I'm still waiting to see a logical explanation for no respecs other than "EVE doesn't let you", "your choice matters", "no more respecs" or "cuz CCP says so"

I'm still waiting to see a logical explanation for no respecs other than "EVE doesn't let you", "your choice matters", "no more respecs" or "cuz CCP says so"

I'm on your side about respecs right now because Dust is still incomplete, but I got a serious question for you: Once we have all the racial weapons, suits, and vehicles, tutorials, a test lab mode to preview weapons and gear before you invest SP, and CCP stopped changing everything on a whim, would you be fine with there being no respecs?

I dunno how it actually works, but could it be a lot easier to simply give a global respec with the new patch?

As opposed to doing one merc at a time?

Many are still waiting and I don't really see a problem with respeccing those that haven't asked for it, it only takes minutes to buy into the same skills.

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I personally mean that when changes are made to the game, such as new suits, weapons, vehicles and large nerfs/buffs, a respec is in order.

I was clever enough to check the MD's stats before speccing into them at release, if they get fixed I'd rather like to spec into them again. I really don't wanna grind 3 months just for that....

I'm still waiting to see a logical explanation for no respecs other than "EVE doesn't let you", "your choice matters", "no more respecs" or "cuz CCP says so"

Why should there be no more respecs? I don't understand your mentality. Bringing flexibility and the options to try out different loadouts in an FPS is as important as allowing grass to grow with sunshine and water.

That may be the case, but the New Eden universe and its three unwavering principles wouldn't allow for respecs.

Adapt or die
Don't use what you can't afford to lose
Accept the permanent consequences of your choices

That may be the case, but the New Eden universe and its three unwavering principles wouldn't allow for respecs.

Adapt or die
Don't use what you can't afford to lose
Accept the permanent consequences of your choices

What if you log in tomorrow and Nova Knives are reverted back to how they operated in Chrome along with -%33 damage and an extra 2 sec charge delay without any forewarning let alone an amendment in the 1.1 patch notes? Will you still be using those mantra after the 4th wall has been broken?

When it comes to nova knives, I was the one who accepted the challenge during the time in which knives were that weak. I then made apparent that they were viable except for corp battles. That was before they were buffed.

I will still use the knives and just continue accepting and adapting to the challenge. Don't forget who you are talking to.

You didn't, but what you're saying is don't use your SP because CCP is unpredictable and doesn't communicate decisions like this with us. So instead of playing the game and using your SP to enhance your experience, you sit on it, in the hopes that CCP gets something right SOONtm.

AKA, AFKing with your SP

So, what I gather from all this debate is that the general consensus from most FPS players as opposed to the ones bringing their EVE holy mantra of "HTFU" and "adapt or die" is:

As long as the game is still in Beta, a respec is neccissary until most core content and major balancing issues are dealt with so that people can make informed choices and by extension take responsibility and live with the consequenses of those.

- Can we agree oon that? Have we actually accomplished anything here? Can one of the CPM relay this "general consensus" from the non-EVE crowd of this forum to CCP?

There are 2 sides to skill respecing :

1) One could say that not being able to respec makes players be more carefull and cautious when skilling up. And this is very true. It forces you to take into account your team's need, your personal gain, choose between versatility of your character or extreme effectiveness in one field.

Also, it avoids people all using the "flavor of the month" weapon or suit. This phenomenon is very obvious since the first
batch of respec (damn, so many more LLav and CalLogis).

Finally, you wouldnt want to see people respecing every 2 days to fill out a brand new role in PC. Knowing what your enemies are using is a key to strategy.

So, i dont believe in an all-out respec when you want system.


2) Being able to respec has some value as well. Especially for new players that may want to respec a part of their skills after getting a better grasp at the game or after joining a corporation in order to better fill the role needed there.

For older players, it's also the opportunity to re-new their experience by going for a brand new role without the exhausting grind. Though one could argue that this is how the game is intended to be played.

In my opinion, allowing for a respec every time something new is added to the game isnt the way to go. At least on the long run. I could agree with allowing a respec when missing racial heavy suits, light suits or vehicle are added though because it's no fair to those players considering middle frame suits had the opportunity to do so.Twice.

But those respec should be limited to those dedicated skills only.

Other than that, when a new specialty\weapon\vehicule is added, i dont think an automatic respec is a good idea. The more they play, the more players can afford to keep some SP ready for a brand new gear to be released.


Bottom line, i'd believe in an hybrid system.

A few auto-respec until the game has everything it should have for basic choices (aka, basic racial suits and vehicles).
Characters start with two optionnal respec. And get one every year of play time after that. Like it's done in EVE for attributes.




Except, we aint in beta anymore Odd i know.

Ok, so regarding basic content. I agree. Being able to have the full choice between the racial path you choose for a specific suit or vehicle only makes sense. That's something that i'm trying to do with the CPM. Avoid partial bits of stuff being released as it will only create such problem. Let's take an example. If CCP was to add MTACs in the next week but only adding the Minmatar MTAC. 3 month later when adding the 3 other type of MTACs, a new guy could consider it a basic role and think he's been cheated as he didnt have a choice at first.

So yeah, maybe in those cases it makes sense to auto-respec the skills involved. But i insist on the "skills involved" part.
Same thing could be done when they add combat rifle and rail rifle. I wouldnt be against resetting the AR and SCR skills. But nothing more.

Now, you mention over-buggs\nerfs. Yes that is an issue. But the more the game will advance, the less we may see those huge buff\nerf. The latest tac AR tweak is a nice example imo on how to lower a weapons efficiency without killing it completely. I know i still use it for long range engagement, as it is suppose to be.

Point being that balance will certainly be more and more prioritized once core elements are (finally) done.

I'd rather have CCP being forced to revert changes done than to offer an easy way to respec pretty much when you want. As it will kill very important aspects of the game as i said in my first post. There still needs to be some kind of involvement when you decide to skill into something. It shouldnt become a casual thing to do. Yet it shouldnt be a prison either.

Thus why i suggest something that would allow for a periodic respec. i said 1 a year but could be 6 month. Something that lets you try something new but isnt frequent enough to make the character skilling something trivial.

I think there should be a complete respec when all racial variants of dropsuits (with placeholder graphics?) AND new dropsuits (pilot, commando, including racial variants?) are implemented.

When that is done, the full scope for infantry dropsuits feel like it is complete, compared to the current situation where your choice is limited (hence it might not be the real choice you want to take: I-¦m thinking about the heavies here, but also assaults who might want to spec into the commando suit).

I hope we could respec the staff of CCP Shangai

If only Jenza and Saber could be as intellegent and thoughtful in their forum appearance as you and Kain, the CPM would have the communitys respect.

/le sigh

I have allready explained my opinion on respecs, in detail, on many of the other CAN HAZ RESPC or AURUM RESPEC threads that are around and frankly I'm getting tired of them. I really cant be assed to put a serious post to every bad post that comes around.