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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:24:00 -
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'Why my crutch nades dominate tanks'
Well 1st of all i have access to adv/proto AV nades, then best thing about this is that they can easily do 6k of damage to any vehicle and basically can OHK, even tanks, its awesome i dont even need proper AV weapons and the best thing is tanks cannot do a single thing about it because i can spam them all in 3secs anyways so even if they kill me chances are they are dead and they are only basic tanks they cannot upgrade to adv/proto mods or hull
The homing crutch is awesome - i can spam them anywhere around the tank and not even aim at the tank and the homing makes up for it, i dont have to aim at all which is a good job because i cant aim for **** hence why i have crutch nades
Stronger than an AV weapon - lolFG aiming is for noobs, id use crutch swarms but that means i cant kill infantry and tanks at the same time so crutch nades solves my problem, even stronger than a AV mine but thats takes thinking and positioning to even get a vehicle and im a bad player so i cant deal with that
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:01:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:'Why my tank shouldn't die to AV 'nades'
Whine whine whine my tank dies when I try to rush people instead of keeping my distance and dominating from safety, moan moan moan I hate using cover and planning escape routes, complain complain complain no one likes guarding my tank as a squad tactic because they find it boring so I have to try to solo everything 'cause no one wants to help me, whinge whinge whinge I'm not OP enough so that makes everything else OP
By Brokenrecord Kashuken, A.K.A. English Snake Fixed that for ya'
lol fixed lol so many double standards
Keeping distance, i can rail tank in the redline like a boss but then ppl complain like the enemy because lolswarms cant reach me or i just back off and you all complain
Using cover, lolswarms go around cover
Guarding a tank lol good joke, missiles lolno, rails lolno, only blaster but i cant keep my distance with blaster, infantry cant do **** to the AV 300m away unless i have snipers lol that is if they render
I have to solo everything lol, i run with a group consistantly and use teamwork but lolAV is allowed to solo me and not use teamwork
lol he thinks tanks are OP
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:03:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:'Why my tank shouldn't die to AV 'nades'
Whine whine whine my tank dies when I try to rush people instead of keeping my distance and dominating from safety, moan moan moan I hate using cover and planning escape routes, complain complain complain no one likes guarding my tank as a squad tactic because they find it boring so I have to try to solo everything 'cause no one wants to help me, whinge whinge whinge I'm not OP enough so that makes everything else OP
By Brokenrecord Kashuken, A.K.A. English Snake Fixed that for ya' I know right, I believe I have seen him call all AV but the plasma cannon a crutch
Wrong
FG is nearly fine by me, the damage is another thing but they have to aim at least
Plasma cannon is a funny weapon but once again they have to aim, and aim more than any other AV weapon in the game, its the hardest AV weapon to use thats why its rarely seen, on the other hand crutch swarms are everywhere |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:18:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:'Why my tank shouldn't die to AV 'nades'
Whine whine whine my tank dies when I try to rush people instead of keeping my distance and dominating from safety, moan moan moan I hate using cover and planning escape routes, complain complain complain no one likes guarding my tank as a squad tactic because they find it boring so I have to try to solo everything 'cause no one wants to help me, whinge whinge whinge I'm not OP enough so that makes everything else OP
By Brokenrecord Kashuken, A.K.A. English Snake Fixed that for ya' I know right, I believe I have seen him call all AV but the plasma cannon a crutch Wrong FG is nearly fine by me, the damage is another thing but they have to aim at least Plasma cannon is a funny weapon but once again they have to aim, and aim more than any other AV weapon in the game, its the hardest AV weapon to use thats why its rarely seen, on the other hand crutch swarms are everywhere So the only one you wont complain about is the one thats nearly impossible to destroy a vehicle with? Cant hit anything in the sky Doesnt do enough damage to take out an LAV before it has to reload and recharge the shot giving ample time to get run over And again does not do enough damage to take out an HAV without giving them ample time to move out of range or to kill them unless the driver is in the restroom The reason you dont see it isnt because its not a "crutch" but because its atrocious in its role
The projectile can barely reach the sky if your trying to hit DS with it then you are doing it wrong
Its a CQC weapon tbh, problem is projectile is too slow and it arcs like a *****
Then again it requires aim so even if the projectile gets speed up a bit you still have to aim and thats a big minus when crutch swarms are still in the game |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:44:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Ok seriously shut up about swarms
Im not saying this to be mean or anything but if you are an adult its ******* pathetic that you devote so much time and energy into posting crutch this and crutch that ad nauseum I have not seen you post in a thread yet that hasnt devolved into you kicking and screaming on the floor like a child
Again Im not saying this to be mean or insult you but if you want people to take you seriously than stop acting like a child
lol crutch user you mad?
