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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.08.19 08:51:00 -
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People wouldn't be using AV grenades so much if regular AV did it's job. Just sayin'. 2 proto AVers (not AV grenadiers) can barely take out a really well fit tank right now, and these are STD tanks. Things are going to be ungodly stupid once ADV and PROTO tanks come back. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:18:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:^^^^ you cant expose things for what they REALLY are... or you get hated on :(
I'll volunteer my Minmatar basic if you change your mind, I'd love too see that lulz |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:44:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:lowratehitman wrote:^^^^ you cant expose things for what they REALLY are... or you get hated on :( I'll volunteer my Minmatar basic if you change your mind, I'd love too see that lulz I would really like to do that... this morning perhaps I will. Will you be on? I will prob have the both players use starter fits so it is a suit that anyone can relate to.... But I will get hate from all angles.... why do you think you have not seen a player spotlight on me? lol
I may be on after 8 CST. We can just make it an unfitted militia one and strafe dance in the base. I only have ds3, so you'll need to find someone else to do the kb/m. Type my corp name exactly how it's spelled under my avatar into the chat search to join our pub channel, that way you'll know without all this forum chatter when I make it on |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 11:45:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:'Why my tank shouldn't die to AV 'nades'
Whine whine whine my tank dies when I try to rush people instead of keeping my distance and dominating from safety, moan moan moan I hate using cover and planning escape routes, complain complain complain no one likes guarding my tank as a squad tactic because they find it boring so I have to try to solo everything 'cause no one wants to help me, whinge whinge whinge I'm not OP enough so that makes everything else OP
By Brokenrecord Kashuken, A.K.A. English Snake
Fixed that for ya' |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:34:00 -
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I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.
Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.
Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.
As do most tankers. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:21:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.
Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.
Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.
As do most tankers. You missed out half the story In 25secs i can run back to the redline What map, what mode, what tank, where were you, what route did he take, what did he do, did he just take off, did anything hit or did you think it hit etc etc etc Too many details missing so whats to make me think that you just didnt make it up on the spot to prove a point?
Ask him, I gave you his name. I didn't know you needed a story teller to recount the tale for you. Communications, madruger. Here's the map, follow along. I was at I6, he barrels into the city from I/J3, he kills me and 2-3 others while we're in a fire fight across the street between A & B, I respawn at K7 and he's at E12 shooting through the gap at G11 and rolling slowly my way. I move to the boxes at I7 and shoot a swarm as he rolls to about G9, he stops to shoot at me so I move and I toss 3 AV's from cover at the barrier at H8, he continues to creep towards me so I retreat to cover behind the boxes at I7 and manage to fire off 2 swarms, he realizes it's time to go, I'm at only 20 armor as I fire 1 more swarm at him and he rounds the corner out the west gate and circles around the back of the complex. And he's scott free.
The entire time I'm shooting at him, I've got 6 enemies across the street still trying to lob mass driver rounds at me and trying to toss cooked grenades at my feet, while he's busy killing people all around me. THIS is the life of an AV player. We focus on the task to get it done while the tanker laughs it off while mowing easily through 90% of their opposition only to beat an easy retreat once things look dicey. We get mangled and our K/D suffers greatly from it, but we focus on you. That's why you have a hard time with us. We focus on you to the exclusion of all else and that, not our weapons, is what makes us dangerous. Give me a light "skill" weapon that actually WORKS against vehicles, I'll be there. But the plasma cannon is a joke of an AV weapon and people shouldn't have to spec into heavies just to run decent AV, so until I have said weapon in my hands, you'll keep your hands off of my swarms. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:24:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:sixteensixty4 wrote:I'll be the first to say that AV can be slightly overwhelming at times, but if you loose your tank to av nades, then you probably deserve it, to close to infantry for too long
probably not running in a squad either with no gunners in your other turrets
I called in about 20 tanks yesterday (no rails) over about 30 games and didnt loose one, its not impossible, just you shouldnt sit still in one place for to long Tanks for the honesty!
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:35:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I JUST NOW finished a match. Tanker name-KAMAKAZE DRIVER. I hit him with 3 AV grenades and 4 proto swarms in the space of approximately 25 seconds, his tank survived and he got away. 3 back to back AV grenades to start things off and 4 back to back proficiency 5 Wyrikomi swarms fired as fast as you can lock on.
Those 25 seconds were all he needed to get to where I couldn't reach him or aim at him to kill his tank and he could repp in complete safety. Not that he needed to, the match ended as soon as he got to safety.
Why don't you go ask him how he runs his tank, because by your accounts you obviously can't keep a tank alive through all of that. He can and did.
