moderate threat to HAV to the point that you needed an AV weapon to take one out, would that make sense? If tanks are rock, infantry is scissors, and AV is paper, why should scissors get to run with paper?

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Just so we're all on the same page, this is one of many things wrong with tanks:
Link

If they were so worried about new players, why not make matchmaking important instead of punishing players for playing the game right?

Nice post man.... but what I am not understanding..or perhaps I am...since they "nerfed" tanks/ vehicles, and have not given more "slots" and a more enriched experience for the "more skilled" players....thatn shouldn't that be what the forum is filled with... not the nerfing of AV?

Nice post man.... but what I am not understanding..or perhaps I am...since they "nerfed" tanks/ vehicles, and have not given more "slots" and a more enriched experience for the "more skilled" players....thatn shouldn't that be what the forum is filled with... not the nerfing of AV?

Just another lost battle that went forgotten and buried.

it was not forgotten... you pulled it right up...I would be posting that all day

funny you should ask...it was great till last night and I got the 3012 ERROR which wouldn't allow me to play anymore.... seems like tons of players got it, but it is a Beta and I am sure the will get it fixed...

Its on the PSN store for digital download already :)

have you been playing?

IN REAL LIFE 1 GRENADE CAN MESS UP A TANK OR ARMOR HUM V .... but this is a video game.... I understand

See now you get it, way to many new tankers just try to park next to you and dont even attempt to stay out of the danger zone until they will die to the next grenade and then blame what killed them being OP

fixed it for you

You say that but honestly I see the long time tankers who have refused to adapt from the old days do it more often
Not saying new tankers dont do it but they usually learn pretty quick it that its a stupid idea and to keep some distance from infantry cover at the very least

See now you get it, way to many tankers just try to park next to you and dont even attempt to stay out of the danger zone until they will die to the next grenade and then blame what killed them being OP

The reason that I am able to take advantage of these tanks on the battlefield is not due to my OP av grenades, it is due to the mentality of 60-75 % of the tank drivers currently in Dust 514. If they see a red dot on the mini map, they instantly charge for the kill, and opposed to what some will lead you to believe, the reason that mentality is there is due to tankers being allowed to Rambo the field and not encounter av grenades. ( They poop their pants when they actually do bum rush a AV grenadier)

Back in the day, dominant tank drivers was known by name due to their skills and due to the squad that they carry as protection, imagine that, a tank squad. In the video below when you read the comment section you will hear various excuses for the tank driver in question.... all the way to blaming me for not telling the accurate shield and armor #'s.

In the video AV grenade community....... If this is how you kill your tanks, please express so. I do not even have to chase tanks anymore, once I am a red dot on their mini map.... they come to me :)

Dust 514 : Why My AV Grenades Dominate Tanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axvE-844Hw

apparently you don't understand because you want this game to be opposite of what its designed to be, a future sifi fantasy game, its not nor was it ever meant to be like real life. it even has it in the lore that earth is completely non-existing in new eden and the technology we have irl today is LONG forgotten by about 20k years, and the technology new eden has is far more advanced than present day earth...

you don't understand that this is a game because you just want this to be like real life where you kill everything with an AR.

im not insulting you, im pointing out the fact that you do not understand because of your comments, your attitude and your mentality.

and on the bias that if AV grenades get the nerf they severely deserve that the whole player base will quit... well that's their own fault for being lazy *** scrubs who expect everything to be handed to them without any effort on their part..

all your video showed was how EASY it is to kill a tank, also guess what, tankers have no control over the players using the small turrets, we don't have a button that kicks them out (that would solve the blue problem) nor do we have competent infantry players we can rely on to help us out while we do our jobs, all the infantry do (in your video, they do what im about to say) is just sit back in our small turrets and AFK expecting to get free points for doing nothing, and that result in our deaths and wasted gameplay...

and you even said that you hate tanks, therefore you have no reasonable grounds to speak on, tankers don't hate AV players, were actually glad to be killed by people that skill up into the class meant to take us down (except AV grenades, those offer too much flexibility and have no negative aspects to speak of, they allow you to be proficient in both anti infantry and anti vhicle roles which shouldn't be possible because every other role requires you to make complete sacrifices when dealing with other class types, but AV grenades completely ignore the "you gotta give a little to get a little" and "nothing is given without sacrifice" aspecs of real life and new eden). you showed complete ignorance in that video and lost credibility with the "world of tanks" comment you made.

i know im aggressive with this post but its just me standing my ground.

Only standing your ground? you are mad at me for destroying a tank that was on a mission to kill me? I used the tools that I have available and it is my fault? all that other ranting you are doing seems to be pent up frustration... you clearly do not know me.... and I was around when this was "world of tanks" and it was not fun... so lets talk about credibility.... cause I can talk about whatever I choose.... you think I am the only one that feels this way?

