In my opinion a weapon takes more skill if you have to actually hit your target who is strafing while you're also strafing, not just hit their general vicinity, I will will you credit that a mass driver takes more skill to use than a the flaylock pistol which does virtually the same splash damage as direct damage which is complete BS.

Says the guy that QQed about the TAC AR nerf and Fused Locus Grenades while using a CaLogi suit as an assault +1

Don't tell me to diversify, I did that for almost 8 months; noobs and people who can't decide what they want to play diversify. This game doesn't reward you for diversifying unless you're waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead in SP, and even then.

So perhaps investment was too strong of a word, but all in all, the point remains; you dump your SP in the hopes that your choices don't get ripped apart / were well educated, or you pretend like SP doesn't exist and further push the fact that this is a lobby shooter with little to no variation, despite what would appear like plenty of variation in suits and equipment.

It's been over a year, and you know what 90% of players still put in their high slots?

Complex damage mods or shield mods

I need to just stop this discussion, because every day I try to like this game lately I just end up hating it that much more.

Playing a game is not an investment. It's a pastime. Also, a car is not an investment, it's a purchase. It does cost a lot of money though, but that doesn't make it an investment. You should have diversified, as I said in my earlier post. Just like in real life. Picking the "best" isn't necessarily using your brain.

Also, I did agree that this stuff should be in game. But, using your brain, means working with what you've got. The future is always uncertain, so you should hedge your bets.

Actually, the only legitimate investment on that list is the Truck for the rancher. Now, a collectible car can be an investment, but not in the way you describe. An investment is an investment in an asset, or it can be an investment in something that appreciates.

The cost of something, either in time or money, doesn't define whether a transaction is an investment or not.

Cosgar, I have read many of your posts and you arent one I would put in that lot.

At the moment I am not frustrated that much with the game or even what CCP seems to be trying to achieve. I do have a big issue though with the lack of content that I would expect in a base product and also the sentiment that is put forth by many with regards to other games or players that came from other titles.

Many, including myself dont want this to be a clone of other titles but those other games do many things right in certain aspects. Also if you are a proven company you should be able to get things done in a reasonable time.

I also dont have much of an issue with pub stomping but I have issues with weapon balance when you expect a heavy investment into said weapons.

And Adapt or Die is a stupid sentiment in this game because it doesnt really apply, it should be AFK and read the forum and then skill into whats hot and have some fun.

I am really hoping for the best with these new updates but I am going to call CCP on things I dont think are acceptable. You cant flaunt your EVE cred and say you are putting out a top flight shooter and not deliver a quality title. You cant take jabs at other games about we dont make sequels and then deliver a piecemeal product.

I just call it how I see it.

[quote=DUST Fiend][quote=Cosgar][quote=Jin Robot]CCP should have never allowed the optional respec.

EvE Fanbois: CCP can do no wrong. Until it finally effects them enough to throw a riot. Why bother with the whole middle ground constructive dialogue approach? That takes too much time.

Since we're technically not even in full beta yet, it will be a while before I think the game's at a point to support a no-respec system.

Even then, tying people into a single playstyle for such a long period of time is a bad mechanic. It WILL lead to player burnout and poor retention of new players. But again, that's just another drop in the bucket of problems that will lead to new players dropping like flies.

Coming into this game with no respecs available, a new player will have 2 options:

1. Specialize on a role, as the system is designed, and have basically NO variability in playstyle for many months. Hell I've been playing this character for 6 months and my primary build isn't even close to being filled out. (Damn you, logis, and all your equipment!)

2. Spec broadly from the get go. They have variety in playstyle now, to avoid the crushing boredom of playing the same way for months on end. But now they've voluntarily gimped themselves for all those months of grinding.

That's it, those are your options. Be bored, or be gimp (and far less effective in competitive play).

