Also, I can't help feeling that it's kind of neat that there are areas only dropships can reach. They're otherwise the most long-suffering vehicle in the game.

If someone can't be bothered to call in a dropship of their own,

but, why would you use a dropship when there is a ladder?

Sense Orbital strikes now land on these high areas that is a extremely effective way to counter it, Or fly a drop ship up there yourselves, you may say, "But he got forge gun i can't do it" Sneak around behind him, get teammates to distract him.

I think the problem at present is that the aforementioned perches are large enough that they provide cover from sniper fire, overlook objectives and can easily defend itself from a dropship. Yes it means they are not on an objective, but it allows 1 guy to be virtually unassailable.

This identifies 2 significant causes, 1st, the dropship has no defence from a forgegun on a roof top. 2nd It is too easy to cover an objective without being visible to countersniping.

Like I said, it's not 100% safe. Not even close. You put stairs and ladders everywhere, people are just going to snipe from the redzone.

Try counter-forge gunning, or landing/crashing a dropship onto/into them. Or use a railgun installation. Or just ignore them and go about the rest of the match. Putting stairs or ladders up to there just means they'll have someone parked at the top, with that same proto forge gun trained on it, or maybe some REs.

I've dealt with this same issue. I either leave them be and try to deal with accessible enemies, or I spend the entire match forcing them to stay away from the edge, thus being unable to exploit their elevated position. I might not kill them, but they'll have a much harder time killing anyone else.

Yes, I'd love to so people sabotaging the rooftops, would make the game a lot more dynamic.

And do you feel a sense of fulfillment, a success if you will, by sitting there and non-lethally counter sniping? In all honesty that question is really determined by opinion; some people do find it fulfilling.

I personally don't but find fulfillment in shooting people in the back when they believe they are high above the danger. That is where my fulfillment lies and the only sane means of doing that is via ground access (as previous stated dropship charges are suicidal). These measures do not prevent you from non-lethal countersniping, and open me up to back-shooting. It's a win-win.

See a Four man heavy squad with rep nanohives down on a roof, you're not going to get rid of them and because they're killing you, they're the one with the OB, not you.

I feel there should be more accessibility to roof tops, Ladders, additional walkways and stairs would be nice. And to combat the "BUT THEY'LL USE THEM IN THE RED LINE" argument, don't place said structures in the red line :)

No, because it robs those players of a well-earned position and already balanced strategy by giving easy access to people without the skill to get up there the same way. And let's be honest; the point of the stairs/ladder idea was never to ADD anything to the gameplay, it was to make things harder for snipers.

Yes, there are already people sniping from behind the redline. But if this is implemented and perches are compromised, a great deal MORE people will be doing it. People with actual skill, and it will be a LOT more frustrating.

People need to understand, you're never going to convince snipers to run headfirst into the fray, or to put down their sniper rifles and pick up ARs by breaking their tactics and strategies.

No one is saying they'll use those structures in the redline. They'll just snipe and forge gun from the redline rather than the rooftop.

If they can shoot down, you can shoot up...problem solved

Speaking from experience, when you see a group of enemy players sniping from a tower when only one or two are needed, that gives you a fairly significant advantage on the ground.

I think they should add a few more access ladders but still maintain a few towers/buildings with no ground to roof access via stairs or ladders. We still need some Drop Ship landings available.

I think what needs to be more looked at is where our current ladders are placed because there is some seriuosly dumb areas where ladders lead to a small useless section of the roof/building. Better yet fix the roof so there is less of those annoying non jumpable metal sheets all over the place. I don't mind walls and barriers but it makes the roof look like a scrap yard with thin metals walls all over. Game could use some nice perche ballconies, or interactive access points (elevators).

It's come to everyone's attention that people fly dropships onto buildings; tall, medium, and the sorts, and use forge guns and sniper rifles from this great height advantage. This is a minor issue.

One thing that's not cool is that these areas are accessible only by dropship. This means that in order to deal with these roof-dwellers, you must risk going up in a dropship and expend just as much, just to remove a thorn in your side. Now that doesn't sound a whole lotta wrong but it's easier said than done. It could take a dozen dropships to finally evade forges from that rooftop.

