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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.19 06:31:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:calisk galern wrote:better question why doesn't AV dominate lav's
like "how many licks to the center of a tootsie roll pop?" the world will never know Dust 514 : Destroying 4 LAV's In Under 1 Minute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw I would like everyone to take notice to what this guy says... I use AV grenades because Swarm Launchers hinder you. You have to use a sidearm. "Destroying 4 LAVs in Under 1 minute" Your suppose to freaking use AV weapons if you want to blow up vehicles and also your supposed to be hindered if your going AV. AV grenades provide to much space for opening up equal effectiveness in 2 roles.
That's what it boils down to. AV grenades are too effective for the versatility they offer compared to a primary AV weapon that's meant to hinder your AI effectiveness. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.19 06:44:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Cosgar wrote:Xender17 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:calisk galern wrote:better question why doesn't AV dominate lav's
like "how many licks to the center of a tootsie roll pop?" the world will never know Dust 514 : Destroying 4 LAV's In Under 1 Minute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoXHCsk3hw I would like everyone to take notice to what this guy says... I use AV grenades because Swarm Launchers hinder you. You have to use a sidearm. "Destroying 4 LAVs in Under 1 minute" Your suppose to freaking use AV weapons if you want to blow up vehicles and also your supposed to be hindered if your going AV. AV grenades provide to much space for opening up equal effectiveness in 2 roles. That's what it boils down to. AV grenades are too effective for the versatility they offer compared to a primary AV weapon that's meant to hinder your AI effectiveness. man...all you ever do is dis agree with me...even when... how you get all those likes? do you even play DUST 514? will you play with me? Have I ever squaded with you? on a diff note.... ALL I hear is QQ about primary weapons.... ANYTHING THAT KILLS VEHICLES OR PROTO SUITS IS OP TO YOU GUYS.....always has been...always will be. IN REAL LIFE 1 GRENADE CAN MESS UP A TANK OR ARMOR HUM V .... but this is a video game.... I understand
I played against you a couple of times, never with you though. I had to turn down an invite back in Chrome because I promised to teach some newbies the ropes. As for the likes, I make suggestions to make the game fair and fun for everyone, not just one specific group.
You have to understand that there is something wrong with vehicles. If you can solo a tank that doesn't have enough PG to equip anything with proto AV designed to take out proto vehicles (that don't exist anymore) and that tanker can come back in a yellow jeep that requires a team to destroy, something is seriously wrong. In Chromosome, tanks needed a team to support them, in Uprising, tanks are a liability due to vehicle and AV imbalance. Tankers aren't on here voicing their lament because they want to be invincible or want Dust to be World of Tanks, they want their damned SP and ISK to be worth the investment. Right now, it really isn't when one suit that costs a fraction of the SP/ISK invested can take out a tank by themselves like they're taking out the trash. There's no risk/reward with that, just a liability. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 06:50:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:The key is not nerfing AV...yet actually balancing the vehicles correctly...
If vehicles were re-balanced to the point that AV grenades were a hard counter to LAVs, but a minor/moderate threat to HAV to the point that you needed an AV weapon to take one out, would that make sense? If tanks are rock, infantry is scissors, and AV is paper, why should scissors get to run with paper? |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 07:04:00 -
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Just so we're all on the same page, this is one of many things wrong with tanks:
Link
CCP Blam! wrote:Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.
You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?
The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.
Best regards,
- CCP Blam!
If they were so worried about new players, why not make matchmaking important instead of punishing players for playing the game right? |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.19 07:37:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Cosgar wrote:Just so we're all on the same page, this is one of many things wrong with tanks: LinkCCP Blam! wrote:Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.
You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?
The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.
Best regards,
- CCP Blam! If they were so worried about new players, why not make matchmaking important instead of punishing players for playing the game right? Nice post man.... but what I am not understanding..or perhaps I am...since they "nerfed" tanks/ vehicles, and have not given more "slots" and a more enriched experience for the "more skilled" players....thatn shouldn't that be what the forum is filled with... not the nerfing of AV?
