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Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.24 14:13:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, if that is the way we're going to go about things, how much? I'm interested in the specifics. I've been thinking about this for a while and kept forgetting to ask, but reading that forge nerf thread made me remember and i'll just forget if I don't do it now.
Any super tankers around to give me an estimate? Before the vehicle balance patch rolls in and makes it irrelevant? Proto tank = three people with proto AV to take down. It very well coordinated two people, but it should be very difficult. This is nearly impossible to balance in a 16vs 16 Team based match. If this become true Tanks would be unstoppable just throw in 3 Tanks that would force the entire opposing team to focus on AV leaving your Team with 13 people to murder the other teams AV = instant win....
They would pubstomp hard but they'd be perfectly balanced in pc. That's the hardest thing to handle until we get matchmaking/true high/low sec. Maybe only std allowed in high sec, adv in low, pro in null/pc? |
Eurydice Itzhak
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Posted - 2013.07.24 14:51:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, if that is the way we're going to go about things, how much? I'm interested in the specifics. I've been thinking about this for a while and kept forgetting to ask, but reading that forge nerf thread made me remember and i'll just forget if I don't do it now.
Any super tankers around to give me an estimate? Before the vehicle balance patch rolls in and makes it irrelevant? Proto tank = three people with proto AV to take down. It very well coordinated two people, but it should be very difficult. This is nearly impossible to balance in a 16vs 16 Team based match. If this become true Tanks would be unstoppable just throw in 3 Tanks that would force the entire opposing team to focus on AV leaving your Team with 13 people to murder the other teams AV = instant win.... They would pubstomp hard but they'd be perfectly balanced in pc. That's the hardest thing to handle until we get matchmaking/true high/low sec. Maybe only std allowed in high sec, adv in low, pro in null/pc? If you know any thing about tanking, then you know that tanks have to not only deal with AV but must also deal with other tanks. And this is very dificult to deal with. It requires a lot of time in the over map, constantly checking to see if the enemy has droped in a tank somewhere. The proper 1v1 counter to a tank is a tank, not AV. You guys are aproaching this thing like tanks exist in a vacuum. Like only one team can call in tanks and the other team is forbidden. Out side of the imbalance between shield tank and armor tank, tank on tank combat is very viable right now. You talk about 16v16 pub stomps, well where we're the tankers on the other team. Maybe getting pub stomped is what is needed to get some people to skill into the proper 1v1 counter to tanks.
If you havent seen my name in any tank threads on the forums you must not come here often :0
I have never done anything but tank.
NO tanker spends any amount of time in the over map. Jesus christ how bad are you?
I agree with most of everything you said but if we got anything stronger than a sagaris it would absolutely ruin instant matchmaking unless it was imrpoved. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:07:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:@Eurydice Itzhak
If you don't use the over map to scan the battle field constantly and track the movement of tanks you have lost sight of the your just being foolish. Why would you not use such an amazingly useful tool such as this. How does using this make me a bad tanker? Honestly some people. Some people just want to be douches.
Because then you aren't watching for incoming infantry. Unable to respond to threats. No legit tanker does that man. You stay in communication with the squad. Ask for a visual.
Unless you're hiding in the red line when you do it? Then i can almost see usefulness in it but youre still being useless tp your team every second you waste in the overhead. Get squad mates. Communicate with them. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:39:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:@Eurydice Itzhak
If you don't use the over map to scan the battle field constantly and track the movement of tanks you have lost sight of the your just being foolish. Why would you not use such an amazingly useful tool such as this. How does using this make me a bad tanker? Honestly some people. Some people just want to be douches.
Because then you aren't watching for incoming infantry. Unable to respond to threats. No legit tanker does that man. You stay in communication with the squad. Ask for a visual. Unless you're hiding in the red line when you do it? Then i can almost see usefulness in it but youre still being useless tp your team every second you waste in the overhead. Get squad mates. Communicate with them. You can't rely on your sqaud every second of every match, this is absurd. I don't like loosing tanks to someone how went to a secure location out on mine and my entire teams line of sight just to call in a tank to specifically to come up behind me from the rear me while I am other wise engauged. I use the over map because I'm not a stupid tanker. And I do quite well in my tank Thankyou. And while I do rail snipe on occasion it is by far the minority of the time.
