Sorry but you've just proved my point.

A whole sniper team can hold down a tower. Think about that tower for a minute - how did the snipers get up there? I bet they didn't rappel from a helicopter onto the roof. If they did, I think all buildings in existence have roof access and they should in the future. It shouldn't be the case the one sniper and one forge gunner can lock down a tower, but that they need to cover their weaknesses by packing good sidearms or bringing good soldiers to cover the stairs.

Right now they don't need ths soldiers, but for you to take them out you need the snipers. That is not balanced.

I will reiterate the defining point: Snipers can only be trumped by snipers. This is not balance.

I disagree with this... they made a strategic move... now its you're move

you have four choices
A) ignore them
B) Snipe them
C) go to them via dropship
D) beat them to it (you make the strategic move first)

they aren't breaking any rules, they aren't going anyplace that you cant get to yourself, their team did it and yours didnt, its that simple... if they aren't breaking the rules or exploiting a mistake in code, then then adapt or die

And this is precisely the type of negative criticism of ideas I've come to expect from the users of this forum, but alas, I'm still here.

You simply can't say this isn't logical. If a sniper is sitting on a mountain, can we not run behind or around to take them out on foot? To point out once more the flaw in the arguments of those against this idea: Calling a dropship when there are forge gunners up top is nigh impossible on some maps, completely impossible on others.

If the sniper gets caught in CQC then he should be at the disadvantage, same as if a soldier gets caught out in the open the sniper should have the advantage. If a soldier is good enough to get into CQC with a sniper without dying then that soldier did a good job at avoiding detection and staying alive.

All we're asking is for a way for everything to counter everything like it should be, and currently the only way to counter a sniper is to be a sniper. My tactics shouldn't be limited by my skills or skill levels, only my creativity and wit.

What you're saying is similar to: Only a tank should be able to take out a tank.

WTF, I return and to what....conspiracies.

Look! I do not want to:

• Nerf Snipers
• Nerf Forges
• Nerf Dropship Ceiling

All I want is to bring people to mortality. Right now as it is, in order to counter said pesky forges+sniper, all you have suggested:

• Skill into snipers
• Skill into Forges
• Learn to fly dropships *let's assume I don't already*
• Spend hundreds of thousands of ISK on said dropships

Those aren't reasonable answers damn it. I shouldn't have stoop to forges and snipers just to deal with forges and snipers, nor commit a thousand suicides attempting to fly up there.

All I want to do is introduce snipers/forges *who use the roofs* to a little something called danger. Snipers in other maps actually have to risk a little (outside of redzone) when they get a perch. Their roost can be approached by anyone. It makes it at least mildly fair for people using shotguns, Mass drivers, assault rifles, SMG's, the list goes on.

Too Long, I Did Not Read!

Grow something snipers and actually get on par with everyone else and experience some actual risk. No one should have such a major advantage over another team merely by the height they obtain. Rooftop sniping = I Win button over everything but other snipers. And it's still only a minor issue because snipers are a minority.

Edit: This comes out like mildly rage but only because you're all thinking I am out to get you. I could care little if this isn't dealt with I will continue to spam flux nades and mass driver to equal it out. I am not out to get you, but don't carry misconceptions or I will.

You agree then. snipers should not have to be killed by another sniper