better question why doesn't AV dominate lav's

like "how many licks to the center of a tootsie roll pop?" the world will never know

Nah its primarily because AV nades are pretty ridiculously good, this criticism coming from an dedicated AV nader, and personally I want to see these grenades die their final dealth since it doesn't make sense to have enough explosive charge to penetrate 800mm or great Armour plates in such a small charge or at least see Nanohives not restock grenades.

Well at least you have o agree that removing the grenade resupply for nanohives is a must. I should never be able to solo a tank, let alone stand on a single grenade regening hive and just blap tanks with my endless stream of illogical grenades.....Grenades should be a tactical choice... spamming the hell out of them should not be a viable strategy.

Yes, the new players here are complete morons like that one in the video, he dident know what hes doing and got himself blown up! The mentality of most tankers are biased by the totally noobisim, its ********. Actually, it is justified because all the veteran tanks stoped playing or switched classes because tanks are no longer fun to play, all the AV was buffed and all the tanks were nerfed, only someone new to dust would really want to play tanks now. Of course, a select few of us vets still do tank and we do not often put our tanks in harms way, charge infaintry at AV nade range with railguns or even attempt to enter their range at all! We are great tankers. Too bad we dont tank anymore tho, its really not worth it and ppl running around with AV nades powerfull enough for a single person with a nanohive to kill you before you run away is one of them.

How can you say the playerbase will drop if the AV nades are taken away or balanced? There is proper AV in this game and they are all brutally and unfairly effective. so effective, in fact there is no way for tanks to deal with them, we have standard vehicals vs proto, max skilled AV and we die. AV nades should be removed or made more reasonable, its a grenade. You killed that tank in about 4 seconds and it was a sica, resistant to explosives. That is a proto AV nade. The best we have are standard tanks and shield tanks arnt even usable, its all about armor tanking. Thats even weaker to AV nades, of course it does too much damage.
Just think, what if you had 2 ppl throwing grenades? 3 second pop on milita and standard tanks?


Their grenades! There is proper AV in this game, and a grenade should never 3 shot a tank! Yes, im saying someone with an assault rifle should loose against a tank every single time, no questions asked gaurentee die vs a tank unless he has mines or det packs. Am i wrong to say that?

I would like everyone to take notice to what this guy says...

I use AV grenades because Swarm Launchers hinder you. You have to use a sidearm. "Destroying 4 LAVs in Under 1 minute"

Your suppose to freaking use AV weapons if you want to blow up vehicles and also your supposed to be hindered if your going AV.
AV grenades provide to much space for opening up equal effectiveness in 2 roles.

Not trying to personally attack you dont worry :) but yeah you dident solo my tank bcuz i got away, dident want to be AV naded cuz iknow what they do to me... massive damage. Its just too much, they should be more supplimental damage and not primary AV means. They really are, you dont have to play deffensively with them ppl actively hunt tanks and sneak up them. This video shows a tank can not accelerate in time to escape an AV nade ambusher. Its brutally effective, grenades just shouldent do that

That's what it boils down to. AV grenades are too effective for the versatility they offer compared to a primary AV weapon that's meant to hinder your AI effectiveness.

Off subject hows final fantasy XIV?

Wasn't directed at you.

fun when you can actually log in. also, the beta ends in 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Just so we're all on the same page, this is one of many things wrong with tanks:
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If they were so worried about new players, why not make matchmaking important instead of punishing players for playing the game right?

Nice post man.... but what I am not understanding..or perhaps I am...since they "nerfed" tanks/ vehicles, and have not given more "slots" and a more enriched experience for the "more skilled" players....thatn shouldn't that be what the forum is filled with... not the nerfing of AV?