Can't rely on squad. Lol.
Goes into overhead during battle. Lol.
Doesn't have enough situational awareness to not get snuck up on. Lol.
You would get annihilated in a competitive match man. Your strategy simply isn't viable in a real setting. I run with one other guy when i play mostly and we can see just about the entire map between the two of us. In a pc match you have 15 other eyeballs.
To harpyja (who i normally agree with) I could easily ruin the game for a lot of uncoordinated people and new people in pubs if I had something just a little bit stronger than a sagaris. I'm sure you could too. There's a ton of proto av on the field but they're almost all bad. We would need something to stop us ruining the lives of baddies/newbs. Just let high sec be an option for instant battles and no one can field gear further than adv. Low sec for everyone else. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:55:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:@Eurydice Itzhak
If you don't use the over map to scan the battle field constantly and track the movement of tanks you have lost sight of the your just being foolish. Why would you not use such an amazingly useful tool such as this. How does using this make me a bad tanker? Honestly some people. Some people just want to be douches.
Because then you aren't watching for incoming infantry. Unable to respond to threats. No legit tanker does that man. You stay in communication with the squad. Ask for a visual. Unless you're hiding in the red line when you do it? Then i can almost see usefulness in it but youre still being useless tp your team every second you waste in the overhead. Get squad mates. Communicate with them. You can't rely on your sqaud every second of every match, this is absurd. I don't like loosing tanks to someone how went to a secure location out on mine and my entire teams line of sight just to call in a tank to specifically to come up behind me from the rear me while I am other wise engauged. I use the over map because I'm not a stupid tanker. And I do quite well in my tank Thankyou. And while I do rail snipe on occasion it is by far the minority of the time. Can't rely on squad. Lol. Goes into overhead during battle. Lol. Doesn't have enough situational awareness to not get snuck up on. Lol. You would get annihilated in a competitive match man. Your strategy simply isn't viable in a real setting. I run with one other guy when i play mostly and we can see just about the entire map between the two of us. In a pc match you have 15 other eyeballs. To harpyja (who i normally agree with) I could easily ruin the game for a lot of uncoordinated people and new people in pubs if I had something just a little bit stronger than a sagaris. I'm sure you could too. There's a ton of proto av on the field but they're almost all bad. We would need something to stop us ruining the lives of baddies/newbs. Just let high sec be an option for instant battles and no one can field gear further than adv. Low sec for everyone else. I've been in competitive play before. Killed five pro hick tanks in a PC before, only lost one. What do you got under your belt?
Really? Utilizing your overhead map all the while right? And it wasn't even your gallente tank vs caldari tanks either huh? Did you also have to walk 5 miles in the snow uphill both ways from the pc match?
Pro hic needs to step up if true.
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Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
130
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Posted - 2013.07.25 03:53:00 -
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NIGGSWORM wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:If you havent seen my name in any tank threads on the forums you must not come here often :0
I have never done anything but tank.
NO tanker spends any amount of time in the over map. Jesus christ how bad are you?
I agree with most of everything you said but if we got anything stronger than a sagaris it would absolutely ruin instant matchmaking unless it was imrpoved. Looked up your kdr also *cough* scrub *cough cough*. 1925 kills with a 3.43 kd. All you have ever done is sit in a tank and the best kd you could manage was 3.43? You loose a tank after every three kills. *shakes his head* GTFO out of here with that **** man. i got 8 mil sp into tanks and my kdr is .91 thats mostly because im working my ass off to get enough money back to payoff the tank i lost (enforcer or gunnlogi) to proto OP forgegun
My kdr came from when only ambush matches counted. I had to play in militia fits to pay for every tank lost. Now I'm profitable in tanks and do nothing else.
Since skirmish started counting it keeps going up and up and up. It will hit atleast 30 if I ever come back to this game. |
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