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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:26:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Jin Robot wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Wow, I thought we had moved on from this "more respecs" topic. I suggest starting a "DUST is doomed" or "I am leaving" much more current QQ subjects. Not all of us are as convinced of CCPs infinite wisdom, I guess Well, this is not something that feedback(QQ) will change. It is a design choice. Here comes the snarky bit. If you want a different game, feel free to start your own game company. Seriously? Here's your problem. People don't have to go start their own game company, all they have to do is something far simpler and pick up any other better designed game out there. This is what happens when a company looks at player feedback and then spits in their faces, the players aren't going to suck it up because their only alternative is something stupid like forming their own company, they're going to leave and the game is going to die. Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:Now you allready know that stuff may change over time. Harden up and prepare for it by saving SP or don't if you feel confident that your stuff won't get nerfed again So just like AFK, the best way to play DUST is to not Got it.
when did I say anything about afking?
I don't afk. Just yesterday i had a very very bad match. 13/16. The other team had good teamwork 2 full squads and most of them ran proto. I refuse to run proto in pubs. went into fights throug the hole game and made sure that at least 2 protos went home with negativ isk. This costed me 30k isk (yes i mean 30k not 300k) but sometimes you have to invest some isk
Cosgar: yes i see but how about just running an AR? The standard issue AR is enough to be successfull most of the time. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3680
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:31:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave.
I'm sorry that some of us have foresight and would actually like to see the already terrible player retention increase, as opposed to decrease.
Just because something is a design choice doesn't mean it's automatically right
Donnerwerk wrote:when did I say anything about afking? You didn't, but what you're saying is don't use your SP because CCP is unpredictable and doesn't communicate decisions like this with us. So instead of playing the game and using your SP to enhance your experience, you sit on it, in the hopes that CCP gets something right SOONtm.
AKA, AFKing with your SP |
hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
19
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Pretty sure they don't plan any more respecs at this time. New stuff comes out, start grinding.
Only people who deserve a respec now are heavies, as they don't have all of their racial suit options.
However, I think they need to reevaluate all of the suit bonuses, considering most of them are garbage and counter intuitive to the play style each race was designed for (armor tankers being the glaring problem).
At which, point once the suit bonuses are fixed and heavy racial variants are released, we should prob get another respec, given how much change there will be to the game (again)
Nor does Scout suits have all the races. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
783
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:33:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:Now you allready know that stuff may change over time. Harden up and prepare for it by saving SP or don't if you feel confident that your stuff won't get nerfed again So just like AFK, the best way to play DUST is to not Got it. when did I say anything about afking? I don't afk. Just yesterday i had a very very bad match. 13/16. The other team had good teamwork 2 full squads and most of them ran proto. I refuse to run proto in pubs. went into fights throug the hole game and made sure that at least 2 protos went home with negativ isk. This costed me 30k isk (yes i mean 30k not 300k) but sometimes you have to invest some isk Cosgar: yes i see but how about just running an AR? The standard issue AR is enough to be successfull most of the time.
But why should Cosgar change his playstyle because CCP decided to nerf a perfectly balanced weapon? |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:37:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:Now you allready know that stuff may change over time. Harden up and prepare for it by saving SP or don't if you feel confident that your stuff won't get nerfed again So just like AFK, the best way to play DUST is to not Got it. when did I say anything about afking? I don't afk. Just yesterday i had a very very bad match. 13/16. The other team had good teamwork 2 full squads and most of them ran proto. I refuse to run proto in pubs. went into fights throug the hole game and made sure that at least 2 protos went home with negativ isk. This costed me 30k isk (yes i mean 30k not 300k) but sometimes you have to invest some isk Cosgar: yes i see but how about just running an AR? The standard issue AR is enough to be successfull most of the time. But why should Cosgar change his playstyle because CCP decided to nerf a perfectly balanced weapon?
i liked the laser rifle. got nerfed to the ground. do you see me complain?
