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SuperKing BigNuts
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:27:00 -
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well, the sudden appearance of 100m isk that you didnt earn, and subsequently spent isnt really punishment, you simply wont be able to buy anything else until you can get back to a positive balance.
i have had experience with negative wallet balance before, it can be frustrating, but not the end of the world, especially in a case such as this where you admitted to having spent it.
if you were to have logged in and your wallet was to be negative due to their error, you would rage at them and demand a reimbursement to get back to positive... yet expect to be able to spend the excessive unearned isk as if it were your own.
earn the isk you have spent to get back positive seems fair to me. but i also had 153m before the *feature* was released, and dont see how i could have spent the additional 160m ontop of that to end up negative anyways |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 14:52:00 -
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or you could donate 100m to your corp and earn back the isk you spent on your own. is much easier for them to make an individual go negative than attempt to track what isk went where.
if being negative is going to be a problem for you katius, you might want to ask your corp directors/ceo to return the isk, im sure they have records of the transaction |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:19:00 -
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put isk into my wallet, and ill send it back TRIPLED! *legit* #notascam
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:36:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:People who go in the negative over this should have their characters deleted for being greedy bastards
'A' for effort in your attempt to be a bitter vet
so ive had a negative wallet before, my accounts should probably be deleted too. id give details as to why but ill just go /wrists my characters and biomass the lot of them now for being bad at life |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:42:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:I posted this in the other thread as well, but wanted to post here as well, just in case it matters.
Starting to think I wished I'd found this thread BEFORE I spent my SP and ISK this morning.
However, I did ask for a Respec and I got that Respec and had just over 67 Mil ISK afterwards. Although, I still had all my suits and equipment on those suits. In fact, the fitting screen just showed that I was lacking the skills to wear the suit.
going negative on your wallet is a nothing todo. the only thing that happens is you cant buy anything NEW until you get back to positive. thank god that theres militia suits and bpos you can use, cause its less fun in EVE where any ship that can make you the money fast enough to get positive is generally not 'cheap' when you cant buy another until you get back to the positives.
as for the SP, i assume you cant train new skills until you get back to positive as well. but i doubt that theyll be revoking levels. think of it as an alternative for aurum while you grind your way back to the land of the positives
IRuby Heart wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:Its only fair that we have to give the isk back. but thats just my op onion. Yeah give it back fine. But reset everyone's wallet back to pre-downtime values. Give back the ISK but end up in negative wallet balance because of a Developer mishap? You're turning a bad situation into a nightmare.
and reseting the wallets to pre downtime still leaves the individuals assets unless they do a FULL reset to pre-downtime, which likely not as simple as saying someone is negative on their wallet. |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 15:56:00 -
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i put all my isk into corp wallet, then was reminded about the negative wallet aspect... then i got my money back from corp.
anyone who managed to go negative better hope they bought useful things that they can use properly, or be real comfortable in militia gear.
it doesnt mean they wont be able to play |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:08:00 -
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and what happens if im still at 309/153m isk? and is there by any chance any details as to why some people seemed to have been arbitrarily skipped for respec? ive gotten reports that its not simply on a first come, first serve basis, and cant determine if alphabetical was the justification |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:26:00 -
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jamstar saa187 wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:well, the sudden appearance of 100m isk that you didnt earn, and subsequently spent isnt really punishment, you simply wont be able to buy anything else until you can get back to a positive balance.
i have had experience with negative wallet balance before, it can be frustrating, but not the end of the world, especially in a case such as this where you admitted to having spent it.
if you were to have logged in and your wallet was to be negative due to their error, you would rage at them and demand a reimbursement to get back to positive... yet expect to be able to spend the excessive unearned isk as if it were your own.
earn the isk you have spent to get back positive seems fair to me. but i also had 153m before the *feature* was released, and dont see how i could have spent the additional 160m ontop of that to end up negative anyways this sounds dangerously like logic to me............. Mods, i think we need to investigate this one, we cant have anything approaching logic (and fairness) on the forum!
F**K YOU!
better?
common sense... the uncommon virtue...
i heard common sense is a PERMA-BAN EULA violation...
and as far as f**k ups go, if you spent more than you had earned during this respec, though it is CCPs fault you had too much ISK on hand, it is not CCPs fault you spent too much ISK.