However I sure as hell don't want to remove rooftop warfare from the game, that would be totally gremlin stunt. No, to address this weird minor issue that kind of paints the game a little more ugly, is by map development that increases availability of roofs by the ground.

For example, on Communications I believe a small spiral staircase could give access to a catwalk on the first section of the large structure (D+E 5-7) On the upper portion of the structure, a couple ladders could lead down to the catwalks giving all-roof access to the building. This is just an example to portray means of increasing roof access and overall flavor.

Thumbs up?

See a Four man heavy squad with rep nanohives down on a roof, you're not going to get rid of them and because they're killing you, they're the one with the OB, not you.

I feel there should be more accessibility to roof tops, Ladders, additional walkways and stairs would be nice. And to combat the "BUT THEY'LL USE THEM IN THE RED LINE" argument, don't place said structures in the red line :)

Heavies dont have equipment slots so 4 heavies would not have 1 nanohive or a repair tool among them.

The most simplistic tactic i have seen is to take a dropship fly really high up and drop a 4 man squad on the forgegunners head. He has a lot of issues seeing and shooting at you if you stay nice and high since those guns have no zoom and inaccurate sights to start with. Maybe you will kill him by simply having a squad mate land on him.

If we have to deal with ladders and stairways, we better get anti-infantry proxy mines.

Or you can upgrade your Scan Precision and Range

Those don't make a sniper rifle viable at -20m.

It's come to everyone's attention that people fly dropships onto buildings; tall, medium, and the sorts, and use forge guns and sniper rifles from this great height advantage. This is a minor issue.

One thing that's not cool is that these areas are accessible only by dropship. This means that in order to deal with these roof-dwellers, you must risk going up in a dropship and expend just as much, just to remove a thorn in your side. Now that doesn't sound a whole lotta wrong but it's easier said than done. It could take a dozen dropships to finally evade forges from that rooftop.

However I sure as hell don't want to remove rooftop warfare from the game, that would be totally gremlin stunt. No, to address this weird minor issue that kind of paints the game a little more ugly, is by map development that increases availability of roofs by the ground.

For example, on Communications I believe a small spiral staircase could give access to a catwalk on the first section of the large structure (D+E 5-7) On the upper portion of the structure, a couple ladders could lead down to the catwalks giving all-roof access to the building. This is just an example to portray means of increasing roof access and overall flavor.

Thumbs up?

On Line Harvest, the sky scrapers and the DS flight ceiling are equal, meaning that you are only like what, 8 meters above them.

Very few escaped the concentrated proto sniper fire.

You were using proto snipers and still didn't manage to annihilate everybody?

You're saying that we should be able to take out prototype heavy suits - which are specifically designed to soak up massive amounts of damage - with one or two shots? While that sounds like it could be fun, it wouldn't be fair to the heavys.

Those that survived on the tower were the ones who would pop up, fire a random shot and duck back into cover (and not all of them escaped). Those who tried to help the team by staying still long enough to aim were dropped quickly. Two people from one squad managed to ruin (what has been called in this thread) a near unbeatable strategy.

People keep saying things like, 'what I would do.' As a wise man once said: "There is no 'I' in 'team'!" Part of a good team-based game is specialities; if you're not good at a particular task, find someone who is. If you try to do everything yourself of course you're not going to have fun.

Line Harvest, Skirmish:
The enemy team and I had set uplinks on opposing towers (East-West). The enemy spawned in a few snipers and called in a tank. I was able to handle the snipers and keep the tank's attention focused on me, so a couple of others from my squad called in a dropship on the ground, flew up behind the tower, hopped out, destroyed the tank and cleared out the uplinks.

lol
This thread is loaded with a lot of "killing tower and rooftop snipers/forge gunners" is too hard.

If a sniper can't fight you in CQC, it's "tough luck, that is a sniper's weakness and i'm entitled to exploit it".
Yet when you can't fight a sniper in CQC it's all of a sudden, "it's not fair that i can't reach him. that is imbalanced. i should be able to exploit his weakness, and he shouldn't be able to exploit mine."
Fk that selfish, hypocritical nonsense, disguised as logic.