UUUGHHH noo but i've been watching those gameplay videos like theres no tomorrow. I got my eye on the animal race with the archer class

People wouldn't be using AV grenades so much if regular AV did it's job. Just sayin'. 2 proto AVers can barely take out a really well fit tank right now, and these are STD tanks. Things are going to be ungodly stupid once ADV and PROTO tanks come back.

no, im not mad at you for destroying a tank, that's your role as an "AV Grenader" but your mentality in the video cuts off all your credibility, you were being biased in the video. this was never world of tanks, in no game EVER did i see 16 tanks on the ground and no infantry players, every game iv ever been in, there have been at most 5 tanks, even in closed beta..

its not your gameplay that is biased, its your mentality on how this should be not dust 514 and how it should be COD, and you are avoiding my main statement on where im proving that you don't understand that this is a game.

and yes i know your not the only one who wants this to be COD in space.

(im gona sleep now, have a test in the morning.)

well, I am sorry you feel that way, soon you will take a class in sarcasm, and than perhaps you will understand and look back on that video and actually laugh

^ what are you doin on the forums low rate? Make another video rite meow!

Why do people insist on realism on a game?

shhh..im at work o0 :) I will make one soon... its going to be a thank you video to all you great people!

Lowratehitman, I give you credit for being brave enough to drag the dead beaten horse back into the center of the room. But the dead beast drives the so called "vet" tankers to vomit insanity. Reason cannot cure them; others have already tried only to watch them relapse with circular logic, tears, and jibberish. Is it even worth the trouble?

On a side note, does anyone see the irony of people claiming to be "good tankers" or "vets" coming to the forums to cry that they keep losing their vehicle to anti-vehicle weaponry?

Actually, I'd like to see a video of 2 Minmatar basic medium frames strafing side by side. One with kb/m, one with ds3. This way we can compare the strafe rate for everyone to see! lol

As for the AV shizzle, buff swarms flight speed and make them smart enough to go around light posts, and increase the time before homing activates on AV grenades by 0.3 seconds, then all AV will work as they should

^^^^ you cant expose things for what they REALLY are... or you get hated on :(

I'll volunteer my Minmatar basic if you change your mind, I'd love too see that lulz

People wouldn't be using AV grenades so much if regular AV did it's job. Just sayin'. 2 proto AVers (not AV grenadiers) can barely take out a really well fit tank right now, and these are STD tanks. Things are going to be ungodly stupid once ADV and PROTO tanks come back.

imho i think they simply need to reduce the amount of av nades you can carry 3 av nades can do over 4k dmg Which is op as ****

1 proto tank should = 3 proto AV
1 advanced tank should = 2 proto AV
1 standard tank should = 1 proto AV

otherwise tanks will just continue to be worthless.. like they are now.

I would really like to do that... this morning perhaps I will. Will you be on? I will prob have the both players use starter fits so it is a suit that anyone can relate to.... But I will get hate from all angles.... why do you think you have not seen a player spotlight on me? lol

I noticed someone say that "In Real Life" a grenade would not destroy a tank... so I threw that up there...


The mentality of the forums....

'Why my tank shouldn't die to AV 'nades'


Whine whine whine my tank dies when I try to rush people instead of keeping my distance and dominating from safety, moan moan moan I hate using cover and planning escape routes, complain complain complain no one likes guarding my tank as a squad tactic because they find it boring so I have to try to solo everything 'cause no one wants to help me, whinge whinge whinge I'm not OP enough so that makes everything else OP

By Brokenrecord Kashuken, A.K.A. English Snake

Fixed that for ya'

Fixed that for ya'

I know right, I believe I have seen him call all AV but the plasma cannon a crutch

Wrong

FG is nearly fine by me, the damage is another thing but they have to aim at least

Plasma cannon is a funny weapon but once again they have to aim, and aim more than any other AV weapon in the game, its the hardest AV weapon to use thats why its rarely seen, on the other hand crutch swarms are everywhere

So the only one you wont complain about is the one thats nearly impossible to destroy a vehicle with?
Cant hit anything in the sky
Doesnt do enough damage to take out an LAV before it has to reload and recharge the shot giving ample time to get run over
And again does not do enough damage to take out an HAV without giving them ample time to move out of range or to kill them unless the driver is in the restroom

The reason you dont see it isnt because its not a "crutch" but because its atrocious in its role

Ok seriously shut up about swarms

Im not saying this to be mean or anything but if you are an adult its ******* pathetic that you devote so much time and energy into posting crutch this and crutch that ad nauseum
I have not seen you post in a thread yet that hasnt devolved into you kicking and screaming on the floor like a child

Again Im not saying this to be mean or insult you but if you want people to take you seriously than stop acting like a child

I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.

Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.

Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.

As do most tankers.

lol crutch user you mad?