Just another lost battle that went forgotten and buried.

apparently you don't understand because you want this game to be opposite of what its designed to be, a future sifi fantasy game, its not nor was it ever meant to be like real life. it even has it in the lore that earth is completely non-existing in new eden and the technology we have irl today is LONG forgotten by about 20k years, and the technology new eden has is far more advanced than present day earth...

you don't understand that this is a game because you just want this to be like real life where you kill everything with an AR.

im not insulting you, im pointing out the fact that you do not understand because of your comments, your attitude and your mentality.

and on the bias that if AV grenades get the nerf they severely deserve that the whole player base will quit... well that's their own fault for being lazy *** scrubs who expect everything to be handed to them without any effort on their part..

all your video showed was how EASY it is to kill a tank, also guess what, tankers have no control over the players using the small turrets, we don't have a button that kicks them out (that would solve the blue problem) nor do we have competent infantry players we can rely on to help us out while we do our jobs, all the infantry do (in your video, they do what im about to say) is just sit back in our small turrets and AFK expecting to get free points for doing nothing, and that result in our deaths and wasted gameplay...

and you even said that you hate tanks, therefore you have no reasonable grounds to speak on, tankers don't hate AV players, were actually glad to be killed by people that skill up into the class meant to take us down (except AV grenades, those offer too much flexibility and have no negative aspects to speak of, they allow you to be proficient in both anti infantry and anti vhicle roles which shouldn't be possible because every other role requires you to make complete sacrifices when dealing with other class types, but AV grenades completely ignore the "you gotta give a little to get a little" and "nothing is given without sacrifice" aspecs of real life and new eden). you showed complete ignorance in that video and lost credibility with the "world of tanks" comment you made.

i know im aggressive with this post but its just me standing my ground.

UUUGHHH noo but i've been watching those gameplay videos like theres no tomorrow. I got my eye on the animal race with the archer class

no, im not mad at you for destroying a tank, that's your role as an "AV Grenader" but your mentality in the video cuts off all your credibility, you were being biased in the video. this was never world of tanks, in no game EVER did i see 16 tanks on the ground and no infantry players, every game iv ever been in, there have been at most 5 tanks, even in closed beta..

its not your gameplay that is biased, its your mentality on how this should be not dust 514 and how it should be COD, and you are avoiding my main statement on where im proving that you don't understand that this is a game.

and yes i know your not the only one who wants this to be COD in space.

(im gona sleep now, have a test in the morning.)

^ what are you doin on the forums low rate? Make another video rite meow!

Why do people insist on realism on a game?

Lowratehitman, I give you credit for being brave enough to drag the dead beaten horse back into the center of the room. But the dead beast drives the so called "vet" tankers to vomit insanity. Reason cannot cure them; others have already tried only to watch them relapse with circular logic, tears, and jibberish. Is it even worth the trouble?

On a side note, does anyone see the irony of people claiming to be "good tankers" or "vets" coming to the forums to cry that they keep losing their vehicle to anti-vehicle weaponry?

Actually, I'd like to see a video of 2 Minmatar basic medium frames strafing side by side. One with kb/m, one with ds3. This way we can compare the strafe rate for everyone to see! lol

As for the AV shizzle, buff swarms flight speed and make them smart enough to go around light posts, and increase the time before homing activates on AV grenades by 0.3 seconds, then all AV will work as they should

I'll volunteer my Minmatar basic if you change your mind, I'd love too see that lulz

imho i think they simply need to reduce the amount of av nades you can carry 3 av nades can do over 4k dmg Which is op as ****

I'll be the first to say that AV can be slightly overwhelming at times, but if you loose your tank to av nades, then you probably deserve it, to close to infantry for too long

probably not running in a squad either with no gunners in your other turrets

I called in about 20 tanks yesterday (no rails) over about 30 games and didnt loose one, its not impossible, just you shouldnt sit still in one place for to long

Show me the hyperbolic arguments made by infantry in this thread
Show me where we demanded to kill tanks with rifles
Hell show me a recent thread calling for a nerf and not us saying things are fine where they are now

You say youve been adapting but still die all the time, well I have bad news friend that just means you are a bad player
Hell other tank drivers have said they do alright just by using their brains while playing