Snipers already got 'nerfed' by the damage profile changes. It's also much easier to get to the top of towers now in Uprising.

Also, you can orbital tower tops now!! WOW!
FFS....

This is precisely the kind of BS feedback I wish CCP would ignore.

No, this does not work. I've been there right by the heavies and some fool took a DS up to us like twice. Lost both. On Line Harvest, the sky scrapers and the DS flight ceiling are equal, meaning that you are only like what, 8 meters above them.

And this is precisely the type of negative criticism of ideas I've come to expect from the users of this forum, but alas, I'm still here.

You simply can't say this isn't logical. If a sniper is sitting on a mountain, can we not run behind or around to take them out on foot? To point out once more the flaw in the arguments of those against this idea: Calling a dropship when there are forge gunners up top is nigh impossible on some maps, completely impossible on others.

If the sniper gets caught in CQC then he should be at the disadvantage, same as if a soldier gets caught out in the open the sniper should have the advantage. If a soldier is good enough to get into CQC with a sniper without dying then that soldier did a good job at avoiding detection and staying alive.

All we're asking is for a way for everything to counter everything like it should be, and currently the only way to counter a sniper is to be a sniper. My tactics shouldn't be limited by my skills or skill levels, only my creativity and wit.

What you're saying is similar to: Only a tank should be able to take out a tank.

There is bound to be negative reaction to this thread and it's topic, and I am happy that you expect it, and don't take it personally. That is precisely the level of forum warrior I've come to expect from those that brave the Feedback/Requests section of these forums.

I agree when you say that both assaultman and sniper have their disadvantages and advantages and they should be at each other's mercy if the circumstances permit.

All too often, the circumstances do NOT permit the sniper to exploit the weakness of the assaultman, and this is true for good reason. If sniping could be done with absolute ease and perfection on every map, it would cancel the existence of the assaultman. (Example: Replication-era and Chromosome-era Manus' Peak.)

However, the advantage of the assaultman is his ability to flank and CQC. Therefore, if you make being an assaultman something that can be done with absolute ease and perfection on every map (by adding stairs and ladders to every high point), it would cancel the existence of the sniper.

Just as you have sniper teams elite enough to totally lock down a tower; you have assault teams that are elite enough to totally lock down every point accessible by ladder and stair.
Let another role exist.
Not every sniper and forge gunner is an Overwatch sniper and forge gunner.

I'm torn.

On the one hand, I agree: it's kind of annoying. It's especially annoying when you've got a heavy with an Ishukone Forge effectively covering an objective such that anyone who tries to hack gets obliterated.

On the other hand, the tallest areas have absolutely no cover aside from sheer height, require positioning at or near the edge to be able to effectively fire down, and can be effectively covered by snipers on just about any point of the map. Even the aforementioned Ishukone heavy is going to have trouble covering that objective when somebody keeps trying to split his melon with a charged sniper flechette. The highest points aren't so much of a problem for thems as lacks dropships as they are for thems as lacks decent snipers. Sure, you have to have get somebody to take time off from doing more "productive" things to go hassle a high-altitude heavy or two, but it's imminently doable. You just have to make the time.

Also, I can't help feeling that it's kind of neat that there are areas only dropships can reach. They're otherwise the most long-suffering vehicle in the game.

I will reiterate the defining point: Snipers can only be trumped by snipers. This is not balance.

It's come to everyone's attention that people fly dropships onto buildings; tall, medium, and the sorts, and use forge guns and sniper rifles from this great height advantage. This is a minor issue.

One thing that's not cool is that these areas are accessible only by dropship. This means that in order to deal with these roof-dwellers, you must risk going up in a dropship and expend just as much, just to remove a thorn in your side. Now that doesn't sound a whole lotta wrong but it's easier said than done. It could take a dozen dropships to finally evade forges from that rooftop.

However I sure as hell don't want to remove rooftop warfare from the game, that would be totally gremlin stunt. No, to address this weird minor issue that kind of paints the game a little more ugly, is by map development that increases availability of roofs by the ground.

For example, on Communications I believe a small spiral staircase could give access to a catwalk on the first section of the large structure (D+E 5-7) On the upper portion of the structure, a couple ladders could lead down to the catwalks giving all-roof access to the building. This is just an example to portray means of increasing roof access and overall flavor.