Kicking and screaming thats rich coming from AV and infantry, its all they did to get all vehicles nerfed into the ******* ground because they refused to skill into AV kept using milita and kept doing it solo, you wont be happy until you can kill it with a clip from a militia rifle
5 builds and 5 sets of nerfs
Vehicles are still trucking in while still infantry want to nerf them even more, i routinely use more teamwork than my AV counterparts but that doesnt count because im in a vehicle, i adapt and adapt and adapt even more to get the best out of my vehicle when im losing skills from the tree, losing mods, losing hulls, gaining 'advanced militia' hull as a sidegrade and all while im using the basic hull and mods because we dont have advanced/proto hulls/mods yet we are put against adv/proto AV in every game and are told to HTFU and deal with it
They complain when i dont help the team, they complain when i rail snipe, they complain when i dont move because i have an idiot blue dot in the gun seat spamming it at our MCC, they complain how all i do is look after my investment, all infantry do is complain about anything i do yet do infantry help me? lolno thats teamwork and your a tank you should be fine and be able to stand upto all the AV being thrown at you
But we cant, ive tried every method in the book to keep a tank alive and the best one which is still unbeaten is redline rail sniping, even using teamwork a single lolproto crutch swarm user can just say nope imma **** you all up anyways with my crutch while we the vehicle users consistantly use teamwork to try and avoid the shitstorm
double standards much? |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:49:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.
Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.
Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.
As do most tankers.
You missed out half the story
In 25secs i can run back to the redline
What map, what mode, what tank, where were you, what route did he take, what did he do, did he just take off, did anything hit or did you think it hit etc etc etc
Too many details missing so whats to make me think that you just didnt make it up on the spot to prove a point?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:57:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ok seriously shut up about swarms
Im not saying this to be mean or anything but if you are an adult its ******* pathetic that you devote so much time and energy into posting crutch this and crutch that ad nauseum I have not seen you post in a thread yet that hasnt devolved into you kicking and screaming on the floor like a child
Again Im not saying this to be mean or insult you but if you want people to take you seriously than stop acting like a child lol crutch user you mad? Kicking and screaming thats rich coming from AV and infantry, its all they did to get all vehicles nerfed into the ******* ground because they refused to skill into AV kept using milita and kept doing it solo, you wont be happy until you can kill it with a clip from a militia rifle 5 builds and 5 sets of nerfs Vehicles are still trucking in while still infantry want to nerf them even more, i routinely use more teamwork than my AV counterparts but that doesnt count because im in a vehicle, i adapt and adapt and adapt even more to get the best out of my vehicle when im losing skills from the tree, losing mods, losing hulls, gaining 'advanced militia' hull as a sidegrade and all while im using the basic hull and mods because we dont have advanced/proto hulls/mods yet we are put against adv/proto AV in every game and are told to HTFU and deal with it They complain when i dont help the team, they complain when i rail snipe, they complain when i dont move because i have an idiot blue dot in the gun seat spamming it at our MCC, they complain how all i do is look after my investment, all infantry do is complain about anything i do yet do infantry help me? lolno thats teamwork and your a tank you should be fine and be able to stand upto all the AV being thrown at you But we cant, ive tried every method in the book to keep a tank alive and the best one which is still unbeaten is redline rail sniping, even using teamwork a single lolproto crutch swarm user can just say nope imma **** you all up anyways with my crutch while we the vehicle users consistantly use teamwork to try and avoid the shitstorm double standards much? Like I said, ranting like a child and hyperbolic statements are not the way to get people to take you seriously
