i vote for: NO RESPEC ever

I imagine it's a swipe at us still being in Beta instead of full release

I don't think I've seen anyone post a single good reason for having no respecs, across multiple threads.

Every argument against them that I've seen all boil down to, "but that's how EvE does it, so it's the right way."

Now it appears the Devs are going to go the "no respecs" route, and that's their prerogative. It's also yet another entry on their long list of mistakes that is driving casuals and non-EvE fans away.

But hey that list is getting pretty long at this point so I suppose getting too worked up over a single line item on it is a waste of time at this point.

But it's still a mistake.

Bull, the reason is that it creates a longer term thoughtful approach. Your choices matter. Sound familier? why do you need this feature? Are you all honestly that entitled that you wont invest any time?

Scouts are already in a bad spot, I wasn't about to skill into them only to have the game get a performance boost and directly nerf them even further.

I dont think 32 players is truly feasible for CCP

There are 2 sides to skill respecing :

1) One could say that not being able to respec makes players be more carefull and cautious when skilling up. And this is very true. It forces you to take into account your team's need, your personal gain, choose between versatility of your character or extreme effectiveness in one field.

Also, it avoids people all using the "flavor of the month" weapon or suit. This phenomenon is very obvious since the first
batch of respec (damn, so many more LLav and CalLogis).

Finally, you wouldnt want to see people respecing every 2 days to fill out a brand new role in PC. Knowing what your enemies are using is a key to strategy.

So, i dont believe in an all-out respec when you want system.


2) Being able to respec has some value as well. Especially for new players that may want to respec a part of their skills after getting a better grasp at the game or after joining a corporation in order to better fill the role needed there.

For older players, it's also the opportunity to re-new their experience by going for a brand new role without the exhausting grind. Though one could argue that this is how the game is intended to be played.

In my opinion, allowing for a respec every time something new is added to the game isnt the way to go. At least on the long run. I could agree with allowing a respec when missing racial heavy suits, light suits or vehicle are added though because it's no fair to those players considering middle frame suits had the opportunity to do so.Twice.

But those respec should be limited to those dedicated skills only.

Other than that, when a new specialty\weapon\vehicule is added, i dont think an automatic respec is a good idea. The more they play, the more players can afford to keep some SP ready for a brand new gear to be released.


Bottom line, i'd believe in an hybrid system.

A few auto-respec until the game has everything it should have for basic choices (aka, basic racial suits and vehicles).
Characters start with two optionnal respec. And get one every year of play time after that. Like it's done in EVE for attributes.




Except, we aint in beta anymore Odd i know.

Ok, so regarding basic content. I agree. Being able to have the full choice between the racial path you choose for a specific suit or vehicle only makes sense. That's something that i'm trying to do with the CPM. Avoid partial bits of stuff being released as it will only create such problem. Let's take an example. If CCP was to add MTACs in the next week but only adding the Minmatar MTAC. 3 month later when adding the 3 other type of MTACs, a new guy could consider it a basic role and think he's been cheated as he didnt have a choice at first.

So yeah, maybe in those cases it makes sense to auto-respec the skills involved. But i insist on the "skills involved" part.
Same thing could be done when they add combat rifle and rail rifle. I wouldnt be against resetting the AR and SCR skills. But nothing more.

Now, you mention over-buggs\nerfs. Yes that is an issue. But the more the game will advance, the less we may see those huge buff\nerf. The latest tac AR tweak is a nice example imo on how to lower a weapons efficiency without killing it completely. I know i still use it for long range engagement, as it is suppose to be.

Point being that balance will certainly be more and more prioritized once core elements are (finally) done.

I'd rather have CCP being forced to revert changes done than to offer an easy way to respec pretty much when you want. As it will kill very important aspects of the game as i said in my first post. There still needs to be some kind of involvement when you decide to skill into something. It shouldnt become a casual thing to do. Yet it shouldnt be a prison either.

Thus why i suggest something that would allow for a periodic respec. i said 1 a year but could be 6 month. Something that lets you try something new but isnt frequent enough to make the character skilling something trivial.

/le sigh

I have allready explained my opinion on respecs, in detail, on many of the other CAN HAZ RESPC or AURUM RESPEC threads that are around and frankly I'm getting tired of them. I really cant be assed to put a serious post to every bad post that comes around.

King Barbara just scared because he skilled all the Op stuff that's going to get nerfed.
1 respec per year IMHO. Most people have had theirs for this year.

@Babar
Yes, this argument is about speccing things which could get nerfed. Everyone spec'd Caldari Logi. Because it was obviously Op. Now people dont want to be "not the best".

Let me put it this way. I skilled AR. If the scrambler was better I'd still stick with my AR. It's part of my "character". Just the same as I'll stick Gallente. Doesn't matter to me unless they're nerfed SO hard I have to resort to tanks. I'm just as happy with a militia AR as a Duvolle.

The attitude you're getting from SI is because you sent unpleasant mails (words words words) about us to try and justify you leaving and your bad scores in corp matches. I said for along time you aren't all that, corp battles proved it. You decided to blame us instead of accepting you played badly. I haven't seen you use anything except protogear since Precursor build. 16mil sp by now?

I didn't insult you. It's my phone that changes Babar to Barbara. I just left it that way because it made me laugh.

Basically, I'm still waiting to see why people need a respec, when there are guys starting new chars with 500k SP. The whole "I invested in this game" thing is a joke. You invested in AUR to make your chat better than the next char. You did not buy shares in CCP.
Shareholders should get a respec :P

False... if you think the extra HP from the recial logi bonus (that obsorbs a whopping 2 AR bullets) makes it op then you havn't really looked at all the stats. Sure the calidari logi is more flexible allowing you to play support and go on the front lines when needed, however the assault is much better for the job. They have superior sprint and strafe speed (which is a much larger form of HP than shield/armor buffer), a much larger stamina pool and have sidearms to help finish off opponents. While the caldari logi may have more high slots it also has lower base hp (which affects the usefulness of the skills that improve base armor and shields).

Assault suits are still superior killers when compared to their logibro's however the trade off is logi's have greater flexability in changing up their role in the battlefield. The only tweak between the two suits I belive is needed is giving assaults their 2nd equipment slot back.

Still waiting for someone to state a good reason for a respec except for "they Nerfz meh"

@Babar
Get over it. If you don't remember all the "what suit to spec and why" convo then that's ok. My main point is you want a respec to re allocate things that guys like me, with half your SP, don't have in the first instance. I for example have no biotics. You say it's for the best "for the game" I say best for the top 10% guys. It wouldn't help or encourage new players in anyway, just give top tier guys less reason to use boosters.

At the end of the day I said what I did because YOU started the topic. YOU are carrying it on page after page. YOU are a full on AUR user with around 16mil SP.
Basically, if WHY do you need a respec? What would you skill into, or would you need to see all the stats after 1.2 before you decide? (if so, you are just speccing Op stuff, you see?).