/le sigh

I have allready explained my opinion on respecs, in detail, on many of the other CAN HAZ RESPC or AURUM RESPEC threads that are around and frankly I'm getting tired of them. I really cant be assed to put a serious post to every bad post that comes around.

King Barbara just scared because he skilled all the Op stuff that's going to get nerfed.
1 respec per year IMHO. Most people have had theirs for this year.

/le sigh

I have allready explained my opinion on respecs, in detail, on many of the other CAN HAZ RESPC or AURUM RESPEC threads that are around and frankly I'm getting tired of them. I really cant be assed to put a serious post to every bad post that comes around.

King Barbara just scared because he skilled all the Op stuff that's going to get nerfed.
1 respec per year IMHO. Most people have had theirs for this year.

I'd rather have CCP being forced to revert changes done than to offer an easy way to respec pretty much when you want. As it will kill very important aspects of the game as i said in my first post. There still needs to be some kind of involvement when you decide to skill into something. It shouldnt become a casual thing to do. Yet it shouldnt be a prison either.

Thus why i suggest something that would allow for a periodic respec. i said 1 a year but could be 6 month. Something that lets you try something new but isnt frequent enough to make the character skilling something trivial.

@Babar
Yes, this argument is about speccing things which could get nerfed. Everyone spec'd Caldari Logi. Because it was obviously Op. Now people dont want to be "not the best".

Let me put it this way. I skilled AR. If the scrambler was better I'd still stick with my AR. It's part of my "character". Just the same as I'll stick Gallente. Doesn't matter to me unless they're nerfed SO hard I have to resort to tanks. I'm just as happy with a militia AR as a Duvolle.

The attitude you're getting from SI is because you sent unpleasant mails (words words words) about us to try and justify you leaving and your bad scores in corp matches. I said for along time you aren't all that, corp battles proved it. You decided to blame us instead of accepting you played badly. I haven't seen you use anything except protogear since Precursor build. 16mil sp by now?

I didn't insult you. It's my phone that changes Babar to Barbara. I just left it that way because it made me laugh.

Basically, I'm still waiting to see why people need a respec, when there are guys starting new chars with 500k SP. The whole "I invested in this game" thing is a joke. You invested in AUR to make your chat better than the next char. You did not buy shares in CCP.
Shareholders should get a respec :P

@Babar
Yes, this argument is about speccing things which could get nerfed. Everyone spec'd Caldari Logi. Because it was obviously Op. Now people dont want to be "not the best".

False... if you think the extra HP from the recial logi bonus (that obsorbs a whopping 2 AR bullets) makes it op then you havn't really looked at all the stats. Sure the calidari logi is more flexible allowing you to play support and go on the front lines when needed, however the assault is much better for the job. They have superior sprint and strafe speed (which is a much larger form of HP than shield/armor buffer), a much larger stamina pool and have sidearms to help finish off opponents. While the caldari logi may have more high slots it also has lower base hp (which affects the usefulness of the skills that improve base armor and shields).

Assault suits are still superior killers when compared to their logibro's however the trade off is logi's have greater flexability in changing up their role in the battlefield. The only tweak between the two suits I belive is needed is giving assaults their 2nd equipment slot back.

As I posted in Deluxe's thread:

I'd normally feel the same as Caz here regarding respecs, but let's be honest here. The gear balance well.....isn't. And the sands have by no means stopped shifting, I'm sure this won't be the last time we see stat changes to both weapons, dropsuits, and vehicles - and often these don't end up anywhere near where we as a community would like them. With such a large degree of inconsistency, I'm personally much more open minded about semi-frequent respecs, Perhaps once a quarter or once a month - even if there was an associated aurum cost.

When you think about it - nothing we love is sacred right now. No matter what we invest in, there is no guarantee it's going to behave the same way tomorrow, and just from a customer service perspective if the gunplay meta is going to see-saw so wildly for the next several months at least as the development process (hopefully) improves, everything about locking people into gear they're unhappy with screams "unfun".

Ultimately, skill point selections need to be meaningful - but in the meantime, I'm feeling much more Antoinette about this - I say let the people have their respecs each time there's a major shift. Is anyone really feeling like we're well out of beta mode anyways?

I was reading an E3 review on this game and they brought up that this game did not yet have a release date. I think people tend to forget this game is in open beta.

Respecs with major changes are probably warranted until "release."

It released a month ago today on 5/14/2013 (they wanted the snazzy 5/14 release date)

HAppy 1 month anniversary dust :p

As I posted in Deluxe's thread:

I'd normally feel the same as Caz here regarding respecs, but let's be honest here. The gear balance well.....isn't. And the sands have by no means stopped shifting, I'm sure this won't be the last time we see stat changes to both weapons, dropsuits, and vehicles - and often these don't end up anywhere near where we as a community would like them. With such a large degree of inconsistency, I'm personally much more open minded about semi-frequent respecs, Perhaps once a quarter or once a month - even if there was an associated aurum cost.

When you think about it - nothing we love is sacred right now. No matter what we invest in, there is no guarantee it's going to behave the same way tomorrow, and just from a customer service perspective if the gunplay meta is going to see-saw so wildly for the next several months at least as the development process (hopefully) improves, everything about locking people into gear they're unhappy with screams "unfun".

Ultimately, skill point selections need to be meaningful - but in the meantime, I'm feeling much more Antoinette about this - I say let the people have their respecs each time there's a major shift. Is anyone really feeling like we're well out of beta mode anyways?

It released a month ago today on 5/14/2013 (they wanted the snazzy 5/14 release date)

HAppy 1 month anniversary dust :p

But if they do allow a respec the players will naturally use that as a precedent to ask for another when it may not be appropriate, say if MTACs get released in all racial variants in an expansion.

This is just one more complication from pushing official release.