Okay for infantry and AV to do it but for vehicle lolno
Like i said double standards much
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:14:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ok seriously shut up about swarms
Im not saying this to be mean or anything but if you are an adult its ******* pathetic that you devote so much time and energy into posting crutch this and crutch that ad nauseum I have not seen you post in a thread yet that hasnt devolved into you kicking and screaming on the floor like a child
Again Im not saying this to be mean or insult you but if you want people to take you seriously than stop acting like a child lol crutch user you mad? Kicking and screaming thats rich coming from AV and infantry, its all they did to get all vehicles nerfed into the ******* ground because they refused to skill into AV kept using milita and kept doing it solo, you wont be happy until you can kill it with a clip from a militia rifle 5 builds and 5 sets of nerfs Vehicles are still trucking in while still infantry want to nerf them even more, i routinely use more teamwork than my AV counterparts but that doesnt count because im in a vehicle, i adapt and adapt and adapt even more to get the best out of my vehicle when im losing skills from the tree, losing mods, losing hulls, gaining 'advanced militia' hull as a sidegrade and all while im using the basic hull and mods because we dont have advanced/proto hulls/mods yet we are put against adv/proto AV in every game and are told to HTFU and deal with it They complain when i dont help the team, they complain when i rail snipe, they complain when i dont move because i have an idiot blue dot in the gun seat spamming it at our MCC, they complain how all i do is look after my investment, all infantry do is complain about anything i do yet do infantry help me? lolno thats teamwork and your a tank you should be fine and be able to stand upto all the AV being thrown at you But we cant, ive tried every method in the book to keep a tank alive and the best one which is still unbeaten is redline rail sniping, even using teamwork a single lolproto crutch swarm user can just say nope imma **** you all up anyways with my crutch while we the vehicle users consistantly use teamwork to try and avoid the shitstorm double standards much? Like I said, ranting like a child and hyperbolic statements are not the way to get people to take you seriously Okay for infantry and AV to do it but for vehicle lolno Like i said double standards much Show me the hyperbolic arguments made by infantry in this thread Show me where we demanded to kill tanks with rifles Hell show me a recent thread calling for a nerf and not us saying things are fine where they are now You say youve been adapting but still die all the time, well I have bad news friend that just means you are a bad player Hell other tank drivers have said they do alright just by using their brains while playing Oh and lets not forget that you claim you support your team but then you constantly ***** about others, nevermind that the tank drivers I see that actually do work as a team with infantry players get nothing but respect But you know something, I believe the game that you really want is right hereHappy trails, auf wiedersehen, sayonara, so long, dont let the door hit you on the way out
Already play WoT
In DUST it would be proto AV being a Tier 10 tank hitting a T5 tank lets say except the T10 is a few pixels wide and about 300m away and bunnyhopping and unless i have a railgun or sniper handy i aint gonna hit that
The way vehicles are infantry still complain, we adapt we change you complain, you dont want us to have proto tanks because lol you are afraid about the pub stomping yet you can do it with proto AV to vehicles fine, thers your example and more double standards
You dont want vehicles to take teamwork to take out yet vehicle users have to use teamwork just to survive, you hide behind 1 AV per 1 tank, i bring up BF3 1 can whack 3 in the tank with ease and you stay quiet because its fine because its infantry vs a vehicle and infantry should always win another example and more duble standards
You are afraid that it may take 3 proto to take out the proto tank, with basic its general 2-3 AV for the basic tank, you hide behind its only 16v16 and that means a quater of the team gone to take out a proto tank and all we would do is spam proto tanks, frankly i would spam it because i can just like proto AV does to me now, what makes you think it will stay 16v16 forever?
