Like I said I'll agree with that when the AVers start paying over two mil ISK per AV fit. You want to go that route I'm all for it.

it doesnt take 3 militia fits to take out a proto suit... your logic is flawed.

proto tanks should be harder to kill, not impossible. I played this toon during the -25% AV damage nerf period, and it didnt take long before it was Merely a case of who could co-ordinate the most tanks would win. Yes the maps were smaller, and we didnt have the same range of weapons, but the lesson still stands.

Diversity is the key to having a strategic shooter, and for diversity to work everything must have an effective counter.


one option might be to adjust the damage debuff non-AV weapons suffer when firing at vehicles, THEN it would be feasible to say 3xproto AV alone to take out a proto tank..... because with the debuff gone non-AV mercs would constantly chip away at HAVs, meaning dedicated AV fits, would pose a greater threat to the longevity of a tank, forcing HAV's to remain mobile, and not return us to the point we were at with the -25% AV nerf, where tanks would just park and rain doom without fear of consequence nor need for tactical retreat.

This is nearly impossible to balance in a 16vs 16 Team based match. If this become true Tanks would be unstoppable just throw in 3 Tanks that would force the entire opposing team to focus on AV leaving your Team with 13 people to murder the other teams AV = instant win....

Honestly this is a FPS and not world of Tanks, I want Tanks to be in this game but your suggestion makes no sense for a FPS. Every weapon that is only countered by itself is a source of imbalance. So honestly no.

Not strictly related to proto-tanks specifically but the Powergrids skill could do with regaining a passive +5% PG per level.

Will pass on trying to work out reasonable jumps in slots/fitting for ADV and PRO HAVs.

Would like the option of a new set of HAVs which separate the driver from the main turret, leaving it to a gunner. In exchange for for needing 2 people to operate, preferably 3, it would get a huge boost in durability. If damage boosts from turret skills use the skills of both the gunner and the driver who called it in you'd be seeing a potential 15% damage boost over regular HAVs.

Basic principle is that as it requires a larger chunk of the team working together to operate it's more reasonable to necessitate a co-ordinated anti-vehicular effort to drive away or take down. 3 mercs with proper AV on overwatch to keep the 3 man tank threatened, at a distance.

But most importantly we need a game mode that isn't Skirmish or Ambush. The HAV's actual strengths are not put to use because in the current matches those strengths aren't called for, they're largely irrelevant. Same for the dropship. A great deal of problems stem from the failings of the current game types.

This is nearly impossible to balance in a 16vs 16 Team based match. If this become true Tanks would be unstoppable just throw in 3 Tanks that would force the entire opposing team to focus on AV leaving your Team with 13 people to murder the other teams AV = instant win....

shield tank- 4500 shield 1500 armor, 2100 pg and 500 cpu and 8 high slots and 5 low slots...

So this ratio would mean in a PC match the only viable counter to a tank is another tank. And that would be imbalanced...

You talk about 16v16 pub stomps, well where we're the tankers on the other team. Maybe getting pub stomped is what is needed to get some people to skill into the proper 1v1 counter to tanks.

@Jack McReady

Looked up your kdr scrub. 1.5 kd with 1500 kill. Now why don't you come back and talk to me when you get in to your big by pants.

If you want a tank that requires 3 people with proto AV to bring down, then it needs to be banned from public matches. Some teams might not even HAVE that much AV available, and if it takes 1/4th of a teams strength to counter 1 person, you have a SERIOUS balance issue.

I'm a sneaky, win at all costs Proto AV player and there's some tanks that even I can't take down(Usually, when there are more than one on the field and they are working together). Beefing tanks up will make the great players truly unstoppable, and the crappy ones super hard to kill.

Tank strength should not be the single largest deciding factor in how much AV it takes to kill - player skill should be.

Honestly this is a FPS and not world of Tanks, I want Tanks to be in this game but your suggestion makes no sense for a FPS. Every weapon that is only countered by itself is a source of imbalance. So honestly no.

Why should it be your way, rather than coming to a compromise?

You are well on your way to replacing The Great and Powerful Charlotte O'Dell is the most vocal tanker on the forums. I'm so proud of you :')

Looked up your kdr also *cough* scrub *cough cough*.

1925 kills with a 3.43 kd.

All you have ever done is sit in a tank and the best kd you could manage was 3.43? You loose a tank after every three kills. *shakes his head* GTFO out of here with that **** man.

I mean, if that is the way we're going to go about things, how much? I'm interested in the specifics. I've been thinking about this for a while and kept forgetting to ask, but reading that forge nerf thread made me remember and i'll just forget if I don't do it now.

Any super tankers around to give me an estimate? Before the vehicle balance patch rolls in and makes it irrelevant?

I said three to two (hard for two). And yes I can take three militia fit militia drop suits all at one time, very easily. And yes I've taken these odds before in a stand up fight. Couldn't tell you if they were actually all militia fit milita suits, but you can't go any lower than militia, so what does it matter.

Team work should be required for infantry to kill a tank. Your reasoning is flawed sir.

i got 8 mil sp into tanks and my kdr is .91 thats mostly because im working my ass off to get enough money back to payoff the tank i lost (enforcer or gunnlogi) to proto OP forgegun

Ugh. I forgot about this thread. I log on and I have 87 notifications.

Looked through and at least a few people actually gave some stats.

Honestly this is a FPS and not world of Tanks, I want Tanks to be in this game but your suggestion makes no sense for a FPS. Every weapon that is only countered by itself is a source of imbalance. So honestly no.

i got 8 mil sp into tanks and my kdr is .91 thats mostly because im working my ass off to get enough money back to payoff the tank i lost (enforcer or gunnlogi) to proto OP forgegun

You are well on your way to replacing The Great and Powerful Charlotte O'Dell is the most vocal tanker on the forums. I'm so proud of you :')

This kid's only argument is KD/R ...even though it means **** to a tanker scrub pre uprising,....since they were OP since dust was released.

The problem is your thread had no basis for an actual discussion period. your thread became exactly what you felt it should be : irrelevant.