As do most tankers. You missed out half the story In 25secs i can run back to the redline What map, what mode, what tank, where were you, what route did he take, what did he do, did he just take off, did anything hit or did you think it hit etc etc etc Too many details missing so whats to make me think that you just didnt make it up on the spot to prove a point? Ask him, I gave you his name. I didn't know you needed a story teller to recount the tale for you. Communications, madruger. Here's the map, follow along. I was at I6, he barrels into the city from I/J3, he kills me and 2-3 others while we're in a fire fight across the street between A & B, I respawn at K7 and he's at E12 shooting through the gap at G11 and rolling slowly my way. I move to the boxes at I7 and shoot a swarm as he rolls to about G9, he stops to shoot at me so I move and I toss 3 AV's from cover at the barrier at H8, he continues to creep towards me so I retreat to cover behind the boxes at I7 and manage to fire off 2 swarms, he realizes it's time to go, I'm at only 20 armor as I fire 1 more swarm at him and he rounds the corner out the west gate and circles around the back of the complex. And he's scott free. What tank? if its shield it can take some punishment from swarms at least, armor is a diff story But why swarms in the compound? why not a nanohive and instant gibbing with AV nades? Only way i can think is that you missed with AV nades dont know how but you missed and not all swarms hit it and they maybe hit the box if you tried the jump out lock fire back in cover
A. As I said, Madruger
B. The reason for not spamming AV's, as I mentioned above, is that the tank was coming closer to my cover and I had 6 mad mass driver nuts spamming rounds towards me. Tossing a hive and setting up shop in those conditions is not idea, I'm lucky I managed to toss the 3 I had. It's part of the perils of having no primary weapon when you run AV, you can't fight back across streets like that effectively.
C. Every swarm I shot connected though a single missile of the last swarm I fired nicked the barrier around the door as he was leaving.
D. He had right at 1700 armor left as he was leaving the city, I was watching his health the whole time I was trying to finish him off.
As I said, ask him. If he still remembers, we're sitting here dwelling on it and he's prolly moved on through another 10 matches by now. The longer you wait, the better the chance he'll forget the whole match lol |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:52:00 -
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Sorry lowrate, I had a medical emergency this morning and had to make a trip to the hospital. I'll have to catch you some other time |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:20:00 -
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Ninjanomyx wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Ninjanomyx wrote:lowratehitman wrote:The reason that I am able to take advantage of these tanks on the battlefield is not due to my OP av grenades, it is due to the mentality of 60-75 % of the tank drivers currently in Dust 514. If they see a red dot on the mini map, they instantly charge for the kill, and opposed to what some will lead you to believe, the reason that mentality is there is due to tankers being allowed to Rambo the field and not encounter av grenades. ( They poop their pants when they actually do bum rush a AV grenadier) Back in the day, dominant tank drivers was known by name due to their skills and due to the squad that they carry as protection, imagine that, a tank squad. In the video below when you read the comment section you will hear various excuses for the tank driver in question.... all the way to blaming me for not telling the accurate shield and armor #'s. In the video AV grenade community....... If this is how you kill your tanks, please express so. I do not even have to chase tanks anymore, once I am a red dot on their mini map.... they come to me :) Dust 514 : Why My AV Grenades Dominate Tanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axvE-844Hw You need to go back to CoD..... Your "Smug" is stinkin' up the place. The manner in which you present yourself in this Video is the exact reason why the Forums are "Toxic".....b/c an ignoramus spouting extremely biased, nonsensical gibberish, induces the urge to point & shoot your face.....but alas all we have is Text. You AV Naded a MLT Shield Tank to death, Solo, with PRO AV Nades..... Let's get down to "Brass Tax" here: 1. Shield Tanks lost a TON of Acceleration (Technically "Traded" with Armor Tanks.....), hence the Tanker "Seeming" to stand still. Pre-Uprising AV was still a tad "Broken".....but at least it was escapable. This is why a Shield Tank isn't viable for anything but Redline Sniping (& even then.....not so much). 2. Armor Tanks are what you see surviving your Solo AV Nade Spamohive Rush.....and this is ONLY if they are Full Shield, notice you @ least after the 1st hit (If not before), and are extremely proficient @ quickly reacting with the now "Broken" Radial UI. The Radial UI used to feel fluid, but is now a slow.....clunky mess. Also note if you are Soloing a "Well-Fit" Armor HAV with any AV Weapon right now.....it shows a TERRIBLE Imbalance ala "Power Creep". The Repair Modules are OP "Broken", AV still may Solo something that is OP "Broken", thus Logic dictates that OP Armor Tanks are UP to AV, hence AV is OP in its current state. 