Oh and lets not forget that you claim you support your team but then you constantly ***** about others, nevermind that the tank drivers I see that actually do work as a team with infantry players get nothing but respect

But you know something, I believe the game that you really want is right here
Happy trails, auf wiedersehen, sayonara, so long, dont let the door hit you on the way out

You need to go back to CoD..... Your "Smug" is stinkin' up the place. The manner in which you present yourself in this Video is the exact reason why the Forums are "Toxic".....b/c an ignoramus spouting extremely biased, nonsensical gibberish, induces the urge to point & shoot your face.....but alas all we have is Text.

You AV Naded a MLT Shield Tank to death, Solo, with PRO AV Nades..... Let's get down to "Brass Tax" here:

1. Shield Tanks lost a TON of Acceleration (Technically "Traded" with Armor Tanks.....), hence the Tanker "Seeming" to stand still. Pre-Uprising AV was still a tad "Broken".....but at least it was escapable. This is why a Shield Tank isn't viable for anything but Redline Sniping (& even then.....not so much).

2. Armor Tanks are what you see surviving your Solo AV Nade Spamohive Rush.....and this is ONLY if they are Full Shield, notice you @ least after the 1st hit (If not before), and are extremely proficient @ quickly reacting with the now "Broken" Radial UI. The Radial UI used to feel fluid, but is now a slow.....clunky mess. Also note if you are Soloing a "Well-Fit" Armor HAV with any AV Weapon right now.....it shows a TERRIBLE Imbalance ala "Power Creep". The Repair Modules are OP "Broken", AV still may Solo something that is OP "Broken", thus Logic dictates that OP Armor Tanks are UP to AV, hence AV is OP in its current state.

3. We have to deal with Terrain deviating our shots, even if the Recticle states a Direct LOS, hence further difficulty in combating vs AV. Couple this with Draw Distance Issues & the inability to look up past 35 Degrees and you have a recipe for disaster.....

4. The Terrain often "R*pes" our survivability before most engagements. A Shield Tank essentially kills itself before entering most areas thanks to this terrible Design Flaw (1mph + Pebble/Divot = Suicide).

5. Price-Point makes Tanking the 2nd least desirable Role (Dropships WIN.....but they often just MLT to get to a Tower for AV "Fun".....so F**K them!!!) A Stock-Fit MLT Tank may cost you the entire match in ISK Loss. So....those "Learning" to Tank are SOL (As you so kindly display in your Video). And anyone claiming they should be able to Solo a Tank is basically a F**KING HYPOCRITE.

How do you expect a Tanker to "Survive" at this Price-Point??? Our best "Logical" Fit runs 1.5 Mil STD & 2.5 Mil ENF (LOL.....ENF). So as a selfishly ignorant AVer (AV LOL-Nader I should say.....), you are basically stating a Catch 22 for Tankers, and a Conundrum overall..... If "Properly Skilled" AVers should Solo a HAV then HAV should Never Die. This is the "Logic-Loop" you so kindly "Deflected". It takes 5-10 Matches (On Average) to Recoup a SINGLE Tank Loss, at STD Level..... So, by "Definition", you (Solo AV Nadetard) should be able to Set Back a Tanker every single Match, for 5-15 Matches.....INGENIOUS!!!!

You knowingly display great pride in killing off an entire Playstyle Choice, killing Player Retension while trashing a Sica for Lulz, and doing so with no understanding of the "Other Side of the Fence"..... I've done it all for the most part & can objectively view the perspectives, but you....on the other hand, are an Irrelevant CoDboi with little understanding of the repercussions of what youDisplay/Advocate.

Congratulations on being 1 of the causes behind the Forum Community's "Toxcicity".....

