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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
180
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Posted - 2013.05.28 13:49:00 -
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We are aware of issues regarding user skills and ISK as of downtime today the 28th of May. We are working to resolve these issues as soon as possible. On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.
Please note that users and corporations affected by skill or ISK issues should refrain from spending extra ISK or SP as such gains/losses are subject to reversal and may in extreme cases lead to a negative balance based on player actions.
[ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ] |
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CLAYTON84
Not Guilty EoN.
7
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:20:00 -
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wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. |
Roy Xkillerz
Red Star. EoN.
21
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:22:00 -
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Compared to the eve market most people will not have over a few hunderd mil isk. Can't hurt that much? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
26
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:27:00 -
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well, the sudden appearance of 100m isk that you didnt earn, and subsequently spent isnt really punishment, you simply wont be able to buy anything else until you can get back to a positive balance.
i have had experience with negative wallet balance before, it can be frustrating, but not the end of the world, especially in a case such as this where you admitted to having spent it.
if you were to have logged in and your wallet was to be negative due to their error, you would rage at them and demand a reimbursement to get back to positive... yet expect to be able to spend the excessive unearned isk as if it were your own.
earn the isk you have spent to get back positive seems fair to me. but i also had 153m before the *feature* was released, and dont see how i could have spent the additional 160m ontop of that to end up negative anyways |
Nebra Tene
Roaming Blades
2
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:28:00 -
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CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time.
That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?"
I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it.
Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it.
@CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct? |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:28:00 -
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yeah since there is no player driven market yet an apology and just letting us go with the isk would be great.. having mistakes like this happening still prove this game is in "perpetual beta" still.. |
Katius Maximus
Red Star. EoN.
19
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:42:00 -
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Thanks CCP now i will be -100mil ISK ,donated it to my corp.If ccp are going to take this ISK back they can take it from my corp wallet.Im sure they have the records to see i donated that money and take the appropriate action.
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Illuminaughty-696
Galere Omega Battle Services
267
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:51:00 -
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You kind of have to expect this from CCP now. Welcome to the DUST Beta 2.0. Glad I haven't been playing all that much. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
26
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:52:00 -
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or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction |
Che Cortez
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:56:00 -
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Katius Maximus wrote:Thanks CCP now i will be -100mil ISK ,donated it to my corp.If ccp are going to take this ISK back they can take it from my corp wallet.Im sure they have the records to see i donated that money and take the appropriate action.
Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? |
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Clavain Vegas
Pokerchip Surveillance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:58:00 -
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Its the extra SP that he mentioned thats got me thinking.
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jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1634
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:05:00 -
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logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:05:00 -
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Hell no CCP, You can take your isk back if you have to but at the cost of having all of those who DID spend their cash or donate already be negatively impacted is a huge no go!
If you can't figure out a way to prevent that negative wallet balance or properly revert everyone's wallets back to pre-downtime values, then you need to call it a loss and let everyone keep the ISK. I doubt an extra 100 million ISK is a gamebreaker... |
Rhorian Darkstar
Dark Force Katana General Tso's Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:07:00 -
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I got my respected and had my items reset do I get to keep the 32 mil o got or am going to get screw over? |
Dexter Peabody
GoonFeet
56
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:09:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal. then how did the cavemen survive huh
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:12:00 -
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You knew with full knowledge that the sudden ISK boost was illegitimate and yet you took advantage of it while looking the other way. You reap what you sow.
And technically you didnt lose anything, you still got equipment/gear you paid for with your own money. The money you spent on corp still goes to your corp, if you want you can ask for it back.
Dexter Peabody wrote:then how did the cavemen survive huh
By doing Geico commercials. |
JX1
GoonFeet
38
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:13:00 -
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Joe Random is an average guy, average job, average house, average wife and family. One day he finds that his bank balance shows seven digits from one deposit he did not ask for and cannot trace. Joe Random spends the money, then gets grumpy when the bank takes it back, putting his account into negative. Joe Random is not bright.
Bobby Business in the same situation decides to alert the bank of the mistake, but goes about paying his bills, making note to stay within his normal budgetary limits. Bobby Business is smart.
Don't be a Joe Random. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:14:00 -
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Dexter Peabody wrote:jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal. then how did the cavemen survive huh
The same way we play dust unless we want to show support |
Katius Maximus
Red Star. EoN.
19
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:15:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction
why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated.
Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you?
i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:17:00 -
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JX1 wrote:Joe Random is an average guy, average job, average house, average wife and family. One day he finds that his bank balance shows seven digits from one deposit he did not ask for and cannot trace. Joe Random spends the money, then gets grumpy when the bank takes it back, putting his account into negative. Joe Random is not bright.
Bobby Business in the same situation decides to alert the bank of the mistake, but goes about paying his bills, making note to stay within his normal budgetary limits. Bobby Business is smart.
Don't be a Joe Random.
Actually Bobby Business takes that money, invests it and makes a crap load of money and only gives back a portion because he has friends at CCP or he gives them free stuff. |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
27
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:19:00 -
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put isk into my wallet, and ill send it back TRIPLED! *legit* #notascam
amidoinitrite? |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
342
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:19:00 -
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Judy Maat wrote:yeah since there is no player driven market yet an apology and just letting us go with the isk would be great.. having mistakes like this happening still prove this game is in "perpetual beta" still..
As much as this sucks, its necessary, as not everyone got the same amount. Some people have ZERO isk and other have literally billions. it has to be reversed bc it isn't putting people on fair grounds, and it is, after all, a game. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:27:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:You knew with full knowledge that the sudden ISK boost was illegitimate and yet you took advantage of it while looking the other way. You reap what you sow. And technically you didnt lose anything, you still got equipment/gear you paid for with your own money. The money you spent on corp still goes to your corp, if you want you can ask for it back. Dexter Peabody wrote:then how did the cavemen survive huh
By doing Geico commercials.
How would anyone know it was illegitimate? CCP does a respec over night you log on and find an extra 100 million ISK in your wallet.
"Ok cool, I must've been reimbursed for something they took out."
Is the the first thought that crosses everyone's mind who doesn't follow this forum.
Not, CCP does a respec over night you log on and find an extra 100 million ISK in your wallet.
" OH SH!T CCP F#CKED UP, I SHOULD AVOID SPENDING ANY ISK BECAUSE MY WALLET MIGHT GET RESET TO ZERO!!"
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Dexter Peabody
GoonFeet
56
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:30:00 -
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nbd i woke up with a billion isk and decided to splurge on 300 prototanks |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:32:00 -
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People who go in the negative over this should have their characters deleted for being greedy bastards |
Abu Stij
GoonFeet
121
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:32:00 -
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Meet CCP, twenty years old. Fed up with life and the way things are going, They decide to give out a respec. ("I can't take this no more, I can't take it no more homes") But on its way out, they has a sudden change of heart. And suddenly, their conscience comes into play... ("**** is mine, I gotta do this.. gotta do this") |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
74
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:35:00 -
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Not worried about the Isk issue as I didn't spend any of it. However, I would be concerned about the SP I have already spent and the SP I have made through battles today.
So take the Isk if you must however if I lose the SP I have spent on skills or the SP I have earned through battles today then I will be pretty dam**d annoyed with a wasted day trying to reach the Weekly SP cap.
And what about the people who planned out there toon using the fitting tool and have already spent all their SP? |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
6
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:36:00 -
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Its only fair that we have to give the isk back. but thats just my op onion. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
27
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:36:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:People who go in the negative over this should have their characters deleted for being greedy bastards
'A' for effort in your attempt to be a bitter vet
so ive had a negative wallet before, my accounts should probably be deleted too. id give details as to why but ill just go /wrists my characters and biomass the lot of them now for being bad at life |
Deadeye Dic
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:37:00 -
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I posted this in the other thread as well, but wanted to post here as well, just in case it matters.
Starting to think I wished I'd found this thread BEFORE I spent my SP and ISK this morning.
However, I did ask for a Respec and I got that Respec and had just over 67 Mil ISK afterwards. Although, I still had all my suits and equipment on those suits. In fact, the fitting screen just showed that I was lacking the skills to wear the suit. |
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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:40:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Its only fair that we have to give the isk back. but thats just my op onion.
Yeah give it back fine. But reset everyone's wallet back to pre-downtime values.
Give back the ISK but end up in negative wallet balance because of a Developer mishap? You're turning a bad situation into a nightmare. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
27
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:42:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:I posted this in the other thread as well, but wanted to post here as well, just in case it matters.
Starting to think I wished I'd found this thread BEFORE I spent my SP and ISK this morning.
However, I did ask for a Respec and I got that Respec and had just over 67 Mil ISK afterwards. Although, I still had all my suits and equipment on those suits. In fact, the fitting screen just showed that I was lacking the skills to wear the suit.
going negative on your wallet is a nothing todo. the only thing that happens is you cant buy anything NEW until you get back to positive. thank god that theres militia suits and bpos you can use, cause its less fun in EVE where any ship that can make you the money fast enough to get positive is generally not 'cheap' when you cant buy another until you get back to the positives.
as for the SP, i assume you cant train new skills until you get back to positive as well. but i doubt that theyll be revoking levels. think of it as an alternative for aurum while you grind your way back to the land of the positives
IRuby Heart wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:Its only fair that we have to give the isk back. but thats just my op onion. Yeah give it back fine. But reset everyone's wallet back to pre-downtime values. Give back the ISK but end up in negative wallet balance because of a Developer mishap? You're turning a bad situation into a nightmare.
and reseting the wallets to pre downtime still leaves the individuals assets unless they do a FULL reset to pre-downtime, which likely not as simple as saying someone is negative on their wallet. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:42:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:How would anyone know it was illegitimate? CCP does a respec over night you log on and find an extra 100 million ISK in your wallet.
"Ok cool, I must've been reimbursed for something they took out."
Is the the first thought that crosses everyone's mind who doesn't follow this forum.
Not, CCP does a respec over night you log on and find an extra 100 million ISK in your wallet.
Doesnt take a forumer to know you didnt spend double/triple your current funds on skill books. And the skill reimbursement thread specifically said that only SP and the cost of skill books would be returned and not the purchased items.
Quote:" OH SH!T CCP F#CKED UP, I SHOULD AVOID SPENDING ANY ISK BECAUSE MY WALLET MIGHT GET RESET TO 200 MILLION IN THE RED ZONE!!"
Sounds like something a person who took advantage of this error would say. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
343
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:44:00 -
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I have 0 ISK and 0 AUR. CCP, you owe me $100 bc I just bought your elite pack. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
290
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:45:00 -
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I know people that have spent it and now they'll be in the negative. What a cluster fbomb.
To be honest if the money was donated to corps I think they should let it go. There's no telling how much money has been wasted due to laggy PC games and screwed up mechanics that allowed districts to restock clones when they shouldn't have. |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
229
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:46:00 -
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Ok so I got my respec, since I literally don't know how much ISK is mine and what isn't mine, and I have to rebuy all my stuff....
Quick solution as I type this I got an in game mail.
Thank you. Now I can continue with my stuff. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
290
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:47:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I have 0 ISK and 0 AUR. CCP, you owe me $100 bc I just bought your elite pack. Wow, I just did too. If I have no ISK and no AUR I'm going to be pissed off.
I have a feeling somebody in Iceland is having a bad day. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:51:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I have 0 ISK and 0 AUR. CCP, you owe me $100 bc I just bought your elite pack. Wow, I just did too. If I have no ISK and no AUR I'm going to be pissed off. I have a feeling somebody in Iceland is having a bad day.
Bad day? They have probably just been informed they are out of a job and is off home to run a hot bath and reach for the razor blades. Either that or having the the biggest lol ever. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
6
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:53:00 -
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I was in a match and a notice just popped up, outa reflex i pressed x, no i dont know what it said:''''( it said someting about live fixes. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:53:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:How would anyone know it was illegitimate? CCP does a respec over night you log on and find an extra 100 million ISK in your wallet.
"Ok cool, I must've been reimbursed for something they took out."
Is the the first thought that crosses everyone's mind who doesn't follow this forum.
Not, CCP does a respec over night you log on and find an extra 100 million ISK in your wallet. Doesnt take a forumer to know you didnt spend double/triple your current funds on skill books. And the skill reimbursement thread specifically said that only SP and the cost of skill books would be returned and not the purchased items. Quote:" OH SH!T CCP F#CKED UP, I SHOULD AVOID SPENDING ANY ISK BECAUSE MY WALLET MIGHT GET RESET TO 200 MILLION IN THE RED ZONE!!" Sounds like something a person who took advantage of this error would say.
I haven't spend a penny, kid. I'm just not so blinded by my own good judgment that I should say "LOL F#CK YOU!" to everybody who didn't do the same. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
187
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:54:00 -
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Original post updated at 15:50 and in game broadcast sent at 15:45 (all times UTC). |
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Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
229
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:55:00 -
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.... Message said it is recommended I restart my ps3. I did. Still have a bunch of ISK. GG |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
28
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:56:00 -
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i put all my isk into corp wallet, then was reminded about the negative wallet aspect... then i got my money back from corp.
anyone who managed to go negative better hope they bought useful things that they can use properly, or be real comfortable in militia gear.
it doesnt mean they wont be able to play |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
292
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:59:00 -
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I asked this in another thread, but do you guys realize there are people that AFK with numerous alts all day long with multiple playstations? These people just moved all that isk around and do not care if those characters go negative.
There are some dudes out there that will NEVER worry about ISK again. They have one of their alts sitting in a dummy corp that has billions of ISK. They'll transfer over to that corp with their main and take as needed for the next few years.
This was a colossal fail. Maybe the rest of us are lucky and most of those guys were at work, but something tells me people that have time to go to such lengths to accumulate ISK don't have jobs. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
33
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:59:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal.
The last time we got a skill respec we also got alot of ISK, NTM CCP originally said they were going to refund the ISK cost of all items. So I can understand perfectly why someone would think that it was completely normal to have some extra cash today. |
Che Cortez
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:00:00 -
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Katius Maximus wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated. Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine
Really.. Really, that is your position on this... . Please tell me your joking.
I'm really dumbfounded by that way of thinking, I don't even know what to say.. Thanks for the laugh? And good luck with that mate
Lol |
JERRY-666
DOOM TEAM INC.
3
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:00:00 -
[47] - Quote
I got my respec today, and received 7,000,000 ISK and I'm missing SP. My lifetime skills are 1,268,997 and I'm showing I have 958,079 SP after the respec... |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:02:00 -
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Che Cortez wrote:Katius Maximus wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated. Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine Really.. Really, that is your position on this... . Please tell me your joking. I'm really dumbfounded by that way of thinking, I don't even know what to say.. Thanks for the laugh? And good luck with that mate Lol
Uh?? It is CCP's mistake, Are you denying that?
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Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
505
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:03:00 -
[49] - Quote
hehe, I thought the extra ISK might have been an apology for all the ISK we spent in broken PC matches and an encouragement to continue spending ISK to test PC. Oh well. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
187
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:04:00 -
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JERRY-666 wrote:I got my respec today, and received 7,000,000 ISK and I'm missing SP. My lifetime skills are 1,268,997 and I'm showing I have 958,079 SP after the respec...
Have you counted skill points in use in addition to unused skill points? Our server info for your character appears to reflect you do indeed have all of the skill points you have claimed to own. |
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Musta Tornius
BetaMax. CRONOS.
350
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
JERRY-666 wrote:I got my respec today, and received 7,000,000 ISK and I'm missing SP. My lifetime skills are 1,268,997 and I'm showing I have 958,079 SP after the respec...
Just out of interest, check your corp skills if any are still there. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1649
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:05:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:We are aware of issues regarding user skills and ISK as of downtime today the 28th of May. We are working to resolve these issues as soon as possible. On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused. Please note that users and corporations affected by skill or ISK issues should refrain from spending extra ISK or SP as such gains/losses are subject to reversal and may in extreme cases lead to a negative balance based on player actions. Update: 15:50 UTC - We have implemented a live fix for this issue, and advise all users connected at 15:45 UTC to restart their DUST game clients to help prevent further issues. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
Now if only you could apologize for releasing the half assed uprising build. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
472
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:06:00 -
[53] - Quote
JERRY-666 wrote:I got my respec today, and received 7,000,000 ISK and I'm missing SP. My lifetime skills are 1,268,997 and I'm showing I have 958,079 SP after the respec... The same thing happened to me yesterday. I had 5.6 million skill points but logged in with only 5.3 million. Curiously this is about the same net skill point loss as you. Anyways I rebooted Dust and it fixed everything. |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
450
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:08:00 -
[54] - Quote
IRuby Heart wrote:Hell no CCP, You can take your isk back if you have to but at the cost of having all of those who DID spend their cash or donate already be negatively impacted is a huge no go!
If you can't figure out a way to prevent that negative wallet balance or properly revert everyone's wallets back to pre-downtime values, then you need to call it a loss and let everyone keep that ISK. I doubt an extra 100 million ISK is a gamebreaker...
Regardless of weither you think it was illogical or immoral to take advantage of the extra ISK, punishing the player base for a developer's mistakes is not the solution.