Kicking and screaming thats rich coming from AV and infantry, its all they did to get all vehicles nerfed into the ******* ground because they refused to skill into AV kept using milita and kept doing it solo, you wont be happy until you can kill it with a clip from a militia rifle

5 builds and 5 sets of nerfs

Vehicles are still trucking in while still infantry want to nerf them even more, i routinely use more teamwork than my AV counterparts but that doesnt count because im in a vehicle, i adapt and adapt and adapt even more to get the best out of my vehicle when im losing skills from the tree, losing mods, losing hulls, gaining 'advanced militia' hull as a sidegrade and all while im using the basic hull and mods because we dont have advanced/proto hulls/mods yet we are put against adv/proto AV in every game and are told to HTFU and deal with it

They complain when i dont help the team, they complain when i rail snipe, they complain when i dont move because i have an idiot blue dot in the gun seat spamming it at our MCC, they complain how all i do is look after my investment, all infantry do is complain about anything i do yet do infantry help me? lolno thats teamwork and your a tank you should be fine and be able to stand upto all the AV being thrown at you

But we cant, ive tried every method in the book to keep a tank alive and the best one which is still unbeaten is redline rail sniping, even using teamwork a single lolproto crutch swarm user can just say nope imma **** you all up anyways with my crutch while we the vehicle users consistantly use teamwork to try and avoid the shitstorm

double standards much?

I'll be the first to say that AV can be slightly overwhelming at times, but if you loose your tank to av nades, then you probably deserve it, to close to infantry for too long

probably not running in a squad either with no gunners in your other turrets

I called in about 20 tanks yesterday (no rails) over about 30 games and didnt loose one, its not impossible, just you shouldnt sit still in one place for to long

Like I said, ranting like a child and hyperbolic statements are not the way to get people to take you seriously

Okay for infantry and AV to do it but for vehicle lolno

Like i said double standards much

Show me the hyperbolic arguments made by infantry in this thread
Show me where we demanded to kill tanks with rifles
Hell show me a recent thread calling for a nerf and not us saying things are fine where they are now

You say youve been adapting but still die all the time, well I have bad news friend that just means you are a bad player
Hell other tank drivers have said they do alright just by using their brains while playing

Oh and lets not forget that you claim you support your team but then you constantly ***** about others, nevermind that the tank drivers I see that actually do work as a team with infantry players get nothing but respect

But you know something, I believe the game that you really want is right here
Happy trails, auf wiedersehen, sayonara, so long, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Show me the hyperbolic arguments made by infantry in this thread
Show me where we demanded to kill tanks with rifles
Hell show me a recent thread calling for a nerf and not us saying things are fine where they are now

You say youve been adapting but still die all the time, well I have bad news friend that just means you are a bad player
Hell other tank drivers have said they do alright just by using their brains while playing

Oh and lets not forget that you claim you support your team but then you constantly ***** about others, nevermind that the tank drivers I see that actually do work as a team with infantry players get nothing but respect

But you know something, I believe the game that you really want is right here
Happy trails, auf wiedersehen, sayonara, so long, dont let the door hit you on the way out

Well at least you have o agree that removing the grenade resupply for nanohives is a must. I should never be able to solo a tank, let alone stand on a single grenade regening hive and just blap tanks with my endless stream of illogical grenades.....Grenades should be a tactical choice... spamming the hell out of them should not be a viable strategy.

You missed out half the story

In 25secs i can run back to the redline

What map, what mode, what tank, where were you, what route did he take, what did he do, did he just take off, did anything hit or did you think it hit etc etc etc

Too many details missing so whats to make me think that you just didnt make it up on the spot to prove a point?

Tanks for the honesty!

Ask him, I gave you his name. I didn't know you needed a story teller to recount the tale for you. Communications, madruger. Here's the map, follow along. I was at I6, he barrels into the city from I/J3, he kills me and 2-3 others while we're in a fire fight across the street between A & B, I respawn at K7 and he's at E12 shooting through the gap at G11 and rolling slowly my way. I move to the boxes at I7 and shoot a swarm as he rolls to about G9, he stops to shoot at me so I move and I toss 3 AV's from cover at the barrier at H8, he continues to creep towards me so I retreat to cover behind the boxes at I7 and manage to fire off 2 swarms, he realizes it's time to go, I'm at only 20 armor as I fire 1 more swarm at him and he rounds the corner out the west gate and circles around the back of the complex. And he's scott free.

About your vid:

I agree there are foolish tankers and great tankers, but a single guy being able to insta-kill a HAV at close range 1v1 seems... kinda stupid to me.

I mean, that's a Tank vs Man, that makes no sense.

Your AV nades should force the HAV to retreat, or at least give it the time to do so.

Of course, this is only my opinion...

Taka you have shown no evidence of people saying these things

You just go with "you want you want you want" putting words in others mouths with nothing to back it up
Your arguments lack and you portray yourself in a pathetic manner and getting so worked up for being killed in a game makes me believe you should seek professional counseling for what I imagine is a horrible inferiority complex

Good day sir

How can you play the game?

