Proto tank = three people with proto AV to take down. It very well coordinated two people, but it should be very difficult.

Yah, I'll agree with that when it costs 2 mil ISK to fit a suit with AV weapons, or proto tanks cost 150k ISK when fully outfitted. Now, quite being so ridiculous.

Like I said I'll agree with that when the AVers start paying over two mil ISK per AV fit. You want to go that route I'm all for it.

AVer offers the team something that nothing else is able to do thus the cost is well justified.

a 7/4 with 20-30% pg buff layout would easily be able to to attain 20k ehp so it may be a tad op

Lets say it takes 3 or even 4 people to kill a proto tank. Those same 3 or 4 people can now deny the entire battlefield to all armour because they can break the tank of the strongest vehicle and they have access to effectively unlimited ammo.

installations (large turret dumb***)
equipment (part of infantry AV dumb***)
other vehicles (other vehicles dumb***)

1. Forge gun (also anti-infantry dumb***)
2. plasma cannon (also anti-infantry dumb***)
3. Swarm launcher is the only one that can't combat infantry, which doesn't mean a damn thing because you can still equip sidarm in adition to every one of these weapons
4. Not only that but who need any of that bull**** when tanks can already be soloed with nothing but AV nades.

Bull**** dude, I've killed hundreds of tanks (litteraly) from every manner of tanker you can imagine (yes using AV). I know exactly what it takes to solo a tank. Getting tired of you talking out your ***.

I've been playing this game for eleven months now dip****. And would be glad to take your dumb *** to school any day.

I'm not going to respond to your moronic bull**** anymore I'm done with your dumb ***.

I said three to two (hard for two). And yes I can take three militia fit militia drop suits all at one time, very easily. And yes I've taken these odds before in a stand up fight. Couldn't tell you if they were actually all militia fit milita suits, but you can't go any lower than militia, so what does it matter.

Team work should be required for infantry to kill a tank. Your reasoning is flawed sir.

isk never was the primary balance factor for raw strength. a tank offers the team something that nothing else is able to do thus the cost is well justified. if 2m isk is a problem for you then dont drive a tank (rule #1 of eve, dont use what you cant afford to lose). requiring a 3 people to take down a tank would mean instant win for the team with more tanks because it changes the game into a 15vs13, 14vs10, 13vs7 etc.. (3 people busy to take care of one tank). it would change the game into tanks 514 sooner or later (over time anyone can get into tanks and get the isk to do so). your arguments will matter as soon as you understand this and wake up from your tunnelvision trance.

I think it's just you being a troll. Obvious troll is obvious.

Just putting this here again.

Tanks are the ultimate end game

one tank > one infantry unit.....
l2thinkahead

But as it is now, one below average AV guy with Proto Swarm can take down any tank, no matter shield or armor. Tanks should always be the best way to taking down tanks, not those no-skill cheap*** Proto Swarms...

The thing about AV vs Tanks. Is that the best fitted tanks with all mods on are pushed back by a single person with anything above standard AV and are out right destroyed when proto Av shows up.

With all modules on it should be hard for prototype AV players to kill the best fitted tanks in game which is currently not the case.

one shot from proto swarms forces any armor tanker to turn on all modules if they aren't already turned on
after that we are barely kept alive as our armor repper tries to repair to no avail as the swarms continue to hit
after 15 seconds when the armor repair times out we are either dead or have no way of keeping healed

and if you made it to cover pray to god that there is no one else close by with any kind of AV until your repper comes back

@ jack

i see you are only taking into accoutn the best situation to happen for your tank

1000 shield isnt always up the only time you have1000 shields is if you have not been in combat with that tank

so saying oh your shield will absorb the initial damage when it is not up most of the time you are tanking and no armor tanker is going to wait 2 minutes for there shields to come back up every time it goes down

if i wanted to hide and shoot something for a few seconds i would use my proto rail tank its easier more efficient safer and puts out more damage

stop assuming that every map has cover for a tank in every position that the enemy runs in

most objectives are covered and are in compounds and i refuse to go into compounds
most ways to get near the enemy is to go through the open fields since that is where the enemy is fighting your allies protecting objectives from your allies

theres barely any true cover for tanks due to how the maps are created with such high terrain swarms are easy to get anywhere they need to

i dont run solo you idiot god damn you are assuming i drive a certain way when you dont know a god damn way of how i drive my tank

accoding to your post there is always cover within 100 meters of every enemy that is impossible for anyone to come near