Sorry lowrate, I had a medical emergency this morning and had to make a trip to the hospital. I'll have to catch you some other time

So is your defense of vehicles in an as you put it, Infantry Dominated Game, it normally takes me 3-4 suits to blow up a vehicle if I am able to, while I probably lose another 4-5 dealing with the infantry between me and the vehicle, those enemies have no respect for a AV vs tank battle....didn't I read a while ago that all you tankers want to go toe to toe with each other, how is it that I need a tanker of my own to see that type of action on a regular basis, why because that is another myth perpetuated by your kind of poster saying that is the way it should be.

No comments about the rest of my post just an attack on my stated opinion, no comment about the infinite ammo, the ability to jump into and drive off said tank/ vehicle or in the case of the LAV's push it upgright after a crash that would normally total the vehicle with full health, I must not be using the lock-on right on the swarm launcher otherwise why are so many dropship pilots racing for the redline and the flight ceiling where my rockets seem to just disappear. Again no comments about where your teams logi's where with their repping of the tank. (it sounds a lot funnier if you picture stewie saying when his voice gets higher and faster)

You are the ones that keep mentioning COD, haven't touched one in years and I always preferred the classic. Nope I am Resistance, Grand Theft, MAG, Arm Core, yeah I played some COD but mainly for the single player and co-op aspects as I like to play with my friends.

So what is your alt, as I am seeing so many people here afraid to actually use their names, hrrmm I have been using this one at all times

Imperfect or not, he has a point. You literally made a 4 minute middle-finger to an entire playstyle choice and threw more fuel onto the fire as to why this game has degraded from infantry and vehicle combat to infantry combat and overpriced coffins. I usually like your videos and your point of view on what's going on in game, but this one left a bad taste in my mouth. Adding insult to injury, you're using one of the best assault suits for AV weapons, not grenades, but actual AV weapons...

Why should you care what's wrong with tanks? You said it yourself- "This isn't world of tanks."

This is sarcasm... r-right guys?

Or another cherry picking arguement. No dedicated tanker behaves like this. You had found some groundpounder noob who thought tanks were win buttons and bum rushed you. You really think someone who rushes you with a railgun sica is a serious tanker?

******* TEST.

My Tank can't "Strafe", I've always used a DS3, there are no Proto Tanks.....let alone Advanced, and you are Honey Boo Boo Rednecktarded "Racist"

Those numbers mean nothing, even if you did have proof. To make a statement like you try to make now, you need to take data over a much longer period of time.

Why do ******** AV infantry, and regular infantry complain about tanks when 60%-75% of them run right up to my tank to get slaughtered?

(Get rekt, go back 2 reddit, etc)

I run both AV and tanks. AV is OP and takes little effort to faceroll with, even with forgeguns.

You think I am an alt because I agree with someone on the forums (GASP) , or because I have you backed into a corner?

Also, why would I be trolling, especially on reddit? "Trolling," has had the little humor it had several years ago milked away into the husk it is now, via meme-culture (guess who the culprit is).

No, always you people us "ur an alt!!!1" as a crutch to dodge an arguement. You have no proof that I am an alt. Stop posting.

You are on my thread.. do you not have 50 million pc attacks to worry about at this juncture?

They were probably militia tanks and poorly fit STD tanks.

Please, post video so those of us that know what we're talking about can comment.

then maybe I should log on my Void Echo profile and hunt you down too

it would be interesting or me to go against such an ignorant self proclaimed aver.

nah, my tank isn't glorious anymore, its gathering dust because its useless in this build, I have and take responsibility, taking time away from the forums and the game itself really allows me to relax and look back at what im doing and what everyone else is doing. and the "Rambo" mentality your going on about, that looks like your doing it because your going against tanks by yourself, if that's not "ramboing" in itself, I don't know what it, also I know how to deal with you just by watching your videos.

with you:

distance= safe
close up= danger

so why would I just role up, oh yeah, because youl complain that Im out of your range at a distance from you, and when if im up close, youl tell me to HTFU or adapt, itl never be an understanding with you, youl always complain at what you don't like.

I may not like AV but the only AV I don't respect is AV grenades.