That bias must be clouding your vision i dont know how you see the TV let alone the tanks with your crutch but you dont need to see the tank lock on fire and forget so great even a blind man has a chance

What tank? if its shield it can take some punishment from swarms at least, armor is a diff story

But why swarms in the compound? why not a nanohive and instant gibbing with AV nades?

Only way i can think is that you missed with AV nades dont know how but you missed and not all swarms hit it and they maybe hit the box if you tried the jump out lock fire back in cover

Nah its primarily because AV nades are pretty ridiculously good, this criticism coming from an dedicated AV nader, and personally I want to see these grenades die their final dealth since it doesn't make sense to have enough explosive charge to penetrate 800mm or great Armour plates in such a small charge or at least see Nanohives not restock grenades.

Attempting to deflect attention away from the holes in your logic 1/10 and the 1 is from pity
Ironically your "swarms are a crutch" argument is a crutch you yourself lean on when pressed for proof to back up your claims or when you need a straw to grasp at

Now I believe I said good day

A. As I said, Madruger

B. The reason for not spamming AV's, as I mentioned above, is that the tank was coming closer to my cover and I had 6 mad mass driver nuts spamming rounds towards me. Tossing a hive and setting up shop in those conditions is not ideal, I'm lucky I managed to toss the 3 I had and get back to cover. It's part of the perils of having no primary weapon when you run AV, you can't fight back across streets like that effectively.

C. Every swarm I shot connected though a single missile of the last swarm I fired nicked the barrier around the door as he was leaving.

D. He had right at 1700 armor left as he was leaving the city, I was watching his health the whole time I was trying to finish him off.

As I said, ask him. If he still remembers, we're sitting here dwelling on it and he's prolly moved on through another 10 matches by now. The longer you wait, the better the chance he'll forget the whole match lol

Holes in my logic lol

Corner bending missiles - Around corners/cover, basically OP since cover is useless

Insta locking - Can fire so many volleys in a short time, the lock on is too quick - Sorry 1.5sec thats so long

Locking through objects - Once again you may be able to see a tiny corner of the tank which then reveals the big red square for you to lock on to, problem is the big red square is through 5ft of concrete so you really shouldnt be able to lock on to it

Maintaining lock - Now you can maintain lock even when you are not looking at the target

Bunny hopping - You can lock on and fire when bunny hopping, try that with a FG and you miss the vast majority of the time

Problems with the swarms, funny thing is you think its all fine according to your logic, except it not logic its bias and delusional bias at that

Myself and many others have pointed out the flaws in your "logic" in this very thread even IIRC, dont feel like double checking this particular thread though
And thats not even getting to the irony of saying others are delusional and steeped in irony

Thats even leaving alone that this is a thread about AV grenades but you started to harp on about the swarm launcher when no one brought it up

Dust 514 : Destroying 4 LAV's In Under 1 Minute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw

AV nades, working as intended, homing range is useless on the most powerful, PL definitely needs a buff and the mines need a buff

You, about to QQ about any AV at all getting a buff
I would love to see you in action sometime if you are a hot shot tanker, hell Ill even squad up with you and defend you from the mean old AV if it means I get a chance to see you drive
Like Ive mentioned before I just think you are a terrible driver and want to see how close to the mark I am, do you think youll be playing this evening?

Wrong

Ive said AV mines and PL need a buff, your bias is blinding you again

In action i used to play PC, basic vs proto all day, tank fights were fun until AV got involved, generally always killed more than i died and same with tank fights always coming out on top but in general tanks were useless on both sides and only ther for being ther

I think your terrible AV player who needs his crutch, im on most days anyways

Tankers aren't on here voicing their lament because they want to be invincible or want Dust to be World of Tanks, they want their damned SP and ISK to be worth the investment.

AV nades - more powerful than mines and AV weapons like PL, homing crutch so you never miss, no aiming required, used as a primary AV weapon

Remove the homing crutch, swap the damage with AV mines and its okay




Now show me where in that statement you said the PL needs a buff and werent just QQing about the grenade damage?
And Ill send you a message when I get on to see if you want to squad up still, if I could I would record it to show everyone your tanking ability
Oh heads up, Ill stick with you but if you do something stupid like drive into a bunch of guys and expect nothing to happen Im bailing out since I dont feel like needlessly dying

Pulls out a random quote which proves his bais

I already said it and i dunno where

Somthing about speed up the projectile and maybe reduce the arcing of it in general thats all it needs since its a high arcing slow moving projectile

I dont drive into a bunch of guys and stop still you idiot, then again i keep my distance, 400m away on the hill with a railgun thats much safer so really why do i need you in my tank again taking up space?

Not a random quote, something you had literally just said and referenced to try and defend yourself
Anyway I see youve gone the route of hiding in the red line, good for survivability but definitely not admirable in anyway

Although this does beg the question, with that huge distance gap lowering swarm launcher damage output and being able to duck behind a ridge to block all damage how is it that they kill you so often? Thats what I want to see

I think AV nades have a place, and that is to keep vehicle users from being able to rambo into a crowd of people and dominate.