Invested your SP like a moron? No respec.

/le sigh

I have allready explained my opinion on respecs, in detail, on many of the other CAN HAZ RESPC or AURUM RESPEC threads that are around and frankly I'm getting tired of them. I really cant be assed to put a serious post to every bad post that comes around.

I dont see why you are against this. It would allow you to respec your corp into something meaningful since you have obviously been nerfed.

I dunno how it actually works, but could it be a lot easier to simply give a global respec with the new patch?

As opposed to doing one merc at a time?

Many are still waiting and I don't really see a problem with respeccing those that haven't asked for it, it only takes minutes to buy into the same skills.

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I personally mean that when changes are made to the game, such as new suits, weapons, vehicles and large nerfs/buffs, a respec is in order.

I was clever enough to check the MD's stats before speccing into them at release, if they get fixed I'd rather like to spec into them again. I really don't wanna grind 3 months just for that....

There are 2 sides to skill respecing :1) One could say that not being able to respec makes players be more carefull and cautious when skilling up. And this is very true. It forces you to take into account your team's need, your personal gain, choose between versatility of your character or extreme effectiveness in one field.

Also, it avoids people all using the "flavor of the month" weapon or suit. This phenomenon is very obvious since the first
batch of respec (damn, so many more LLav and CalLogis).

Finally, you wouldnt want to see people respecing every 2 days to fill out a brand new role in PC. Knowing what your enemies are using is a key to strategy.

So, i dont believe in an all-out respec when you want system.


2) Being able to respec has some value as well. Especially for new players that may want to respec a part of their skills after getting a better grasp at the game or after joining a corporation in order to better fill the role needed there.

For older players, it's also the opportunity to re-new their experience by going for a brand new role without the exhausting grind. Though one could argue that this is how the game is intended to be played.

In my opinion, allowing for a respec every time something new is added to the game isnt the way to go. At least on the long run. I could agree with allowing a respec when missing racial heavy suits, light suits or vehicle are added though because it's no fair to those players considering middle frame suits had the opportunity to do so.Twice.

But those respec should be limited to those dedicated skills only.

Other than that, when a new specialty\weapon\vehicule is added, i dont think an automatic respec is a good idea. The more they play, the more players can afford to keep some SP ready for a brand new gear to be released.


Bottom line, i'd believe in an hybrid system.

A few auto-respec until the game has everything it should have for basic choices (aka, basic racial suits and vehicles).
Characters start with two optionnal respec. And get one every year of play time after that. Like it's done in EVE for attributes.

Except, we aint in beta anymore Odd i know.

Ok, so regarding basic content. I agree. Being able to have the full choice between the racial path you choose for a specific suit or vehicle only makes sense. That's something that i'm trying to do with the CPM. Avoid partial bits of stuff being released as it will only create such problem. Let's take an example. If CCP was to add MTACs in the next week but only adding the Minmatar MTAC. 3 month later when adding the 3 other type of MTACs, a new guy could consider it a basic role and think he's been cheated as he didnt have a choice at first.

So yeah, maybe in those cases it makes sense to auto-respec the skills involved. But i insist on the "skills involved" part.
Same thing could be done when they add combat rifle and rail rifle. I wouldnt be against resetting the AR and SCR skills. But nothing more.

Now, you mention over-buggs\nerfs. Yes that is an issue. But the more the game will advance, the less we may see those huge buff\nerf. The latest tac AR tweak is a nice example imo on how to lower a weapons efficiency without killing it completely. I know i still use it for long range engagement, as it is suppose to be.

Point being that balance will certainly be more and more prioritized once core elements are (finally) done.

I'd rather have CCP being forced to revert changes done than to offer an easy way to respec pretty much when you want. As it will kill very important aspects of the game as i said in my first post. There still needs to be some kind of involvement when you decide to skill into something. It shouldnt become a casual thing to do. Yet it shouldnt be a prison either.

Thus why i suggest something that would allow for a periodic respec. i said 1 a year but could be 6 month. Something that lets you try something new but isnt frequent enough to make the character skilling something trivial.

Regarding specialties, i dont share the feeling. Because there may be more specialty in the future than pilote commando, scout, assault etc... In fact, there will be that's for sure.

Advancing the core conference hinted a "grenadier" using multiple grenade slots for example.

You can't just respec with every new addition. I know i will start having 1 / 1.5 Million SP unallocated the all time after i reach 15 Million SP ^^.

Still waiting for someone to state a good reason for a respec except for "they Nerfz meh"

@Babar
Get over it. If you don't remember all the "what suit to spec and why" convo then that's ok. My main point is you want a respec to re allocate things that guys like me, with half your SP, don't have in the first instance. I for example have no biotics. You say it's for the best "for the game" I say best for the top 10% guys. It wouldn't help or encourage new players in anyway, just give top tier guys less reason to use boosters.

At the end of the day I said what I did because YOU started the topic. YOU are carrying it on page after page. YOU are a full on AUR user with around 16mil SP.
Basically, if WHY do you need a respec? What would you skill into, or would you need to see all the stats after 1.2 before you decide? (if so, you are just speccing Op stuff, you see?).

A lot of us, especially those who have grown use to Eve Online, are just not willing to violate our own principles just for the sake of growing the player base.

Still waiting for someone to state a good reason for a respec except for "they Nerfz meh"

A lot of us, especially those who have grown use to Eve Online, are just not willing to violate our own principles just for the sake of growing the player base.

CCP needs to adapt to this new enterprise or more effectively manage the expectations, desires, and demands of its current and potential future player base.

If CCP, and the eve player base, can not Adapt then Dust will surely die or be that minor expansion to Eve a few players have heard about but have no interest in playing and certainly not pay into for boosters etc.

Still waiting for someone to state a good reason for a respec except for "they Nerfz

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