Welcome to Merc Pack refund 2.0 |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
28
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:08:00 -
[55] - Quote
and what happens if im still at 309/153m isk? and is there by any chance any details as to why some people seemed to have been arbitrarily skipped for respec? ive gotten reports that its not simply on a first come, first serve basis, and cant determine if alphabetical was the justification |
JERRY 666
DOOM TEAM INC.
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:08:00 -
[56] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:JERRY-666 wrote:I got my respec today, and received 7,000,000 ISK and I'm missing SP. My lifetime skills are 1,268,997 and I'm showing I have 958,079 SP after the respec... Have you counted skill points in use in addition to unused skill points? Our server info for your character appears to reflect you do indeed have all of the skill points you have claimed to own.
I only have level 5 corporation skills that is all that is all. Everything else was respec. |
Che Cortez
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:08:00 -
[57] - Quote
IRuby Heart wrote:Che Cortez wrote:Katius Maximus wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated. Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine Really.. Really, that is your position on this... . Please tell me your joking. I'm really dumbfounded by that way of thinking, I don't even know what to say.. Thanks for the laugh? And good luck with that mate Lol Uh?? It is CCP's mistake, Are you denying that?
Where did I say that it wasn't CCP's mistake?
More just admiring the, "you did it. You fix it" attitude. |
JERRY 666
DOOM TEAM INC.
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:09:00 -
[58] - Quote
Delirium Inferno wrote:JERRY-666 wrote:I got my respec today, and received 7,000,000 ISK and I'm missing SP. My lifetime skills are 1,268,997 and I'm showing I have 958,079 SP after the respec... The same thing happened to me yesterday. I had 5.6 million skill points but logged in with only 5.3 million. Curiously this is about the same net skill point loss as you. Anyways I rebooted Dust and it fixed everything.
I'll try that now. |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
186
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:12:00 -
[59] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:Original post updated at 15:50 and in game broadcast sent at 15:45 (all times UTC).
Your hotfix didn't work. Sure you didn't just mess something else up trying to fix this? |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
JL3Eleven wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:Hell no CCP, You can take your isk back if you have to but at the cost of having all of those who DID spend their cash or donate already be negatively impacted is a huge no go!
If you can't figure out a way to prevent that negative wallet balance or properly revert everyone's wallets back to pre-downtime values, then you need to call it a loss and let everyone keep that ISK. I doubt an extra 100 million ISK is a gamebreaker...
Regardless of weither you think it was illogical or immoral to take advantage of the extra ISK, punishing the player base for a developer's mistakes is not the solution. Welcome to Merc Pack refund 2.0
Wow, the only person to convince me otherwise. One line made me see... |
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Johnny Vasimov
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:14:00 -
[61] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal.
Welcome to the Eve Universe. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
Che Cortez wrote:Quote:Uh?? It is CCP's mistake, Are you denying that?
Where did I say that it wasn't CCP's mistake? More just admiring the, "you did it. You fix it" attitude.
Notice the question marks? I was sincerely asking... |
Dust HaHakoke
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
20
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:16:00 -
[63] - Quote
just turned my ps3 back on and checked i STILL have too much isk at this point im afraid to spend anything |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
562
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:17:00 -
[64] - Quote
So what did this hotfix achieve then?
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jamstar saa187
Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack
8
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:17:00 -
[65] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:well, the sudden appearance of 100m isk that you didnt earn, and subsequently spent isnt really punishment, you simply wont be able to buy anything else until you can get back to a positive balance.
i have had experience with negative wallet balance before, it can be frustrating, but not the end of the world, especially in a case such as this where you admitted to having spent it.
if you were to have logged in and your wallet was to be negative due to their error, you would rage at them and demand a reimbursement to get back to positive... yet expect to be able to spend the excessive unearned isk as if it were your own.
earn the isk you have spent to get back positive seems fair to me. but i also had 153m before the *feature* was released, and dont see how i could have spent the additional 160m ontop of that to end up negative anyways
this sounds dangerously like logic to me............. Mods, i think we need to investigate this one, we cant have anything approaching logic (and fairness) on the forum! |
Zhenya Serafina
The Tickle Monsters
1
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
181
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:20:00 -
[67] - Quote
I finally understand why respecs can't be put in the hands of players. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1505
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Oh shut up, you'll get to keep whatever you purchased, or did you think they would just hand out ISK? It's your own fault if you spent more than you originally had. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2444
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:25:00 -
[69] - Quote
Thankfully I didn't spend much ISK. I should be good. |
JERRY 666
DOOM TEAM INC.
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:25:00 -
[70] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:JERRY-666 wrote:I got my respec today, and received 7,000,000 ISK and I'm missing SP. My lifetime skills are 1,268,997 and I'm showing I have 958,079 SP after the respec... Have you counted skill points in use in addition to unused skill points? Our server info for your character appears to reflect you do indeed have all of the skill points you have claimed to own.
You are correct. After looking to see how much level 5 corporation skill is, the math works out. Why is it that you can't respec the corporation skills to the amount of member that are in the corporation? I requested in the respec ticket for this, but was only replied that this was not done. When the ability to create a corporation was first made, I didn't know then how it worked and kept buying corporation skill trying to get it too work. |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
29
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:26:00 -
[71] - Quote
jamstar saa187 wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:well, the sudden appearance of 100m isk that you didnt earn, and subsequently spent isnt really punishment, you simply wont be able to buy anything else until you can get back to a positive balance.
i have had experience with negative wallet balance before, it can be frustrating, but not the end of the world, especially in a case such as this where you admitted to having spent it.
if you were to have logged in and your wallet was to be negative due to their error, you would rage at them and demand a reimbursement to get back to positive... yet expect to be able to spend the excessive unearned isk as if it were your own.
earn the isk you have spent to get back positive seems fair to me. but i also had 153m before the *feature* was released, and dont see how i could have spent the additional 160m ontop of that to end up negative anyways this sounds dangerously like logic to me............. Mods, i think we need to investigate this one, we cant have anything approaching logic (and fairness) on the forum!
F**K YOU!
better?
common sense... the uncommon virtue...
i heard common sense is a PERMA-BAN EULA violation...
and as far as f**k ups go, if you spent more than you had earned during this respec, though it is CCPs fault you had too much ISK on hand, it is not CCPs fault you spent too much ISK.
CCP may have made a s**t sandwich this time round, but its your fault for taking a bite, deal with it. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2444
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:27:00 -
[72] - Quote
RINON114 wrote:I finally understand why respecs can't be put in the hands of players.
Treat them to one respec and suddenly they start demanding for more than just a respec. |
Zhenya Serafina
The Tickle Monsters
1
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:28:00 -
[73] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Oh shut up, you'll get to keep whatever you purchased, or did you think they would just hand out ISK? It's your own fault if you spent more than you originally had.
Didn't spend anything ISK or SP. . So your one of those people who think well I didn't get that so I must not have it, good for you, but there are people who have no idea what SP or ISK they might have and spent it like most lottery winners, it is not their fault they are instantly rich and the only form of communication is a internet forum. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
188
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:31:00 -
[74] - Quote
JERRY 666 wrote:You are correct. After looking to see how much level 5 corporation skill is, the math works out. Why is it that you can't respec the corporation skills to the amount of member that are in the corporation? I requested in the respec ticket for this, but was only replied that this was not done. When the ability to create a corporation was first made, I didn't know then how it worked and kept buying corporation skill trying to get it too work.
While we try not to meddle with corp skills in order to ensure your corp remains intact. If your issue was not resolved during the skill respec please file a support ticket and we'll see what we can do to help you out: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1505
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
Zhenya Serafina wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Oh shut up, you'll get to keep whatever you purchased, or did you think they would just hand out ISK? It's your own fault if you spent more than you originally had. Didn't spend anything ISK or SP. . So your one of those people who think well I didn't get that so I must not have it, good for you, but there are people who have no idea what SP or ISK they might have and spent it like most lottery winners, it is not their fault they are instantly rich and the only form of communication is a internet forum. We did get in game message warning us about more changes, that should have been enough for most people to not rush in and blow all their ISK right away. If people are to lazy to check the forum, which they had to do to get a respec in the first place, then that's there problem.
And I don't see how this is a punishment. |
Che Cortez
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
9
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:37:00 -
[76] - Quote
IRuby Heart wrote:Che Cortez wrote:Quote:Uh?? It is CCP's mistake, Are you denying that?
Where did I say that it wasn't CCP's mistake? More just admiring the, "you did it. You fix it" attitude. Notice the question marks? I was sincerely asking...
There are only trolls, qq, and raging people on this forums, it's made me very bitter, so if you were being sincere then I apologize.
I just assume everyone is smart arse arrogant Eve pilots. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:38:00 -
[77] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Oh shut up, you'll get to keep whatever you purchased, or did you think they would just hand out ISK? It's your own fault if you spent more than you originally had. Didn't spend anything ISK or SP. . So your one of those people who think well I didn't get that so I must not have it, good for you, but there are people who have no idea what SP or ISK they might have and spent it like most lottery winners, it is not their fault they are instantly rich and the only form of communication is a internet forum. We did get in game message warning us about more changes, that should have been enough for most people to not rush in and blow all their ISK right away. If people are to lazy to check the forum, which they had to do to get a respec in the first place, then that's there problem. And I don't see how this is a punishment.
I'm the guy thought logged in 1 minute after that message appeared. Now what? |
JERRY 666
DOOM TEAM INC.
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:40:00 -
[78] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:JERRY 666 wrote:You are correct. After looking to see how much level 5 corporation skill is, the math works out. Why is it that you can't respec the corporation skills to the amount of member that are in the corporation? I requested in the respec ticket for this, but was only replied that this was not done. When the ability to create a corporation was first made, I didn't know then how it worked and kept buying corporation skill trying to get it too work. While we try not to meddle with corp skills in order to ensure your corp remains intact. If your issue was not resolved during the skill respec please file a support ticket and we'll see what we can do to help you out: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets
Should I make a new ticket or put it in the un-closed respec ticket? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
30
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:41:00 -
[79] - Quote
IRuby Heart wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Oh shut up, you'll get to keep whatever you purchased, or did you think they would just hand out ISK? It's your own fault if you spent more than you originally had. Didn't spend anything ISK or SP. . So your one of those people who think well I didn't get that so I must not have it, good for you, but there are people who have no idea what SP or ISK they might have and spent it like most lottery winners, it is not their fault they are instantly rich and the only form of communication is a internet forum. We did get in game message warning us about more changes, that should have been enough for most people to not rush in and blow all their ISK right away. If people are to lazy to check the forum, which they had to do to get a respec in the first place, then that's there problem. And I don't see how this is a punishment. I'm the guy that logged in 1 minute after that message appeared. Now what? Also, in case you missed it. People who did not even ask for a respec got the ISK Boost. So what then?
i was the guy who logged in 4 hours before the message... still didnt impact me negatively...
if you are capable of maintaining a positive income flow, your debt for spending should be dealt with quick and painless. if your NOT capable of maintaining a positive income flow, well welcome to new eden, enjoy your learning cliff |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1505
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:41:00 -
[80] - Quote
IRuby Heart wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Oh shut up, you'll get to keep whatever you purchased, or did you think they would just hand out ISK? It's your own fault if you spent more than you originally had. Didn't spend anything ISK or SP. . So your one of those people who think well I didn't get that so I must not have it, good for you, but there are people who have no idea what SP or ISK they might have and spent it like most lottery winners, it is not their fault they are instantly rich and the only form of communication is a internet forum. We did get in game message warning us about more changes, that should have been enough for most people to not rush in and blow all their ISK right away. If people are to lazy to check the forum, which they had to do to get a respec in the first place, then that's there problem. And I don't see how this is a punishment. I'm the guy that logged in 1 minute after that message appeared. Now what? Also, in case you missed it. People who did not even ask for a respec got the ISK Boost. So what then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZq3An7Tf_w
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:42:00 -
[81] - Quote
CCP, you've DONE it again :) |
HEAD- HUNTER-GEO
Planetary Response Organization
2
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:42:00 -
[82] - Quote
so i got my repec today everything looks right got in game message restarted it every things still good am i in the clear now to do what i need too do.Dont want to go negtive..!! |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1505
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:43:00 -
[83] - Quote
Hey look, free ISK! That's totally normal |
Charizard Zakalwe
GoonFeet
50
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:45:00 -
[84] - Quote
So what's the deal with the extra money? I logged in and saw I had extra money, figuring that all my unusable gear had been sold automatically (like at the beginning of uprising). Instead I've got millions of isk of Caldari suits I can't use, unless I drop a pile of SP into the right skills. This isn't a terrible problem (though I'd love the ability to sell it back for money or give it to my Corp).
So when is the extra ~80 million isk getting taken back by CCP? Did that already happen? Is all this extra isk something I somehow legitimately acquired with realizing? |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
189
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:47:00 -
[85] - Quote
JERRY 666 wrote:Should I make a new ticket or put it in the un-closed respec ticket?
Lets create a fresh ticket for this one. |
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
6
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
http://qkme.me/3um3fr |
HEAD- HUNTER-GEO
Planetary Response Organization
2
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:51:00 -
[87] - Quote
so has the in game fix been done i want to finish my respec!! Restarted dust !just want to no can i spend my isk and respec my dust merc now |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
501
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:53:00 -
[88] - Quote
Removing the isk is necessary for the sandbox to survive with credibility. Good response!
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RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
186
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:55:00 -
[89] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:JERRY 666 wrote:Should I make a new ticket or put it in the un-closed respec ticket? Lets create a fresh ticket for this one.
So youre just going to ignore the people telling you the hotfix didn't work and instead focus on something that is off topic to this thread? I am reporting you for trolling sir.... |
Rusty Rage
League of Angered Gentlemen
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 16:56:00 -
[90] - Quote
I'm rather sure that the respec went over fine for me, should I still be worried about this? Everything looks about right for me. |
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martinofski
Les Rebelles A Qc
148
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:58:00 -
[91] - Quote
Such a lovely discussion going on |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
30
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:59:00 -
[92] - Quote
still sitting at 309,914,906 ISK of my latest battle payout balance of 153,665,501
so am i correct in assuming that after the hot fix and what seems to be the FML Lottery Jackpot of being arbitrarily skipped for respec at downtime, that this is compensation for my pain and suffering?
*only counted the battlepayouts because the rest were donations to/from my corporation for a total of 315m both directions* |
HEAD- HUNTER-GEO
Planetary Response Organization
2
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 17:05:00 -
[93] - Quote
Gm Grave Am I good yet to do what i need to do or what??
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
189
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:06:00 -
[94] - Quote
We are aware of outstanding issues and are monitoring the situation closely, we will post further updates as we receive them.
The original post has also been edited to explain that we will try to assist players who may have over-spent. |
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
323
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:18:00 -
[95] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal.
That is almost always true. Except in very rare cases such as this.
Literally, nothing of real world value went one way or another. You can't even say that the ISK in dust and the digital goods are worth anything because there is no market to either establish nor realize any value.
So really, this is actually a free lunch for everyone. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
30
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 17:19:00 -
[96] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed. Should players have any issues after restarting their game client then please file a support ticket at the link below: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets[words words words] [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
so am i to believe that ALL respecs should have gone through?
cause i have not received my respec... i filed a petition at 12:43 (approx 30 mins after downtime) trying to seek clarification as to why i had not received respec, and was told i was to be included in the next one...
if all respecs are supposed to be done with that hotfix, what should i do in my current situation... |
Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
53
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:25:00 -
[97] - Quote
I put a ticket in under incomplete skill respec and just received the same reply as from when i put my skill respec ticket in. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
712
|
Posted - 2013.05.28 17:28:00 -
[98] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:Affected Users & Over-spendingWhile players have noted their concerns in this thread regarding those who have entered a negative ISK balance after engaging in a spending spree. The ISK that has been spend has not dissipated and should exist in purchased assets or corp donations. In cases where players now have a stack of assets and not enough ISK as a result of their actions after today's issue, please file a support ticket and we will look into removing assets and refunding ISK where possible. For cases where donations have been issued, please attempt to have these reversed by your corporation directors and members who received payouts, and when you have done so please contact us and we will address these on a case by case basis as fairly as possible. As always customer support can be contacted via our support system linked below, please bear in mind that it may take some time to fully investigate and address each ticket, but rest assured that we will address each ticket as soon as possible. https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/[ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
Good job CCP, seriously. That's the right way to handle the situation. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
30
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:32:00 -
[99] - Quote
Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I put a ticket in under incomplete skill respec and just received the same reply as from when i put my skill respec ticket in.
i got a REAL GM response from my petition that was filled approx 30mins after downtime ended...
my petition was titled 'skill respec?' so you might want to slap a reply onto there to make sure someones actually seen it and given you a response to the issue rather than let your petition get filed into the 'automated' bin |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
191
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:33:00 -
[100] - Quote
As detailed previously, skill respecs requests will be released in batches based on first come first served. However if you received a response from us confirming receipt of your request you will receive a skill respec in the coming days.