CCP may have made a s**t sandwich this time round, but its your fault for taking a bite, deal with it. |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:41:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Oh shut up, you'll get to keep whatever you purchased, or did you think they would just hand out ISK?  It's your own fault if you spent more than you originally had. Didn't spend anything ISK or SP. . So your one of those people who think well I didn't get that so I must not have it, good for you, but there are people who have no idea what SP or ISK they might have and spent it like most lottery winners, it is not their fault they are instantly rich and the only form of communication is a internet forum. We did get in game message warning us about more changes, that should have been enough for most people to not rush in and blow all their ISK right away. If people are to lazy to check the forum, which they had to do to get a respec in the first place, then that's there problem. And I don't see how this is a punishment. I'm the guy that logged in 1 minute after that message appeared. Now what? Also, in case you missed it. People who did not even ask for a respec got the ISK Boost. So what then?
i was the guy who logged in 4 hours before the message... still didnt impact me negatively...
if you are capable of maintaining a positive income flow, your debt for spending should be dealt with quick and painless. if your NOT capable of maintaining a positive income flow, well welcome to new eden, enjoy your learning cliff |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:59:00 -
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still sitting at 309,914,906 ISK of my latest battle payout balance of 153,665,501
so am i correct in assuming that after the hot fix and what seems to be the FML Lottery Jackpot of being arbitrarily skipped for respec at downtime, that this is compensation for my pain and suffering?
*only counted the battlepayouts because the rest were donations to/from my corporation for a total of 315m both directions* |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:19:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed. Should players have any issues after restarting their game client then please file a support ticket at the link below: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets[words words words] [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
so am i to believe that ALL respecs should have gone through?
cause i have not received my respec... i filed a petition at 12:43 (approx 30 mins after downtime) trying to seek clarification as to why i had not received respec, and was told i was to be included in the next one...
if all respecs are supposed to be done with that hotfix, what should i do in my current situation... |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:32:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I put a ticket in under incomplete skill respec and just received the same reply as from when i put my skill respec ticket in.
i got a REAL GM response from my petition that was filled approx 30mins after downtime ended...
my petition was titled 'skill respec?' so you might want to slap a reply onto there to make sure someones actually seen it and given you a response to the issue rather than let your petition get filed into the 'automated' bin |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:41:00 -
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first come first served? my buddy who got processed on or around the same day, the 17th, as mine, got his respec... people in local been saying they filed last week, 20th, and 21st and got theirs... i filed my respec request the 14th, received an automated response from you on the 17th stating i was flagged... so your forum post stating "Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points" is either misleading as i was told i was flagged for a respec, but not told what batch i would be a part of, and can find no semblance of a pattern for determining from the information i have been given...
the hot fix also has me confused as it reduced my isk overage from 161,784,805(315,450,306-153,665,501) to 156,249,405(309,914,906-153,665,501) and i read the popup briefly about somethin with the errors with SP/ISK overages being fixed, hoping i might get the respec then, but even if im slated for tommorow or laters batch of respecs, the isk overage didnt get fixed, which is also mentioned in almost every petition message ive filed today
upon logging in after downtime, i saw i didnt have the respec, and my corpmate advised reloading the game, so i did, i got the message about the hotfix to reload the game a few minuts after the patch hit, and rebooted my ps3 entirely. so i am not trying to be annoying here, but the problem has persisted |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:59:00 -
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yeah, i had hoped it might have been scheduled for the hotfix that i had missed my respec in error, but that is something that will be fixed whenever my batch comes up.
as for the excessive ISK that still persists, what of that? or is that also still a work in progress? |
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:37:00 -
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Saniya Chandarr wrote:oh this is hilarious... I am going to need to set up 30d training queues in EVE just to be sure they dont run out when CCP makes a mess of the odyssey deployment like they made a mess of this...
ive done this for the last 4 or 5 EVE expansions... started on skills like marauders 5, gall drone spec5, freighters 5, or capital skill 5s and left them there after expansions just in case something goes south |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 00:48:00 -
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Senator Snipe wrote:JONAHBENHUR wrote:Got my respec spent the skills got shorted over a million skill points and now can't run any suits I ran yesterday so had to buy all new gear and now your going to try to puts us into the negative what the fruit? Did eve launch with this many problems?
