why do you even post if you dont understand the basics? do you like to make yourself look stupid?

again for you, isk never was the primary balance factor for raw strength. a tank offers the team something that nothing else is able to do thus the cost is well justified. if 2m isk is a problem for you then dont drive a tank (rule #1 of eve, dont use what you cant afford to lose). requiring a 3 people to take down a tank would mean instant win for the team with more tanks because it changes the game into a 15vs13, 14vs10, 13vs7 etc.. (3 people busy to take care of one tank). it would change the game into tanks 514 sooner or later. your arguments will matter as soon as you understand this and wake up from your tunnelvision trance.

You know I can do that to:

Like I said I'll agree with that when the AVers start paying over two mil ISK per AV fit. You want to go that route I'm all for it.

why do you even post if you dont understand the basics? do you like to make yourself look stupid?

again for you, isk never was the primary balance factor for raw strength. a AVer offers the team something that nothing else is able to do thus the cost is well justified. if 2m isk is a problem for you then dont drive a use AV (rule #1 of eve, dont use what you cant afford to lose). requiring a to to take down a tank would mean instant loose for every tanker, which is the way the game is now. 1 person to take care of one tank, would make it absolutely stupid to ever bring in a tank, which is the way it is now.

You want to go around calling people stupid for no good reason? You sir are a ******* sum bag.

Your argument is valid when "the team" actually starts paying for my tanks. Now why don't you go **** yourself.

All I wanted was hypothetical stats. Sheesh.

All I wanted was hypothetical stats. Sheesh.

AVer offers the team something that nothing else is able to do thus the cost is well justified.

except this is wrong.

the list of stuff that can deal with vehicles:
installations
equipment
other vehicles

also AV is limited to AV while a HAV can deal with everything on his own.

HAV also cannot be brought down by a single guy using AV if you actually know what you are doing.

in short: you still dont get it, have made yourself look even more stupid and made it certain that you are just another worthless noob

Add the Pilot suit into the mix, add additional bonuses from passengers (If they ever decided to do it like I suggested above) would turn that 1 AVer into 3 Proto AV needed

Also, you and I both know 7:4 would be OP

Edit: if prices of AV were level with Turrets, can you imagine a Proto Breach Forge Gunner ever on the battlefield? fielding a 900k Weapon? ^_^

except this is wrong.

the list of stuff that can deal with vehicles:
installations
equipment
other vehicles

also AV is limited to AV while a HAV can deal with everything on his own.

HAV also cannot be brought down by a single guy using AV if you actually know what you are doing.

in short: you still dont get it, have made yourself look even more stupid and made it certain that you are just another worthless noob

I have a feeling pilot suit will either come out pre nerfed after the whining about the placeholder numbers plus i dont think they will stack even tho they should and hopefully they come out with modules that can be on the pilot suit and help enhance the vehicle even more

As for 7/4 i dont think its OP i think its more logical tbh, if you look at dropsuits from basic to proto the vast majority get a 100% increase in slots and 100% increase in CPU/PG

Turret prices is what makes the tank expenisve, the normal mods may add upto 200k but the turret whacks it up well over a mil and that is the pricing problem atm

a 7/4 with 20-30% pg buff layout would easily be able to to attain 20k ehp so it may be a tad op

tanks could achieve 20k ehp in the closed beta and where nerfed back then for a reason.

a 7/4 with 20-30% pg buff layout would easily be able to to attain 20k ehp so it may be a tad op

proto tanks will not have 7 high or low slots simply because the amount to keep track of and activate is to much the only thing proto tanks will have over the current tanks are more powergrid and cpu and a slightly higher base hp

adding more modules just makes things more convulted and complicated than it needs to be what we need is proto modules

id rather have 2 .34 armor hardeners when together gives .56 percent damage reduction
than 3 .25 armor hardeners that together give .57

This is nearly impossible to balance in a 16vs 16 Team based match. If this become true Tanks would be unstoppable just throw in 3 Tanks that would force the entire opposing team to focus on AV leaving your Team with 13 people to murder the other teams AV = instant win....

I mean, if that is the way we're going to go about things, how much? I'm interested in the specifics. I've been thinking about this for a while and kept forgetting to ask, but reading that forge nerf thread made me remember and i'll just forget if I don't do it now.

Any super tankers around to give me an estimate? Before the vehicle balance patch rolls in and makes it irrelevant?

They would pubstomp hard but they'd be perfectly balanced in pc. That's the hardest thing to handle until we get matchmaking/true high/low sec. Maybe only std allowed in high sec, adv in low, pro in null/pc?

They would pubstomp hard but they'd be perfectly balanced in pc. That's the hardest thing to handle until we get matchmaking/true high/low sec. Maybe only std allowed in high sec, adv in low, pro in null/pc?

If you know any thing about tanking, then you know that tanks have to not only deal with AV but must also deal with other tanks. And this is very dificult to deal with. It requires a lot of time in the over map, constantly checking to see if the enemy has droped in a tank somewhere. The proper 1v1 counter to a tank is a tank, not AV. You guys are aproaching this thing like tanks exist in a vacuum. Like only one team can call in tanks and the other team is forbidden. Out side of the imbalance between shield tank and armor tank, tank on tank combat is very viable right now. You talk about 16v16 pub stomps, well where we're the tankers on the other team. Maybe getting pub stomped is what is needed to get some people to skill into the proper 1v1 counter to tanks.

Lets say it takes 3 or even 4 people to kill a proto tank. Those same 3 or 4 people can now deny the entire battlefield to all armour because they can break the tank of the strongest vehicle and they have access to effectively unlimited ammo.

installations (large turret dumb***)
equipment (part of infantry AV dumb***)
other vehicles (other vehicles dumb***)

1. Forge gun (also anti-infantry dumb***)
2. plasma cannon (also anti-infantry dumb***)
3. Swarm launcher is the only one that can't combat infantry, which doesn't mean a damn thing because you can still equip sidarm in adition to every one of these weapons
4. Not only that but who need any of that bull**** when tanks can already be soloed with nothing but AV nades.

Bull**** dude, I've killed hundreds of tanks (litteraly) from every manner of tanker you can imagine (yes using AV). I know exactly what it takes to solo a tank. Getting tired of you talking out your ***.

I've been playing this game for eleven months now dip****. And would be glad to take your dumb *** to school any day.

I'm not going to respond to your moronic bull**** anymore I'm done with your dumb ***.

@Eurydice Itzhak

If you don't use the over map to scan the battle field constantly and track the movement of tanks you have lost sight of the your just being foolish. Why would you not use such an amazingly useful tool such as this. How does using this make me a bad tanker? Honestly some people. Some people just want to be douches.

Yah, I'll agree with that when it costs 2 mil ISK to fit a suit with AV weapons, or proto tanks cost 150k ISK when fully outfitted. Now, quite being so ridiculous.