There we have it

Infantry complaining yet again because im in the redline so i survive

Sawrms/FG/OB they dont kill me when im in my redline

When im in my redline im doing what you are doing when on top of a tower covering the area yet its fine for infantry and AV to do it but not for a vehicle - double standards again

The opposite is true, it means that at any time a couple of guys can rall together in their LLAV and go all jihad on any tank in the game with MLT suits and a box of AV grenades. As long as you don't act a fool and flip the thing in front of the tank, you can probably get a pretty basic LLAV to within throwing range most of the time. Then it is game over for the tank.

Tell me how that was complaining at all
Seriously explain how saying what you do was good for survivability but not admirable was complaining

Grasp at those straws but please try to back up what you say and explain how you reached your conclusion instead of going "look look see see I knew it was like that but Im not going to say how my point was proved"

Complaining that and your words 'im hiding in the redline' not camping or just sat on a hill but hiding yet AV do it all the time but its fine because they are infantry aka double standards again

Flawed argument since I consider anyone that hides in the redline as not admirable whether they be sniper, av, tanker, etc etc so theres no double standard
Try again

I totally agree, AV nades, and nades in general, are imbalanced.

Imagine if AV nades didn't exist though... would you have any fear of charging into a pack of reds if you knew for a fact that none of them had AV nades?

How is it flawed?

You complained that im the redline hiding

You complained im in the redline

You complained that im hiding

That is complaining

You are complaining because im not in the field 'supporting idiots' who generally dont support the tank anyways

Flawed because I did not complain, I just said it wasnt admirable
Did I say that you shouldnt do it? Did I say it was somehow unfair? Did I say that you need to come out onto the rest of the field?

Nope, I just said I dont admire you for doing it so thats where you argument is flawed, well in one way at least
The other was you trying to say I had a double standard going on

Are you like 14? You argue like a teenager and if you are then I just feel bad now

You complained and you are still doing it

Not really, now do you actually have anyway to back up your claims or is it just going to be more "You are cause I say you are" and me pointing out how you are wrong? Because if thats it just imagine Im saying that you are wrong, a moron, and every idea you have is fundamentally flawed
I think that will save us both time since its pretty accurate

You complained that im the redline hiding

You complained im in the redline

You complained that im hiding

That is complaining

you are wrong, a moron, and every idea you have is fundamentally flawed

Why can't tankers just wait for their Proto tanks? You're all just butt hurt that it isn't Tank514 like it was in chromosome. Stop complaining about AV and complain about getting your proto stuff. Seriously, just try using STD Swarms and nades on a STD tank and see how difficult it is to pop a tank. Even my ADV gear has difficulty taking down shield tanks. To be a truly effective AVer now, you NEED PRO weapons to go up against STD vehicles, or go FG I find that to be bs, personally.

Do tankers still delusionally believe that it shoulf take a squad to pop them?

A. As I said, Madruger

B. The reason for not spamming AV's, as I mentioned above, is that the tank was coming closer to my cover and I had 6 mad mass driver nuts spamming rounds towards me. Tossing a hive and setting up shop in those conditions is not ideal, I'm lucky I managed to toss the 3 I had and get back to cover. It's part of the perils of having no primary weapon when you run AV, you can't fight back across streets like that effectively.

C. Every swarm I shot connected though a single missile of the last swarm I fired nicked the barrier around the door as he was leaving.

D. He had right at 1700 armor left as he was leaving the city, I was watching his health the whole time I was trying to finish him off.

As I said, ask him. If he still remembers, we're sitting here dwelling on it and he's prolly moved on through another 10 matches by now. The longer you wait, the better the chance he'll forget the whole match lol

lol

2-3 basic AV to take a basic tank

2-3 adv to take a adv tank - proper adv tank not a militia enforcer

2-3 proto for proto tank

You do not need proto weapons to go up against basic vehicles, you need proto to solo it

They are not supposed to be solo'd, use teamwork i have to when in my tank why should AV not have to use teamwork?

Because you are one guy. It should not take more than one person to take out one guy. What teamwork do you have to use that isn't likr every other infantry on the field?

Going be your own logic, it would take 15 people to take out 5 guys in properly fitted tanks. That leaves the fully tanked team with 10 regular infantry to kill the 15 AVers that are gimped with only sidearms. Call me crazy if i think it's unbalanced for a whole team having to take out a single squad.