If you have not received a response confirming receipt with 72 hours of filing a petition then please let us know. |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
30
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:41:00 -
[101] - Quote
first come first served? my buddy who got processed on or around the same day, the 17th, as mine, got his respec... people in local been saying they filed last week, 20th, and 21st and got theirs... i filed my respec request the 14th, received an automated response from you on the 17th stating i was flagged... so your forum post stating "Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points" is either misleading as i was told i was flagged for a respec, but not told what batch i would be a part of, and can find no semblance of a pattern for determining from the information i have been given...
the hot fix also has me confused as it reduced my isk overage from 161,784,805(315,450,306-153,665,501) to 156,249,405(309,914,906-153,665,501) and i read the popup briefly about somethin with the errors with SP/ISK overages being fixed, hoping i might get the respec then, but even if im slated for tommorow or laters batch of respecs, the isk overage didnt get fixed, which is also mentioned in almost every petition message ive filed today
upon logging in after downtime, i saw i didnt have the respec, and my corpmate advised reloading the game, so i did, i got the message about the hotfix to reload the game a few minuts after the patch hit, and rebooted my ps3 entirely. so i am not trying to be annoying here, but the problem has persisted |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
41
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:51:00 -
[102] - Quote
Unless you have the math skills of a goldfish it should have been fairly obvious that the excessive ISK was a glitch and would be subject for review. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
194
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:54:00 -
[103] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:first come first served? I can see that you filed a ticket on the 14th, and that you are logged in one of our future batch numbers. While our system was to assign priority based on date your request appears to have been merged with a different batch during batch cutoff. My apologies for this misunderstanding but you will indeed receive a skill respec in a future sp batch. |
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Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock
Ultramarine Corp
8
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:57:00 -
[104] - Quote
Katius Maximus wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated. Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine
Because CCP jumped through hoops to give you whiners a respec, Jesus people you were the ones who irresponsibly blew your SP just so you could get one piece of proto gear. If you guys would've just paid attention, read the posts explaining upcoming changes and actually put some foresight into your original respec, this wouldn't be a problem at all. But instead in true gamer fashion you guys ***** and moan. Makes me sick to my stomach seeing so much ungratefulness. Thank you for creating a game that I can enjoy for so long to come! Keep up the hard work! |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
30
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:59:00 -
[105] - Quote
yeah, i had hoped it might have been scheduled for the hotfix that i had missed my respec in error, but that is something that will be fixed whenever my batch comes up.
as for the excessive ISK that still persists, what of that? or is that also still a work in progress? |
Katius Maximus
Red Star. EoN.
21
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:07:00 -
[106] - Quote
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:Katius Maximus wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated. Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine Because CCP jumped through hoops to give you whiners a respec, Jesus people you were the ones who irresponsibly blew your SP just so you could get one piece of proto gear. If you guys would've just paid attention, read the posts explaining upcoming changes and actually put some foresight into your original respec, this wouldn't be a problem at all. But instead in true gamer fashion you guys ***** and moan. Makes me sick to my stomach seeing so much ungratefulness. Thank you for creating a game that I can enjoy for so long to come! Keep up the hard work!
oh so when did i ask for a respec or refund.oh thats right ten minutes ago,as asked by ccp so that they could sort out their mistake not mine. |
Dust HaHakoke
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:18:00 -
[107] - Quote
The problem with some of this logic is that there were 2 mistakes made #1 CCP gave you isk #2 you spent it if this happened with a bank and you refused to pay it back they would take you to court most likely |
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock
Ultramarine Corp
8
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:19:00 -
[108] - Quote
Katius Maximus wrote:Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:Katius Maximus wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated. Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine Because CCP jumped through hoops to give you whiners a respec, Jesus people you were the ones who irresponsibly blew your SP just so you could get one piece of proto gear. If you guys would've just paid attention, read the posts explaining upcoming changes and actually put some foresight into your original respec, this wouldn't be a problem at all. But instead in true gamer fashion you guys ***** and moan. Makes me sick to my stomach seeing so much ungratefulness. Thank you for creating a game that I can enjoy for so long to come! Keep up the hard work! oh so when did i ask for a respec or refund.oh thats right ten minutes ago,as asked by ccp so that they could sort out their mistake not mine.
If you didn't ask for an original respec then obviously I'm not talking to you :) |
Baosh Shiryl
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:23:00 -
[109] - Quote
I have doubts as to whether I submitted my ticket right. So I submitted a ticket, or at least I think I did. Selected my character, language, then selected DUST skills as the category and titled it Skills Respec. If I recall correctly, I did this on the 2st or 22nd. Also, people have asked if I received some sort of confirmation email, which I have not. Thank you for your assistance. |
Saniya Chandarr
Sedition Theory Shadows Of Betrayal
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:24:00 -
[110] - Quote
oh this is hilarious... I am going to need to set up 30d training queues in EVE just to be sure they dont run out when CCP makes a mess of the odyssey deployment like they made a mess of this...
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
30
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:37:00 -
[111] - Quote
Saniya Chandarr wrote:oh this is hilarious... I am going to need to set up 30d training queues in EVE just to be sure they dont run out when CCP makes a mess of the odyssey deployment like they made a mess of this...
ive done this for the last 4 or 5 EVE expansions... started on skills like marauders 5, gall drone spec5, freighters 5, or capital skill 5s and left them there after expansions just in case something goes south |
Oss Tex
Planetary Response Organization
5
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Posted - 2013.05.28 19:32:00 -
[112] - Quote
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:
If you didn't ask for an original respec then obviously I'm not talking to you :)
Pffft, fanboydom at it's worst. CCP isn't jumping through hoops for anyone but themselves (which is fine). They're out to make a buck and don't need your rescuing. |
Xin Tiger
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
6
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:21:00 -
[113] - Quote
I had 30 million isk earnt, I fully expect to have 30 million isk once this is resolved , what the frak ccp. |
Lichsmash RN
Quackery Labs Roid Addicts
3
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:29:00 -
[114] - Quote
i didnt even request a respec and 54 mill just showed up in my wallet none of my stuff is missing and my skills are all there i filed a help ticket to get it remove but it looks like this is a server wide issue
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DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
11
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:38:00 -
[115] - Quote
We should be able to keep all the money especially those of us who got hosed out of 80 million in glitched planetary conquest matches |
Memnoch Grymloc
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:42:00 -
[116] - Quote
At this point, i can not believe Sony feels that this circus lives up to the Playstation standard. How DUST became a BUST.
Im so done. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
53
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:48:00 -
[117] - Quote
So has the hotfix been deployed? cos i still aint got jack s*** |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:52:00 -
[118] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:first come first served? I can see that you filed a ticket on the 14th, and that you are logged in one of our future batch numbers. While our system was to assign priority based on date your request appears to have been merged with a different batch during batch cutoff. My apologies for this misunderstanding but you will indeed receive a skill respec in a future sp batch.
when are the respec dates for each batch? c'mon i know its not a secret you guys already finished it, without bugs. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:53:00 -
[119] - Quote
Lichsmash RN wrote:i didnt even request a respec and 54 mill just showed up in my wallet none of my stuff is missing and my skills are all there i filed a help ticket to get it remove but it looks like this is a server wide issue
and you complaining because? |
Ryki Kaido
Dogz O War General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:06:00 -
[120] - Quote
so when is this next update to happen for respec? i placed my petitio for it inlast night and nt sure if was suppose to effect today or te upcoming update. |
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LICHSMASHER
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:06:00 -
[121] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:Lichsmash RN wrote:i didnt even request a respec and 54 mill just showed up in my wallet none of my stuff is missing and my skills are all there i filed a help ticket to get it remove but it looks like this is a server wide issue
and you complaining because?
ive seen stuff like this happen before an what usually happens is you get your wallet wiped of that isk |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
611
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:29:00 -
[122] - Quote
Was there an explanation of what the hotfix was intended to fix? I'm guessing not the extra ISK. |
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock
Ultramarine Corp
9
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:51:00 -
[123] - Quote
Oss Tex wrote:Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:
If you didn't ask for an original respec then obviously I'm not talking to you :)
Pffft, fanboydom at it's worst. CCP isn't jumping through hoops for anyone but themselves (which is fine). They're out to make a buck and don't need your rescuing.
That's right just to the fanboy discredit bit, don't get prissy with me just cause you're butthurt. The game is not broken. CCP isn't intentionally screwing any of you. I love how people panic over the most trivial things. |
musterk sainsk
Guardia Imperial
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:55:00 -
[124] - Quote
When i log in yesterday i had 8 mil isk i did the respec early today at 8am mountain time i log in in dust 514 and my isk is at 21 mil and my skill points are still the same or lower .... |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
65
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:57:00 -
[125] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal.
No something isn't wrong jenza, and the salvation army gives away free meals every day. |
Senator Snipe
NOVA TECH MARINES Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:11:00 -
[126] - Quote
I asked for a skill respec and i only got my isk not my skill points. How come i didn't get my skill points back >.> |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
611
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:12:00 -
[127] - Quote
Senator Snipe wrote:I asked for a skill respec and i only got my isk not my skill points. How come i didn't get my skill points back >.>
Because you haven't gotten your respec. There was an issue and everybody got a lot of ISK that will be taken back shortly. |
Sev Kimura
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
129
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:14:00 -
[128] - Quote
CCP, you should have just let us keep the money, it equals more fun for the players, more fights in pc battles like you want and the community wants, and more money in your pocket over time, due to players having fun and spending more time in your game. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:16:00 -
[129] - Quote
basically its like this, ccp messed up and gave us isk that we were not supposed to get, so they want to fix that and take it away from us which is in there every right to do but to be honest its messed up to take it back.
This is to CCP.
its not like you messed up and gave us an abundence of Aur(which costs real money) you gave us a ton of isk which is generated in game and does not cost anyone anything at all. by letting us keep the extra isk will not cost your company a single cent at all, all it will do is keep your player base extremely happy and maybe generate more players that will spend real money on AUR.
people remember that anything to do with isk cost everyone absolutly nothing. it costs a player nothing and it costs CCP nothing to let us keep it. but it will cost ccp money on the time that it takes their devs to fix this whole problem, because it is taking time aways from the important stuff the devs need to be working on like the lag issues in pc battles as well as the stupid spots you get stuck on terrane and the stupid range and damage on the tac ars.
CCP let us keep this isk and spend the time fixing the things that are making the game bad, you have a great game if all the bugs could be worked out of it. |
Senator Snipe
NOVA TECH MARINES Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:21:00 -
[130] - Quote
ya we should keep the isk, and i would really appreciate it if i can get my skill points back because i asked for a respec. Thanks |
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JONAHBENHUR
New Eden's Most Wanted Gentlemen's Agreement
2
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:28:00 -
[131] - Quote
Got my respec spent the skills got shorted over a million skill points and now can't run any suits I ran yesterday so had to buy all new gear and now your going to try to puts us into the negative what the fruit? Did eve launch with this many problems?
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
154
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:28:00 -
[132] - Quote
is it ok to spend my isk now? |
Senator Snipe
NOVA TECH MARINES Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:40:00 -
[133] - Quote
JONAHBENHUR wrote:Got my respec spent the skills got shorted over a million skill points and now can't run any suits I ran yesterday so had to buy all new gear and now your going to try to puts us into the negative what the fruit? Did eve launch with this many problems?
LOOOOOL what the fruit. i am laughing so hard right now lol. But i really hope i get my sp back cus i requested for a respec :| Anyway, how did others got their respec and i didn't? |
Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
53
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Posted - 2013.05.28 23:55:00 -
[134] - Quote
mines still f***ed. nothings changed no respec on either my accounts. put a ticket in earlier about the broke respec and just received the automated response about being put in que for respec. this whole thing is just an utter f*** up really. |
Murdolator
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 00:12:00 -
[135] - Quote
Whole situation is just jacked up I guess. Put in a ticket on the 16th, reply the next day. Just more than double the isk I had, and no sp refund, so the batches definitely seem to be. Kind of afraid to play the game after reading through this thread. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
33
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Posted - 2013.05.29 00:48:00 -
[136] - Quote
Senator Snipe wrote:JONAHBENHUR wrote:Got my respec spent the skills got shorted over a million skill points and now can't run any suits I ran yesterday so had to buy all new gear and now your going to try to puts us into the negative what the fruit? Did eve launch with this many problems?
LOOOOOL what the fruit. i am laughing so hard right now lol. But i really hope i get my sp back cus i requested for a respec :| Anyway, how did others got their respec and i didn't?
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Khamelaya
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
24
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Posted - 2013.05.29 00:55:00 -
[137] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:As detailed previously, skill respecs requests will be released in batches based on first come first served. However if you received a response from us confirming receipt of your request you will receive a skill respec in the coming days.
If you have not received a response confirming receipt with 72 hours of filing a petition then please let us know.
GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed.
Mixed messages much? In one post you say they everyone who registered for a respec should have it by now, then you say that some will receive it in the coming days.
I registered for a respec but have not received it yet, I also received an extra 80 million isK (approx). The client restart had no effect. Still have all my old skills, still have too much ISK. Should I be submitting a ticked or should I be waiting for a later batch of respecs? |
PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F
22
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Posted - 2013.05.29 00:56:00 -
[138] - Quote
I got a lot of isk but no SP respec.
Sure they HAVE to take back the isk. Not all players got isk, and some players got a lot more then others it would not be fair to let us keep it.
Some players did not get any isk at all. Some players only got a few mill. Isk (5-10 mill.) Some players got 200+ mill. Isk
They HAVE to take it back.
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Shiney Berbles
Nephilim Initiative
2
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Posted - 2013.05.29 01:15:00 -
[139] - Quote
@players - stop complaining, stuff happens, and if you went and spent isk you knew wasn't earned then shame on you for taking a handout.
@CCP - apologies for all these ppl who complaining about going negitive, its like they have never had a real life and never used a bank account. Thinking they can spend unearned isk.... keep the game strong and awesome!
Oh and at players, before you start attacking me.. I also received just about double what I had in isk. But I didn't spend cause I thought about where the money may have come from (to include skill changes/refunds and marketplace refunds). After nothing had changed I thought ok a mistake has been made and to keep the dust economy alive in these early stages CCP would probably take the isk back...
"I love being a merc, I get paid to kill stuff" -unknown |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
33
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Posted - 2013.05.29 01:18:00 -
[140] - Quote
Khamelaya wrote:GM Grave wrote:As detailed previously, skill respecs requests will be released in batches based on first come first served. However if you received a response from us confirming receipt of your request you will receive a skill respec in the coming days.
If you have not received a response confirming receipt with 72 hours of filing a petition then please let us know. GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed. Mixed messages much? In one post you say they everyone who registered for a respec should have it by now, then you say that some will receive it in the coming days. I registered for a respec but have not received it yet, I also received an extra 80 million isK (approx). The client restart had no effect. Still have all my old skills, still have too much ISK. Should I be submitting a ticked or should I be waiting for a later batch of respecs?
if your petition got an automated response stating you were flagged, you will be in a later batch of respecs coming between now and sometime after the 31st. i posted my petition 2 weeks ago, 14/05/2013, and gm grave responded that i somehow got merged off into another batch than the first one thismorning during some arbitrary cutoff of batches.
not alphabetical, not by first come first served, just miraculous FML lottery jackpot that i got to one of the few, the proud, individuals who flagged on the 17th to not get in on the first wave respec. it wouldnt have been annoying if they could have stated that it was a sensible reason, either date or alphabetical, or SOMETHING, beyond the effective 'oh we dont know what to tell you, tough luck'
they havent given any sort of information on what 'future batch' implies, if i was to get a respec at the hotfix(confirmed not the case), or if i will get a respec tommorow, or not till with the last batch of respecs processed on the 31st before downtime.
i understand that keeping an updated list of EVERY individual to be respecd is a bit silly, but if theyd at least make some sort of release with their INTENTIONS instead of leaving us in the dark, the whole situation would be a lot less frustrating with a justification. |
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Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.05.29 01:33:00 -
[141] - Quote
I think we should get to keep it. Compensation for all the stuff we've lost to lag, getting stuck on NOTHING, faulty hit detection, FAULTY REVIVING, FR Drops, shall I continue? |
DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
12
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Posted - 2013.05.29 01:43:00 -
[142] - Quote
843-Vika wrote:basically its like this, ccp messed up and gave us isk that we were not supposed to get, so they want to fix that and take it away from us which is in there every right to do but to be honest its messed up to take it back.
This is to CCP.
its not like you messed up and gave us an abundence of Aur(which costs real money) you gave us a ton of isk which is generated in game and does not cost anyone anything at all. by letting us keep the extra isk will not cost your company a single cent at all, all it will do is keep your player base extremely happy and maybe generate more players that will spend real money on AUR.
people remember that anything to do with isk cost everyone absolutly nothing. it costs a player nothing and it costs CCP nothing to let us keep it. but it will cost ccp money on the time that it takes their devs to fix this whole problem, because it is taking time aways from the important stuff the devs need to be working on like the lag issues in pc battles as well as the stupid spots you get stuck on terrane and the stupid range and damage on the tac ars.
CCP let us keep this isk and spend the time fixing the things that are making the game bad, you have a great game if all the bugs could be worked out of it. this somes up my feeling everyone should like this post |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
33
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Posted - 2013.05.29 02:15:00 -
[143] - Quote
DoomLead wrote:843-Vika wrote:basically its like this, ccp messed up and gave us isk that we were not supposed to get, so they want to fix that and take it away from us which is in there every right to do but to be honest its messed up to take it back.