Addapt and overcome buttercup |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3681
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:40:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:i liked the laser rifle. got nerfed to the ground. do you see me complain? Addapt and overcome buttercup
So when the weapon or suit you like gets nerfed to the ground, and your playstyle becomes a chore at best, I guess you can adapt by grinding out another month or two of SP (or pay CCP $$ to help move you along) with your now gimped fit in order to get into a new style, that very well might suffer the exact same fate
You got it, buttercup |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave. I'm sorry that some of us have foresight and would actually like to see the already terrible player retention increase, as opposed to decrease. Just because something is a design choice doesn't mean it's automatically right Donnerwerk wrote:when did I say anything about afking? You didn't, but what you're saying is don't use your SP because CCP is unpredictable and doesn't communicate decisions like this with us. So instead of playing the game and using your SP to enhance your experience, you sit on it, in the hopes that CCP gets something right SOONtm. AKA, AFKing with your SP
do you have a bankaccount or do you just spend all you money on payday? Hoping nothing unforseen will happen? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3681
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:42:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:do you have a bankaccount or do you just spend all you money on payday? Hoping nothing unforseen will happen?
Do you not pay any of your bills, and just sit on all your money until you think you have enough to make you happy? |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
855
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave. I'm sorry that some of us have foresight and would actually like to see the already terrible player retention increase, as opposed to decrease. Just because something is a design choice doesn't mean it's automatically right Donnerwerk wrote:when did I say anything about afking? You didn't, but what you're saying is don't use your SP because CCP is unpredictable and doesn't communicate decisions like this with us. So instead of playing the game and using your SP to enhance your experience, you sit on it, in the hopes that CCP gets something right SOONtm. AKA, AFKing with your SP If the only road to success was to compromise your vision and start doing things in a more traditional way, I would rather it die than turn into a shadow of what it started to be. It will succeed or it will fail, more important imo is seeing those that have faith in the vision and not catering to people who are not ready or willing to be apart of it. |
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Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:do you have a bankaccount or do you just spend all you money on payday? Hoping nothing unforseen will happen? Do you not pay any of your bills, and just sit on all your money until you think you have enough to make you happy?
How did you know? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1569
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:44:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:i liked the laser rifle. got nerfed to the ground. do you see me complain? Addapt and overcome buttercup Laser nerf was in the patch notes, MD nerf wasn't and no info on bugs because they obviously didn't test it. Also, laser still gets kills, play with Jaden once in a while... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3681
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:46:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:If the only road to success was to compromise your vision and start doing things in a more traditional way, I would rather it die than turn into a shadow of what it started to be. It will succeed or it will fail, more important imo is seeing those that have faith in the vision and not catering to people who are not ready or willing to be apart of it.
Don't even ******* talk to me about the god damn vision.
I'm sick and tired about hearing about their vision. You know how other companies show you their vision? They give you something to bite into. They release finished games. Sure they might charge you for the pleasure, and even charge you for their expansions, but you know what? You generally are playing a completed game.
Don't even mention the vision until we have some kind of MMO aspects in this game.
Vison. Yea, you're right, CCP <3 LSD me thinks. |
hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
19
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:48:00 -
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I say it again, if dust had subscription the game would be in better shape. EvE is taking care of the minute there is a issue with the game. They receive players receive 50k sp as compensation for the downtime during that DDOs attack a week ago. Yet Dust 514 player gets told there working on composition. I lost 2 days of active boost, where is my compensation. Not asking for sp, but a extension on booster time is a must. Where out of beta so now any purchase i make that is unjustly taken away can become a legal matter. The problem is majority PC gamers are smart, your not going to con then out of investments, as far majority of Dust 514 players (console) , throw a new weapon in the market and they will forget all about what else they where screwed out of. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:i liked the laser rifle. got nerfed to the ground. do you see me complain? Addapt and overcome buttercup Laser nerf was in the patch notes, MD nerf wasn't and no info on bugs because they obviously didn't test it. Also, laser still gets kills, play with Jaden once in a while...
ahh you're jaden k. will hit you up to form squads :)
and lasers, if i ever meet them on the battlefield, get killed quickly. just close in and dont stand still. thats all you have to do to win 94.56% of the fight.
