Sense Orbital strikes now land on these high areas that is a extremely effective way to counter it, Or fly a drop ship up there yourselves, you may say, "But he got forge gun i can't do it" Sneak around behind him, get teammates to distract him.

Sorry but you've just proved my point.

A whole sniper team can hold down a tower. Think about that tower for a minute - how did the snipers get up there? I bet they didn't rappel from a helicopter onto the roof. If they did, I think all buildings in existence have roof access and they should in the future. It shouldn't be the case the one sniper and one forge gunner can lock down a tower, but that they need to cover their weaknesses by packing good sidearms or bringing good soldiers to cover the stairs.

Right now they don't need ths soldiers, but for you to take them out you need the snipers. That is not balanced.

I will reiterate the defining point: Snipers can only be trumped by snipers. This is not balance.

I disagree with this... they made a strategic move... now its you're move

you have four choices
A) ignore them
B) Snipe them
C) go to them via dropship
D) beat them to it (you make the strategic move first)

they aren't breaking any rules, they aren't going anyplace that you cant get to yourself, their team did it and yours didnt, its that simple... if they aren't breaking the rules or exploiting a mistake in code, then then adapt or die

How is sniper vs sniper not balanced lol camping or not how isn't it balanced? Seriously re-read what you said. Read it out loud and listen to how dumb this post is . If I'm a sniper and I'm far as hell hidden or camping. I wouldn't want to be taken out by any other gun than a sniper. Because it's the only gun that can take you out from that far besides the forge gun.

Let me give you a tip brosikis.
Tip of your lifetime.

Assuming there is a whole squad up on a roof . Assuming they are well coordinated.

You know what that means?

It means there is one less capable squad on the ground. Let the thought sink in.

One less capable squad on the ground means its time to play ball.

The enemy team willingly traded its focused offensive power for unfocused defensive power.

It takes say 2 long range capable players at worst to keep that roof in check.

This makes room for a total of 4 people more on your team able to take and/or hold points.

This is an enormous tradeoff.

Use your brain, cease the opportunity to zerg and ninja the objectives.
Play ball.

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Line Harvest, Domination:
An enemy squad placed uplinks on the N.E. tower and spawned with some proto forge guns. While the rest of the our team handled the ground troops, another sniper and I (located on the ground) shot anyone who poked their head out on the tower. Very few escaped the concentrated proto sniper fire.

Line Harvest, Skirmish:
The enemy team and I had set uplinks on opposing towers (East-West). The enemy spawned in a few snipers and called in a tank. I was able to handle the snipers and keep the tank's attention focused on me, so a couple of others from my squad called in a dropship on the ground, flew up behind the tower, hopped out, destroyed the tank and cleared out the uplinks.

In one match a while back I was the only sniper in our squad when the enemy set up on a Line Harvest map tower. I was using an advanced tactical rifle and having trouble punching through their shields and armor before they could duck into cover to rep. So I told my team and our forge gunner (who was on the ground) turned his weapon towards them and started blasting the enemy off the tower anytime they tried to leave cover. Plus I myself have been blasted off the towers by ground-dwelling forge guns many times.

All of these happened in public matches.

- Rooftop snipers can only be taken out by other snipers.

- No building in existence has rooftop exclusive access.

Edit: Might I also clarify that I have recently started using this tactic because of this discussion, and although it's always fun to kill unsuspecting targets, it would be a lot better if I had to worry about someone shooting back.

Dropship, passengers jumping out of a dropship, forge gun and Precition Strike.


My house doesn't have a ladder built on the side or roof access from the inside. The place where I work doesn't either, and it's a two story building.


You haven't played against me.

I'll take the main point of rooftop access here and say:

I said exclusive. As in, no building in existence can only be accessed from the roof. What we have now is akin to having the front entrance to a 25 storey building on the 25th floor.

I thought the "problem" was people getting on top of the buildings, not inside.

I thought the "problem" was people getting on top of the buildings, not inside.

And this is precisely the type of negative criticism of ideas I've come to expect from the users of this forum, but alas, I'm still here.

You simply can't say this isn't logical. If a sniper is sitting on a mountain, can we not run behind or around to take them out on foot? To point out once more the flaw in the arguments of those against this idea: Calling a dropship when there are forge gunners up top is nigh impossible on some maps, completely impossible on others.

If the sniper gets caught in CQC then he should be at the disadvantage, same as if a soldier gets caught out in the open the sniper should have the advantage. If a soldier is good enough to get into CQC with a sniper without dying then that soldier did a good job at avoiding detection and staying alive.

All we're asking is for a way for everything to counter everything like it should be, and currently the only way to counter a sniper is to be a sniper. My tactics shouldn't be limited by my skills or skill levels, only my creativity and wit.

What you're saying is similar to: Only a tank should be able to take out a tank.

Only a tank should be able to take out a tank? Well there goes all our av gear lol. Please refrain from posting anymore sir

WTF, I return and to what....conspiracies.

Look! I do not want to:

• Nerf Snipers
• Nerf Forges
• Nerf Dropship Ceiling

All I want is to bring people to mortality. Right now as it is, in order to counter said pesky forges+sniper, all you have suggested:

• Skill into snipers
• Skill into Forges
• Learn to fly dropships *let's assume I don't already*
• Spend hundreds of thousands of ISK on said dropships

Those aren't reasonable answers damn it. I shouldn't have stoop to forges and snipers just to deal with forges and snipers, nor commit a thousand suicides attempting to fly up there.

All I want to do is introduce snipers/forges *who use the roofs* to a little something called danger. Snipers in other maps actually have to risk a little (outside of redzone) when they get a perch. Their roost can be approached by anyone. It makes it at least mildly fair for people using shotguns, Mass drivers, assault rifles, SMG's, the list goes on.

Too Long, I Did Not Read!

Grow something snipers and actually get on par with everyone else and experience some actual risk. No one should have such a major advantage over another team merely by the height they obtain. Rooftop sniping = I Win button over everything but other snipers. And it's still only a minor issue because snipers are a minority.

Edit: This comes out like mildly rage but only because you're all thinking I am out to get you. I could care little if this isn't dealt with I will continue to spam flux nades and mass driver to equal it out. I am not out to get you, but don't carry misconceptions or I will.

You agree then. snipers should not have to be killed by another sniper

You agree then, that snipers should not have to be killed by another sniper

Um? I killedl snipers with any shot guns, nova knife, smg, tac ar and other weapons. I don't think a sniper should only be able to take out a other sniper. Its war, everyman has to figure out a way to survive. What's the problem with that? snipers should be killed by anything. Same with everything else. One thing can't be immune to a other. Tanks get taken out by tanks, forge guns, swarm launchers etc. Snipers get taken out by what can reach them. Snipers take out what they can. etc. Got a prohlem with that?

Only a tank should be able to take out a tank? Well there goes all our av gear lol. Please refrain from posting anymore sir