This is to CCP.
its not like you messed up and gave us an abundence of Aur(which costs real money) you gave us a ton of isk which is generated in game and does not cost anyone anything at all. by letting us keep the extra isk will not cost your company a single cent at all, all it will do is keep your player base extremely happy and maybe generate more players that will spend real money on AUR.
people remember that anything to do with isk cost everyone absolutly nothing. it costs a player nothing and it costs CCP nothing to let us keep it. but it will cost ccp money on the time that it takes their devs to fix this whole problem, because it is taking time aways from the important stuff the devs need to be working on like the lag issues in pc battles as well as the stupid spots you get stuck on terrane and the stupid range and damage on the tac ars.
CCP let us keep this isk and spend the time fixing the things that are making the game bad, you have a great game if all the bugs could be worked out of it. this somes up my feeling everyone should like this post
that post is riddled with ignorance.
i dont want people having an extra 100m isk, i have been waiting for the proto bears and tank spammers to run out of isk so that the game stops being a battle of whos got more proto. i remember when it was a big deal to drop a proto suit in a match, and you usually didnt spam them unless you were REALLY good with them.... now everyone and their brother spams their shiniest proto suits like its the cool thing to do. when you came across the proto corps out there, you knew you were going down, but you knew you were gonna punch a hole in their wallet if you could get even just a couple kills...
with this influx of random isk, it takes the risk vs reward away, its no fun grinding down someones wallet match after match if you know the 5x 3m isk tanks you destroyed isnt going to stop them from spamming the same tank loadout another 20+ times...
a game where death has meaning... it loses the edge if you dont have to work to replace the losses... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1515
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Posted - 2013.05.29 02:50:00 -
[144] - Quote
Shiney Berbles wrote:@players - stop complaining, stuff happens, and if you went and spent isk you knew wasn't earned then shame on you for taking a handout.
@CCP - apologies for all these ppl who complaining about going negitive, its like they have never had a real life and never used a bank account. Thinking they can spend unearned isk.... keep the game strong and awesome!
Oh and at players, before you start attacking me.. I also received just about double what I had in isk. But I didn't spend cause I thought about where the money may have come from (to include skill changes/refunds and marketplace refunds). After nothing had changed I thought ok a mistake has been made and to keep the dust economy alive in these early stages CCP would probably take the isk back...
"I love being a merc, I get paid to kill stuff" -unknown GTFOH, logic and common sense have no place on these forums! |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
98
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:00:00 -
[145] - Quote
I just don't understand. When we (corp) logged on and noticed that we had excess funds we went through our assets, skills, the marketplace etc. to see what had changed. We couldn't find anything and figured there's an issue. So we just let the isk sit. It took us two or three minutes to go through everything. How hard is that? Now people are complaining because they tried living beyond their means with money they didn't have? I just don't understand. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there an economist on staff at CCP? And isn't there a plan to intigrate the Eve and Dust economies? How would that excess isk impact that move? Especially since that move doesn't happen without them having an accurate picture of how the Dust economy works. A little bit of forward thinking goes a long way. If we want the two economies merged as soon as possible we shouldn't have a problem with CCP taking the isk back. My 0.02 isk. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
36
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:06:00 -
[146] - Quote
Khal V'Rani wrote:I just don't understand. When we (corp) logged on and noticed that we had excess funds we went through our assets, skills, the marketplace etc. to see what had changed. We couldn't find anything and figured there's an issue. So we just let the isk sit. It took us two or three minutes to go through everything. How hard is that? Now people are complaining because they tried living beyond their means with money they didn't have? I just don't understand. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there an economist on staff at CCP? And isn't there a plan to intigrate the Eve and Dust economies? How would that excess isk impact that move? Especially since that move doesn't happen without them having an accurate picture of how the Dust economy works. A little bit of forward thinking goes a long way. If we want the two economies merged as soon as possible we shouldn't have a problem with CCP taking the isk back. My 0.02 isk.
Dr Eyjoh or something i believe is the staff economist, and i think there was a second one, at least for a while, may have downsized the second one with the company restructure a few years back... but as far as i am aware, the senior economist should still be there.
and you havent spent enough time in Jita... its a .01 isk game...
but people attempted to exploit the mechanics, i admit to trying it. but when CCP comes back to them with the 'simple' solution of just placing people in the negatives rather than try to track down and take back what has been bought and possibly lost, people get mad and upset for getting thwarted. |
jin foxdale
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
17
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:22:00 -
[147] - Quote
[/quote]
i dont want people having an extra 100m isk, i have been waiting for the proto bears and tank spammers to run out of isk so that the game stops being a battle of whos got more proto. i remember when it was a big deal to drop a proto suit in a match, and you usually didnt spam them unless you were REALLY good with them.... now everyone and their brother spams their shiniest proto suits like its the cool thing to do. when you came across the proto corps out there, you knew you were going down, but you knew you were gonna punch a hole in their wallet if you could get even just a couple kills...
with this influx of random isk, it takes the risk vs reward away, its no fun grinding down someones wallet match after match if you know the 5x 3m isk tanks you destroyed isnt going to stop them from spamming the same tank loadout another 20+ times...
a game where death has meaning... it loses the edge if you dont have to work to replace the losses...[/quote]
excellent post. +1 |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
98
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:22:00 -
[148] - Quote
@SuperKing Never played Eve but I've been eyeballing it for a few years. That's why I'm here now. A little bit of inflation going on up top? Still, I just don't understand, yeah it's a game and it's not real money but it still feels like theft to me. But that might just be the roleplayer in me talking. Or the stubborn indipendant individualist in me... I'm not sure. Either way, my guys weren't effected because it was suspect to begin with to us... To say we didn't have a little discussion how to keep it would be a lie, but it was all just messing around and having a good time... It IS just a game on our end after all... |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
38
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:41:00 -
[149] - Quote
Khal V'Rani wrote:@SuperKing Never played Eve but I've been eyeballing it for a few years. That's why I'm here now. A little bit of inflation going on up top? Still, I just don't understand, yeah it's a game and it's not real money but it still feels like theft to me. But that might just be the roleplayer in me talking. Or the stubborn individualist in me... I'm not sure. Either way, my guys weren't effected because it was suspect to begin with to us... To say we didn't have a little discussion how to keep it would be a lie, but it was all just messing around and having a good time... It IS just a game on our end after all...
im glad im not the only one who admits to having attempted to keep it even though it wasnt rightfully mine, and that your not raging about the loss like some of the others...
hard to say about the inflation, incursions had people showering in ISK faucets, then they took away drone loot driving down supply for an increasing demand of higher end gear. it was a series of events that lead up to prices reaching back to what i remember them being from 5 years ago... as i recall, my first raven was 120m(2007), it died in 45 minutes or less, then i remember buying megathrons and dominixes for less than 75m each(2010), and now theyre back up closer to 100m last i bought one(2012)... so is it so much inflation? or simply a return of order to the chaos of market values? |
Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:45:00 -
[150] - Quote
IRuby Heart wrote:Che Cortez wrote:Katius Maximus wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction why should i jump through hoops to try to make it easier for CCP to fix THEIR mistake.i thought that ISK was for a ASSETS wipe or they had changed the denomination of the ISK like they have done with the AURUM before.it wasnt untill i checked my assets and wallet i reliased something was wrong by then it was too late the money was already donated. Che Cortez wrote:Why not just talk to your directors/ceo and get them to reimburse you? i could but why should i it is CCP's mistake not mine Really.. Really, that is your position on this... . Please tell me your joking. I'm really dumbfounded by that way of thinking, I don't even know what to say.. Thanks for the laugh? And good luck with that mate Lol Uh?? It is CCP's mistake, Are you denying that? Here is a person who can't understand right from wrong and wants everything given to him instead of working for it.
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
38
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:56:00 -
[151] - Quote
Israckcatarac wrote:Here is a person who can't understand right from wrong and wants everything given to him instead of working for it.
theyve been arguing that they deserve that ISK most of the day, ive spent the better part of my day championing the removal of the isk. things were just starting to settle down after the uprising buyback... i would have prefered a total asset reset than EVERYONE being able to afford ALL PROTO ALL THE TIME... took away the magic when losses held less impact.
admittedly i did attempt to exploit the error of CCP, but as soon as they stated people would just go negative wallet balance i accepted my loss to their tactics. i didnt gain any edge, but i dont LOSE anything i had rightfully earned... those who end up negative dont lose anything either, they just cant buy more until they earn what they bought... if they run out and have to run militia gear for a stretch to recover, well they just condensed the periodic militia sprees to one stretch to pay off what they bought. which... having thought of it in this light... i suddenly wish i had a proper proto fit to be able to burn this isk so that i will accept the militia spree more willingly. |
Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:01:00 -
[152] - Quote
Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Correcting is not penalizing. Yeah I would love to keep the 380 mil ISK in my wallet but im not going to throw a tantrum if they correct the mistake and bring me back to 130mil.
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Shiney Berbles
Nephilim Initiative
4
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:12:00 -
[153] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:Shiney Berbles wrote:@players - stop complaining, stuff happens, and if you went and spent isk you knew wasn't earned then shame on you for taking a handout.
@CCP - apologies for all these ppl who complaining about going negitive, its like they have never had a real life and never used a bank account. Thinking they can spend unearned isk.... keep the game strong and awesome!
Oh and at players, before you start attacking me.. I also received just about double what I had in isk. But I didn't spend cause I thought about where the money may have come from (to include skill changes/refunds and marketplace refunds). After nothing had changed I thought ok a mistake has been made and to keep the dust economy alive in these early stages CCP would probably take the isk back...
"I love being a merc, I get paid to kill stuff" -unknown GTFOH, logic and common sense have no place on these forums!
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Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
99
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:16:00 -
[154] - Quote
We didn't try and keep it, we just talked about ways to do it. But because we couldn't find a reason for it to be, either in game or on the forums at that time, we let it be. But it was a fun little discussion with shell companies and all that. We had a good laugh. Someone mentioned all the qq'ing that would happen if people spent all the extra isk and then CCP came in and took it all back... That had us laughing more. That was roughly 0830 CST... |
NewOldMan
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:26:00 -
[155] - Quote
people need to realize that just because they gave you one stimulus package, that you can expect more of them.
They were only supposed to reimburse you for the money spent on skill books, not the untold millions that were given back today.
I for one will be happy to see a less isk saturated market come downtime tomorrow. |
Jade Tech
Nox Aeterna Security
6
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:49:00 -
[156] - Quote
Ummm, I am having a problem with DUST as well as many of these others. My character here has not gotten the skill respec yet. However, I did obtain an extra 210 million isk for some reason. I had 150 mil, then over the night, it shot up to 360 mil. I don't know how this happened, and I doubt it was the skill books, so what's going on?
I still haven't recieved my skill respec, and I have a staggering balance of ISK. I replied to the respec ticket explaining all of this as well, but please... Fix this. |
Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.05.29 06:55:00 -
[157] - Quote
@ 5 posts above. So they should get to keep our hard earned isk when we get stuck on an invisible wall, or When I'm trying to do my god damned job reviving people only to be running over the person's body for 20 secs and get shot because it takes too fuckin long to find the spot. But if we get extra isk and we want to keep it, we're the bad guys... This should be treated as compensation for all that we lost by means of more CCP mistakes. |
3XHERMES
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 07:34:00 -
[158] - Quote
Everyone I know puts a crazy amount of actual money into Dust anyway. I think you'll make everyone angry by teasing people and taking that ISK away. The point is to have fun. Having that ISK taken will make the game less so. I get glitched out of more PC battles than I care to remember . We love Dust 514 and don't mind the glitches so much because we know you're cool guys pioneering the future of gaming. You should at least let us keep 25% of it, learn from it, and carry the burden of your glitch by yourselves. |
RagnaroK Ignite
NW WARLORDS
1
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Posted - 2013.05.29 09:06:00 -
[159] - Quote
Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct?
The thing with your analogy is that if I found a briefcase full of money I know for sure that the money is not mine, but what really happened is CCP give you a briefcase full of money that you put in the bank to paid your bills, then CCP is like crap I just made all my calculations wrong so they hack into your bank account and subtract all the money they give you and then the bank say "well now you owe us 100000 ISK" how is that even fair? |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
46
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:23:00 -
[160] - Quote
RagnaroK Ignite wrote:Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct? The thing with your analogy is that if I found a briefcase full of money I know for sure that the money is not mine, but what really happened is CCP give you a briefcase full of money that you put in the bank to paid your bills, then CCP is like crap I just made all my calculations wrong so they hack into your bank account and subtract all the money they give you and then the bank say "well now you owe us 100000 ISK" how is that even fair?
How about this: imagine the bank itself accidentally deposited a large sum of money into your account. Whether you spend it or not, it was never your's, you didn't earn it, and you can be sure that they WILL take it back, even if that means your account goes into the negative.
Analogies aside, yes, accidentally giving out the ISK was CCP's mistake, now they "pay the price" for that mistake in the real-life time and effort they'll need to spend sorting out and rectifying the resulting mess.
On the other hand, the PLAYERS' mistake was spending that ISK that they clearly didn't earn, and didn't deserve, now they have topay the price for that mistake, by giving the money back.
Seems reasonable to me. Mistakes have consequences. Time for people to stop crying that they have to give back something that never rightfully belonged to them in the first place, put on their big-boy pants and accept the consequences of their actions.
What is it that I keep reading on these forums all the time?
Oh, right:
"Welcome to New Eden, HTFU". |
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Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
101
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:37:00 -
[161] - Quote
RagnaroK Ignite wrote:
*snip snip snip*
The thing with your analogy is that if I found a briefcase full of money I know for sure that the money is not mine, but what really happened is CCP ACCIDENTLYgive you a briefcase full of money that you put in the bank to paid your bills, then CCP is like crap I just made all my calculations wrong so they hack into your bank account and subtract all the money they give you and then the bank say "well now you owe us 100000 ISK" how is that even fair?
Fixed it for you. It's no different than a bank error. You think the bank isn't going to take its money back? What you are saying is that you knew the extra money in your account wasn't yours and you spent it anyway. In case you missed it, CCP is the bank here. Just consider this isk issue a loan from the bank, you were always going to have to pay it back somehow anyway. Be glad there's no interest on the loan.
And it's not like it was Aurum. That's a completely different issue with real world implications.
Breathe people. It's fake money... in a game. |
Dean Gallacher
The Sovereign Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:57:00 -
[162] - Quote
I own my own corp and asked for a skill respec, because I will lose the corp skill... will I lose my corp? |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:22:00 -
[163] - Quote
Earlier in this thread they said they left Corp skill alone during the respec unless you specifically want it to be reset.
GM Grave wrote:JERRY 666 wrote:You are correct. After looking to see how much level 5 corporation skill is, the math works out. Why is it that you can't respec the corporation skills to the amount of member that are in the corporation? I requested in the respec ticket for this, but was only replied that this was not done. When the ability to create a corporation was first made, I didn't know then how it worked and kept buying corporation skill trying to get it too work. While we try not to meddle with corp skills in order to ensure your corp remains intact. If your issue was not resolved during the skill respec please file a support ticket and we'll see what we can do to help you out: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1834
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:52:00 -
[164] - Quote
Dean Gallacher wrote:I own my own corp and asked for a skill respec, because I will lose the corp skill... will I lose my corp?
No, once you form a corp, you do not need the skills to keep it running. |
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Miokai Zahou
Commando Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:22:00 -
[165] - Quote
Hi there,
Has the fix for the respec gone out yet because I got an email before the 28th saying i was in queue for it and only got the isk back and no SP reimbursement yet.
Sorry if this has been asked already but I'm getting conflicted information. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
48
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:34:00 -
[166] - Quote
Jade Tech wrote:Ummm, I am having a problem with DUST as well as many of these others. My character here has not gotten the skill respec yet. However, I did obtain an extra 210 million isk for some reason. I had 150 mil, then over the night, it shot up to 360 mil. I don't know how this happened, and I doubt it was the skill books, so what's going on?
I still haven't recieved my skill respec, and I have a staggering balance of ISK. I replied to the respec ticket explaining all of this as well, but please... Fix this.
The GM Grave post and now CCP Frame post in announcements and events are both EXTREMELY misleading... i called them out on this yesterday(page 6)
they dont mention anything about batches... which is causing confusion and im sure a spamming of their petition system.
on page 6, there was a post from GM Grave about the batches and the mysterious hiccup that occured with my batch placement. 2 weeks+ waiting for respec, and it looks like im still waiting... they provide no information to the user which batch they are in... they provide no information on when respecs are scheduled... and when peoples batch number arent called, but they say things like(see quote below), it only leads me to wonder if they are trying to make their jobs harder by not being transparent about what, i feel, shouldnt need to be so cloak and dagger....
GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed. Should players have any issues after restarting their game client then please file a support ticket at the link below: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets[words words words] [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
also, for the record, still have ISK issues of 156m ISK that i shouldnt have. which was supposed to be fixed at downtime thismorning... petition has already been updated reflecting this development. |
Solomon Malcolm
BurgezzE.T.F
22
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:45:00 -
[167] - Quote
Yes, i still have 247Mill Isk when my current balance was 119Mill. i guess it did not get fixed.... |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:18:00 -
[168] - Quote
well i hoped todays DT would give me my respec, guess not. i just wanna get my proto logi |
Racro 01 Arifistan
Universal Allies Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:28:00 -
[169] - Quote
JX1 wrote:Joe Random is an average guy, average job, average house, average wife and family. One day he finds that his bank balance shows seven digits from one deposit he did not ask for and cannot trace. Joe Random spends the money, then gets grumpy when the bank takes it back, putting his account into negative. Joe Random is not bright.
Bobby Business in the same situation decides to alert the bank of the mistake, but goes about paying his bills, making note to stay within his normal budgetary limits. Bobby Business is smart.
Don't be a Joe Random.
thi9s is quite true and funny +5 |
Shadow Camo
B.O.S. RAVENS LAST STAND
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:34:00 -
[170] - Quote
Dear CCP,
I ( Shadow Camo) am relatively new to Dust. I am writing to see if i can still get a skill respec, due to not knowing how the skills really worked for my character until my friend BLACKDEMONBMW showed me. Again after I realized what i was really putting s.p. down for, I just wanna kinda slap myself in the face... But at the same time if you are un-able to do this for me, I will totally understand, but at the same time I wish I took initiative to log into the Dust Website sooner, and find the respec forum before you had the update on it during server downtime. All in all I would Highly appreciate it if you could give me a skill respec. Thanks again for taking a look at my response to this forum.
-One of your happiest and loyal fans -Shadow Camo - PSN: SniperCamo95
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Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
67
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:46:00 -
[171] - Quote
An asset buyback may be a good fix for this issue, I got a Skill Re-spec and have to buy more gear that works with the skills I speced into. How is a person to know how much the skill books they bought cost before the re-spec, I know that after purchasing all the new Skill books I had spent over 20mil in isk.
By the way CCP, feel free to buy back any of my assets that I can't use due to SP requirements not met. This will help me protobear the militia heavies with my LogiBro equipment. I'm sure that they'd rather get picked up with a proto needle rather than a militia one. |
Hellsung Deathsong
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
23
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:03:00 -
[172] - Quote
why not reset values and sell off all players goods, they can spend ten mins refitting and then no one has a negative, everyone has some extra money from loot, but nothing they didn't earn, everyone walks away happy |
Shadow Camo
B.O.S. RAVENS LAST STAND
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:12:00 -
[173] - Quote
Or just have a respec option in game, where you get so many points isk wise and respec |
Senator Snipe
NOVA TECH MARINES Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:29:00 -
[174] - Quote
i just want my sp respec. I don't understand why they couldn't give the respec to all the people that requested it. I mean, they did it in the uprising. |
Shadow Camo
B.O.S. RAVENS LAST STAND
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:30:00 -
[175] - Quote
Senator Snipe wrote:i just want my sp respec. I don't understand why they couldn't give the respec to all the people that requested it. I mean, they did it in the uprising.
This is why you need a in game respec option... flat out
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Senator Snipe
NOVA TECH MARINES Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:34:00 -
[176] - Quote
well in that case ya why not. So if people mess up, they don't got to start over the file. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
50
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:37:00 -
[177] - Quote
Shadow Camo, i sent you an in game mail, and will post here as well. log into the DUST514.com main page and file a petition there(click on your user name at the top of the screen to get to 'Help Ticket' page). Title it as 'Skill Respec' and you should get an automated reply stating you were flagged. then wait for your 'batch' of respecs to hit. ive been waiting 2 weeks(filed 14th of may) and am not receiving my respec until some unknown date for my 'future batch'
Senator Snipe wrote:i just want my sp respec. I don't understand why they couldn't give the respec to all the people that requested it. I mean, they did it in the uprising.
ive been asking the same question myself... they did more than 6k respecs in one day and managed to not have these *FEATURES* happen... and they have made two attempts at least to fix the ISK and still havent corrected the situation... |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
8
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:01:00 -
[178] - Quote
Any word on when the next batch of respecs is going to happen? I wanna buy some things with aur, but wanna wait till i get my respec. |
DJINN Zact
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
23
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:18:00 -
[179] - Quote
So we were told it was fixed, then it was not. So all people who spent their isk thinking it was fixed will be negative now? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
51
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:23:00 -
[180] - Quote
itsmellslikefish wrote:Any word on when the next batch of respecs is going to happen? I wanna buy some things with aur, but wanna wait till i get my respec.
response from GM Koshka to my petition about not being in the first batch
"Although you are included in the next one, that we will take place very soon."
'very soon'
that is all the more information that i have received even via direct petition regarding this situation... waiting over 2 weeks for my petition now, and have no clue as to when my respec will get processed... with my luck, i expect to not get processed until the very last batch of individuals who get processed on the morning of the 31st.
they said they would announce it in the individual daily downtime reports which appear on the announcements/events board. but have provided no information as far as i am aware about the batches... no word to the players as to what batch they are, no word to the community when batches were going to be processed... no word to the community how many batches there are even going to be... its all very cloak and dagger... it would have reduced the impact on their petition system if they had been more transparent about the whole situation and let us know what they were planning, rather than everyone who didnt receive their respec getting frustrated at the whole situation...
Events board link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=898
First batch announcement thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82431&find=unread
Possible information post(locked, GM/DEV post ONLY) regarding the respec *FEATURE*: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82780&find=unread |
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jamstar saa187
Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack
8
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:25:00 -
[181] - Quote
Shadow Camo wrote:Dear CCP,
I ( Shadow Camo) am relatively new to Dust. I am writing to see if i can still get a skill respec, due to not knowing how the skills really worked for my character until my friend BLACKDEMONBMW showed me. Again after I realized what i was really putting s.p. down for, I just wanna kinda slap myself in the face... But at the same time if you are un-able to do this for me, I will totally understand, but at the same time I wish I took initiative to log into the Dust Website sooner, and find the respec forum before you had the update on it during server downtime. All in all I would Highly appreciate it if you could give me a skill respec. Thanks again for taking a look at my response to this forum.
-One of your happiest and loyal fans -Shadow Camo - PSN: SniperCamo95
go to the DUst514.com website and submit a ticket with 'respec' as the subject title |
LICHSMASHER
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:31:00 -
[182] - Quote
wrong form account |
Lichsmash RN
Quackery Labs Roid Addicts
3
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:38:00 -
[183] - Quote
LICHSMASHER wrote:wrong form account sorry about taht is is the account with the hep ticket
i accidentally posted a help ticket iwin the bug report category as i didn't know that any one else was getting massive amounts of isk i fear that since non of the fixes have helped it will be days to anyone finds my help ticket due to me not knowing where to file it
i feel stuck in no mans land. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
52
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:41:00 -
[184] - Quote
could always send a message apologizing for your mistake and close that ticket and open a new one in the correct category.
i am not for certain how they want you to handle it, but this is how i would attempt to make things right. |
Lichsmash RN
Quackery Labs Roid Addicts
3
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:42:00 -
[185] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:could always send a message apologizing for your mistake and close that ticket and open a new one in the correct category.
i am not for certain how they want you to handle it, but this is how i would attempt to make things right.
thaks but do you know what category to put it under they dont say in the main post |
SSBBW Amber
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:47:00 -
[186] - Quote
So has anyone that asked for an account RESET gotten one yet? Mine still hasn't been reset. I got the respect that I asked for on my other account, but not me reset. |
jin foxdale
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
17
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:52:00 -
[187] - Quote
So, downtime has come and gone on this fine Wednesday, and I still have 100m extra ISK - has anyone had theirs removed yet? For the record, I'd like to keep the risk/reward aspect of Dust alive, and will gladly pay back the ISK that is currently mocking me in my own home... |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3133
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:09:00 -
[188] - Quote
So I just checked my account, and in spite of having been advised that we can request a respec on a single character, and in spite of requesting a respec for my tank alt and ONLY that character, I've had my whole account respecced.
Not a huge issue, and shouldn't take long to retrain all the relevant skills, but it was an unexpected inconvenience for me to deal with. It would have been nice to be advised that I wasn't going to see a single-character respec as requested. Or, you know, to actually get what I was told I'd be getting, but apparently that's not how things work around here. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
52
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:12:00 -
[189] - Quote
jin foxdale wrote:So, downtime has come and gone on this fine Wednesday, and I still have 100m extra ISK - has anyone had theirs removed yet? For the record, I'd like to keep the risk/reward aspect of Dust alive, and will gladly pay back the ISK that is currently mocking me in my own home...
ive created a 'tears thread' about this issue in general chat, some people hadnt realized that they were dying inside due to the influx of isk...
@lich i filed my respec petition under skills 2 weeks ago, and it timed out and was closed automatically. i filed the followup for no respec also in skills. i have been using the followup to complain about the isk issues, but should probably create a second, seperate petition at this point for the isk. |
jin foxdale
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
17
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:26:00 -
[190] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:jin foxdale wrote:So, downtime has come and gone on this fine Wednesday, and I still have 100m extra ISK - has anyone had theirs removed yet? For the record, I'd like to keep the risk/reward aspect of Dust alive, and will gladly pay back the ISK that is currently mocking me in my own home... ive created a 'tears thread' about this issue in general chat, some people hadnt realized that they were dying inside due to the influx of isk... @lich i filed my respec petition under skills 2 weeks ago, and it timed out and was closed automatically. i filed the followup for no respec also in skills. i have been using the followup to complain about the isk issues, but should probably create a second, seperate petition at this point for the isk.
Righty ho, I'm off to the tears thread!
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
52
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:01:00 -
[191] - Quote
last i saw, it was on page3 of general, titled "Am i the only one not happy with this isk?" |
Baosh Shiryl
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:01:00 -
[192] - Quote
So should I submit another ticket? It has been a week since I did so and I have not gotten any confirmation about it. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
52
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:03:00 -
[193] - Quote
GM Grave said you should have received a response on your petition within 72 hours... if it has been more than 3 days, you may have mis-filed.
Title should have been Skill Respec or ... i forget the title for the account reset... the details were here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77103&find=unread |
Baosh Shiryl
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:05:00 -
[194] - Quote
I did title it Skill Respec under the skills category. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
52
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:07:00 -
[195] - Quote
the petition get closed automatically? or is it still open? if its open, send a reply, see if itll bump you up in the queue... if it got closed waiting for a response, id say file again |
Baosh Shiryl
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:16:00 -
[196] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:the petition get closed automatically? or is it still open? if its open, send a reply, see if itll bump you up in the queue... if it got closed waiting for a response, id say file again
Upon closer observation, I think my first ticket failed to send at all. Submitted another one it seems to have worked. Now I wait. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
272
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:42:00 -
[197] - Quote
CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time.
Or you learn to play more cautiously and don't spend money unless you need it..... just saying. Glitches happen, you cant blame anyone but yourself for being negative if that is the case. |
Bucktooth Badger
Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop
85
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:14:00 -
[198] - Quote
CCP Eterne wrote:
No, once you form a corp, you do not need the skills to keep it running.
Just to clarify though, if a CEO of a large corp (not me) was to respec, would they need to reskill into corps to accept any new members or will the corp be able to accept members up to the current skill level has been fulfilled?
As an example, if I did a mad splurge now and skilled to 5 in all three corp related skills, potentially my corp could have up to 1300 members. If I then respec, would the corp still have that potential without me putting any sp into the necessary skills or would it just have the current membership until I skilled up accordingly to allow new members?
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:38:00 -
[199] - Quote
an error message would pop up saying you have insufficient skills to accept any new members to the corporation. |
Pakratpatti TG
TeamPlayers EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:43:00 -
[200] - Quote
CCP for those of us that did get the respect..& have ?'s as to the amount of Isk & SP we received being accurate or not. Could you Please post when the corrections on your end have been made so we know if what we received is correct in case we see NO change in the next few days to or new total amounts. Thanks |
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Vethosis
Universal Allies Inc.
54
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:49:00 -
[201] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal.
I didn't know if CCP was giving isk for free. |
Orin the Freak
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
663
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:50:00 -
[202] - Quote
this is so awesome. I got my respec, but now I'm afraid to buy any skill books/gear for fear of CCP screwing me into debt. thanks CCP. one more reason to seriously love your company. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
1006
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:53:00 -
[203] - Quote
CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time.
Common sense.
If your bank gives you extra money that isn't yours, do you spend that too then complain that the bank took your money when they realize the mistake? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:29:00 -
[204] - Quote
Orin the Freak wrote:this is so awesome. I got my respec, but now I'm afraid to buy any skill books/gear for fear of CCP screwing me into debt. thanks CCP. one more reason to seriously love your company.
you should know approximately how much ISK you had, and if you manage to go into the red buying skillbooks, it shouldnt take you terribly long to grind your way back into the positives. especially since all skillbooks you had should have had their isk price refunded.
buying ALL skillbooks in the game shouldnt be more than about 85m or so. approximately 2.5m per weapon x17 2.8m/race in dropsuits, 10mrace vehicles, plus another 1m for misc vehicle skills, 1m for turrets(im not seeing specs on market...), 1.5m for engineering roughly, under 1m for the electronics skills, about 1.1m for mechanics, 8.5m for corp management, under 5m for all the dropsuit upgrades. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:34:00 -
[205] - Quote
Question, you mention penalizing corporations that launder this bug ISK but how do you plan to track and prove it? I ask since I imagine many of the larger corps whose characters have multiple alts have likely already started to pass that ISK around |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:37:00 -
[206] - Quote
Delta 749 wrote:Question, you mention penalizing corporations that launder this bug ISK but how do you plan to track and prove it? I ask since I imagine many of the larger corps whose characters have multiple alts have likely already started to pass that ISK around
they wont. they will simply take the isk away from the players. rather than track where the isk went, it is easier to just reverse engineer the bug itself by refrencing everyones wallet journal entries. the last entry before downtime had 1 value, the first entry after downtime had the second value, and the difference is how much isk they shouldnt have.
or thats how it SHOULD have worked... until the hotfix yesterday made me go from 161m extra to 156m extra... |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:41:00 -
[207] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Question, you mention penalizing corporations that launder this bug ISK but how do you plan to track and prove it? I ask since I imagine many of the larger corps whose characters have multiple alts have likely already started to pass that ISK around they wont. they will simply take the isk away from the players. rather than track where the isk went, it is easier to just reverse engineer the bug itself by refrencing everyones wallet journal entries. the last entry before downtime had 1 value, the first entry after downtime had the second value, and the difference is how much isk they shouldnt have. or thats how it SHOULD have worked... until the hotfix yesterday made me go from 161m extra to 156m extra... the corporation would still have plenty of spare change, but the individuals who laundered the isk would be red until they either recovered the isk they donated to corp, or farmed out the isk in battle.
Ah, Im starting to get why CCP has such rabid fanboys then if they can abuse bugs without so much as a finger wagged at them |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:55:00 -
[208] - Quote
well define what you mean by abuse, if membership wont be able to purchase anything unless they get the isk back from whoever they sent it to... if corporation were to go red, it wouldnt be able to buy clone packs or whatever else corps are allowed to purchase at this point.
ive had a negative wallet balance before after a successful reimbursement petition on EVE, they dont just magic stuff for the player, when i got the ship back(plus ONLY the destroyed items that didnt drop), i lost the insurance payout for it, and since i didnt have the money, they warned me that my wallet would be negative, and while it was negative, i couldnt buy ANYTHING... here we have militia fits(10-20% difference to proto weapons?)... EVE you have a rookie ship... i would take militia fit over rookie ship any day. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:02:00 -
[209] - Quote
By abuse I mean taking these bugged funds from alts people no longer use IE clones sitting collecting passive XP, burned spy clones, etc and funneling them into the mains corporations significantly boosting their wallets with no down side |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:13:00 -
[210] - Quote
Delta 749 wrote:By abuse I mean taking these bugged funds from alts people no longer use IE clones sitting collecting passive XP, burned spy clones, etc and funneling them into the mains corporations significantly boosting their wallets with no down side
my unused alts have under 4m isk each... if they received any fraudulent funds, it doesnt amount to much, 8m/account x 20 people might start making an impact, but if you have 100+ players in a corp, and any decent number of them are into proto gear, chances are the income from 8m/player isnt going to be terribly huge.
but at the same time, tracking all of these transactions would be nearly impossible, not to mention distinguishing between personal isk and fraudulent isk after the transactions start... rather than putting a specific number on a single isk and trying to follow it through its lifes experience, it is simply easier to revert any and all characters proceedurally for the erroneous amount of isk before and after downtime. some of it will get through yes, but a lions share of the isk will be pulled out of circulation one way or another. if someone scraps an alt or two who got their isk into circulation saves them a few hundred manhours trying to perform forensic accounting to focus on more pressing issues, so be it. 160m from my example earlier for 20x players, or single players, such as myself, having 160m each... its not perfect, but it is quick and simple.
as mentioned, id rather CCP does a quick and dirty fix here, and focus on something more pressing than attempting to track THOUSANDS of players financial records of what isk went where. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:15:00 -
[211] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Delta 749 wrote:By abuse I mean taking these bugged funds from alts people no longer use IE clones sitting collecting passive XP, burned spy clones, etc and funneling them into the mains corporations significantly boosting their wallets with no down side my unused alts have under 4m isk each... if they received any fraudulent funds, it doesnt amount to much, 8m/account x 20 people might start making an impact, but if you have 100+ players in a corp, and any decent number of them are into proto gear, chances are the income from 8m/player isnt going to be terribly huge. but at the same time, tracking all of these transactions would be nearly impossible, not to mention distinguishing between personal isk and fraudulent isk after the transactions start... rather than putting a specific number on a single isk and trying to follow it through its lifes experience, it is simply easier to revert any and all characters proceedurally for the erroneous amount of isk before and after downtime. some of it will get through yes, but a lions share of the isk will be pulled out of circulation one way or another. if someone scraps an alt or two who got their isk into circulation saves them a few hundred manhours trying to perform forensic accounting to focus on more pressing issues, so be it. 160m from my example earlier for 20x players, or single players, such as myself, having 160m each... its not perfect, but it is quick and simple. as mentioned, id rather CCP does a quick and dirty fix here, and focus on something more pressing than attempting to track THOUSANDS of players financial records of what isk went where.