I would get on my main if it wasn't banned from the forums, wel have to wait a few more days .

i could say the same about your infantry supporters, whos to say they aren't alts?

oh i get it, if there are multiple people disagreeing with you, there mostly alts (no way there anything other than that right?), but if there are multiple people agreeing with you, theres no way they are alts because it supports you right?

lol double standards everywhere.

yeah, it was cursing lol, but oh well, i wont argue with that. but that only occurs when im dealing with blunt ignorance, but as you can see, iv been able to keep calm while "debating" against you.

Lemme start by saying, I'm a fan of yours lowrate. I like what you have done for the community, and can appreciate the work it has entailed.

With that said, I cannot agree with you on this point, at least not fully. Swarms need a buff so they can actually hit LAVs and Dropships. Their flight time is horrible. I have adv swarm build with two complex damage mods, and still get more kills with my mlt forgegun. But you cannot tell me that you think AV 'nades, in their current form, are good for this game. It is quite possibly the worst idea (besides contact nades) in this game.

An Assault player with a Proto AR and Proto AV nades can wreck ANYTHING on the field, with no drawbacks. AV grenades should be removed, and swarms fixed so that they become the LAV killer. There should be some incentive to spec into AV instead of, "Hey I specced in proto locus grenades 'cus they are OP, and guess what? I got these really cool OP AV 'nades too!" If AV 'nades stay in game, they should require their own SP sink.

He's "Slow" bro..... Don't you hear him try to talk??? Barely words.....more like slimy mumbles. Also his shooting "Skills" looks a lot like a distracted monkey waving a Wii-Mote

at least pyrex can actually listen to other people's opinions.

Drawbacks? LOL There aren't any drawbacks. You get close enough to kill the sorry SOB if he jumps out of his tank. There aren't drawbacks to using AV grenades.

AV nades are fine.

Situation 1: Enemy infantry getting to close? Hes not a suicide bomber. Hes packing AV nades. Shoot at him, of course i know how hard it must be to kill a 500 HP assault with your 8000HP tank, but do your best.

Situation 2: DONT GET fully into the city. Stay near the entrance to Avoid Prox mines and if you get shot or start getting hit by AV nades you can pull out fast. Infantry cant even keep up to your tank believe me. I know its tempting to go into cities to get a lot of kills and then whine on the forums when you get killed by AV nades because you were in an area you weren't SUPPOSED TO BE in the first place, but just , try....

Your a noob hitman, quit bumping your own thread to inflate your own head.
I'll 1v1 you anyday. Scrub...

Personally, I'm fine with tanks hiding out back and rail sniping me. I'm also fine with lowratehitman popping them up when they try to bum rush him. You gotta do what you gotta do. My biggest concern with tanks right now is killing them before someone else snipes the kill from me.

As a possible way to alleviate some of the tank suffering I would give tankers some system of visually communicating defensive position for infantry. Like a series of circles that change status/color whenever a tank defender enters them. Kills/assists made in defense of the tank get rewarded by additional war points.

Av grenades provide equal capabilities of all level of swarms.
Seriously... 1 grenade v 6 missiles? swarms still lose?

14 pages of crutch defending on why he should be able to solo tanks without any skill

Yes because i will be such a force in PC battles

My basic tank and modules going against proto AV

Yeesh. The very title of the thread is the giveaway that there's a massive imbalance.

"Why my AV Grenades Dominate Tanks."

dom-+i-+nant
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Adjective
Most important, powerful, or influential: "they are now in an even more dominant position in the market".
Noun
A dominant thing, in particular.
Synonyms
predominant - ruling - prevailing - commanding

Well, there's no one here who'll disagree with that definition. It's a good video, Hitman. You say bad tactics on the part of the driver is how you kill 60-70% of your tanks. Makes sense. The issue is that the tactics you use aren't a big departure for how you kill the remaining 30-40% of your targets. There are no good or bad drivers when two or three grenades are all it ever takes, no matter the fit.