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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:24:00 -
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Wow, I thought we had moved on from this "more respecs" topic. I suggest starting a "DUST is doomed" or "I am leaving" much more current QQ subjects. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Wow, I thought we had moved on from this "more respecs" topic. I suggest starting a "DUST is doomed" or "I am leaving" much more current QQ subjects. Not all of us are as convinced of CCPs infinite wisdom, I guess Well, this is not something that feedback(QQ) will change. It is a design choice. Here comes the snarky bit. If you want a different game, feel free to start your own game company. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:26:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Jin Robot wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Wow, I thought we had moved on from this "more respecs" topic. I suggest starting a "DUST is doomed" or "I am leaving" much more current QQ subjects. Not all of us are as convinced of CCPs infinite wisdom, I guess Well, this is not something that feedback(QQ) will change. It is a design choice. Here comes the snarky bit. If you want a different game, feel free to start your own game company. Seriously? Here's your problem. People don't have to go start their own game company, all they have to do is something far simpler and pick up any other better designed game out there. This is what happens when a company looks at player feedback and then spits in their faces, the players aren't going to suck it up because their only alternative is something stupid like forming their own company, they're going to leave and the game is going to die. Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave. I'm sorry that some of us have foresight and would actually like to see the already terrible player retention increase, as opposed to decrease. Just because something is a design choice doesn't mean it's automatically right Donnerwerk wrote:when did I say anything about afking? You didn't, but what you're saying is don't use your SP because CCP is unpredictable and doesn't communicate decisions like this with us. So instead of playing the game and using your SP to enhance your experience, you sit on it, in the hopes that CCP gets something right SOONtm. AKA, AFKing with your SP If the only road to success was to compromise your vision and start doing things in a more traditional way, I would rather it die than turn into a shadow of what it started to be. It will succeed or it will fail, more important imo is seeing those that have faith in the vision and not catering to people who are not ready or willing to be apart of it. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:If the only road to success was to compromise your vision and start doing things in a more traditional way, I would rather it die than turn into a shadow of what it started to be. It will succeed or it will fail, more important imo is seeing those that have faith in the vision and not catering to people who are not ready or willing to be apart of it. Don't even ******* talk to me about the god damn vision. I'm sick and tired about hearing about their vision. You know how other companies show you their vision? They give you something to bite into. They release finished games. Sure they might charge you for the pleasure, and even charge you for their expansions, but you know what? You generally are playing a completed game. Don't even mention the vision until we have some kind of MMO aspects in this game. Vison. Yea, you're right, CCP <3 LSD me thinks. CCP is not "other companies" |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
856
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I've just never once played a lobby shooter where you were only allowed to use one build for months on end unless you paid the company to get you there quicker, or were forced to play in highly gimped fits (low SP) in order to enjoy other aspects of the game.
MMO's cover this by allowing you to do all sorts of things not related to shooting another player in the face as you slowly level up. Lobby shooters don't have this luxury. At one point nobody had ever ridden a bicycle. That did not mean A. Nobody wanted to ride one. B. It should not have been attempted. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:16:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:At one point nobody had ever ridden a bicycle. That did not mean A. Nobody wanted to ride one. B. It should not have been attempted. That has to be one of the worst and most random analogies I've ever seen.... All I'm saying is that the only thing to do in this game is shoot people in the face. Since the SP grind was increased without giving any real content in between, you have to literally spend months and months and months (less, if you open up your wallet) in order to play any other meaningful playstyles. New players have NO way of knowing how these will perform, hell, even vets are often left in the dark and forced to search through third party software to try and plan out builds that may very well be ripped apart with little notice. There is no meaning behind what you do. You shoot people. It's a lobby shooter. There are virtually NO mmo aspects that give this game anything fresh. The mechanics and graphics are basic and even subpar at times. The game modes are horrifically boring, and we've been playing them for over a year now. People acting like your build is "a choice that matters" are still caught in the lala land that CCPs admittedly small marketing devision has trapped you in. You dont understand the analogy because your mind is closed to the concept. You stating you have never played a fps like this as some kind of point about how CCP should just start doing things like a mainstream FPS backs the analogy. You have never seen it, its different ( remember know, my only stated opinion in this thread is anti constant respecs) and you are not ready or willing to try a new approach. Its not a bug, its not a glitch. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
856