Taka you have shown no evidence of people saying these things

You just go with "you want you want you want" putting words in others mouths with nothing to back it up
Your arguments lack and you portray yourself in a pathetic manner and getting so worked up for being killed in a game makes me believe you should seek professional counseling for what I imagine is a horrible inferiority complex

Good day sir

The reason that I am able to take advantage of these tanks on the battlefield is not due to my OP av grenades, it is due to the mentality of 60-75 % of the tank drivers currently in Dust 514. If they see a red dot on the mini map, they instantly charge for the kill, and opposed to what some will lead you to believe, the reason that mentality is there is due to tankers being allowed to Rambo the field and not encounter av grenades. ( They poop their pants when they actually do bum rush a AV grenadier)

Back in the day, dominant tank drivers was known by name due to their skills and due to the squad that they carry as protection, imagine that, a tank squad. In the video below when you read the comment section you will hear various excuses for the tank driver in question.... all the way to blaming me for not telling the accurate shield and armor #'s.

In the video AV grenade community....... If this is how you kill your tanks, please express so. I do not even have to chase tanks anymore, once I am a red dot on their mini map.... they come to me :)

Dust 514 : Why My AV Grenades Dominate Tanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axvE-844Hw

Dust 514 : Destroying 4 LAV's In Under 1 Minute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw

Because you are one guy. It should not take more than one person to take out one guy. What teamwork do you have to use that isn't likr every other infantry on the field?

Going be your own logic, it would take 15 people to take out 5 guys in properly fitted tanks. That leaves the fully tanked team with 10 regular infantry to kill the 15 AVers that are gimped with only sidearms. Call me crazy if i think it's unbalanced for a whole team having to take out a single squad.

Sure you should be able to solo a tank.... why should you not? the military teaches you how to solo tanks in real life....what is so different?


Syria - Grenade vs Tank!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTSAuaNAGpM

Maple.... I was not able to destroy your tank with my solo proto av nades on several occasions. I believe you under estimate the strength of your tank brother....... I know better

**** I take it back...... the hell kind of grenade is that?

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See now you get it, way to many tankers just try to park next to you and dont even attempt to stay out of the danger zone until they will die to the next grenade and then blame what killed them being OP

The opposite is true, it means that at any time a couple of guys can rally together in their LLAV and go all jihad on any tank in the game with MLT suits and a box of AV grenades. As long as you don't act a fool and flip the thing in front of the tank, you can probably get a pretty basic LLAV to within throwing range most of the time. Then it is game over for the tank.

The whole problem with tank vs Av argument. Is that tank drivers feel it should take more than one Av person to kill them which on paper sounds fine expect that in public matches that level of team work is impossible to find and leads to tanks steanrolling everyone which great for the tanker but awful for everyone else.

What needs to happen is that one player through great effort can just about kill a tank. But only if that driver makes a mistake. Likes fails to bug out in time. And that damaging tanks gives warpoints instead of just the kill

People wouldn't be using AV grenades so much if regular AV did it's job. Just sayin'. 2 proto AVers (not AV grenadiers) can barely take out a really well fit tank right now, and these are STD tanks. Things are going to be ungodly stupid once ADV and PROTO tanks come back.

I can say the exact same thing about you

Actually, I'd like to see a video of 2 Minmatar basic medium frames strafing side by side. One with kb/m, one with ds3. This way we can compare the strafe rate for everyone to see! lol

As for the AV shizzle, buff swarms flight speed and make them smart enough to go around light posts, and increase the time before homing activates on AV grenades by 0.3 seconds, then all AV will work as they should

'Why my crutch nades dominate tanks'

Well 1st of all i have access to adv/proto AV nades, then best thing about this is that they can easily do 6k of damage to any vehicle and basically can OHK, even tanks, its awesome i dont even need proper AV weapons and the best thing is tanks cannot do a single thing about it because i can spam them all in 3secs anyways so even if they kill me chances are they are dead and they are only basic tanks they cannot upgrade to adv/proto mods or hull

The homing crutch is awesome - i can spam them anywhere around the tank and not even aim at the tank and the homing makes up for it, i dont have to aim at all which is a good job because i cant aim for **** hence why i have crutch nades

Stronger than an AV weapon - lolFG aiming is for noobs, id use crutch swarms but that means i cant kill infantry and tanks at the same time so crutch nades solves my problem, even stronger than a AV mine but thats takes thinking and positioning to even get a vehicle and im a bad player so i cant deal with that

By lowratecrutchhitman

I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.

Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.

Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.

As do most tankers.

boo I can't solo tanks

AV grenades dominate tanks cause most tank drivers are just bad and tunnelvisioning around the map with bad fits. they think they are invulnerable, go rambo and usually end up surrounded by a handful of suits tossing AV grenades at the tank resulting in a pretty explosion. a single guy using AV grenades will never bring down a properly fit tank and at most tickle a properly fit and properly driven tank.

truth is, even armor tanks can take alot of punishment from AV grenades and Swarms when driven correctly. I have specced in swarms and AV grenades from the beginning and while the time passes more and more competent and maxxed out tank drivers appear in game. there are armor tank drivers that I cannot take down solo with my proto AV simply because they dont let me and no, they are not redlining, they are simply not brainded and dont camp a single spot standing still while mods are on cooldown. if you overextend while your mods are on cooldown, sit still for 15minutes and then get caught then your tank blowed up because you just did an error not because AV grenades are too stronk.