(percentage is purely made up) |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
693
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:49:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave. I'm sorry that some of us have foresight and would actually like to see the already terrible player retention increase, as opposed to decrease. Just because something is a design choice doesn't mean it's automatically right Donnerwerk wrote:when did I say anything about afking? You didn't, but what you're saying is don't use your SP because CCP is unpredictable and doesn't communicate decisions like this with us. So instead of playing the game and using your SP to enhance your experience, you sit on it, in the hopes that CCP gets something right SOONtm. AKA, AFKing with your SP
Here's the problem. The forum whiners and doomsayers actually believe that they run CCP. Dust isn't designed by forumites, and thankfully so. A design choice, is by design, and therefore automatically what CCP wants. It's not your call. You aren't that important. Please leave and stop trying to turn Dust into COD and it's ilk.
Some will leave. Some will stay. Dust will survive. You guys REALLY have an inflated sense of your self worth, and btw, the validity of your input.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:49:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:i liked the laser rifle. got nerfed to the ground. do you see me complain? Addapt and overcome buttercup
No weapon should be nerfed to the ground though. And you shouldnt be OK with that unless you are just a FotM weapon user who loves searching for the next OP. All skills should have use or be removed.
I could easily say, I want to "adapt" that SP in another area I use weapons I like and others that I find fit my playstyle. I really dont think its right that I should have to jump through hoops to use them or abandon them because of some silly axiom this game promotes.
Adapting should be tactics not finding out your weapon now shoots rainbows. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
693
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:50:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Then do that, leave. Its like you are in line to get a free Dali painting and then give "feedback" on how you dont want any melting clocks in it. It is not a bug, it is a design choice. If you dont want it, accept it and leave. I'm sorry that some of us have foresight and would actually like to see the already terrible player retention increase, as opposed to decrease. Just because something is a design choice doesn't mean it's automatically right Donnerwerk wrote:when did I say anything about afking? You didn't, but what you're saying is don't use your SP because CCP is unpredictable and doesn't communicate decisions like this with us. So instead of playing the game and using your SP to enhance your experience, you sit on it, in the hopes that CCP gets something right SOONtm. AKA, AFKing with your SP If the only road to success was to compromise your vision and start doing things in a more traditional way, I would rather it die than turn into a shadow of what it started to be. It will succeed or it will fail, more important imo is seeing those that have faith in the vision and not catering to people who are not ready or willing to be apart of it.
QFFT |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
856
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:If the only road to success was to compromise your vision and start doing things in a more traditional way, I would rather it die than turn into a shadow of what it started to be. It will succeed or it will fail, more important imo is seeing those that have faith in the vision and not catering to people who are not ready or willing to be apart of it. Don't even ******* talk to me about the god damn vision. I'm sick and tired about hearing about their vision. You know how other companies show you their vision? They give you something to bite into. They release finished games. Sure they might charge you for the pleasure, and even charge you for their expansions, but you know what? You generally are playing a completed game. Don't even mention the vision until we have some kind of MMO aspects in this game. Vison. Yea, you're right, CCP <3 LSD me thinks. CCP is not "other companies" |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3682
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:51:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:CCP is not "other companies" I know that, I play DUST
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hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
20
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:51:00 -
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O just incase some wise guy say's prove it about the Eve 50K sp compensation for DDos downtime here is a linkhttp://www.geimin.co.uk/category/eve-online/ |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:53:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
Here's the problem. The forum whiners and doomsayers actually believe that they run CCP. Dust isn't designed by forumites, and thankfully so. A design choice, is by design, and therefore automatically what CCP wants. It's not your call. You aren't that important. Please leave and stop trying to turn Dust into COD and it's ilk.
Some will leave. Some will stay. Dust will survive. You guys REALLY have an inflated sense of your self worth, and btw, the validity of your input.
So they wanted Roadkill Rampage and Pot Shot Safari
Shouldve put that in a Devblog |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
265
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:55:00 -
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Something tells me that we're going to have more than a few "Logi's" crying for a repec in the near future... |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
420
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:56:00 -
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I want to respec into LR again because I'm bored of the LAV + heavy easy mode and I miss my baby. But for that I'll need to grind another 4 million HP for the proto Amarr assault and proto LR with prof +5. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3682
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:56:00 -
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I've just never once played a lobby shooter where you were only allowed to use one build for months on end unless you paid the company to get you there quicker, or were forced to play in highly gimped fits (low SP) in order to enjoy other aspects of the game.