LOOOOOL what the fruit. i am laughing so hard right now lol. But i really hope i get my sp back cus i requested for a respec :| Anyway, how did others got their respec and i didn't?
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Posted - 2013.05.29 01:18:00 -
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Khamelaya wrote:GM Grave wrote:As detailed previously, skill respecs requests will be released in batches based on first come first served. However if you received a response from us confirming receipt of your request you will receive a skill respec in the coming days.
If you have not received a response confirming receipt with 72 hours of filing a petition then please let us know. GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed. Mixed messages much? In one post you say they everyone who registered for a respec should have it by now, then you say that some will receive it in the coming days. I registered for a respec but have not received it yet, I also received an extra 80 million isK (approx). The client restart had no effect. Still have all my old skills, still have too much ISK. Should I be submitting a ticked or should I be waiting for a later batch of respecs?
if your petition got an automated response stating you were flagged, you will be in a later batch of respecs coming between now and sometime after the 31st. i posted my petition 2 weeks ago, 14/05/2013, and gm grave responded that i somehow got merged off into another batch than the first one thismorning during some arbitrary cutoff of batches.
not alphabetical, not by first come first served, just miraculous FML lottery jackpot that i got to one of the few, the proud, individuals who flagged on the 17th to not get in on the first wave respec. it wouldnt have been annoying if they could have stated that it was a sensible reason, either date or alphabetical, or SOMETHING, beyond the effective 'oh we dont know what to tell you, tough luck'
they havent given any sort of information on what 'future batch' implies, if i was to get a respec at the hotfix(confirmed not the case), or if i will get a respec tommorow, or not till with the last batch of respecs processed on the 31st before downtime.
i understand that keeping an updated list of EVERY individual to be respecd is a bit silly, but if theyd at least make some sort of release with their INTENTIONS instead of leaving us in the dark, the whole situation would be a lot less frustrating with a justification. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 02:15:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:843-Vika wrote:basically its like this, ccp messed up and gave us isk that we were not supposed to get, so they want to fix that and take it away from us which is in there every right to do but to be honest its messed up to take it back.
This is to CCP.
its not like you messed up and gave us an abundence of Aur(which costs real money) you gave us a ton of isk which is generated in game and does not cost anyone anything at all. by letting us keep the extra isk will not cost your company a single cent at all, all it will do is keep your player base extremely happy and maybe generate more players that will spend real money on AUR.
people remember that anything to do with isk cost everyone absolutly nothing. it costs a player nothing and it costs CCP nothing to let us keep it. but it will cost ccp money on the time that it takes their devs to fix this whole problem, because it is taking time aways from the important stuff the devs need to be working on like the lag issues in pc battles as well as the stupid spots you get stuck on terrane and the stupid range and damage on the tac ars.
CCP let us keep this isk and spend the time fixing the things that are making the game bad, you have a great game if all the bugs could be worked out of it. this somes up my feeling everyone should like this post
that post is riddled with ignorance.
i dont want people having an extra 100m isk, i have been waiting for the proto bears and tank spammers to run out of isk so that the game stops being a battle of whos got more proto. i remember when it was a big deal to drop a proto suit in a match, and you usually didnt spam them unless you were REALLY good with them.... now everyone and their brother spams their shiniest proto suits like its the cool thing to do. when you came across the proto corps out there, you knew you were going down, but you knew you were gonna punch a hole in their wallet if you could get even just a couple kills...
with this influx of random isk, it takes the risk vs reward away, its no fun grinding down someones wallet match after match if you know the 5x 3m isk tanks you destroyed isnt going to stop them from spamming the same tank loadout another 20+ times...
a game where death has meaning... it loses the edge if you dont have to work to replace the losses... |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:06:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:I just don't understand. When we (corp) logged on and noticed that we had excess funds we
went through our assets, skills, the marketplace etc. to see what had changed. We couldn't
find anything and figured there's an issue. So we just let the isk sit. It took us two or three
minutes to go through everything. How hard is that? Now people are complaining because
they tried living beyond their means with money they didn't have? I just don't understand.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there an economist on staff at CCP? And isn't there a plan
to intigrate the Eve and Dust economies? How would that excess isk impact that move?
Especially since that move doesn't happen without them having an accurate picture of how
the Dust economy works. A little bit of forward thinking goes a long way. If we want the two
economies merged as soon as possible we shouldn't have a problem with CCP taking the isk back.