At this point I would be in favor of a rollback, losing a day of progress isnt the end of the world |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:23:00 -
[212] - Quote
but that would cause more of a fit than petty change getting missed...
districts may have changed hands is probably going to be the biggest issue.
not to mention the SP gain of the dedicated/hardcore, losing a days progress would really **** some of them off.
if they had done the roll back a mere 3 hours after downtime yesterday, it wouldnt have been so bad, but its been a day and a half, and is probably not going to happen.
im not saying i want to keep any of my isk, and have been spamming the error persists on the forum. im tired of kills not meaning anything from the last market buyback when they launched this build... this new issue has me afk farming battles because my kills arent going to mean anything to the enemies wallets for at least another month now. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:29:00 -
[213] - Quote
Personally I try to keep the MST3K mantra in mind when it comes to things like rollbacks in games but you are right, the more time that passes the more people will lose their **** when it comes to rollbacks |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
54
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:31:00 -
[214] - Quote
i specifically didnt play yesterday expecting the rollback to win out, gave up with the patience today though. not that im being a productive member of battles, but still want the weekly sp cap to happen soon |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
507
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:43:00 -
[215] - Quote
I'm surprised that CCP doesn't send messages to all characters through the in game mail system when things like this happen, since a lot of players don't check the forums.
I know they sent an in game message warning players to reset their system, but that was only for people in game at the time (and the problem wasn't fixed). A mail system message would be harder for people to miss and would reduce the risk of people overspending or whatever. |
Croned
The Penguin Society
4
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:45:00 -
[216] - Quote
I have multiple friends who received over 100 million ISK in the reimbursement back in Uprising. Explain how that looked any different than the sudden addition of 140 million ISK yesterday. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
54
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:09:00 -
[217] - Quote
Croned wrote:I have multiple friends who received over 100 million ISK in the reimbursement back in Uprising. Explain how that looked any different than the sudden addition of 140 million ISK yesterday.
it didnt at first glance, but when you see all of your assets persist is when red flags should start going up. you got 100m when uprising launched because they took all of your loot but militia gear and officer weapons. |
Baosh Shiryl
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:19:00 -
[218] - Quote
Just got my confirmation email. Awaiting my Respec in the coming days. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
54
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:23:00 -
[219] - Quote
Baosh Shiryl wrote:Just got my confirmation email. Awaiting my Respec in the coming days.
faster than expected. hopefully your wait is shorter than mine has been |
Horse Schitt
Turalyon Plus
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:28:00 -
[220] - Quote
Roy Xkillerz wrote:Compared to the eve market most people will not have over a few hunderd mil isk. Can't hurt that much?
There will be some minor problems, I'm sure, but I doubt it would be as bad as it could be if it were EVE. |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
55
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:47:00 -
[221] - Quote
Horse Schitt wrote:Roy Xkillerz wrote:Compared to the eve market most people will not have over a few hunderd mil isk. Can't hurt that much? There will be some minor problems, I'm sure, but I doubt it would be as bad as it could be if it were EVE.
the major problem with the extra isk in DUST is that it reduces the impact of individual deaths.
this was supposed to be a game where death has a meaning.... infinite isk, or excessive isk, or isk you dont have to work for, takes any and all of that meaning away...
if everyone in EVE were to receive an extra 150m ISK, it wouldnt be such a huge impact since a battleships and battle cruisers cost about that much, and can be destroyed and negated in a matter of minutes where as in DUST, it takes hours and hours to burn the 150m down... but things also cost a LOT more in EVE, i wanna say 200m? for advanced cruisers, 300-400m for advanced battlecruisers and navy battleships, 600 or so for a t3 cruiser, almost 1bill for most of the pirate or t2 battleships, 1-1.2b for a carrier, 2.2-2.6b for a dread, 20b+ for a super, 80b+ for a titan |
Jade Tech
Nox Aeterna Security
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:53:00 -
[222] - Quote
All I'm wondering is if they can fix this soon. And give us a date too. Tomorrow after downtime? The 31st? When is the respec going to be fixed, along with our isk issues? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
55
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:52:00 -
[223] - Quote
whats the problem with your respec? or have you simply not gotten it?
they were processing them in batches, they have provided no details that i am aware of about batches... players were not informed which batch they got placed in, and have not been told when their batches are supposed to be processed.
for awhile, the information posts from GMs and DEVs didnt even mention batches until thismorning at some point... just referencing that 'if you were registered for a respec that it should be complete' or something along those lines... petition responses and several forum posts later they finally let me know that i was shuffled into a later batch that would be coming 'very soon'
all very cryptic and unnecessarily cloak and dagger for something that would save a lot of headache on both sides if more transparency happened... |
Lucrezia LeGrand
Verboten Industries
8
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:35:00 -
[224] - Quote
This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
57
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:08:00 -
[225] - Quote
Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative.
if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character.
i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish...
the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game... |
Lucrezia LeGrand
Verboten Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:53:00 -
[226] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative. if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character. i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish... the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game...
Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
60
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:18:00 -
[227] - Quote
Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative. if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character. i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish... the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game... Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out.
and i realize my advice probably isnt the best solution, but better than no solution. as for when you should wait until... while the 31st 'should' work as its only a day away now, you might want to consider keeping an eye on the forum posts where they were relaying information about the isk issue(this thread and theres a locked post in announcements and events) and see if they announce a 'its really fixed this time' edit.
or alternatively, wait until they announce the 'final batch' of respecs. they will be processing the requests up until downtime on the 31st, and since theyve not even made it to the second batch(batch sizes unknown, so they may have done anywhere between 1 and 6k+ on the 28th).
this is just throwing what information i am aware of out there for your consideration. but do what you feel to be appropriate. this also includes the option of spending the isk if you are willing to accept the consequences of negative wallet balance. if i get my respec before they take the isk from my wallet, i plan to put myself negative soon as i find an acceptable fitting for my new build. there are reasons beyond attempting to exploit it, but with my lack of self control with shinies, i intend to force my back against the wall and spam militia suits for an extended period rather than wantonly throw away my new proto suits that i 'think' i can afford to burn. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
36
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:38:00 -
[228] - Quote
Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct?
if someone dumps 5,000 in your bank account, and you spend the money, its not really your fault. you dnt know where it came from. its the banks issue they made a mistake. what benefit do you as the customer get for calling it in?
if its a named check, or someones wallet you find on the ground, or in an office, etc then ok there are measures you can take to return it however, if by someone elses error you encounter money in your personal bank account it is yours. they should have "carried the 1" |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
36
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:39:00 -
[229] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal.
if i open my personal wallet and find 20 bucks in there that i didnt find yesterday its mine |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
61
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 07:48:00 -
[230] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal. if i open my personal wallet and find 20 bucks in there that i didnt find yesterday its mine
while this is true of the real world, id does kind of ruin the gaming experience if your kills and your deaths have no significant financial impact... thats what made the previous build of DUST so fun, finding the few proto rambos running solo, and taking their shinies that would set them back the entire match... destroying someones tank was a BIG punch in their pocket book...
and then we had the uprising market buyback... and everyone everywhere who had been around for a while now had an extra 150m+ to throw around... the proto bears who had been maintaining their proto rampages fairly steady in the previous build will be able to maintain them almost indefinitely now, without having to worry so much about an individual game going a little negative... tank drivers spam in 2 or 3 of the new proto tanks and apparently dont bat an eye at the losses... a corp mate of mine lost a 3m dropship and he just called in another one for a pub match that had ZERO impact in the grand scheme of things....
this is why i have been championing the removal of said isk. and i have admitted my intention of using it, but i am also willing to accept the negative wallet balance, because if i just throw away those suits, i will not be able to use them again, or anything else that comes out for an extended period that it will take to get back to a positive wallet balance, forcing me back to my basics, spending SP to finish skills i already had, getting my gunplay back up trying to take down the other protobears with militia suits again. after deep thought about the situation, i feel i would benefit from the negative wallet status when this issue gets corrected, and not for the simple asset/financial gain that others have been looking at it as. |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
61
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:11:00 -
[231] - Quote
Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:
Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out.
Players should liaise with their corporations to ensure ISK donations are returned to the original character otherwise all characters and corporations involved in ISK laundering will be subject to further ISK reversal. Users found to have abused corp donations may be subject to punitive actions against their accounts however such cases will be addressed on their own merits and handled on a case by case basis.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82780&find=unread pulled from CCP frames locked post in the Announcements board
if the character has been deleted, you might want to petition CCP about it sooner rather than later to ensure they do not attempt to subject you to further punitive actions based on the theory that you deleted the char so to dispose of evidence. |
Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
22
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 09:29:00 -
[232] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct? if someone dumps 5,000 in your bank account, and you spend the money, its not really your fault. you dnt know where it came from. its the banks issue they made a mistake. what benefit do you as the customer get for calling it in? if its a named check, or someones wallet you find on the ground, or in an office, etc then ok there are measures you can take to return it however, if by someone elses error you encounter money in your personal bank account it is yours. they should have "carried the 1" The law doesn't see it that way.
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Wil Kast
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
5
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 10:11:00 -
[233] - Quote
I have realized about the ISK huge increase but my skill respec has not been produced yet. |
Dalton Smithe
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
78
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 10:58:00 -
[234] - Quote
CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time.
Anyone else find that this troll's corp is "Not Guilty" ? lol |
YUSUF VISCOUND
ZoneOf TheEnders
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 11:32:00 -
[235] - Quote
Everyone who is all mad about them taking the money back needs to relax.
1.its a game not real life
2. you cannot have such an imbalance exist in an already imbalanced game it would be a deal breaker for most, some people only got 2mil while others got over 100 mil.
3.if you go into the negative then suck it up cupcake you spent free money on proto crap this is what you get and besides even if you go into the negative you'l still have your 300 proto tricked out assclown tanks you bought.
for all of you whining about going into the negative think of it this way. would you have spent it that quick if you had actually earned it? I really doubt over 200 mil would have gone into the toilet if you spent the month and a half earning all that money, you would have been a little smarter than that.
so in essence, you knew somthing was up when you saw that much money magically appear in your wallet but you spent it anyway. so take your lumps and have fun with all that crap you decided to splurge on for no good reason other than the fact you thought they wouldnt notice.
and just one more time so you all get it.
ITS A GAME |
Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organization
67
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:46:00 -
[236] - Quote
All I can say is they better only take away what got added by mistake.
no more no less, or my fury will be unimaginable |
PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F
23
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:05:00 -
[237] - Quote
After todays DT all the extra isk i got is now gone.
looks like they solved the isk problem. Thx.
Now im just waiting for my respec. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
127
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 12:11:00 -
[238] - Quote
I actually thought this was a extra boost to us for ******* us up so bad. Thanks CCP for putting me at -94m ISK. Love you! |
Guyve III
The Merc Net
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 12:18:00 -
[239] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:I actually thought this was a extra boost to us for ******* us up so bad. Thanks CCP for putting me at -94m ISK. Love you! all got this BS that was I from rebuild this so worng
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D3VASTAT0R
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 12:30:00 -
[240] - Quote
-125 mil isk way to go CCP really glad I was saving up for my elite pack I'll NEVER spend RL money on this game again. Learn how to cut your losses and worry about fixing your game not our wallets. |
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Darken Ages
Stoned Kloned Killers
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:37:00 -
[241] - Quote
I just made a account for my g/f lastnight with new email accout. She had 1 million isk last night with 500,000 thousand sp...Now this morning she has negative -417,000,000 isk and she never was given any isk from CCP because it was made lastnight.Way to go she just started last night and already owe CCP alot of isk. |
Zeke Zero
Circus of midnight
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 12:51:00 -
[242] - Quote
I need help. I must return the debt of 70 million isk. Has a daughter and wife living in the colony planet to me. My family would die if there is no my wages. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
16201
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:12:00 -
[243] - Quote
Darken Ages wrote:I just made a account for my g/f lastnight with new email accout. She had 1 million isk last night with 500,000 thousand sp...Now this morning she has negative -417,000,000 isk and she never was given any isk from CCP because it was made lastnight.Way to go she just started last night and already owe CCP alot of isk.
If serious can you share the character name please? If you don't want to share it on the forums feel free to EVE mail it to me. |
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Darken Ages
Stoned Kloned Killers
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:15:00 -
[244] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Darken Ages wrote:I just made a account for my g/f lastnight with new email accout. She had 1 million isk last night with 500,000 thousand sp...Now this morning she has negative -417,000,000 isk and she never was given any isk from CCP because it was made lastnight.Way to go she just started last night and already owe CCP alot of isk. If serious can you share the character name please? If you don't want to share it on the forums feel free to EVE mail it to me. She's going to email you |
Maggot420
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 13:33:00 -
[245] - Quote
I will donate 1 isk. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Imortal volunteers
639
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 13:35:00 -
[246] - Quote
Soxfour what database tech does ccp use because two screw ups one after the other is normally a pretty bad most companies would be throwing a fit :-( |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
369
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 13:35:00 -
[247] - Quote
Maggot420 wrote:I will donate 1 isk. You should work at the Pawn Stars shop. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
393
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 13:45:00 -
[248] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:if someone dumps 5,000 in your bank account, and you spend the money, its not really your fault. you dnt know where it came from. its the banks issue they made a mistake. what benefit do you as the customer get for calling it in?
if its a named check, or someones wallet you find on the ground, or in an office, etc then ok there are measures you can take to return it however, if by someone elses error you encounter money in your personal bank account it is yours. they should have "carried the 1" Wow, you are so completely wrong I'm not sure if you were actually trying to be serious. |
JodyDee Slimz
DA BOSS SQUAD
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 13:50:00 -
[249] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal. The last time we got a skill respec we also got alot of ISK, NTM CCP originally said they were going to refund the ISK cost of all items. So I can understand perfectly why someone would think that it was completely normal to have some extra cash today. lol what he said |
Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
17
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:09:00 -
[250] - Quote
You guys are f*cking assholes CCP, we always have to pay for your f*ckin' mistakes and bugs. You could have just set those wallets to zero. I've lost AUR because of your buggy, lageriffic game and yet I have to deal with it. My REAL F*CKING MONEY that you guys basically f*cking stole and I have not said one word. Well now ya got me pissed CCP -27mill now. Sick of this free to play bullsh*t. Same as every other mmo dev... If atleast the reviving isn't fixed soon than I f*cking quit. |
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DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:48:00 -
[251] - Quote
Im still waiting for my respec. Good thing im still patient |
Krasymptimo
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
22
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 14:49:00 -
[252] - Quote
Lowkiie wrote:You guys are f*cking assholes CCP, we always have to pay for your f*ckin' mistakes and bugs. You could have just set those wallets to zero. I've lost AUR because of your buggy, lageriffic game and yet I have to deal with it. My REAL F*CKING MONEY that you guys basically f*cking stole and I have not said one word. Well now ya got me pissed CCP -27mill now. Sick of this free to play bullsh*t. Same as every other mmo dev... If atleast the reviving isn't fixed soon than I f*cking quit.
Can you hear it? |
DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:50:00 -
[253] - Quote
Lowkiie wrote:You guys are f*cking assholes CCP, we always have to pay for your f*ckin' mistakes and bugs. You could have just set those wallets to zero. I've lost AUR because of your buggy, lageriffic game and yet I have to deal with it. My REAL F*CKING MONEY that you guys basically f*cking stole and I have not said one word. Well now ya got me pissed CCP -27mill now. Sick of this free to play bullsh*t. Same as every other mmo dev... If atleast the reviving isn't fixed soon than I f*cking quit.
Saying like that won't help you get your isks or aur back. Sorry. |
alex8108
Stoned Kloned Killers
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:10:00 -
[254] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Darken Ages wrote:I just made a account for my g/f lastnight with new email accout. She had 1 million isk last night with 500,000 thousand sp...Now this morning she has negative -417,000,000 isk and she never was given any isk from CCP because it was made lastnight.Way to go she just started last night and already owe CCP alot of isk. If serious can you share the character name please? If you don't want to share it on the forums feel free to EVE mail it to me. I am darken ages g/f and I am still new at this I would like my isk back plz
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3352
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:13:00 -
[255] - Quote
So your email to me states that all my ISK will be refunded
My ISK goes back to 130 Million, like it was before I flew your fail ships
I spend my ISK on all my new suits and skills.