MMO's cover this by allowing you to do all sorts of things not related to shooting another player in the face as you slowly level up. Lobby shooters don't have this luxury. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1569
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:57:00 -
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Donnerwerk wrote:Cosgar wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:i liked the laser rifle. got nerfed to the ground. do you see me complain? Addapt and overcome buttercup Laser nerf was in the patch notes, MD nerf wasn't and no info on bugs because they obviously didn't test it. Also, laser still gets kills, play with Jaden once in a while... ahh you're jaden k. will hit you up to form squads :) and lasers, if i ever meet them on the battlefield, get killed quickly. just close in and dont stand still. thats all you have to do to win 94.56% of the fight. (percentage is purely made up) My point is that you got forewarned about the laser and got a chance to say "Hey, I might not like this weapon anymore, maybe I'll try this instead..." I didn't get that, a lot of people didn't get that chance because the patch notes had more holes than a plot in a M Night Shyamalan movie. On top of that Uprising was incomplete because I'll be damned if a Dev actually tested the laser, MD, tanks, derpships and the HMG. Hell, I want to see them test these things right now and try to tell us with a straight face that they're perfectly balanced.
Also, there are still quit a few people out there that can put in work with a laser. I don't know how they do it, but they manage it somehow. Probably because their weapon is actually relaible.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
694
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:58:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Here's the problem. The forum whiners and doomsayers actually believe that they run CCP. Dust isn't designed by forumites, and thankfully so. A design choice, is by design, and therefore automatically what CCP wants. It's not your call. You aren't that important. Please leave and stop trying to turn Dust into COD and it's ilk.
Some will leave. Some will stay. Dust will survive. You guys REALLY have an inflated sense of your self worth, and btw, the validity of your input.
So they wanted Roadkill Rampage and Pot Shot Safari Shouldve put that in a Devblog
That will be iterated out.
I was referring to the debate about the design choice of not having respecs, and the debate around not having respecs. You see, bumper cars etc isn't a design choice. It is a manifestation of imbalances, mostly in the matchmaker. That's different than a design choice to make SP decisions meaningful. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
856
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I've just never once played a lobby shooter where you were only allowed to use one build for months on end unless you paid the company to get you there quicker, or were forced to play in highly gimped fits (low SP) in order to enjoy other aspects of the game.
MMO's cover this by allowing you to do all sorts of things not related to shooting another player in the face as you slowly level up. Lobby shooters don't have this luxury. At one point nobody had ever ridden a bicycle. That did not mean A. Nobody wanted to ride one. B. It should not have been attempted. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1569
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:03:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Something tells me that we're going to have more than a few "Logi's" crying for a repec in the near future... If it's all logis, I'm officially done with this game and sending getting a refund through Sony like everyone else has. If a stackable %35 shield efficiency bonus on one suit doesn't scream "Nerf me! Leave the others alone!" I don't know what does... |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:05:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Donnerwerk wrote:i liked the laser rifle. got nerfed to the ground. do you see me complain? Addapt and overcome buttercup No weapon should be nerfed to the ground though. And you shouldnt be OK with that unless you are just a FotM weapon user who loves searching for the next OP. All skills should have use or be removed. I could easily say, I want to "adapt" that SP in another area I use weapons I like and others that I find fit my playstyle. I really dont think its right that I should have to jump through hoops to use them or abandon them because of some silly axiom this game promotes. Adapting should be tactics not finding out your weapon now shoots rainbows.
not FotM user. didn't spec into whatever fit was popular apart from lasers. I play what i like. if it's broken... well i usually try to make it work for me and my playstyle.
(Btw: not saying that CCP hasn't got anything to work on and everything is perfect. Many many things are obviously broken. I just don't see most of CCP's employees as professionals. Last addition to the non professional employees being Mintchip. Therefor i cut them some slack because i know they try but as i said... sometimes not very professional.
If CCP should be willing to copy anything from an other game then its the DEV, communitiy communications policy from Planetside 2 bringing updates and reworks to Planetside every month including a roadmap for many months an precise communication for upcomming updates.)
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