You want vehicles gone and you dont want broken AV weapons to be fixed |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:28:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.
Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.
Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.
As do most tankers. You missed out half the story In 25secs i can run back to the redline What map, what mode, what tank, where were you, what route did he take, what did he do, did he just take off, did anything hit or did you think it hit etc etc etc Too many details missing so whats to make me think that you just didnt make it up on the spot to prove a point? Ask him, I gave you his name. I didn't know you needed a story teller to recount the tale for you. Communications, madruger. Here's the map, follow along. I was at I6, he barrels into the city from I/J3, he kills me and 2-3 others while we're in a fire fight across the street between A & B, I respawn at K7 and he's at E12 shooting through the gap at G11 and rolling slowly my way. I move to the boxes at I7 and shoot a swarm as he rolls to about G9, he stops to shoot at me so I move and I toss 3 AV's from cover at the barrier at H8, he continues to creep towards me so I retreat to cover behind the boxes at I7 and manage to fire off 2 swarms, he realizes it's time to go, I'm at only 20 armor as I fire 1 more swarm at him and he rounds the corner out the west gate and circles around the back of the complex. And he's scott free.
What tank? if its shield it can take some punishment from swarms at least, armor is a diff story
But why swarms in the compound? why not a nanohive and instant gibbing with AV nades?
Only way i can think is that you missed with AV nades dont know how but you missed and not all swarms hit it and they maybe hit the box if you tried the jump out lock fire back in cover |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:31:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Taka you have shown no evidence of people saying these things
You just go with "you want you want you want" putting words in others mouths with nothing to back it up Your arguments lack and you portray yourself in a pathetic manner and getting so worked up for being killed in a game makes me believe you should seek professional counseling for what I imagine is a horrible inferiority complex
Good day sir
How can you play the game?
That bias must be clouding your vision i dont know how you see the TV let alone the tanks with your crutch but you dont need to see the tank lock on fire and forget so great even a blind man has a chance |
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:42:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Taka you have shown no evidence of people saying these things
You just go with "you want you want you want" putting words in others mouths with nothing to back it up Your arguments lack and you portray yourself in a pathetic manner and getting so worked up for being killed in a game makes me believe you should seek professional counseling for what I imagine is a horrible inferiority complex
Good day sir How can you play the game? That bias must be clouding your vision i dont know how you see the TV let alone the tanks with your crutch but you dont need to see the tank lock on fire and forget so great even a blind man has a chance Attempting to deflect attention away from the holes in your logic 1/10 and the 1 is from pity Ironically your "swarms are a crutch" argument is a crutch you yourself lean on when pressed for proof to back up your claims or when you need a straw to grasp at Now I believe I said good day
Holes in my logic lol
Corner bending missiles - Around corners/cover, basically OP since cover is useless
Insta locking - Can fire so many volleys in a short time, the lock on is too quick - Sorry 1.5sec thats so long
Locking through objects - Once again you may be able to see a tiny corner of the tank which then reveals the big red square for you to lock on to, problem is the big red square is through 5ft of concrete so you really shouldnt be able to lock on to it
Maintaining lock - Now you can maintain lock even when you are not looking at the target
Bunny hopping - You can lock on and fire when bunny hopping, try that with a FG and you miss the vast majority of the time
Problems with the swarms, funny thing is you think its all fine according to your logic, except it not logic its bias and delusional bias at that |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:45:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.
Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.
Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.
