I mean, if that is the way we're going to go about things, how much? I'm interested in the specifics. I've been thinking about this for a while and kept forgetting to ask, but reading that forge nerf thread made me remember and i'll just forget if I don't do it now.

Any super tankers around to give me an estimate? Before the vehicle balance patch rolls in and makes it irrelevant?

oh look another tank driver L2Pissue club, this is new and refreshing


that would be ok if you would need 3 people to actually drive a tank and as long this is not the ture a single AV weapon should be enough to scare the tank away with continous fire which is the case with the current HAVs actually.

Stop.

The answer OP, is that it wouldn't have to be much stronger, if the standard AV and tanks were weaker ^_^ Or it would be a lot stronger if the Proto AV was stronger.

It shouldn't take 3 AVers to kill a Tank, the argument is flawed. It should take a single good AVer with the right AV to combat a single good tanker, if the AVers are bad it'll take more.

why do you even post if you dont understand the basics? do you like to make yourself look stupid?

again for you, isk never was the primary balance factor for raw strength. a tank offers the team something that nothing else is able to do thus the cost is well justified. if 2m isk is a problem for you then dont drive a tank (rule #1 of eve, dont use what you cant afford to lose). requiring a 3 people to take down a tank would mean instant win for the team with more tanks because it changes the game into a 15vs13, 14vs10, 13vs7 etc.. (3 people busy to take care of one tank). it would change the game into tanks 514 sooner or later. your arguments will matter as soon as you understand this and wake up from your tunnelvision trance.

why do you even post if you dont understand the basics? do you like to make yourself look stupid?

again for you, isk never was the primary balance factor for raw strength. a tank offers the team something that nothing else is able to do thus the cost is well justified. if 2m isk is a problem for you then dont drive a tank (rule #1 of eve, dont use what you cant afford to lose). requiring a 3 people to take down a tank would mean instant win for the team with more tanks because it changes the game into a 15vs13, 14vs10, 13vs7 etc.. (3 people busy to take care of one tank). it would change the game into tanks 514 sooner or later. your arguments will matter as soon as you understand this and wake up from your tunnelvision trance.

except this is wrong.

the list of stuff that can deal with vehicles:
installations
equipment
other vehicles

also AV is limited to AV while a HAV can deal with everything on his own.

HAV also cannot be brought down by a single guy using AV if you actually know what you are doing.

in short: you still dont get it, have made yourself look even more stupid and made it certain that you are just another worthless noob

They would pubstomp hard but they'd be perfectly balanced in pc. That's the hardest thing to handle until we get matchmaking/true high/low sec. Maybe only std allowed in high sec, adv in low, pro in null/pc?

Because then you aren't watching for incoming infantry. Unable to respond to threats. No legit tanker does that man. You stay in communication with the squad. Ask for a visual.

Unless you're hiding in the red line when you do it? Then i can almost see usefulness in it but youre still being useless tp your team every second you waste in the overhead. Get squad mates. Communicate with them.

Then sir, i'll agree with you when putting on a forge gun gives me 7k HP, as fast of movement speed as a tank, with a rocket attached to the back of the gun to propel me even faster in a tight spot, the ability to move in and out of cover while firing effectively in any direction, and no charge time on it.

but i see how your isk increase isn't well justified... /sigh

Can't rely on squad. Lol.
Goes into overhead during battle. Lol.
Doesn't have enough situational awareness to not get snuck up on. Lol.

You would get annihilated in a competitive match man. Your strategy simply isn't viable in a real setting. I run with one other guy when i play mostly and we can see just about the entire map between the two of us. In a pc match you have 15 other eyeballs.


To harpyja (who i normally agree with) I could easily ruin the game for a lot of uncoordinated people and new people in pubs if I had something just a little bit stronger than a sagaris. I'm sure you could too. There's a ton of proto av on the field but they're almost all bad. We would need something to stop us ruining the lives of baddies/newbs. Just let high sec be an option for instant battles and no one can field gear further than adv. Low sec for everyone else.

If you havent seen my name in any tank threads on the forums you must not come here often :0

I have never done anything but tank.

NO tanker spends any amount of time in the over map. Jesus christ how bad are you?

I agree with most of everything you said but if we got anything stronger than a sagaris it would absolutely ruin instant matchmaking unless it was imrpoved.

If you want a tank that requires 3 people with proto AV to bring down, then it needs to be banned from public matches. Some teams might not even HAVE that much AV available, and if it takes 1/4th of a teams strength to counter 1 person, you have a SERIOUS balance issue.

Honestly this is a FPS and not world of Tanks, I want Tanks to be in this game but your suggestion makes no sense for a FPS. Every weapon that is only countered by itself is a source of imbalance. So honestly no.

it doesnt take 3 militia fits to take out a proto suit... your logic is flawed.

proto tanks should be harder to kill, not impossible. I played this toon during the -25% AV damage nerf period, and it didnt take long before it was Merely a case of who could co-ordinate the most tanks would win. Yes the maps were smaller, and we didnt have the same range of weapons, but the lesson still stands.

Diversity is the key to having a strategic shooter, and for diversity to work everything must have an effective counter.


one option might be to adjust the damage debuff non-AV weapons suffer when firing at vehicles, THEN it would be feasible to say 3xproto AV alone to take out a proto tank..... because with the debuff gone non-AV mercs would constantly chip away at HAVs, meaning dedicated AV fits, would pose a greater threat to the longevity of a tank, forcing HAV's to remain mobile, and not return us to the point we were at with the -25% AV nerf, where tanks would just park and rain doom without fear of consequence nor need for tactical retreat.