no more respecs.

I am glad dust 514 isn't one of them but planetside 2 is.

Don't tell me to diversify, I did that for almost 8 months; noobs and people who can't decide what they want to play diversify. This game doesn't reward you for diversifying unless you're waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead in SP, and even then.

So perhaps investment was too strong of a word, but all in all, the point remains; you dump your SP in the hopes that your choices don't get ripped apart / were well educated, or you pretend like SP doesn't exist and further push the fact that this is a lobby shooter with little to no variation, despite what would appear like plenty of variation in suits and equipment.

It's been over a year, and you know what 90% of players still put in their high slots?

Complex damage mods or shield mods

I need to just stop this discussion, because every day I try to like this game lately I just end up hating it that much more.

Have CCP hired you to **** talk PS2 in every thread to try make Dust look better? 'Cause really, thats all you seem to be doing.

Pay2Win or not, atleast Planetside 2 is a full game.

Playing a game is not an investment. It's a pastime. Also, a car is not an investment, it's a purchase. It does cost a lot of money though, but that doesn't make it an investment. You should have diversified, as I said in my earlier post. Just like in real life. Picking the "best" isn't necessarily using your brain.

Also, I did agree that this stuff should be in game. But, using your brain, means working with what you've got. The future is always uncertain, so you should hedge your bets.

It's not how much you spend on the car but how and why a person uses an automobile for that makes it an investment. Ranchers invest in tough trucks, traveling employees invest in comfort and miles per gallon. Wealthy people invest in high class automobiles to announce their high status while blue collar people may invest in muscle cars to display their masculinity. Gamers invest time in games for future enjoyment. If the game isn't fun, we won't invest time or money into it. The complaints of experienced players and unknown complaints of new players will help them decide to invest in other games that will be more fun and much less like work.

The die hard Dust514 fanbois will be very lonely 2014.

I think many of them want it to be their personal little play area.

If the trolls and crybabies left, I do think we would enjoy it more. I have said before, I would rather it not succeed than be changed because of a bunch of whiners.

@Jin - But the game is free so you will never control that

also if CCP is actually looking to grow their playerbase they shouldnt be just appealing to EVE-ites who want to play around in the shooter portion of the universe.

And I am far from an FPS specialist but the responses from many seem happy to wait till kingdom come for this utopia and tell any dissenting voices where to go while others (read not trolls and whingers) spend many hours putting forth great suggestions.

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Isn't what, a lobby shooter?

Actually, the only legitimate investment on that list is the Truck for the rancher. Now, a collectible car can be an investment, but not in the way you describe. An investment is an investment in an asset, or it can be an investment in something that appreciates.

The cost of something, either in time or money, doesn't define whether a transaction is an investment or not.

The error I got on the first day of the alert system came out.
"You cannot join this match, this match is full"

The week after they added a queue:

"You are now 47,850,130,527 in queue for the alert."
WTF?

Cosgar, I have read many of your posts and you arent one I would put in that lot.

At the moment I am not frustrated that much with the game or even what CCP seems to be trying to achieve. I do have a big issue though with the lack of content that I would expect in a base product and also the sentiment that is put forth by many with regards to other games or players that came from other titles.

Many, including myself dont want this to be a clone of other titles but those other games do many things right in certain aspects. Also if you are a proven company you should be able to get things done in a reasonable time.

I also dont have much of an issue with pub stomping but I have issues with weapon balance when you expect a heavy investment into said weapons.

And Adapt or Die is a stupid sentiment in this game because it doesnt really apply, it should be AFK and read the forum and then skill into whats hot and have some fun.

I am really hoping for the best with these new updates but I am going to call CCP on things I dont think are acceptable. You cant flaunt your EVE cred and say you are putting out a top flight shooter and not deliver a quality title. You cant take jabs at other games about we dont make sequels and then deliver a piecemeal product.

I just call it how I see it.

Considering all the problems CCP is having with the Respecs it may be easier for them to Respec everybody rather than individuals or a specific skill tree.

I will not say whether I agree or disagree with Respecs in general but if they can not process everybody who requested one by the time Uprising 1.2 then a full Respec for everyone would be a final line under the matter.

Finally based on evidence it seems far easier for CCP to do a global Respec rather than a targeted one.

@Jin - But the game is free so you will never control that

also if CCP is actually looking to grow their playerbase they shouldnt be just appealing to EVE-ites who want to play around in the shooter portion of the universe.

And I am far from an FPS specialist but the responses from many seem happy to wait till kingdom come for this utopia and tell any dissenting voices where to go while others (read not trolls and whingers) spend many hours putting forth great suggestions.

