And especially when things get ninja nerfed on a whim. I'm not talking about the TAC AR that got a love tap, but when they bring down Mjolnir on something and never mention it in the patch notes. Contrary to what any heavy will tell you, CCP doesn't hate them, they respected them enough to forewarn them and let them keep the jar when they got neutered.

In a game about living with the consequences of your actions, they're sure breaking the 4th wall and changing those consequences too much that your actions won't matter in the end.

At one point nobody had ever ridden a bicycle. That did not mean A. Nobody wanted to ride one. B. It should not have been attempted.

That will be iterated out.

I was referring to the debate about the design choice of not having respecs, and the debate around not having respecs. You see, bumper cars etc isn't a design choice. It is a manifestation of imbalances, mostly in the matchmaker. That's different than a design choice to make SP decisions meaningful.

That will be iterated out.

I was referring to the debate about the design choice of not having respecs, and the debate around not having respecs. You see, bumper cars etc isn't a design choice. It is a manifestation of imbalances, mostly in the matchmaker. That's different than a design choice to make SP decisions meaningful.

That has to be one of the worst and most random analogies I've ever seen....

All I'm saying is that the only thing to do in this game is shoot people in the face.

Since the SP grind was increased without giving any real content in between, you have to literally spend months and months and months (less, if you open up your wallet) in order to play any other meaningful playstyles. New players have NO way of knowing how these will perform, hell, even vets are often left in the dark and forced to search through third party software to try and plan out builds that may very well be ripped apart with little notice.

There is no meaning behind what you do. You shoot people. It's a lobby shooter. There are virtually NO mmo aspects that give this game anything fresh. The mechanics and graphics are basic and even subpar at times. The game modes are horrifically boring, and we've been playing them for over a year now.

People acting like your build is "a choice that matters" are still caught in the lala land that CCPs admittedly small marketing devision has trapped you in.

You dont understand the analogy because your mind is closed to the concept. You stating you have never played a fps like this as some kind of point about how CCP should just start doing things like a mainstream FPS backs the analogy. You have never seen it, its different ( remember know, my only stated opinion in this thread is anti constant respecs) and you are not ready or willing to try a new approach. Its not a bug, its not a glitch.

You dont understand the analogy because your mind is closed to the concept. You stating you have never played a fps like this as some kind of point about how CCP should just start doing things like a mainstream FPS backs the analogy. You have never seen it, its different ( remember know, my only stated opinion in this thread is anti constant respecs) and you are not ready or willing to try a new approach. Its not a bug, its not a glitch.

Ding! Ding! Ding! You just said the secret word!

When CCP said that matchmaking wasn't a priority, I knew it was going to come and bite them in the ass. Matchmaking isn't just an issue for newer players being stomped out by vets, it's an issue about balancing game mechanics.

Look at the Freedom MD last build for example. I used to crush people with that thing in pub matches because I had a prototype weapon with prof 5, going against people running militia and standard suits. In CBs, I had to quad stack CDMs just to have a fighting chance against other suits. That's just one weapon, imagine this with everything in the game. No, don't imagine it, it's a reality. Not having matchmaking ruined balance from the beginning.

I've just never once played a lobby shooter where you were only allowed to use one build for months on end unless you paid the company to get you there quicker, or were forced to play in highly gimped fits (low SP) in order to enjoy other aspects of the game.

MMO's cover this by allowing you to do all sorts of things not related to shooting another player in the face as you slowly level up. Lobby shooters don't have this luxury.

I am glad dust 514 isn't one of them but planetside 2 is.

Facepalm

Point taken but my whole philosophy of the no respec (which I agree with) is that if you want things to be meaningful and you want a player to chart a course then give them the necessary tools. I shouldnt have to wait, then come on forums to find out that skilling up in certain things are trash and weapons that should act a certain way dont.

Take the MD, I loved it because I am not the most accurate and I could at least aid my team in controlling an area and if lucky I could get to an elevated spot and just damage the opponent. Now players dont even blink at you. Also profile dampening and precision and range amplification. Sounds decent in the description but after playing and listening to other vets I found out its a total waste to use them at this point in time.