Strict specialization will work in MMO's, but only if they have a variety of activities to be involved in. All the disparate activities you can perform are what keeps you from being locked into a SSDD routine, even if your spec remains mostly static. That's why the games can display the longevity they do, it takes a lot longer for people to become bored with the many different systems.

When you have a static playstyle/spec AND a static activity(singular)? That's poor design; it becomes boring far more quickly. It will have adverse effects on all of us, both the players and CCP.

And that's just one of the reasons I support a system for (occasional) respeccing.

The fact that this game doesn't even qualify as a Beta yet is another. Beta's are for testing core content and functionality, yet we don't even have the basic set of weapons, dropsuits, and vehicles fully implemented yet. And one of the biggest aspects of core functionality, PC and it's attendant systems, was just rolled out. This game is still between Alpha and Beta stages for any correct usage of the words.

Also, CCP can't figure out how to adjust and balance things without breaking them. That's partly a function of the very slow patch cycle. Instead of making relatively small adjustments, then observing the effects and proceeding accordingly, they get overly ambitious and make sweeping changes all at once in hopes of getting it right all at one time, because only God knows when the next patch might roll around with their next opportunity. Also, they haven't figured out that when you're presented with a list of options to balance an item, any one of which will resolve the issue on it's own, "Yes, we'll take them all" isn't the correct response.

Additionally, new players will make mistakes as they happily frolic around in the Academy, oblivious to what's about to happen to them. Personally I haven't made any mistakes in a spec, I'm pretty careful about how I allocate SP. Maybe playing Eve for one month many years ago helped, since I was familiar with the system; I don't know. I'm sure many of you have likewise had no issues. Guess what? No one gives a damn. No cookies are to be distributed on account of your 1337 SP allocating skills. When the newbie realizes the 700k SP he dumped into Plasma Cannons was a complete and utter waste, or that Laser Rifles aren't exactly useful, he's going to be upset, and rightfully so. And quite frankly this game is going to need all the help it can get in retaining players.

But hey, **** it.

Who cares if having a reasonable system for respeccing would have numerous positive benefits? That's not how Eve does it, and that's the only thing that matters!

'Dis **** is hardcore yo. HTFU noobz.

Fixed

On a console?

Most games on console are up to 32. There maybe some that are 48 but not sure.

Next Gen consoles will feature 64v64 combat as confirmed by BF4.

Edit - apologies - just looked it up.

Never played MAG, only played Xbox FPS's until Dust.

Testify.

I don't understand the massive boner CCP has for the idea of no respecs, especially in a game with so many choices and career paths, even alternate paths within the same career, like being a rez/rep/repair logi vs. a combat logi.

I'm pretty much a dedicated logi and I do enjoy it (when the frakin injectors are working right), but say one day I get a wild hair up my butt and decide, hey, I think I'd like to be a sniper for a little while? Or maybe I'd like to try out tanks, and see what that's like? This adds infinite replay-ability, and more enjoyment and immersion into the game. And when all that happens, the most important thing happens: I open my wallet.

I'm not necessarily talking about the ability to respec at will, like you can in Borderlands 2. I would be happy with the ability to respect every 3-6 months. Even once a year would be acceptable. Or how about the ability to buy SP back with ISK I've earned, so I can respec partially? The important point is, CCP should pay attention to the fact that I'm still playing BL2 after how long now? 9 months? That's like a bajillion years for a FPS. And I know you can't exactly compare them, but Dust performs nowhere near the level of BL2 at the moment, glitch-wise anyways.

Any career change now would require such a massive SP investment that would be better spent on my chosen career. So at this point, if I get bored of my chosen career, I can either:

1) Grind my butt off for the SP necessary to switch.
2) Go find another game to play.

I'm in my late 30s with a full-time job that requires mandatory overtime. I grind in real life, and I'm sure as *** not going to do it on my free time. When I eventually get bored of Dust (which, inevitably, all players will at some point or another), which of the above two options do you thing I'm gonna choose?