As do most tankers. You missed out half the story In 25secs i can run back to the redline What map, what mode, what tank, where were you, what route did he take, what did he do, did he just take off, did anything hit or did you think it hit etc etc etc Too many details missing so whats to make me think that you just didnt make it up on the spot to prove a point? Ask him, I gave you his name. I didn't know you needed a story teller to recount the tale for you. Communications, madruger. Here's the map, follow along. I was at I6, he barrels into the city from I/J3, he kills me and 2-3 others while we're in a fire fight across the street between A & B, I respawn at K7 and he's at E12 shooting through the gap at G11 and rolling slowly my way. I move to the boxes at I7 and shoot a swarm as he rolls to about G9, he stops to shoot at me so I move and I toss 3 AV's from cover at the barrier at H8, he continues to creep towards me so I retreat to cover behind the boxes at I7 and manage to fire off 2 swarms, he realizes it's time to go, I'm at only 20 armor as I fire 1 more swarm at him and he rounds the corner out the west gate and circles around the back of the complex. And he's scott free. What tank? if its shield it can take some punishment from swarms at least, armor is a diff story But why swarms in the compound? why not a nanohive and instant gibbing with AV nades? Only way i can think is that you missed with AV nades dont know how but you missed and not all swarms hit it and they maybe hit the box if you tried the jump out lock fire back in cover A. As I said, Madruger B. The reason for not spamming AV's, as I mentioned above, is that the tank was coming closer to my cover and I had 6 mad mass driver nuts spamming rounds towards me. Tossing a hive and setting up shop in those conditions is not ideal, I'm lucky I managed to toss the 3 I had and get back to cover. It's part of the perils of having no primary weapon when you run AV, you can't fight back across streets like that effectively. C. Every swarm I shot connected though a single missile of the last swarm I fired nicked the barrier around the door as he was leaving. D. He had right at 1700 armor left as he was leaving the city, I was watching his health the whole time I was trying to finish him off. As I said, ask him. If he still remembers, we're sitting here dwelling on it and he's prolly moved on through another 10 matches by now. The longer you wait, the better the chance he'll forget the whole match lol
Like imma gonna ask
It happens but its rare, 1700armor i think them AV nades didnt hit since proto swarms 3k a hit against armor, 4 sets is 12k he can tank that just with everything on a working aslong as he has 50% resistances
If it happened for me a bit more id be happier |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:53:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Taka you have shown no evidence of people saying these things
You just go with "you want you want you want" putting words in others mouths with nothing to back it up Your arguments lack and you portray yourself in a pathetic manner and getting so worked up for being killed in a game makes me believe you should seek professional counseling for what I imagine is a horrible inferiority complex
Good day sir How can you play the game? That bias must be clouding your vision i dont know how you see the TV let alone the tanks with your crutch but you dont need to see the tank lock on fire and forget so great even a blind man has a chance Attempting to deflect attention away from the holes in your logic 1/10 and the 1 is from pity Ironically your "swarms are a crutch" argument is a crutch you yourself lean on when pressed for proof to back up your claims or when you need a straw to grasp at Now I believe I said good day Holes in my logic lol Corner bending missiles - Around corners/cover, basically OP since cover is useless Insta locking - Can fire so many volleys in a short time, the lock on is too quick - Sorry 1.5sec thats so long Locking through objects - Once again you may be able to see a tiny corner of the tank which then reveals the big red square for you to lock on to, problem is the big red square is through 5ft of concrete so you really shouldnt be able to lock on to it Maintaining lock - Now you can maintain lock even when you are not looking at the target Bunny hopping - You can lock on and fire when bunny hopping, try that with a FG and you miss the vast majority of the time Problems with the swarms, funny thing is you think its all fine according to your logic, except it not logic its bias and delusional bias at that Myself and many others have pointed out the flaws in your "logic" in this very thread even IIRC, dont feel like double checking this particular thread though And thats not even getting to the irony of saying others are delusional and steeped in irony Thats even leaving alone that this is a thread about AV grenades but you started to harp on about the swarm launcher when no one brought it up
AV nades - more powerful than mines and AV weapons like PL, homing crutch so you never miss, no aiming required, used as a primary AV weapon
Remove the homing crutch, swap the damage with AV mines and its okay |
Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:AV nades, working as intended, homing range is useless on the most powerful, PL definitely needs a buff and the mines need a buff
You, about to QQ about any AV at all getting a buff I would love to see you in action sometime if you are a hot shot tanker, hell Ill even squad up with you and defend you from the mean old AV if it means I get a chance to see you drive Like Ive mentioned before I just think you are a terrible driver and want to see how close to the mark I am, do you think youll be playing this evening?