My 0.02 isk.
Dr Eyjoh or something i believe is the staff economist, and i think there was a second one, at least for a while, may have downsized the second one with the company restructure a few years back... but as far as i am aware, the senior economist should still be there.
and you havent spent enough time in Jita... its a .01 isk game...
but people attempted to exploit the mechanics, i admit to trying it. but when CCP comes back to them with the 'simple' solution of just placing people in the negatives rather than try to track down and take back what has been bought and possibly lost, people get mad and upset for getting thwarted. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:41:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:@SuperKing
Never played Eve but I've been eyeballing it for a few years. That's why I'm here now.
A little bit of inflation going on up top?
Still, I just don't understand, yeah it's a game and it's not real money but it still feels like theft
to me. But that might just be the roleplayer in me talking. Or the stubborn individualist in me...
I'm not sure. Either way, my guys weren't effected because it was suspect
to begin with to us... To say we didn't have a little discussion how to keep it would be a lie, but
it was all just messing around and having a good time... It IS just a game on our end after all...
im glad im not the only one who admits to having attempted to keep it even though it wasnt rightfully mine, and that your not raging about the loss like some of the others...
hard to say about the inflation, incursions had people showering in ISK faucets, then they took away drone loot driving down supply for an increasing demand of higher end gear. it was a series of events that lead up to prices reaching back to what i remember them being from 5 years ago... as i recall, my first raven was 120m(2007), it died in 45 minutes or less, then i remember buying megathrons and dominixes for less than 75m each(2010), and now theyre back up closer to 100m last i bought one(2012)... so is it so much inflation? or simply a return of order to the chaos of market values? |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:56:00 -
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Israckcatarac wrote:Here is a person who can't understand right from wrong and wants everything given to him instead of working for it.
theyve been arguing that they deserve that ISK most of the day, ive spent the better part of my day championing the removal of the isk. things were just starting to settle down after the uprising buyback... i would have prefered a total asset reset than EVERYONE being able to afford ALL PROTO ALL THE TIME... took away the magic when losses held less impact.
admittedly i did attempt to exploit the error of CCP, but as soon as they stated people would just go negative wallet balance i accepted my loss to their tactics. i didnt gain any edge, but i dont LOSE anything i had rightfully earned... those who end up negative dont lose anything either, they just cant buy more until they earn what they bought... if they run out and have to run militia gear for a stretch to recover, well they just condensed the periodic militia sprees to one stretch to pay off what they bought. which... having thought of it in this light... i suddenly wish i had a proper proto fit to be able to burn this isk so that i will accept the militia spree more willingly. |
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Jade Tech wrote:Ummm, I am having a problem with DUST as well as many of these others. My character here has not gotten the skill respec yet. However, I did obtain an extra 210 million isk for some reason. I had 150 mil, then over the night, it shot up to 360 mil. I don't know how this happened, and I doubt it was the skill books, so what's going on?
I still haven't recieved my skill respec, and I have a staggering balance of ISK. I replied to the respec ticket explaining all of this as well, but please... Fix this.
The GM Grave post and now CCP Frame post in announcements and events are both EXTREMELY misleading... i called them out on this yesterday(page 6)
they dont mention anything about batches... which is causing confusion and im sure a spamming of their petition system.
on page 6, there was a post from GM Grave about the batches and the mysterious hiccup that occured with my batch placement. 2 weeks+ waiting for respec, and it looks like im still waiting... they provide no information to the user which batch they are in... they provide no information on when respecs are scheduled... and when peoples batch number arent called, but they say things like(see quote below), it only leads me to wonder if they are trying to make their jobs harder by not being transparent about what, i feel, shouldnt need to be so cloak and dagger....
GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed. Should players have any issues after restarting their game client then please file a support ticket at the link below: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets[words words words] [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
also, for the record, still have ISK issues of 156m ISK that i shouldnt have. which was supposed to be fixed at downtime thismorning... petition has already been updated reflecting this development. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:37:00 -
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Shadow Camo, i sent you an in game mail, and will post here as well. log into the DUST514.com main page and file a petition there(click on your user name at the top of the screen to get to 'Help Ticket' page). Title it as 'Skill Respec' and you should get an automated reply stating you were flagged. then wait for your 'batch' of respecs to hit. ive been waiting 2 weeks(filed 14th of may) and am not receiving my respec until some unknown date for my 'future batch'
Senator Snipe wrote:i just want my sp respec. I don't understand why they couldn't give the respec to all the people that requested it. I mean, they did it in the uprising.
ive been asking the same question myself... they did more than 6k respecs in one day and managed to not have these *FEATURES* happen... and they have made two attempts at least to fix the ISK and still havent corrected the situation... |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:23:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Any word on when the next batch of respecs is going to happen? I wanna buy some things with aur, but wanna wait till i get my respec.
response from GM Koshka to my petition about not being in the first batch
"Although you are included in the next one, that we will take place very soon."
'very soon'
that is all the more information that i have received even via direct petition regarding this situation... waiting over 2 weeks for my petition now, and have no clue as to when my respec will get processed... with my luck, i expect to not get processed until the very last batch of individuals who get processed on the morning of the 31st.
they said they would announce it in the individual daily downtime reports which appear on the announcements/events board. but have provided no information as far as i am aware about the batches... no word to the players as to what batch they are, no word to the community when batches were going to be processed... no word to the community how many batches there are even going to be... its all very cloak and dagger... it would have reduced the impact on their petition system if they had been more transparent about the whole situation and let us know what they were planning, rather than everyone who didnt receive their respec getting frustrated at the whole situation...
Events board link:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=898
First batch announcement thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82431&find=unread
Possible information post(locked, GM/DEV post ONLY) regarding the respec *FEATURE*:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82780&find=unread |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:41:00 -
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could always send a message apologizing for your mistake and close that ticket and open a new one in the correct category.
i am not for certain how they want you to handle it, but this is how i would attempt to make things right. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:12:00 -
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jin foxdale wrote:So, downtime has come and gone on this fine Wednesday, and I still have 100m extra ISK - has anyone had theirs removed yet? For the record, I'd like to keep the risk/reward aspect of Dust alive, and will gladly pay back the ISK that is currently mocking me in my own home...
ive created a 'tears thread' about this issue in general chat, some people hadnt realized that they were dying inside due to the influx of isk...
@lich
i filed my respec petition under skills 2 weeks ago, and it timed out and was closed automatically. i filed the followup for no respec also in skills. i have been using the followup to complain about the isk issues, but should probably create a second, seperate petition at this point for the isk. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:01:00 -
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last i saw, it was on page3 of general, titled "Am i the only one not happy with this isk?" |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:03:00 -
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GM Grave said you should have received a response on your petition within 72 hours... if it has been more than 3 days, you may have mis-filed.
Title should have been Skill Respec or ... i forget the title for the account reset... the details were here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77103&find=unread |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:07:00 -
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the petition get closed automatically? or is it still open? if its open, send a reply, see if itll bump you up in the queue... if it got closed waiting for a response, id say file again |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:38:00 -
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an error message would pop up saying you have insufficient skills to accept any new members to the corporation. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:29:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:this is so awesome. I got my respec, but now I'm afraid to buy any skill books/gear for fear of CCP screwing me into debt. thanks CCP. one more reason to seriously love your company.
you should know approximately how much ISK you had, and if you manage to go into the red buying skillbooks, it shouldnt take you terribly long to grind your way back into the positives. especially since all skillbooks you had should have had their isk price refunded.
buying ALL skillbooks in the game shouldnt be more than about 85m or so. approximately 2.5m per weapon x17 2.8m/race in dropsuits, 10mrace vehicles, plus another 1m for misc vehicle skills, 1m for turrets(im not seeing specs on market...), 1.5m for engineering roughly, under 1m for the electronics skills, about 1.1m for mechanics, 8.5m for corp management, under 5m for all the dropsuit upgrades. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:37:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Question, you mention penalizing corporations that launder this bug ISK but how do you plan to track and prove it?