Why can't tankers just wait for their Proto tanks? You're all just butt hurt that it isn't Tank514 like it was in chromosome. Stop complaining about AV and complain about getting your proto stuff. Seriously, just try using STD Swarms and nades on a STD tank and see how difficult it is to pop a tank. Even my ADV gear has difficulty taking down shield tanks. To be a truly effective AVer now, you NEED PRO weapons to go up against STD vehicles, or go FG I find that to be bs, personally.

Do tankers still delusionally believe that it shoulf take a squad to pop them?

I can say the exact same thing about you

Well at least you have o agree that removing the grenade resupply for nanohives is a must. I should never be able to solo a tank, let alone stand on a single grenade regening hive and just blap tanks with my endless stream of illogical grenades.....Grenades should be a tactical choice... spamming the hell out of them should not be a viable strategy.

Because you are one guy. It should not take more than one person to take out one guy. What teamwork do you have to use that isn't likr every other infantry on the field?

Going be your own logic, it would take 15 people to take out 5 guys in properly fitted tanks. That leaves the fully tanked team with 10 regular infantry to kill the 15 AVers that are gimped with only sidearms. Call me crazy if i think it's unbalanced for a whole team having to take out a single squad.

AV nades for the win

No nerfs for AV nades

Drive your tank elsewhere

The reason that I am able to take advantage of these tanks on the battlefield is not due to my OP av grenades, it is due to the mentality of 60-75 % of the tank drivers currently in Dust 514. If they see a red dot on the mini map, they instantly charge for the kill, and opposed to what some will lead you to believe, the reason that mentality is there is due to tankers being allowed to Rambo the field and not encounter av grenades. ( They poop their pants when they actually do bum rush a AV grenadier)

Back in the day, dominant tank drivers was known by name due to their skills and due to the squad that they carry as protection, imagine that, a tank squad. In the video below when you read the comment section you will hear various excuses for the tank driver in question.... all the way to blaming me for not telling the accurate shield and armor #'s.

In the video AV grenade community....... If this is how you kill your tanks, please express so. I do not even have to chase tanks anymore, once I am a red dot on their mini map.... they come to me :)

Dust 514 : Why My AV Grenades Dominate Tanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axvE-844Hw

If a tanker gets in grenade range, that's the consequence of the tanker, sometimes i av in pc battles and never killed a tank with grenades. That's because he knows better to rush infantry and get in range. And if you let infantry chase you and kill you with grenades you're doing something wrong.

Why do tankers use their tanks every match?

Put a scanner on your tank and BLAM watch as it gets much much harder for someone to AV nade you when you can spot them easily within 100 meters of your tank in any direction...

So - going back to the vault to dig this up, TLDR: Give players an infantry only mode for a few weeks for testing, no vehicles. At the same time give vehicle users what they want, vehicle only mode.... they all like to fight tanks and dropships and crash LLAV into each other with the same vehicle and endlessly dance with one another while infantry does the dying. At the end of the month see what mode gets played more, infantry only or vehicle only.

Speaking of Teamwork - Where is your LOGI repping your vehicle?

Tanker complaint - I have idiot blue-dots wasting my tank turrets and not helping me.

AV Grenade Infantry - I have idiot blue-dots wasting my time by not using any AV against vehicles, and not throwing out nano-hives, so 4 heavies and 2 others have flocked to my nano-hive and depleted the thing seconds after dropping it on the ground; providing that the nano doesn't bounce and lands properly without sliding out into the open.

Tanks go around and blow up everything including the resupply point that their infantry is about to hack, because unlike the tank they are limited in the amount of ammo they can carry and have been fighting for a few minutes.

Why do tankers use their tanks every match?

Along the same thoughts, I hear tanks and players complaining that they are being killed by things outside of the draw range, how do you know it was just the AV grenades hitting you (my tanker buddy always asks me IF I have seen anything on the forums about invisi-swarms) and I have had to move to crazy points on the map just to find out where the Forge Gun Blasts were coming from? I have used Lai-dai's quite a bit for 5 Months, it takes 6-9 to get a non-stationary tank to go boom by myself..... however that was just free extra money to the team that killed me easily with a scout suit or fat suit because I no longer had the Locus Grenades to keep them at bay and my exile's range and POS iron sight is just about the same range that I can throw an un-cooked locus grenade with a bounce or two at the end.

Since the majority of the tankers seem to love the infinite ammo, and no stamina like concerns I think it is high time that they also got the ability to aim a tank like the russians did with their WWII version, hand crank turrets for aiming that actually takes skill, followed by a chance that my grenade or explosive can damage the treads or result in the cases of severe damage destroying the ammo a tank has to carry, OH NOES he is talking real life with that nonsense. How about not being able to just pop inside one like you are teleporting, based on the BACKGROUND scenery vehicles - the tank is no where near big enough to hold 3 people. The LAV is also some sort of over-glorified golf cart based on the size of the background vehicles artwork.