Wrong
Ive said AV mines and PL need a buff, your bias is blinding you again
In action i used to play PC, basic vs proto all day, tank fights were fun until AV got involved, generally always killed more than i died and same with tank fights always coming out on top but in general tanks were useless on both sides and only ther for being ther
I think your terrible AV player who needs his crutch, im on most days anyways |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:17:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:AV nades, working as intended, homing range is useless on the most powerful, PL definitely needs a buff and the mines need a buff
You, about to QQ about any AV at all getting a buff I would love to see you in action sometime if you are a hot shot tanker, hell Ill even squad up with you and defend you from the mean old AV if it means I get a chance to see you drive Like Ive mentioned before I just think you are a terrible driver and want to see how close to the mark I am, do you think youll be playing this evening? Wrong Ive said AV mines and PL need a buff, your bias is blinding you again In action i used to play PC, basic vs proto all day, tank fights were fun until AV got involved, generally always killed more than i died and same with tank fights always coming out on top but in general tanks were useless on both sides and only ther for being ther I think your terrible AV player who needs his crutch, im on most days anyways AV nades - more powerful than mines and AV weapons like PL, homing crutch so you never miss, no aiming required, used as a primary AV weapon Remove the homing crutch, swap the damage with AV mines and its okay Now show me where in that statement you said the PL needs a buff and werent just QQing about the grenade damage? And Ill send you a message when I get on to see if you want to squad up still, if I could I would record it to show everyone your tanking ability Oh heads up, Ill stick with you but if you do something stupid like drive into a bunch of guys and expect nothing to happen Im bailing out since I dont feel like needlessly dying
Pulls out a random quote which proves his bais
I already said it and i dunno where
Somthing about speed up the projectile and maybe reduce the arcing of it in general thats all it needs since its a high arcing slow moving projectile
I dont drive into a bunch of guys and stop still you idiot, then again i keep my distance, 400m away on the hill with a railgun thats much safer so really why do i need you in my tank again taking up space? |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:47:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
Not a random quote, something you had literally just said and referenced to try and defend yourself Anyway I see youve gone the route of hiding in the red line, good for survivability but definitely not admirable in anyway
Although this does beg the question, with that huge distance gap lowering swarm launcher damage output and being able to duck behind a ridge to block all damage how is it that they kill you so often? Thats what I want to see
There we have it
Infantry complaining yet again because im in the redline so i survive
Sawrms/FG/OB they dont kill me when im in my redline
When im in my redline im doing what you are doing when on top of a tower covering the area yet its fine for infantry and AV to do it but not for a vehicle - double standards again
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Not a random quote, something you had literally just said and referenced to try and defend yourself Anyway I see youve gone the route of hiding in the red line, good for survivability but definitely not admirable in anyway
Although this does beg the question, with that huge distance gap lowering swarm launcher damage output and being able to duck behind a ridge to block all damage how is it that they kill you so often? Thats what I want to see
There we have it Infantry complaining yet again because im in the redline so i survive Sawrms/FG/OB they dont kill me when im in my redline When im in my redline im doing what you are doing when on top of a tower covering the area yet its fine for infantry and AV to do it but not for a vehicle - double standards again Tell me how that was complaining at all Seriously explain how saying what you do was good for survivability but not admirable was complaining Grasp at those straws but please try to back up what you say and explain how you reached your conclusion instead of going "look look see see I knew it was like that but Im not going to say how my point was proved"
Complaining that and your words 'im hiding in the redline' not camping or just sat on a hill but hiding yet AV do it all the time but its fine because they are infantry aka double standards again
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Delta 749 wrote:
Flawed argument since I consider anyone that hides in the redline as not admirable whether they be sniper, av, tanker, etc etc so theres no double standard Try again
How is it flawed?