Thumbs up?

The same can be said for many things in this game. Right now it's a very broken version of 'rock paper scissors'. A true counter to something should never be itself.

This thread is loaded with a lot of "killing tower and rooftop snipers/forge gunners" is too hard.

If a sniper can't fight you in CQC, it's "tough luck, that is a sniper's weakness and i'm entitled to exploit it".
Yet when you can't fight a sniper in CQC it's all of a sudden, "it's not fair that i can't reach him. that is imbalanced. i should be able to exploit his weakness, and he shouldn't be able to exploit mine."
Fk that selfish, hypocritical nonsense, disguised as logic.

This thread in a nutshell. Militia Dropships only cost 70k ISK, require no skills trained to fly, and can get you there pretty fast.

If you can't be bothered to fly up there, land, then spray and pray with your AR until you get a kill, then you deserve to get sniped over and over.

If you can't be bothered to load the FREE SNIPER FIT and suppress them, you deserve to get blown to bits by blue balls of death.

If you can't be bothered to work as a team, you deserve to die alone.

Someone said something about how everything is supposed to counter everything.

Please keep your homogenous CODpulp out, thank you.

This again is not an issue of unbeatable tactics. Its an issue of tactics being unbeatable by non-tactics.

How in the f-¦ck could you even be so massively self entitled to a right of beating others in their game?
The bunch-o-protos on the roof ruin your day?

Ruin theirs.

They managed to get a tactical advantage, then manage to keep the tactical advantage. Do something about it.
If you cant kill them, make them bleed.

There is a whole coordinated squad on the rooftop, guess what counters a well coordinated team on a rooftop?
A well coordinated drop on said rooftop. A well coordinated countersniping measure. A well coordinated heavy ordinance bombardement.
Notice a pattern there? The "well coordinated" part is what you-¦re looking for.

You got sh!t gear? Put on your face paint, soldier, you get to try way harder than them. Been there done that.
You got sh!t tactics? Tough f-¦cking luck, bite the pillow since you refuse to learn and adapt. You are the reason pubstomping happens.

Do not expect the game to win itself for you, especially not against other players. Especially not those who seek self-esteem through protostomping.

One thing that's not cool is that these areas are accessible only by dropship.

Someone said something about how everything is supposed to counter everything.

Please keep your homogenous CODpulp out, thank you.

This again is not an issue of unbeatable tactics. Its an issue of tactics being unbeatable by non-tactics.

How in the f-¦ck could you even be so massively self entitled to a right of beating others in their game?
The bunch-o-protos on the roof ruin your day?

Ruin theirs.

They managed to get a tactical advantage, then manage to keep the tactical advantage. Do something about it.
If you cant kill them, make them bleed.

There is a whole coordinated squad on the rooftop, guess what counters a well coordinated team on a rooftop?
A well coordinated drop on said rooftop. A well coordinated countersniping measure. A well coordinated heavy ordinance bombardement.
Notice a pattern there? The "well coordinated" part is what you-¦re looking for.

You got sh!t gear? Put on your face paint, soldier, you get to try way harder than them. Been there done that.
You got sh!t tactics? Tough f-¦cking luck, bite the pillow since you refuse to learn and adapt. You are the reason pubstomping happens.

Do not expect the game to win itself for you, especially not against other players. Especially not those who are better than you.

Now answer this:
- How many ways are there to kill a sniper?

1. Countersnipe
2. Forgegun to the face
3. Plasma Cannon to the teeth.
4. Fly-by.
5. Zerg-drop
6. Railsniping.
7. Rocket barrage
8. Orbital Bombardement.

You want me to continue?

I believe the point he was making was that you can kill other infantry and/or vehicles more easily than you can kill snipers, not that there aren't ways to kill snipers. Hell, all of those you listed work just as well on assault guys, although it's just sniping when you guys do it.

1. Countersnipe
2. Forgegun to the face
3. Plasma Cannon to the teeth.
4. Fly-by.
5. Zerg-drop
6. Railsniping.
7. Rocket barrage
8. Orbital Bombardement.

You want me to continue?