Swarms are a joke, and my suit has only 1 weapon slot, because I like to pick up my team-mates in those rare moments when they aren't dead in front of 5-6 enemy vehicles. Most of the swarms I fire go into the abyss, why because the red-line stops them, and also a Dropship can just race for the ceiling height rep and come back down.

Thanks to the NRC (no respec crowd), I won't waste SP on amarr heavy suit when I am a caldari without checking out the Cal Heavy suit I hear about in rumors for some possible future release. So I am trying to bank close to 2 million SP in waiting for it, so I have the non-racial proto suits to use for the swarm launcher, but why should I give that free money to an enemy for killng me so easily in that suit when I am hunting vehicles...so I rig up the cheapest most effective suit I can to try and do enough damage for a team member or friendly to finish you off.

Even though "grenade range" is around the same as blaster range? You must not know how tanking is.

You need to go back to CoD..... Your "Smug" is stinkin' up the place. The manner in which you present yourself in this Video is the exact reason why the Forums are "Toxic".....b/c an ignoramus spouting extremely biased, nonsensical gibberish, induces the urge to point & shoot your face.....but alas all we have is Text.

You AV Naded a MLT Shield Tank to death, Solo, with PRO AV Nades..... Let's get down to "Brass Tax" here:

1. Shield Tanks lost a TON of Acceleration (Technically "Traded" with Armor Tanks.....), hence the Tanker "Seeming" to stand still. Pre-Uprising AV was still a tad "Broken".....but at least it was escapable. This is why a Shield Tank isn't viable for anything but Redline Sniping (& even then.....not so much).

2. Armor Tanks are what you see surviving your Solo AV Nade Spamohive Rush.....and this is ONLY if they are Full Shield, notice you @ least after the 1st hit (If not before), and are extremely proficient @ quickly reacting with the now "Broken" Radial UI. The Radial UI used to feel fluid, but is now a slow.....clunky mess. Also note if you are Soloing a "Well-Fit" Armor HAV with any AV Weapon right now.....it shows a TERRIBLE Imbalance ala "Power Creep". The Repair Modules are OP "Broken", AV still may Solo something that is OP "Broken", thus Logic dictates that OP Armor Tanks are UP to AV, hence AV is OP in its current state.

3. We have to deal with Terrain deviating our shots, even if the Recticle states a Direct LOS, hence further difficulty in combating vs AV. Couple this with Draw Distance Issues & the inability to look up past 35 Degrees and you have a recipe for disaster.....

4. The Terrain often "R*pes" our survivability before most engagements. A Shield Tank essentially kills itself before entering most areas thanks to this terrible Design Flaw (1mph + Pebble/Divot = Suicide).

5. Price-Point makes Tanking the 2nd least desirable Role (Dropships WIN.....but they often just MLT to get to a Tower for AV "Fun".....so F**K them!!!) A Stock-Fit MLT Tank may cost you the entire match in ISK Loss. So....those "Learning" to Tank are SOL (As you so kindly display in your Video). And anyone claiming they should be able to Solo a Tank is basically a F**KING HYPOCRITE.

How do you expect a Tanker to "Survive" at this Price-Point??? Our best "Logical" Fit runs 1.5 Mil STD & 2.5 Mil ENF (LOL.....ENF). So as a selfishly ignorant AVer (AV LOL-Nader I should say.....), you are basically stating a Catch 22 for Tankers, and a Conundrum overall..... If "Properly Skilled" AVers should Solo a HAV then HAV should Never Die. This is the "Logic-Loop" you so kindly "Deflected". It takes 5-10 Matches (On Average) to Recoup a SINGLE Tank Loss, at STD Level..... So, by "Definition", you (Solo AV Nadetard) should be able to Set Back a Tanker every single Match, for 5-15 Matches.....INGENIOUS!!!!

You knowingly display great pride in killing off an entire Playstyle Choice, killing Player Retension while trashing a Sica for Lulz, and doing so with no understanding of the "Other Side of the Fence"..... I've done it all for the most part & can objectively view the perspectives, but you....on the other hand, are an Irrelevant CoDboi with little understanding of the repercussions of what youDisplay/Advocate.

Congratulations on being 1 of the causes behind the Forum Community's "Toxcicity".....

ahahaha

gtfo

Nah, I'm good. You know it's true.

You, throwing away that 1 Suit, cost you a drop in the bucket. You cost that Tanker his Life Savings. Also, putting the 2 "Modes" you suggested is pure ignorance. There are Many-a-Infantry while there are rather few Tankers, so the numbers will obviously be Skewed. Redline does not stop Swarms.....I assure you this. Another "IRL Reference" from the typical CoDboitard. You are Irrelevant