The problem with that is uprising 1.2 is not the last update. If they allow a respec for it they set a precedent of respecs because of updates. Why isnt this understood?

What don't you understand this isn't just some average update?

The added dropsuits to finish off the heavy and light tiers are going to have a large impact on the game, not to forget the immense effect that having a properly functioning weapon range and damage falloff system will have on all weapon types across the board.

This isn't "Oh, CCP added a new OP weapon I want a full respec so I can switch to it", this is "Oh crap, CCP just entirely changed how all weapons function and the basis for why I've pumped all of my SP into this weapon class is now a pile of trash"

I am not trying to control anything. I am just voicing an opinion (that CCP shares) about how I think constant respecs are bad. It is not the lobby shooter you are looking for.

So then what about mechs? Jets? Speeders? Whatever else they come up with? Your argument is full of holes and having seen your posts before, I am not surprised.

Your argument is like comparing apples to oranges. None of those additions have already been partially introduced forcing people to spec into the existing available models, the new dropsuits and the changes to weapon ranges effect an existing infrastructure people have been forced into.

And why not allow respecs when any of those features are added? How much variety is there going to be in the game when any of those are released and you have a relative handful of players that saved up prior or grinded after the release to access them? How many players that have already sunk their SP into a specific setup are going to toss it all away to start all over again investing in something new?

If you make massive adjustments to the game you need to allow respecs not just to allow people to spread out into the new roles but to allow those that enjoy their existing setup to adapt to the new situations without taking weeks or months to do so.

What happens when CCP gets off their asses and adjusts shield tanking? You're going to have a HUGE segment of the population that was reliant on a mechanic working a certain way who now have to entirely retool how they play. Someone like you would end up saying "adapt or die" and those players are going to die a whole lot until they're able to save up the SP to entirely retool their setups and that could take again weeks and weeks and many players won't have the patience to wait that long just to bring themselves back to a point they were at before the changes.

I imagine it's a swipe at us still being in Beta instead of full release

Using your brain means asking "what can I find out" before spending money or SP, whereas stupid means asking "why didn't you tell me"

The problem with that is uprising 1.2 is not the last update. If they allow a respec for it they set a precedent of respecs because of updates. Why isnt this understood?

I don't think I've seen anyone post a single good reason for having no respecs, across multiple threads.

Every argument against them that I've seen all boil down to, "but that's how EvE does it, so it's the right way."

Now it appears the Devs are going to go the "no respecs" route, and that's their prerogative. It's also yet another entry on their long list of mistakes that is driving casuals and non-EvE fans away.

But hey that list is getting pretty long at this point so I suppose getting too worked up over a single line item on it is a waste of time at this point.

But it's still a mistake.

+1


Thats just it. This community is more or less split in two by the FPS crowd and the EVE crowd.

As a member of the FPS part of the crowd its really hard for us to understand the general HTFU mentality of the EVE crowd. They say they want it to be a no mercy hardcore shooter, yet they still seem to mostly be in favor of every small step this game has taken to reduce actual player skill. We all want this game to be as good as possible and we all want it to succeed. That you guys keep defending obviously broken stuff as "design choices", like the current LAV situation, just goes beyond me. Yes I can adapt or die, no problem... The issue should rather be; "do we really want a shooter to be designd in a way that make murdertaxying a viable option for coming on top of the list every single game? Do we want an FPS game where getting run over by a jeep is the biggest threath on the battlefield? A little more constructive input and a little less "adapt or die" would go a long way.

And about the current topic:

I am very much in favor of choices that have concequences and the whole idea that smart decisions should be benefitial. I for one, was dead set on runnng a scout MD combo since its the most fun I've had in Dust. But I was clever enough to check out the stats before spending skillpoints and chose to get my old AR back instead. I have wastd lvl 2 and 3 on remote explosives, the rest of my skillpoints are "perfectly placed" as far as I'm concerned, I don't need a respec as it is now.

My main gripe is that they keep changing stuff for the wrong reasons and definately in the wrong way. If all of CCPs adjustments where like the resent TAC nerf, I wouldn't have any problem with no more respects. But as long as CCP keeps over nerfing and buffing stuff to the extremes, even things that no one wanted, it gets frustraiting.


We should get respects until the point where most of the basic content is out and as long as its somewhat stable in output. (Semi-balanced at least) When they have brought this game up to a decent level they can say: "The next patch will bring the last ever respec, we won't fiddle with any stats, just add some more maps. This is the last respec you get, chose wisely."

In short: When this game gets factually released, (not technically) then I'm ok with no more respects.