You revoke the ISK
Then you say you're going to take back what I spent?
Lmao guys.
You're too damn funny. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
468
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:25:00 -
[256] - Quote
LOL CCP has FAILED HUGELY with this. Not only did they accidentally give tons of isk. But now they take away MORE THAN THEY GAVE....ROFL!!!!!! This is literally becoming a comedy show now. I am looking around for the cameras but I dont see any. Good job CCP! I gotta admit you troll better than anyone else in this game. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:31:00 -
[257] - Quote
hey ccp since clearly you failed the first grade and seem to be incapable of doing basic math. can you just set everyones isk you tossed to uber neg to 0 ..stop trying to do the math you fail terribly |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
491
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:37:00 -
[258] - Quote
Does it stink that mistakes happened, yes.
Am I going to lose sleep and whine about it, no...its a videogame.
If I find out there was an error with my character, I will file a help ticket.
ENJOY |
cSRT4
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:43:00 -
[259] - Quote
I see a lot of people didn't read the big ass message that came up (ON TWO DIFFERENT DAYS) and you had to "x" out of stating there was a mistake in the I$K.
So you spent money you didn't have or donated it to your corp. Now CCP is supposed to, essentially, give you and/or your corp free I$K... WOW! You really should read those big ass windows that pop-up on your screen without just "x'ing" out of them. I smell a lot of "food stampers" in here.
smh |
Otoky
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
114
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:44:00 -
[260] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:LOL CCP has FAILED HUGELY with this. Not only did they accidentally give tons of isk. But now they take away MORE THAN THEY GAVE....ROFL!!!!!! This is literally becoming a comedy show now. I am looking around for the cameras but I dont see any. Good job CCP! I gotta admit you troll better than anyone else in this game. In this industry. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3357
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:49:00 -
[261] - Quote
cSRT4 wrote:I see a lot of people didn't read the big ass message that came up (ON TWO DIFFERENT DAYS) and you had to "x" out of stating there was a mistake in the I$K.
So you spent money you didn't have or donated it to your corp. Now CCP is supposed to, essentially, give you and/or your corp free I$K... WOW! You really should read those big ass windows that pop-up on your screen without just "x'ing" out of them. I smell a lot of "food stampers" in here.
smh
I actually received my refund before this message was available. Having pre planned every bit of ISK and SP that I had, I spent it all in about 10 minutes after signing in, getting precisely what I had planned.
I had no idea CCP screwed the pooch and lied to me in their email until after my purchases were completed. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:49:00 -
[262] - Quote
gimmmme back my damn isk! |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
11
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:50:00 -
[263] - Quote
They fixed me right and proper, I'm still waiting on the respec though. |
Egotistikal
Murderz for hire
14
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:51:00 -
[264] - Quote
CCP, if you have any shred of intelligence...which i'm sure you do since you are a successful game developer. It would be completely uneconomical to not reset everyones ISK back or at least zero it out without taking assets. You may not lose the whole community over this, but if you even lose 1 player (which I guarantee it will be plenty more)....you will be losing a ton of potential AUR profits. To give up any sort of potential real life profit in order to keep players in fake money debt due to your mistake of not getting it right the first time....is uneconomical, deficient, and simply foolish. You made the mistake first which in turn caused players to do the same. No matter how many forum posts you made or ticket responses given...this is on you. Do the right thing for your company and the players. |
Guyve III
The Merc Net
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 15:54:00 -
[265] - Quote
guyve III need my isk back I was over took 20+ million from me.
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Rigor Mordis
Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack
34
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 16:13:00 -
[266] - Quote
I didn't realize that my character had more ISK than he should have after being without audio for 3 weeks.
So during that time I really didn't play much and I had not written down my ISK amount.
Well, my audio fix happened to fall on the same day as the huge CCP mistake.
Needless to say I was shocked to see my ISK cut in half today.
There should really be a daily announcement ticker. So people are supposed to check the forum EVERY SINGLE DAY?
What a joke. |
Norbit1996
The Enclave Syndicate
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 16:22:00 -
[267] - Quote
I want my isk back! I got my skill respec & recieved 277 mill (the exact same on uprising ). I bought all my skills and dropsuits & donated to my corp after this I had 170+ mill left. All of a sudden i have 269 mill taken away!? which left me -94 mill in debt. I recieved the money i donated to the corp back & have played a couple of rounds but how do you expect me to pay 33mill back, maybe in 5-10 years?? Not only that but running militia gear makes it almost impossible to earn over 200k a match... Any chance of another respec? lol |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:27:00 -
[268] - Quote
Something is very weird.
1) From what I remember, I never recieved 8mil ISK nor was I affected by the bugged loan earlier so I dont know why I lost 8mil in the first place 2) At 11:07 I gained +34,500 ISK and at 11:08 they deducted -8,412,,645 ISK. Why did CCP credit me 34,500 in "Modify ISK"?
Something is definately wrong with the system. |
Daraclore Arisan
Closed For Business
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 16:30:00 -
[269] - Quote
So are we to expect to be robbed at knife point every time you screw up CCP?
Also, why should I have to reverse my donation? After several matches I will be out of the negative, meaning that the donation was made with earned isk, why punish my ceo with extra work fixing a problem you caused?
This is a great game, don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing. It's just that you are going to drive away several people every time you do something this harsh. (And seriously, how do you miss an error that gives everybody a random isk boost?) Screw enough people over enough times, and this game is going to be one empty game. |
Norbit1996
The Enclave Syndicate
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 16:33:00 -
[270] - Quote
Guyve III wrote:guyve III need my isk back I was over took 20+ million from me.
Try 269 million buddy |
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noobsniper the 2nd
GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA
2
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:36:00 -
[271] - Quote
well i lost 1 mill that i had earned by playing the game so im kinda mad while my buddie was given 100mil that wasnt taken away so wtf ccp... |
cSRT4
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:42:00 -
[272] - Quote
Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO) |
Dizonofjuanathon 5702
Murderz for hire
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 16:43:00 -
[273] - Quote
F*(%K , yea thats right . Thats what i have to say , there is on it but one word ............. |
Lucrezia LeGrand
Verboten Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:03:00 -
[274] - Quote
cSRT4 wrote:Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO) That's true IRL but it's an easy mistake to make in a game.
For example. I just recently became active in the forums so I now know about the isk glitch but when I bought a merc pack, the second time I logged in I got some free dropsuit fits (protectorate and something else) and I thought "Oh, wow, CCP. That's really cool of you."
When I played in April, at the end of the human endurance test (which I didn't know about) I got a bunch of free items and weapons and I thought "Sweet! CCP is really nice for doing this."
And then when I was planning on deleting Zor-Magna and decided to donate what was left of her isk I noticed she had extra. So I figured it was CCP doing some other promotion.
We aren't trying to cheat the "system" we were just happy for the extra isk. Now that I have that out of the way, do I contact foxfour to let him know what I did with the isk? Where do I go? Who do I email? T-T |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
474
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 17:55:00 -
[275] - Quote
cSRT4 wrote:Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO)
The ppl who spent more than they had and spent the bugged money diserve what they got. The people who did not spend the bugged isk because they knew about it and then they lost not just the bugged isk but also the isk they should have had anyway.......and not just that but were put deep into the red because of CCPs inability to do math. They have a legitimate complaint. So basically you made yourself look like an idiot with this statement as there are a ton of ppl who had their isk completely taken away by CCP including everyhting they legitimately earned. |
Sniper436
Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:14:00 -
[276] - Quote
well I got my respec (on a character that I've not used for over a month before the respec) and saw that I had 5,000,000 ISK.. seemed about right but turns out I'm now at -1,000,000... what am I meant to do about this? there was no way to tell whether I'd been granted extra ISK or not.. very unimpressed. |
GManKilla 2898
D3LTA ACADEMY
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:17:00 -
[277] - Quote
[quote=Doc Noah]You knew with full knowledge that the sudden ISK boost was illegitimate and yet you took advantage of it while looking the other way. You reap what you sow.
And technically you didnt lose anything, you still got equipment/gear you paid for with your own money. The money you spent on corp still goes to your corp, if you want you can ask for it back.
really i though they sold my assests so i specked in and stocked on dropships n tanks that wont last tell i get back positive truly it not my fault i play a game and get stuff i cant use nor that i though the respec was like before |
cSRT4
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:21:00 -
[278] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:cSRT4 wrote:Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO) The ppl who spent more than they had and spent the bugged money diserve what they got. The people who did not spend the bugged isk because they knew about it and then they lost not just the bugged isk but also the isk they should have had anyway.......and not just that but were put deep into the red because of CCPs inability to do math. They have a legitimate complaint. So basically you made yourself look like an idiot with this statement as there are a ton of ppl who had their isk completely taken away by CCP including everyhting they legitimately earned.
QQ. Sounds like you need a tissue (and an accountant). Boohoo for you. ROFLMAO AT YOU!!! HAHAHAHAHA |
Senator Snipe
Nova Tech Marines Hephaestus Forge Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 18:25:00 -
[279] - Quote
I need my isk back because i can't use anything. I'm all out. Using just prologue stuff now. |
v3k3v
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
34
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 18:42:00 -
[280] - Quote
Yea this is just stupid. My wallet doesnt even go back far enough to look at the records. Its a game.. let us just have fun. Im at negative or -5mil and cant even buy a advanced basic medium suit for fun after putting SP into Minmatar med 3.
I was kinda happy playing this game just sent sent you $100 for the elite package as a way of saying thanks..... then you take 58mil isk and im at negative 5mil. Its pointless and pathetic. |
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yoshi kat
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:50:00 -
[281] - Quote
minus 42 million god damnit what the ****. give me bk my isk **** why i gotta pay for your god damn mistakes *************************** think think i mite leave this game and find a new one that dont make stupid mistakes minus 42.961.476 mil isk. im not happy at all |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
502
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:00:00 -
[282] - Quote
This response just upset me, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82780&find=unread
I have to say [CCP]Frame wording used about the whole Isk is a bit upsetting to say the least. "ISK laundering" "punitive actions" entirely the wrong wording to use. This was CCP mistake not the players, even if a small fraction technically abused it and most knew something was up. You should not be attacking your player base for your mistakes.
This hurts your new players, 500k double to 1 mill, they could have easily spent that and not known. Not everyone reads these forums and should have been given some thought before all this. It took 2 days? no notification? the vets easily knew something was up but I feel your shooting yourselves in the foot when things like this role around. Every time you fail to communicate this turns into a PR nightmare, fix it and fix it quickly.
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yoshi kat
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:11:00 -
[283] - Quote
yoshi kat wrote:minus 42 million god damnit what the ****. give me bk my isk **** why i gotta pay for your god damn mistakes *************************** think think i mite leave this game and find a new one that dont make stupid mistakes minus 42.961.476 mil isk. im not happy at all
p.s at least give me back my asset money |
yoshi kat
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 19:12:00 -
[284] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:cSRT4 wrote:Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO) The ppl who spent more than they had and spent the bugged money diserve what they got. The people who did not spend the bugged isk because they knew about it and then they lost not just the bugged isk but also the isk they should have had anyway.......and not just that but were put deep into the red because of CCPs inability to do math. They have a legitimate complaint. So basically you made yourself look like an idiot with this statement as there are a ton of ppl who had their isk completely taken away by CCP including everyhting they legitimately earned.
this ant real life its a game
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
67
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:52:00 -
[285] - Quote
bummer... was really hoping to get my respec before they took this isk back... i had intended to put myself negative just to make myself not buy stupid and useless shinies that i dont need to... |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
474
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 19:52:00 -
[286] - Quote
cSRT4 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:cSRT4 wrote:Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO) The ppl who spent more than they had and spent the bugged money diserve what they got. The people who did not spend the bugged isk because they knew about it and then they lost not just the bugged isk but also the isk they should have had anyway.......and not just that but were put deep into the red because of CCPs inability to do math. They have a legitimate complaint. So basically you made yourself look like an idiot with this statement as there are a ton of ppl who had their isk completely taken away by CCP including everyhting they legitimately earned. QQ. Sounds like you need a tissue (and an accountant). Boohoo for you. ROFLMAO AT YOU!!! HAHAHAHAHA
Your apparent lack of reading comprehension is astounding. Let me make this clearer. CCP took more money from alot of people then they accidentally gave with the bugged isk. The highest amount I have heard so far is CCP taking an additional 500 million isk over what they accidentally gave in the bug. This amount woudl make almost anyone go isk negative. Personally I am fine and probably have better isk handling mangement than you do....however I also have not had a chance to see if CCP has actually taken away more isk than what I was given so it remains to be seen if CCP took additonal millions from me. |
Guyve III
The Merc Net
2
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 20:05:00 -
[287] - Quote
Guyve III wrote:guyve III need my isk back I was over took 20+ million from me.
and now delete my post about in tech support over the issue |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
67
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 20:08:00 -
[288] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:cSRT4 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:cSRT4 wrote:Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO) The ppl who spent more than they had and spent the bugged money diserve what they got. The people who did not spend the bugged isk because they knew about it and then they lost not just the bugged isk but also the isk they should have had anyway.......and not just that but were put deep into the red because of CCPs inability to do math. They have a legitimate complaint. So basically you made yourself look like an idiot with this statement as there are a ton of ppl who had their isk completely taken away by CCP including everyhting they legitimately earned. QQ. Sounds like you need a tissue (and an accountant). Boohoo for you. ROFLMAO AT YOU!!! HAHAHAHAHA Your apparent lack of reading comprehension is astounding. Let me make this clearer. CCP took more money from alot of people then they accidentally gave with the bugged isk. The highest amount I have heard so far is CCP taking an additional 500 million isk over what they accidentally gave in the bug. This amount woudl make almost anyone go isk negative. Personally I am fine and probably have better isk handling mangement than you do....however I also have not had a chance to see if CCP has actually taken away more isk than what I was given so it remains to be seen if CCP took additonal millions from me.
i see 2x modify isk entries in my wallet, one that counter acted the hotfix on the 28th, for + 5.535.400ISK and the second one to correct the downtime error on the 28th of -161.784.805ISK. these numbers are accurate to within a reasonable doubt, and logged on personal documentation of how much isk i shouldnt spend.
for those saying they thought this was an 'event' ... shame on you... they havent given isk as a reward to this degree at all that i am aware of. it always comes as items or equipment that you have to assign at login screen. the only time anybody should have gotten this much isk was when they did the market buyback with uprising launch, but common sense dictated that since i STILL had all my assets, they obviously didnt do a market buy back and the isk was in error. checked the wallet and it reflected no gains, also another red flag.
anyone arguing that they deserved this isk, or that CCP should bite the bullet on this *FEATURE* is cancer on this community. a game where death is supposed to have meaning, and you want to do away with that for the sake of your protospam. why dont you just petition for them to make PROTO BPOs and have them cost 48ISK each so that everyone can afford them? then everyone everywhere will be full proto all the time and the wallet value will continue to be what you want, completely irrelevant to the game.
as i had stated, i had planed to use my erroneous isk, but i also planned to accept and even utilize the penalties in a fashion i felt to be beneficial for my own playstyle. preventing me from throwing isk away in silly fashions for a nice long while. i would have spent future isk on exclusively what i could use now, and would force my core skills(both SP and player) to improve rather than trying to over expand. |
DARK WOLF 1
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:29:00 -
[289] - Quote
yoshi kat wrote:minus 42 million god damnit what the ****. give me bk my isk **** why i gotta pay for your god damn mistakes *************************** think think i mite leave this game and find a new one that dont make stupid mistakes minus 42.961.476 mil isk. im not happy at all minus 18.000.000 mil isk why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
45
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:50:00 -
[290] - Quote
How did you make 18,000,000,000,000 ISK?!?!!? |
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Delow22
G.U.T.Z Alpha Wolf Pack
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 21:11:00 -
[291] - Quote
I understand where those are coming from when they say "you spent isk that wasn't yours." My question is how can you know the difference when before you get the respec you have only a few mill isk,then when you get the respec you have a lot more isk right?how is that our fault? theres no way for us to be able to tell how much isk we were getting from the respec in order to do the math to see for ourselves that somethings wrong here. were not to blame for this,therefore we shouldnt be punished for it.CCP get your stuff together soon or a lot of people will be quitting your game..theres no profit to be made if no ones on!! |
Sleever 44
The Red Guards EoN.