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:22:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:At one point nobody had ever ridden a bicycle. That did not mean A. Nobody wanted to ride one. B. It should not have been attempted. That has to be one of the worst and most random analogies I've ever seen.... All I'm saying is that the only thing to do in this game is shoot people in the face. Since the SP grind was increased without giving any real content in between, you have to literally spend months and months and months (less, if you open up your wallet) in order to play any other meaningful playstyles. New players have NO way of knowing how these will perform, hell, even vets are often left in the dark and forced to search through third party software to try and plan out builds that may very well be ripped apart with little notice. There is no meaning behind what you do. You shoot people. It's a lobby shooter. There are virtually NO mmo aspects that give this game anything fresh. The mechanics and graphics are basic and even subpar at times. The game modes are horrifically boring, and we've been playing them for over a year now. People acting like your build is "a choice that matters" are still caught in the lala land that CCPs admittedly small marketing devision has trapped you in. You dont understand the analogy because your mind is closed to the concept. You stating you have never played a fps like this as some kind of point about how CCP should just start doing things like a mainstream FPS backs the analogy. You have never seen it, its different ( remember know, my only stated opinion in this thread is anti constant respecs) and you are not ready or willing to try a new approach. Its not a bug, its not a glitch. Tell that to people that have to focus on fighting to controls more than the guy in front of him, die to getting stuck on terrain more than the guy shooting back at him, spend SP on bugged skills that don't work or don't do what the text dictates what they do, have guns that shoot ghost rounds, have to hard reset their PS3 wondering if this is the reset that's going to kill it... Facepalm |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
856
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:27:00 -
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Sax Rage wrote:Jenza - Are you saying they're not going to complete the respecs they already promised? The ones that were in queue for? Seems like a troll response to still up rabble, I hope the alternative is sad. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
857
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:43:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Ncredible Beast wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I've just never once played a lobby shooter where you were only allowed to use one build for months on end unless you paid the company to get you there quicker, or were forced to play in highly gimped fits (low SP) in order to enjoy other aspects of the game.
MMO's cover this by allowing you to do all sorts of things not related to shooting another player in the face as you slowly level up. Lobby shooters don't have this luxury. I am glad dust 514 isn't one of them but planetside 2 is. Have CCP hired you to **** talk PS2 in every thread to try make Dust look better? 'Cause really, thats all you seem to be doing. Pay2Win or not, atleast Planetside 2 is a full game. The die hard Dust514 fanbois will be very lonely 2014. I think many of them want it to be their personal little play area. If the trolls and crybabies left, I do think we would enjoy it more. I have said before, I would rather it not succeed than be changed because of a bunch of whiners. |
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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
861
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:36:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Considering all the problems CCP is having with the Respecs it may be easier for them to Respec everybody rather than individuals or a specific skill tree.
I will not say whether I agree or disagree with Respecs in general but if they can not process everybody who requested one by the time Uprising 1.2 then a full Respec for everyone would be a final line under the matter.
Finally based on evidence it seems far easier for CCP to do a global Respec rather than a targeted one. The problem with that is uprising 1.2 is not the last update. If they allow a respec for it they set a precedent of respecs because of updates. Why isnt this understood? |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:40:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:@Jin - But the game is free so you will never control that also if CCP is actually looking to grow their playerbase they shouldnt be just appealing to EVE-ites who want to play around in the shooter portion of the universe. And I am far from an FPS specialist but the responses from many seem happy to wait till kingdom come for this utopia and tell any dissenting voices where to go while others (read not trolls and whingers) spend many hours putting forth great suggestions. I am not trying to control anything. I am just voicing an opinion (that CCP shares) about how I think constant respecs are bad. It is not the lobby shooter you are looking for. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 19:48:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Jin Robot wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Considering all the problems CCP is having with the Respecs it may be easier for them to Respec everybody rather than individuals or a specific skill tree.
I will not say whether I agree or disagree with Respecs in general but if they can not process everybody who requested one by the time Uprising 1.2 then a full Respec for everyone would be a final line under the matter.
Finally based on evidence it seems far easier for CCP to do a global Respec rather than a targeted one. The problem with that is uprising 1.2 is not the last update. If they allow a respec for it they set a precedent of respecs because of updates. Why isnt this understood? What don't you understand this isn't just some average update? The added dropsuits to finish off the heavy and light tiers are going to have a large impact on the game, not to forget the immense effect that having a properly functioning weapon range and damage falloff system will have on all weapon types across the board. This isn't "Oh, CCP added a new OP weapon I want a full respec so I can switch to it", this is "Oh crap, CCP just entirely changed how all weapons function and the basis for why I've pumped all of my SP into this weapon class is now a pile of trash" So then what about mechs? Jets? Speeders? Whatever else they come up with? Your argument is full of holes and having seen your posts before, I am not surprised. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
862
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:03:00 -
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Bull, the reason is that it creates a longer term thoughtful approach. Your choices matter. Sound familier? why do you need this feature? Are you all honestly that entitled that you wont invest any time? |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
862
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:05:00 -
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CCP should have never allowed the optional respec. Give a brat an inch, they will cry for a mile. |
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