3. We have to deal with Terrain deviating our shots, even if the Recticle states a Direct LOS, hence further difficulty in combating vs AV. Couple this with Draw Distance Issues & the inability to look up past 35 Degrees and you have a recipe for disaster..... 4. The Terrain often "R*pes" our survivability before most engagements. A Shield Tank essentially kills itself before entering most areas thanks to this terrible Design Flaw (1mph + Pebble/Divot = Suicide). 5. Price-Point makes Tanking the 2nd least desirable Role (Dropships WIN.....but they often just MLT to get to a Tower for AV "Fun".....so F**K them!!!) A Stock-Fit MLT Tank may cost you the entire match in ISK Loss. So....those "Learning" to Tank are SOL (As you so kindly display in your Video). And anyone claiming they should be able to Solo a Tank is basically a F**KING HYPOCRITE. How do you expect a Tanker to "Survive" at this Price-Point??? Our best "Logical" Fit runs 1.5 Mil STD & 2.5 Mil ENF (LOL.....ENF). So as a selfishly ignorant AVer (AV LOL-Nader I should say.....), you are basically stating a Catch 22 for Tankers, and a Conundrum overall..... If "Properly Skilled" AVers should Solo a HAV then HAV should Never Die. This is the "Logic-Loop" you so kindly "Deflected". It takes 5-10 Matches (On Average) to Recoup a SINGLE Tank Loss, at STD Level..... So, by "Definition", you (Solo AV Nadetard) should be able to Set Back a Tanker every single Match, for 5-15 Matches.....INGENIOUS!!!! You knowingly display great pride in killing off an entire Playstyle Choice, killing Player Retension while trashing a Sica for Lulz, and doing so with no understanding of the "Other Side of the Fence"..... I've done it all for the most part & can objectively view the perspectives, but you....on the other hand, are an Irrelevant CoDboi with little understanding of the repercussions of what youDisplay/Advocate. Congratulations on being 1 of the causes behind the Forum Community's "Toxcicity".....  And who are you? Oh an imperfect... no forum toxicicity there..get a life brother...tank go boom! You have NEVER popped one of my Tanks (FACT), so your "Retort" is nullified due to insufficient data. You also show a "Racism-esque" Bias by generalizing those under a "Tag", akin to every Middle-Eastern being a "Terrorist". You have no way to depreciate the value of my Factual Statements, hence the degradation of your presented "Retort" into your rather typical Redneck Banter. You are now the DUST 514 Honey Boo Boo
I have popped your tank, without a single grenade thrown I might add. Me & Minivan Survivor be dual swarmin' it all DAY! Or at least until the next respec lol. So, as a favor for someone who has, please never compare anyone to Honey Boo Boo ever again. Ever. No one should ever stoop so low as to make such a comparison. This is the internet, not some western cantina where you can just say whatever you want.
Back on topic, point is that you are lacing everything with insults rather than having a calm discussion, and this is the toxicity he is referring to you bringing to the forums. And..... if I recall correctly..... there is a list of rules somewhere that kinda says your not supposed to do that stuff. Ya' know, in case you forgot. |
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.08.20 08:32:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Shokhann Echo wrote:just out of curiosity, what the hell restarted al the fuss about av/tnks a few days ago anyway? I mean, 1.5 still wont be here for another month or so, so what the hell caused this uproar to begin with? Near as I can figure one guy got blown up one time to many so made a butt hurt thread, others told him he was tripping, and then the rest of the tankers were awoken from their slumber to QQ up a storm thats been going on for a few days
Isn't that always the way... someone gets fed up (whether justifyably so or not), starts whinging, then everyone in the world with the slightest chip on their shoulder from the subject will form a line to rehash the same crap over and over and over and over and OVER. |
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Posted - 2013.08.20 09:25:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Xender17 wrote:Av grenades provide equal capabilities of all level of swarms.
Seriously... 1 grenade v 6 missiles? swarms still lose? ok.. swarm launcher across the map fired vs AV grenades at throwing distance... which user is at a greater risk? the bigger the risk... the bigger the reward
I would agree with you if there were separate skill trees for each type of grenade, but being able to specc into all 3 grenade types at once with only one skill to get your maximum effectiveness with all 3 grenades isn't very fair when you have to specc into 5 skills to get maximum effectiveness with an AV weapon.
I feel that if they made it so there was at least 1 skill per grenade type it would be a little fairer, also I believe that giving grenades less damage and a skill that increases their damage output would even things out nicely. That way you actually have to put in work to make those grenades worth while.
I agree that AV nades are fine, I just think that they should require a bit of work, just like every other piece of high end gear, to be as effective as they are. |
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