4
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:21:00 -
[292] - Quote
all i know is this im not in the red by a far shot!!! but i did recieve 2 in game messages saying to reset in game client to resolve the issue, i did what i was told to do and the isk balance reamained the same. I then figured that it was resolved and that it must have been correct,,,so i spent a little more. I logg on today to see a large amount of isk has been takin....gues my point is dont say its been fixed and that if you reset your game that this will resolve any further problems down the road, then 2 days later take isk from people and not expect negative feed back. |
Cannibus Lecktor
Stoned Kloned Killers
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 21:33:00 -
[293] - Quote
I do believe CCP needs to get their SH & IT and put it together.. **** poor communication on their part is what this all boils down to.. These people took over 37 mil from our corp CEO that he wasnt given. Battlefield 4 is looking like a better option at this point, just hafta wait for it.. At least they know how to properly develop an MMO.. |
N7 STEVE
D3LTA ACADEMY
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 22:04:00 -
[294] - Quote
So because of a mistake you guys did WE are getting punished for it? That's just plain stupid. Because of the mistake YOU guys made I OWE 3 million ISK. & I can't restock anything because of this ISK I OWE. How in the hell I'm I suppose to get 3 million ISK from???!! YOU guys seriously need to fix this. I have 2 million skill points on this character and I'm NOT planning on making a new one and staring all over again. so FIX this PlEASE! |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
72
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 22:07:00 -
[295] - Quote
i nthink that what has been a mis-management of informations has been that there are almost no in game notifications of wtf is going on...
'most' EVE Online players have a computer of somesort... i hope... and can quickly and easily access the forums, or the eve main page, and quickly figure things out for themselves when information is provided...
contrarily, not all DUST mercs have convenient access to a computer, and the only access some have to the forums, or dev blogs is by logging out of DUST to use the ps3 browser, or tab to the second page on the login screen rather than just spam the X Button to get to the murdering...
some sort of message board needs to be in game, maybe not use the mail system, CPP accounts will probably start spamming, but something that players can access the 'important' information like wtf has been going on since the 28th at downtime.
not to mention better transparency on things like the respec batches would prevent a lot of us blowing up forums and petition systems because we have no idea whats going on. |
cSRT4
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
6
|
Posted - 2013.05.30 22:37:00 -
[296] - Quote
Look crybabies, they took OVER 281 MILLION I$K from me last night. I ain't cryin. Why? Cuz I knew it was a mistake. The big ass pop-up window (IN GAME, not the forums) 2 days in a row told me so. I don't try hard and didn't start when I saw this magical ISK appear. You all had to know something was up. Those that got a Skill Reset the same day, you I will excuse. The ones that didn't get the ISK fix AND the Skill Reset the same day, sorry Charlie. :sniffles :sniffles
However, if CCP is reading this post, you better not give these clowns back any ISK. If you do, I want my 280 million ISK and another of my Corp-mates wants his 240 million ISK back too. We're both still positive. Wayyyy positive but if you give the clowns back ISK, we want ours too. You are gonna be opening a big ol' can o' worms if you give anybody back any ISK.
STILL ROFLMMFAO |
Henry-the-8th
Commando Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:48:00 -
[297] - Quote
Putting people into a negative balance will just make people lose interest in the game. I'm negative 5 million ISK, which is like 25-30 AmbushGÇÖs to get back to positive, but for these people who have been set to negative 100 million+ is ridiculous and those are the people who are more likely to stop playing.
Ok, I get your reasoning behind taking ISK away from people but maybe going about setting to negative was very harsh and setting the mercs in questionGÇÖs wallets to ZERO ISK may of been a better decision; this would have also stopped a lot of the hate, tears and mostly likely a lot of people quitting. Keep up the good work CCP
P.S. When is my Fighter Bomber going to be released? |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:02:00 -
[298] - Quote
Henry-the-8th wrote:Ok, I get your reasoning behind taking ISK away from people but maybe going about setting to negative was very harsh and setting the mercs in questionGÇÖs wallets to ZERO ISK may of been a better decision; this would have also stopped a lot of the hate, tears and mostly likely a lot of people quitting. Keep up the good work CCP
Except some people spent/donated their entire savings meaning CCP could only get back 0 ISK. What they did was fair. Theres still the option to petition an asset reversal which is more than generous considering those who quickly spent their money, did so in greed. |
Henry-the-8th
Commando Perkone Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 00:10:00 -
[299] - Quote
Doc Noah wrote:Henry-the-8th wrote:Ok, I get your reasoning behind taking ISK away from people but maybe going about setting to negative was very harsh and setting the mercs in questionGÇÖs wallets to ZERO ISK may of been a better decision; this would have also stopped a lot of the hate, tears and mostly likely a lot of people quitting. Keep up the good work CCP Except some people spent/donated their entire savings meaning CCP could only get back 0 ISK. What they did was fair. Theres still the option to petition an asset reversal which is more than generous considering those who quickly spent their money, did so in greed.
Ok for those people then I totally agreement with CCP, they obviously knew about the bug and tried to exploit it.
I'm generally talking about some of the people that generally did not know about what was going on and may of bought 100 units of Duvolle TAC (7 million right there) and so on. |
UnrealKills
The dyst0pian Corporation
1
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 00:10:00 -
[300] - Quote
why they would give us a respec of skill points and not isk makes no sense at all. here take your millions of sp and you can't even afford the books to unlock things. i even lost the isk i had before respec. thank ccp sure you will lose alot of players over this matter! you all made a mistake and now we have to suffer from it. i think you should at least put those of us who got respects back to even instead of negative. you gave no warning that respect would not include isk. and everyone else if you have this problem or agree, please speak up . they cant fix issues and keep loyal people without us letting them know our feedback and then fixing the problem!
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1533
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 00:30:00 -
[301] - Quote
cSRT4 wrote:Look crybabies, they took OVER 281 MILLION I$K from me last night. I ain't cryin. Why? Cuz I knew it was a mistake. Some people lost more than what they gained from the mistake in the first place. Stop talking, you sound like an idiot.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1535
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 00:32:00 -
[302] - Quote
N7 STEVE wrote:So because of a mistake you guys did WE are getting punished for it? That's just plain stupid. Because of the mistake YOU guys made I OWE 3 million ISK. & I can't restock anything because of this ISK I OWE. How in the hell I'm I suppose to get 3 million ISK from???!! YOU guys seriously need to fix this. I have 2 million skill points on this character and I'm NOT planning on making a new one and staring all over again. so FIX this PlEASE! Maybe you shouldn't have spent it all?
The ISK should still be there in the form of assets, you lost them? tough luck.
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D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
39
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:55:00 -
[303] - Quote
Ryder Azorria wrote:D legendary hero wrote:if someone dumps 5,000 in your bank account, and you spend the money, its not really your fault. you dnt know where it came from. its the banks issue they made a mistake. what benefit do you as the customer get for calling it in?
if its a named check, or someones wallet you find on the ground, or in an office, etc then ok there are measures you can take to return it however, if by someone elses error you encounter money in your personal bank account it is yours. they should have "carried the 1" Wow, you are so completely wrong I'm legitimately not sure whether or not you were actually being serious.
the point is someone puts money in your personal account. they accessed your account without permission and give you money that you did not ask for... if you spend a portion of it, whos fault is it? should you as the customer have to pay back the back for their error?
if you steal money, or if you know who the owner is then you must return it, or turn yourself in that is morally wrong. but, if some breaks into your house, or the handyman goes into your bedroom and stashes $300, and you dnt know. is it your fault for spending money that you found in your own home? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
73
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:09:00 -
[304] - Quote
D legendary hero, your examples sound like what i remember of the plot for the movie Dumb and Dumber...
stop acting like you deserved the isk that didnt belong in the game. |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
59
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:30:00 -
[305] - Quote
I am semi-freaking out about what I'm going to find when I can actually log into the game in a couple days (been out of town for a week, so missed the entire respec and isk issues this week). Can't wait. |
musterk sainsk
Guardia Imperial
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:42:00 -
[306] - Quote
So when am i expecting my skill respec to be done because i apply 2 days ago.. And stil nothing well at least my isk problem got solve but i need the skill point i screw up on the beggining so need to do it right now |
Bonghitz
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:10:00 -
[307] - Quote
Your screw ups are not our responsibility its that simple. You cant just call people out for spending money thats in their wallet so why should they have to suffer over your **** ups. You and this game are making less sense every day |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
73
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:32:00 -
[308] - Quote
musterk sainsk wrote:So when am i expecting my skill respec to be done because i apply 2 days ago.. And stil nothing well at least my isk problem got solve but i need the skill point i screw up on the beggining so need to do it right now
im still waiting for the second batch of respecs... i filed mine 16 days ago... patience... they will announce when respecs will happen in a forum post before its respective downtime.
though these forum posts only come out like 2 hours before downtime... and since they hit early morning for american TZs, most people probably wont see it until after school/work.
CCP Frames post about the 30ths downtime came just over an hour before DT... so there is little to no headsup. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83185&find=unread
CCP Frames post about the 28ths downtime came a bit earlier, and as you see, they mentioned the respec batch getting processed. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82431&find=unread
and with the templar event hitting tommorow morning, chances are low that respecs will get processed with all of the templar characters getting spawned... and thatll be running all weekend, which idk if they actually 'work' on weekends, i dont know CCP's schedules, but i dont think they do anything major but a customer service staff...
then monday or tuesday will be spent processing the weekends event.
my guess is probably not until wednesday or later for our respecs... ive already been waiting 2+ weeks, whats 1 more... |
SHAKA DA SHOCKAH
the mercenaries alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:53:00 -
[309] - Quote
HEY GUYS, NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT WHATS GOING ON PER SE, I BARELY EVEN NOTICED IT WAS AN ERROR, ITS NOT REALLY IN THE INSTRUCTIONS TO CHECK THE FORUMS, A POP UP WARNING SYSTEM WOULD BE NICE.
ANYWAYS I DID SPEND ALOT OF MONEY, BUT GEARING UP ON ABOVE AVERAGE BASICS, NOTHING LIKE YOU WOULD TWINK A CHARACTER IN OTHER MMORPGS.
IM CURRENTLY AT -2.7 MIL ISK AS OF THIS POST. IT SUCKS BUT THEN AGAIN, THE GAME IS EVEN STEVENS, MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD TAKE AN ECONOMICS CLASS AND STOP BICKERING ABOUT A FREE TO PLAY GAME.
IF YOU DO A DECENT JOB AND STILL DIE HALF THE TIME YOU WILL GET 80 TO 120K A BATTLE
MAYBE STEP YOUR GAME UP AND IF YOU CAN GET 80 KILLS WITH 0 DEATHS YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MONEY BACK IN NO TIME.
I MIGHT NOTE THAT ON THE NIGHT THIS ERROR OCCURED I THINK I LOGGED ONTO A NEWER CHARACTER BUT BASICALLY SAYING, MY OTHER TWO CHARACTERS WERENT EFFECTED.
AGAIN IM NOT COMPLAINING, GREAT GAME THAT IM GLAD I DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK CCP. EVERYONE ELSE BE MATURE AND LEARN YOU DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF ACTIONS VERSUS CONSEQUENCES. YOU CAN BICKER ALL YOU WANT BUT, IN OUR UTOPIAN BRAVE NEW WORLD, ITS JUST ANOTHER "REPORT" TO BE FILED AWAY AND FORGOTTEN.
AGAIN I SAY I COME IN PEACE, LETS HEAR WHAT A GUY LIKE CHICAGOCUBS4EVER HAS TO SAY.
CATCH ME IN GAME SWERVIN IN MY BALOCH, HOLLA! :) |
Bling Blaine
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.05.31 04:17:00 -
[310] - Quote
If I learned anything about Eve it is........
Take and Gank everything you can get your hands on. Am I right?
So why are mercs punished for legally ganking CCP?
I dont think when "that dude" robbed Tritan ind. he got his ganked isk magically deducted from his account. No because he ganked it, like we did to CCP. I think CCP was more butthurt that they got ganked for billions of isk on their own fault. Hurts doesn't it CCP? So why take ganked isk from us? When they fukd up.
I really dont care either way but it sounds like a gank that was renegged, due to dev error. |
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Mark Crusader
Sons of Kharvash
10
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Posted - 2013.05.31 04:17:00 -
[311] - Quote
FYI
I have a friend who hasn't played Dust in weeks. Today he logged in and had negative Isk. According to his wallet, yesterday CCP removed 3M Isk placing him in the negative.
Your DB scripts are wack, CCP. |
Jade Tech
Nox Aeterna Security
6
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:33:00 -
[312] - Quote
ARE THE SECOND BATCH OF SKILL RESPECS GOING OUT SOON?!! I STILL HAVEN"T GOTTEN MINE. |
World ASSASSIN
Nova Tech Marines Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:42:00 -
[313] - Quote
DarkMaximos wrote:Lowkiie wrote:You guys are f*cking assholes CCP, we always have to pay for your f*ckin' mistakes and bugs. You could have just set those wallets to zero. I've lost AUR because of your buggy, lageriffic game and yet I have to deal with it. My REAL F*CKING MONEY that you guys basically f*cking stole and I have not said one word. Well now ya got me pissed CCP -27mill now. Sick of this free to play bullsh*t. Same as every other mmo dev... If atleast the reviving isn't fixed soon than I f*cking quit. Saying like that won't help you get your isks or aur back. Sorry.
I agree they have stolen alot of aurum due to bugs and crap. Only way to get them to do anything about it is to go directly to psn |
SHAKA DA SHOCKAH
the mercenaries alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:07:00 -
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yea after 30 to 40 battles ill be out of debt, even if i lose the battle, stop whining and start playing. You need to be honest and have integrity. the only solution is to do a roll back to the 27th the repatch. |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
462
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:36:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote:ARE THE SECOND BATCH OF SKILL RESPECS GOING OUT SOON?!! I STILL HAVEN"T GOTTEN MINE.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1564
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:42:00 -
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World ASSASSIN wrote:DarkMaximos wrote:Lowkiie wrote:You guys are f*cking assholes CCP, we always have to pay for your f*ckin' mistakes and bugs. You could have just set those wallets to zero. I've lost AUR because of your buggy, lageriffic game and yet I have to deal with it. My REAL F*CKING MONEY that you guys basically f*cking stole and I have not said one word. Well now ya got me pissed CCP -27mill now. Sick of this free to play bullsh*t. Same as every other mmo dev... If atleast the reviving isn't fixed soon than I f*cking quit. Saying like that won't help you get your isks or aur back. Sorry. I agree they have stolen alot of aurum due to bugs and crap. Only way to get them to do anything about it is to go directly to psn AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You could just file a petition...dumbass. |
Brutimus Naycha
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
3
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:55:00 -
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It costs millions of SP and ISK to spec into skills. Surely the refund we all got that seemed inflated was down to a refund from the ISK used to previously purchase skill books and the like?. I'm down to 6 million ISK right now, I can live with it... but it seems harsh as I don't feel I spent much more than I had to spend in the first place regardless of the CCP induced inflation.
You can't refund the ISK used for skill-books when dishing out a respec and then take it away again when everyone has then fully respec'd. I guess for now I'll just burn up every fit I have and save up all the ISK I can until I'm back near 20+ mill which is usually all I really need. |
Kromyx
D3LTA ACADEMY
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 07:21:00 -
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At first i thought the ISK that i received was in exchange for the SP that wasn-¦t given in the battles a couple days ago, now i have -24 million isk and the SP its still the same, if CCP wrote that isk was given by mistake and they are taking it back they should return the sp that was not given rightly for two days. |
Bonghitz
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 10:59:00 -
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Man this character -37mill not my main thankfully. Im not going to use him again obviously but still jesus CCP |
Shiney Berbles
Nephilim Initiative
6
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:24:00 -
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SHAKA DA SHOCKAH wrote:yea after 30 to 40 battles ill be out of debt, even if i lose the battle, stop whining and start playing. You need to be honest and have integrity. the only solution is to do a roll back to the 27th the repatch.
Well said, there is not a lot of positive posts on here. Mostly I think because people made a mistake and spent a hand out that they know was going to be recuperated. Now that they have to pay for that mistake they gripe and complain. And I am not talking about the accounts that have lost aurum or gone negative without spending the extra isk that was credited to the accounts. I have seen a few posts, but would like to reiterate
If you have lost real money or negative a crazy amount of isk (without spending the extra isk) then petition CCP. If you spent all that extra isk and now are negative, look at it as a loan... done you have no other argument. I agree CCP made a mistake, but if you really want this game to succeed then you should understand how inflation can destroy the the game.
'I love being a merc, I get paid to kill stuff' - said one awesome person. |
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Takane814
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:02:00 -
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At least they brought negative isk users to 0 isk now |
Shiney Berbles
Nephilim Initiative
6
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:02:00 -
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Takane814 wrote:At least they brought negative isk users to 0 isk now
That tells me that the bug was so in depth it was just easier the clear all the isk issues with one fix. |
God Anpu TheImmortal
KiLo.
4
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:51:00 -
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It's really hilarious how quick u guys are to try and fix an in game currency but fail to try and fix real issues within the game. Overpowered AR'S and range invisible walls countless crashes and glitching. Since the game is no longer in beta I have had moreproblems than ever. Yet u claimed to have fixed them. Froze at loading screens. It's getting to the point were the game is becoming unbearable to even attempt to play. Were the was a joy to playing this game now becomes do I even want to waste time trying to even play. How much risk and AURUM have people lost do to problems u guys said u have fixed and u have the nerve to want to fix this problem first. This game has so much potential but CCP U GUYS are failing horribly. |
thejoker945
Gallant Dogma Lokun Listamenn
5
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:56:00 -
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All I know is that if the folks who abused the isk influx are not put back to negative or assets taken I will be done with this game. Broken game mechanics are one thing letting people abuse the system w/o penalty is a whole other animal |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
212
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:38:00 -
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