You complained that im the redline hiding
You complained im in the redline
You complained that im hiding
That is complaining
You are complaining because im not in the field 'supporting idiots' who generally dont support the tank anyways |
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Flawed argument since I consider anyone that hides in the redline as not admirable whether they be sniper, av, tanker, etc etc so theres no double standard Try again
How is it flawed? You complained that im the redline hiding You complained im in the redline You complained that im hiding That is complaining You are complaining because im not in the field 'supporting idiots' who generally dont support the tank anyways Flawed because I did not complain, I just said it wasnt admirable Did I say that you shouldnt do it? Did I say it was somehow unfair? Did I say that you need to come out onto the rest of the field? Nope, I just said I dont admire you for doing it so thats where you argument is flawed, well in one way at least The other was you trying to say I had a double standard going on Are you like 14? You argue like a teenager and if you are then I just feel bad now
You complained and you are still doing it
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:41:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
Not really, now do you actually have anyway to back up your claims or is it just going to be more "You are cause I say you are" and me pointing out how you are wrong? Because if thats it just imagine Im saying that you are wrong, a moron, and every idea you have is fundamentally flawed I think that will save us both time since its pretty accurate
You complained that im the redline hiding
You complained im in the redline
You complained that im hiding
That is complaining |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:03:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Not really, now do you actually have anyway to back up your claims or is it just going to be more "You are cause I say you are" and me pointing out how you are wrong? Because if thats it just imagine Im saying that you are wrong, a moron, and every idea you have is fundamentally flawed I think that will save us both time since its pretty accurate
You complained that im the redline hiding You complained im in the redline You complained that im hiding That is complaining you are wrong, a moron, and every idea you have is fundamentally flawed
I can say the exact same thing about you |
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:Why can't tankers just wait for their Proto tanks? You're all just butt hurt that it isn't Tank514 like it was in chromosome. Stop complaining about AV and complain about getting your proto stuff. Seriously, just try using STD Swarms and nades on a STD tank and see how difficult it is to pop a tank. Even my ADV gear has difficulty taking down shield tanks. To be a truly effective AVer now, you NEED PRO weapons to go up against STD vehicles, or go FG I find that to be bs, personally. Do tankers still delusionally believe that it shoulf take a squad to pop them?
lol
2-3 basic AV to take a basic tank
2-3 adv to take a adv tank - proper adv tank not a militia enforcer
2-3 proto for proto tank
You do not need proto weapons to go up against basic vehicles, you need proto to solo it
They are not supposed to be solo'd, use teamwork i have to when in my tank why should AV not have to use teamwork? |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:23:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Skyhound Solbrave wrote:Why can't tankers just wait for their Proto tanks? You're all just butt hurt that it isn't Tank514 like it was in chromosome. Stop complaining about AV and complain about getting your proto stuff. Seriously, just try using STD Swarms and nades on a STD tank and see how difficult it is to pop a tank. Even my ADV gear has difficulty taking down shield tanks. To be a truly effective AVer now, you NEED PRO weapons to go up against STD vehicles, or go FG I find that to be bs, personally. Do tankers still delusionally believe that it shoulf take a squad to pop them? lol 2-3 basic AV to take a basic tank 2-3 adv to take a adv tank - proper adv tank not a militia enforcer 2-3 proto for proto tank You do not need proto weapons to go up against basic vehicles, you need proto to solo it They are not supposed to be solo'd, use teamwork i have to when in my tank why should AV not have to use teamwork? Because you are one guy. It should not take more than one person to take out one guy. What teamwork do you have to use that isn't likr every other infantry on the field? Going be your own logic, it would take 15 people to take out 5 guys in properly fitted tanks. That leaves the fully tanked team with 10 regular infantry to kill the 15 AVers that are gimped with only sidearms. Call me crazy if i think it's unbalanced for a whole team having to take out a single squad.