Please do, considering none of those other than OB and counter sniping actually work in practice:

- Good luck getting a forge gun or plasma cannon to hit anyone on top of a tower.
- Good luck getting the elevation required to rail snipe.
- Same for rocket barrage.

A fly by can and has worked before for counter snipers, but a forge gun can take out your flying, noisy pinata before it can even be dropped, so tactics four and five don't count.

This is about addressing both problems at the same time, not just about addressing snipers.

Sorry but you've just proved my point.

A whole sniper team can hold down a tower. Think about that tower for a minute - how did the snipers get up there? I bet they didn't rappel from a helicopter onto the roof. If they did, I think all buildings in existence have roof access and they should in the future. It shouldn't be the case the one sniper and one forge gunner can lock down a tower, but that they need to cover their weaknesses by packing good sidearms or bringing good soldiers to cover the stairs.

Right now they don't need ths soldiers, but for you to take them out you need the snipers. That is not balanced.

I will reiterate the defining point: Snipers can only be trumped by snipers. This is not balance.

As a sniper, these rooftops with a drop uplink on them are a feeding frenzy for me. Unless I'm against a team I don't take seriously at all, I won't go on top of those rooftops. One good sniper can clear these rooftops off or at the very least keep them pinned down. Trying to say you have to have ground access to these rooftops would be like saying you have to make snipers have a viable kill option in CQC like quick scoping. Give me an instakill melee with the butt of my sniper and I'll support your idea.

Exactly. One broken idea begets another broken idea.

At this rate, sniper rifles will have to work exactly as they do in Battlefield 3 to be viable options.... No sway, super fast semi-auto fire, and an ACOG scope.

lmao imagine a Thale's with an ACOG scope... jeez... and they cry about imbalance when the sniper rifle is being used properly? lol

What are you both on?

Give me a single building in existence that has no ground access. This whole thread is about making snipers worry about being hit in the back, like they should be.

- Good luck getting a forge gun or plasma cannon to hit anyone on top of a tower.

Just because YOU can't get them to work, doesn't mean that they don't.

It's come to everyone's attention that people fly dropships onto buildings; tall, medium, and the sorts, and use forge guns and sniper rifles from this great height advantage. This is a minor issue.

One thing that's not cool is that these areas are accessible only by dropship. This means that in order to deal with these roof-dwellers, you must risk going up in a dropship and expend just as much, just to remove a thorn in your side. Now that doesn't sound a whole lotta wrong but it's easier said than done. It could take a dozen dropships to finally evade forges from that rooftop.

However I sure as hell don't want to remove rooftop warfare from the game, that would be totally gremlin stunt. No, to address this weird minor issue that kind of paints the game a little more ugly, is by map development that increases availability of roofs by the ground.

For example, on Communications I believe a small spiral staircase could give access to a catwalk on the first section of the large structure (D+E 5-7) On the upper portion of the structure, a couple ladders could lead down to the catwalks giving all-roof access to the building. This is just an example to portray means of increasing roof access and overall flavor.

Thumbs up?

Give me a single building in existence that has no ground access.

My house doesn't have a ladder or staircase to the roof. And I used to live in a two story house that didn't either.

Sense Orbital strikes now land on these high areas that is a extremely effective way to counter it, Or fly a drop ship up there yourselves, you may say, "But he got forge gun i can't do it" Sneak around behind him, get teammates to distract him.

Sorry but you've just proved my point.

A whole sniper team can hold down a tower. Think about that tower for a minute - how did the snipers get up there? I bet they didn't rappel from a helicopter onto the roof. If they did, I think all buildings in existence have roof access and they should in the future. It shouldn't be the case the one sniper and one forge gunner can lock down a tower, but that they need to cover their weaknesses by packing good sidearms or bringing good soldiers to cover the stairs.

Right now they don't need ths soldiers, but for you to take them out you need the snipers. That is not balanced.

I will reiterate the defining point: Snipers can only be trumped by snipers. This is not balance.