How long is a person expected to wait for these things to be iterated out, especially when Devs arent really saying what is working as expected, it has to be pulled out of them by constant posting on subjects. If you are just a normal player you will just say this is sh!t and be done with it. And for the EVE-its that say "has your stuff" and go back to (insert better FPS product) that only ensures the game stays will a small player base which only suits them, not developer or new people who would love to enjoy the EVE vision.

no more respecs.

Jenza - Are you saying they're not going to complete the respecs they already promised? The ones that were in queue for?

And to respond to the OP.

A global respec could mess things up, because if someone has already invested into what they want and then a global respec comes, and somehow they mess it up, they're going to demand another one.

Best solution is to have a MAG like respec option, once you reach a certain amount of WP, you get the option to respec, and if you do, the WP needed to get another respec increases.

So you're actively pushing for detailed tutorials, full weapon and suit information, and ways to test suits and playstyles extensively before actually investing in them?

You know, even car dealerships let you test drive the car, and they don't make you drive a terrible beaten up car in order to judge if you like the new one or not.

This might be the EVE universe, but it's not EVE; it's an FPS. In EVE you have a ton of stuff to do. You can be a trader, you can be an industrialist, you can explore the galaxy, you can ruin peoples day, you can protect miners, you can be a miner, you can troll around low / null alone or in packs, you can constantly have something to work towards, you can enjoy stunning visuals, you can scam and provide contracts, you can go ratting, you can fight for the empires in meaningful ways, etc etc.

You know what you do in DUST?

Shoot people.

The community here would rather see people leave Dust then get a respec and be a potential threat with new skills.

Wow, so you test drive candy bars, and routers, and coffee cups, and lawn mowers? Your "even car dealers" is a little disingenuous.

Now, I agree that all of this should be in game, but Dust, like Eve, rewards those who use their brain. Using your brain means asking "what can I find out" before spending money or SP, whereas stupid means asking "why didn't you tell me"

I don't exactly call buying a candy bar, router, coffee cup, or even a lawn mower to be much of an investment

Putting months and months of your time into a single build in order to remain competitive; that's an investment, like buying a car is an investment.

I used my brain, I went for ARs and Heavies so that way I can be repped by my squad, have access to lolmilitia forge guns, and actually take a hit (also in anticipation of Commando's, which already look horrible....2 highs and 1 low at proto...HAHAHAHAHA)

Fact is you can't expect to retain a healthy number of FPS players if you don't tell them anything about the skill system or progression and then go LOL should have stuck your head on google for a month and figured it out yourself. Oh, and it's your fault that CCP nerfed the crap out of that suit you thought you liked.

Too bad bro, adapt or die

I really am stupid though. If I was smart, I would have sat on my SP from my respec for the next 3 months, maybe by then we'd have some form of stability in this game and my decisions might actually be worth a damn.

Playing a game is not an investment. It's a pastime. Also, a car is not an investment, it's a purchase. It does cost a lot of money though, but that doesn't make it an investment. You should have diversified, as I said in my earlier post. Just like in real life. Picking the "best" isn't necessarily using your brain.

Also, I did agree that this stuff should be in game. But, using your brain, means working with what you've got. The future is always uncertain, so you should hedge your bets.

Every day I try to like this game lately I just end up hating it that much more.

Don't tell me to diversify, I did that for almost 8 months; noobs and people who can't decide what they want to play diversify. This game doesn't reward you for diversifying unless you're waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead in SP, and even then.

So perhaps investment was too strong of a word, but all in all, the point remains; you dump your SP in the hopes that your choices don't get ripped apart / were well educated, or you pretend like SP doesn't exist and further push the fact that this is a lobby shooter with little to no variation, despite what would appear like plenty of variation in suits and equipment.

It's been over a year, and you know what 90% of players still put in their high slots?

Complex damage mods or shield mods

I need to just stop this discussion, because every day I try to like this game lately I just end up hating it that much more.

I don't really know what to tell you. I agree that there should be more info in game, but you're still stuck on "should" rather than "is". Dust will always be changing. This is why I diversify.

If it's all logis, I'm officially done with this game and getting a refund through Sony like everyone else that left did. If a stackable %35 shield efficiency bonus on one suit doesn't scream "Nerf me! Leave the others alone!" I don't know what does...

PS: My suit's racial bonus is only OP in 2 game modes...