Just another lost battle that went forgotten and buried. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.19 07:45:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:it was not forgotten... you pulled it right up...I would be posting that all day
I did, but like everything else, it got buried by the usual FotM QQ and doomsday **** posts on here. Maybe you'd have better luck than me. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:56:00 -
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ITT: Non-tankers saying tanks are fine because they're so easy to destroy, but complain about alpha strike infantry weapons that kill them fast on foot. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:04:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Imperfect= reason why tanks was unstopable before .... with the crying the forums was filled with daily about tanks being underpowered 8 months ago...smh. glad they do not control the forums or game anymore for that matter.. wait till my "crutch" Unfair advantage KB/M video comes out here real soon and exposes that poop.. tears will flow
Imperfect or not, he has a point. You literally made a 4 minute middle-finger to an entire playstyle choice and threw more fuel onto the fire as to why this game has degraded from infantry and vehicle combat to infantry combat and overpriced coffins. I usually like your videos and your point of view on what's going on in game, but this one left a bad taste in my mouth. Adding insult to injury, you're using one of the best assault suits for AV weapons, not grenades, but actual AV weapons... |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:11:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Cosgar wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Imperfect= reason why tanks was unstopable before .... with the crying the forums was filled with daily about tanks being underpowered 8 months ago...smh. glad they do not control the forums or game anymore for that matter.. wait till my "crutch" Unfair advantage KB/M video comes out here real soon and exposes that poop.. tears will flow Imperfect or not, he has a point. You literally made a 4 minute middle-finger to an entire playstyle choice and threw more fuel onto the fire as to why this game has degraded from infantry and vehicle combat to infantry combat and overpriced coffins. I usually like your videos and your point of view on what's going on in game, but this one left a bad taste in my mouth. Adding insult to injury, you're using one of the best assault suits for AV weapons, not grenades, but actual AV weapons... Did you not say that tanks are broken? Not av? The guy in the video that i destroyed has the same mentality that 60-75% of tank drivers..rush the red dot... ok, tank go boom.
Why should you care what's wrong with tanks? You said it yourself- "This isn't world of tanks." |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:29:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Cosgar wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Cosgar wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Imperfect= reason why tanks was unstopable before .... with the crying the forums was filled with daily about tanks being underpowered 8 months ago...smh. glad they do not control the forums or game anymore for that matter.. wait till my "crutch" Unfair advantage KB/M video comes out here real soon and exposes that poop.. tears will flow Imperfect or not, he has a point. You literally made a 4 minute middle-finger to an entire playstyle choice and threw more fuel onto the fire as to why this game has degraded from infantry and vehicle combat to infantry combat and overpriced coffins. I usually like your videos and your point of view on what's going on in game, but this one left a bad taste in my mouth. Adding insult to injury, you're using one of the best assault suits for AV weapons, not grenades, but actual AV weapons... Did you not say that tanks are broken? Not av? The guy in the video that i destroyed has the same mentality that 60-75% of tank drivers..rush the red dot... ok, tank go boom. Why should you care what's wrong with tanks? You said it yourself- "This isn't world of tanks." I shouldnt care that you are acting like a hypocrite jumping on the av is op bandwagon by letting the fact that tanks are underpowered.. did you lay it to rest due to fear of rejection? I dont mind speaking my mind... Try teaching your tank brothers how to drive a tank
So you pop a noob sica, and you're suddenly an expert on vehicle balance? Did you celebrate after that video by punching babies and drowning kittens?
OP, UP does it matter anymore? The whole goddamned balanced is off and goading on a neglected portion of a player base isn't exactly the best thing to do. Even more so, resorting to personal attacks doesn't help whatever point you're trying to make.
You're free to speak your mind and have whatever opinion you want, but there's going to be people that disagree with you and the people you side with might not be the people you want to be around.
This is a tired subject and until 1.4-1.5, it's not even worth having because it's the same thing over, and over, and over again until ad nauseum. Seriously, how many topics about tanks from an infantryman's narrow, xenophobic point of view have we had in the past month? Why not do something different and make a video of yourself actually tanking and see how easy it is? |
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:55:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:@cosgar... what ever keeps your forum popularity up brother and keeps you in good graces with the ppowers that be.. "dont let it get buried and let it die" vs the band wagon.
Not sure what my number of likes has to do with this. I'm just stating my opinion just like you're stating yours. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.08.20 04:30:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:AV nades are fine.
Situation 1: Enemy infantry getting to close? Hes not a suicide bomber. Hes packing AV nades. Shoot at him, of course i know how hard it must be to kill a 500 HP assault with your 8000HP tank, but do your best.
Situation 2: DONT GET fully into the city. Stay near the entrance to Avoid Prox mines and if you get shot or start getting hit by AV nades you can pull out fast. Infantry cant even keep up to your tank believe me. I know its tempting to go into cities to get a lot of kills and then whine on the forums when you get killed by AV nades because you were in an area you weren't SUPPOSED TO BE in the first place, but just , try....
Remember how bad the Core Flaylock was? Well, this is how bad Lai Dais are- and tanks don't even have prototype. Both situations are pretty much common sense, but when someone can spam these things in your general direction in a vehicle that requires acceleration to get to its top speed, there's no real way to defend yourself. |
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