I disagree with this... they made a strategic move... now its you're move

you have four choices
A) ignore them
B) Snipe them
C) go to them via dropship
D) beat them to it (you make the strategic move first)

they aren't breaking any rules, they aren't going anyplace that you cant get to yourself, their team did it and yours didnt, its that simple... if they aren't breaking the rules or exploiting a mistake in code, then then adapt or die

How is sniper vs sniper not balanced lol camping or not how isn't it balanced? Seriously re-read what you said. Read it out loud and listen to how dumb this post is . If I'm a sniper and I'm far as hell hidden or camping. I wouldn't want to be taken out by any other gun than a sniper. Because it's the only gun that can take you out from that far besides the forge gun.

Let me give you a tip brosikis.
Tip of your lifetime.

Assuming there is a whole squad up on a roof . Assuming they are well coordinated.

You know what that means?

It means there is one less capable squad on the ground. Let the thought sink in.

One less capable squad on the ground means its time to play ball.

The enemy team willingly traded its focused offensive power for unfocused defensive power.

It takes say 2 long range capable players at worst to keep that roof in check.

This makes room for a total of 4 people more on your team able to take and/or hold points.

This is an enormous tradeoff.

Use your brain, cease the opportunity to zerg and ninja the objectives.
Play ball.

GÇ£Tactics that only work in PCGÇ¥

Line Harvest, Domination:
An enemy squad placed uplinks on the N.E. tower and spawned with some proto forge guns. While the rest of the our team handled the ground troops, another sniper and I (located on the ground) shot anyone who poked their head out on the tower. Very few escaped the concentrated proto sniper fire.

Line Harvest, Skirmish:
The enemy team and I had set uplinks on opposing towers (East-West). The enemy spawned in a few snipers and called in a tank. I was able to handle the snipers and keep the tank's attention focused on me, so a couple of others from my squad called in a dropship on the ground, flew up behind the tower, hopped out, destroyed the tank and cleared out the uplinks.

In one match a while back I was the only sniper in our squad when the enemy set up on a Line Harvest map tower. I was using an advanced tactical rifle and having trouble punching through their shields and armor before they could duck into cover to rep. So I told my team and our forge gunner (who was on the ground) turned his weapon towards them and started blasting the enemy off the tower anytime they tried to leave cover. Plus I myself have been blasted off the towers by ground-dwelling forge guns many times.

All of these happened in public matches.

- Rooftop snipers can only be taken out by other snipers.

- No building in existence has rooftop exclusive access.

Edit: Might I also clarify that I have recently started using this tactic because of this discussion, and although it's always fun to kill unsuspecting targets, it would be a lot better if I had to worry about someone shooting back.

Dropship, passengers jumping out of a dropship, forge gun and Precition Strike.


My house doesn't have a ladder built on the side or roof access from the inside. The place where I work doesn't either, and it's a two story building.


You haven't played against me.

I'll take the main point of rooftop access here and say:

I said exclusive. As in, no building in existence can only be accessed from the roof. What we have now is akin to having the front entrance to a 25 storey building on the 25th floor.

I thought the "problem" was people getting on top of the buildings, not inside.

I thought the "problem" was people getting on top of the buildings, not inside.

And this is precisely the type of negative criticism of ideas I've come to expect from the users of this forum, but alas, I'm still here.

You simply can't say this isn't logical. If a sniper is sitting on a mountain, can we not run behind or around to take them out on foot? To point out once more the flaw in the arguments of those against this idea: Calling a dropship when there are forge gunners up top is nigh impossible on some maps, completely impossible on others.

If the sniper gets caught in CQC then he should be at the disadvantage, same as if a soldier gets caught out in the open the sniper should have the advantage. If a soldier is good enough to get into CQC with a sniper without dying then that soldier did a good job at avoiding detection and staying alive.

All we're asking is for a way for everything to counter everything like it should be, and currently the only way to counter a sniper is to be a sniper. My tactics shouldn't be limited by my skills or skill levels, only my creativity and wit.

What you're saying is similar to: Only a tank should be able to take out a tank.

Only a tank should be able to take out a tank? Well there goes all our av gear lol. Please refrain from posting anymore sir

WTF, I return and to what....conspiracies.