Tough ****, what makes you think it will stay 16v16 forever? in pubs or PC infantry take objectives aslong as you can defend them jobs a good en and last i checked a vehicle cant hack or even enter the city anyways
The teamwork i use on a daily basis, generally me and another tank, sometimes 3 because why not, spider tanking even or just general covering, a sniper if we can get one to pick off AV that we cant see or hit, sometimes a gunner, i tend to get a bluedot anyways but they are useless - Even with all that proto still fucks up your day and tank |
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14 pages of crutch defending on why he should be able to solo tanks without any skill |
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lowratehitman wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:14 pages of crutch defending on why he should be able to solo tanks without any skill Perhaps you need to find your own crutch with the 5,000 pc battles that was brought upon you yesterday... Quit sticking up for bad tank tactics... smh
Yes because i will be such a force in PC battles
My basic tank and modules going against proto AV |
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Jack McReady wrote:the pattern is too obvious. tank drivers are just whining because they cant solo whole squads with their toy because they use their tanks as bulldozer instead of using it properly. tank is several times as fast as a dropsuit and they have range advantage but all the whiny tank drivers usually sit on top of the enemy squad and are not moving at all thinking they should not die. afterwards they cry because 10 AV grenades get tossed at them, who would guess that would happen, right?
also why should a tank be able to solo anything? as long as a tank does not require several people to be used properly a single AV guy should have atleast a decent chance of keeping a tank at bay and not allow him to move around freely which is currently the case.
this is not rocket science but simple common sense, as soon as you need more than one guy to keep a tank at bay it turns into a game where the team with more tanks win. if one tank requires atleast 2 players to have a single tank under control it would mean that the team with more tanks have numbers advantage in firepower on the ground because they need less dedicated AV and less AV on the team means more firepower on the frontline. this would sooner or later result in everyone sitting in tanks. if you want that go play world of tanks. disagreeing with this equals insulting your own intelligence, so please go on and amuse me.
and it is a fact that properly fit and driven tanks cannot be soloed by AV grenades and swarms. forge guns sitting on rooftop is a different story though.
lol adv/proto crutch nades and swarms say different
You can solo with basic but you have to play it smart and hope the driver is a borderline idiot but it can be done
lol you think it will stay 16v16 forever? you think its easy skilling up into a tank? its rare you see a skilled up tank driver in pub games, i can kill 99% of the tanks i see because they are just starting out and im already at the top, well ive gone as far as the tree allows me to for all vehicles yet im still behind fighting proto AV on a daily basis because it takes no SP to skill up
When adv/proto mods and hull arrive for vehicles it will cost even more SP to get into them, expect Gallente HAV lvl5 to unlock proto i hope, its a 12x skill by the way which = millions of SP, add in a proto pilot suit which i expect to be a 8x skill like all other dropsuits that a couple of million more and then the mods for the suit and a few more to the total
You keep thinking that the tank is a dropsuit, currently yes it is i use a logi suit for my tank until the pilot suit arrives but it offers nothing to the tank and i barely have any skills into ground pounding so for me my tank is a dropsuit because im kinda useless with the thing i skilled up into, then its going to be a pilot suit inside a tank which i hope will enhance the vehicle
You will be fighting a tank not a dropsuit, you will be fighting a tank with a pilot dropsuit inside so is that still 1v1 with AV?
lolno its a tank, its a HAV, Heavily armored vehicle or heavy assault vehicle or huge ass vehicle, of course its going to solo infantry alot you are a walking meatbag with a little bit of armor |
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