Look! I do not want to:

• Nerf Snipers
• Nerf Forges
• Nerf Dropship Ceiling

All I want is to bring people to mortality. Right now as it is, in order to counter said pesky forges+sniper, all you have suggested:

• Skill into snipers
• Skill into Forges
• Learn to fly dropships *let's assume I don't already*
• Spend hundreds of thousands of ISK on said dropships

Those aren't reasonable answers damn it. I shouldn't have stoop to forges and snipers just to deal with forges and snipers, nor commit a thousand suicides attempting to fly up there.

All I want to do is introduce snipers/forges *who use the roofs* to a little something called danger. Snipers in other maps actually have to risk a little (outside of redzone) when they get a perch. Their roost can be approached by anyone. It makes it at least mildly fair for people using shotguns, Mass drivers, assault rifles, SMG's, the list goes on.

Too Long, I Did Not Read!

Grow something snipers and actually get on par with everyone else and experience some actual risk. No one should have such a major advantage over another team merely by the height they obtain. Rooftop sniping = I Win button over everything but other snipers. And it's still only a minor issue because snipers are a minority.

Edit: This comes out like mildly rage but only because you're all thinking I am out to get you. I could care little if this isn't dealt with I will continue to spam flux nades and mass driver to equal it out. I am not out to get you, but don't carry misconceptions or I will.

You agree then. snipers should not have to be killed by another sniper

You agree then, that snipers should not have to be killed by another sniper

Um? I killedl snipers with any shot guns, nova knife, smg, tac ar and other weapons. I don't think a sniper should only be able to take out a other sniper. Its war, everyman has to figure out a way to survive. What's the problem with that? snipers should be killed by anything. Same with everything else. One thing can't be immune to a other. Tanks get taken out by tanks, forge guns, swarm launchers etc. Snipers get taken out by what can reach them. Snipers take out what they can. etc. Got a prohlem with that?

Only a tank should be able to take out a tank? Well there goes all our av gear lol. Please refrain from posting anymore sir

A good sniper will notice the dropship being deployed and then plan ahead and kill you before you get into the ship.

Yup see a dropship being called in. wait till its nearly on top of you and call in a tank. pew pew its dead, recall back to sniping

You mean like how Snipers are currently outgunned by pretty much anyone else, unless they're on a roof, along the edges of the map, or behind the redline? Our scout suits can be shredded in one short burst from an AR and our rifles are useless inside 100m or so. If you get to beg for some stupid mechanic to allow you to easily engage a sniper in his element, where's the mechanic for sniper to easily engage grunts down on the field, or shotgunners and nova knifers in CQC? AND WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE OUR WEAPON/SUIT/EQIUIPMENT OR USE TEAMWORK, SINCE THAT'S OUT OF THE QUESTION?

Snipers are not supposed to be untouchable, yet you ask to keep it like that. Snipers are not outgunned by other guns, they are under-ranged by other guns. Sniping does not require teamwork so why should killing a sniper require teamwork.

Your assumption is that all snipers have to be in Redzones or on top of buildings where people can not reach them. That's just scaredy-pus gameplay, going only where other people won't hurt you

Also, it's a ladder for god's sake! It's not the end of the world! For all intents and purposes this would save snipers and forges a lot of money in risking dropships.

The mechanic that allows snipers to easily engage grunts is already there, it's the fricken rooftops! Hypocrisy 101.

PS: Get out of your scout suit if you are so concerned about ARs, Shotguns, and Knives Oh MY! No one has a scanning range of 100+ meters so slap on a heavy suit if you don't want to blow away.

@ Timothy Reaper: I know you are a top-o-the line sniper but I am not and no one is on team chat, no one responds to LFS very often these days, and I have nowhere near a prototype sniper. I can fly a DS but I've seen many a blueberry fail miserably, including myself due to Proto forges. My suggestion for ladders and walkways, all it does is remove the need to risk a dropship for snipers and ARs alike.

Edit: Might I also clarify that I have recently started using this tactic because of this discussion, and although it's always fun to kill unsuspecting targets, it would be a lot better if I had to worry about someone shooting me in the back.

But no plan should be so fool-proof.

...no one is on team chat, no one responds to LFS very often these days...

Yup see a dropship being called in. wait till its nearly on top of you and call in a tank. pew pew its dead, recall back to sniping