I ask since I imagine many of the larger corps whose characters have multiple alts have likely already started to pass that ISK around
they wont. they will simply take the isk away from the players. rather than track where the isk went, it is easier to just reverse engineer the bug itself by refrencing everyones wallet journal entries. the last entry before downtime had 1 value, the first entry after downtime had the second value, and the difference is how much isk they shouldnt have.
or thats how it SHOULD have worked... until the hotfix yesterday made me go from 161m extra to 156m extra... |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:55:00 -
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well define what you mean by abuse, if membership wont be able to purchase anything unless they get the isk back from whoever they sent it to... if corporation were to go red, it wouldnt be able to buy clone packs or whatever else corps are allowed to purchase at this point.
ive had a negative wallet balance before after a successful reimbursement petition on EVE, they dont just magic stuff for the player, when i got the ship back(plus ONLY the destroyed items that didnt drop), i lost the insurance payout for it, and since i didnt have the money, they warned me that my wallet would be negative, and while it was negative, i couldnt buy ANYTHING... here we have militia fits(10-20% difference to proto weapons?)... EVE you have a rookie ship... i would take militia fit over rookie ship any day. |
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Delta 749 wrote:By abuse I mean taking these bugged funds from alts people no longer use IE clones sitting collecting passive XP, burned spy clones, etc and funneling them into the mains corporations significantly boosting their wallets with no down side
my unused alts have under 4m isk each... if they received any fraudulent funds, it doesnt amount to much, 8m/account x 20 people might start making an impact, but if you have 100+ players in a corp, and any decent number of them are into proto gear, chances are the income from 8m/player isnt going to be terribly huge.
but at the same time, tracking all of these transactions would be nearly impossible, not to mention distinguishing between personal isk and fraudulent isk after the transactions start... rather than putting a specific number on a single isk and trying to follow it through its lifes experience, it is simply easier to revert any and all characters proceedurally for the erroneous amount of isk before and after downtime. some of it will get through yes, but a lions share of the isk will be pulled out of circulation one way or another. if someone scraps an alt or two who got their isk into circulation saves them a few hundred manhours trying to perform forensic accounting to focus on more pressing issues, so be it. 160m from my example earlier for 20x players, or single players, such as myself, having 160m each... its not perfect, but it is quick and simple.
as mentioned, id rather CCP does a quick and dirty fix here, and focus on something more pressing than attempting to track THOUSANDS of players financial records of what isk went where. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:23:00 -
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but that would cause more of a fit than petty change getting missed...
districts may have changed hands is probably going to be the biggest issue.
not to mention the SP gain of the dedicated/hardcore, losing a days progress would really **** some of them off.
if they had done the roll back a mere 3 hours after downtime yesterday, it wouldnt have been so bad, but its been a day and a half, and is probably not going to happen.
im not saying i want to keep any of my isk, and have been spamming the error persists on the forum. im tired of kills not meaning anything from the last market buyback when they launched this build... this new issue has me afk farming battles because my kills arent going to mean anything to the enemies wallets for at least another month now. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:31:00 -
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i specifically didnt play yesterday expecting the rollback to win out, gave up with the patience today though. not that im being a productive member of battles, but still want the weekly sp cap to happen soon |
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Croned wrote:I have multiple friends who received over 100 million ISK in the reimbursement back in Uprising. Explain how that looked any different than the sudden addition of 140 million ISK yesterday.
it didnt at first glance, but when you see all of your assets persist is when red flags should start going up. you got 100m when uprising launched because they took all of your loot but militia gear and officer weapons. |
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Baosh Shiryl wrote:Just got my confirmation email. Awaiting my Respec in the coming days. 
faster than expected. hopefully your wait is shorter than mine has been |
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Horse Schitt wrote:Roy Xkillerz wrote:Compared to the eve market most people will not have over a few hunderd mil isk. Can't hurt that much? There will be some minor problems, I'm sure, but I doubt it would be as bad as it could be if it were EVE.
the major problem with the extra isk in DUST is that it reduces the impact of individual deaths.
this was supposed to be a game where death has a meaning.... infinite isk, or excessive isk, or isk you dont have to work for, takes any and all of that meaning away...
if everyone in EVE were to receive an extra 150m ISK, it wouldnt be such a huge impact since a battleships and battle cruisers cost about that much, and can be destroyed and negated in a matter of minutes where as in DUST, it takes hours and hours to burn the 150m down... but things also cost a LOT more in EVE, i wanna say 200m? for advanced cruisers, 300-400m for advanced battlecruisers and navy battleships, 600 or so for a t3 cruiser, almost 1bill for most of the pirate or t2 battleships, 1-1.2b for a carrier, 2.2-2.6b for a dread, 20b+ for a super, 80b+ for a titan |
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whats the problem with your respec? or have you simply not gotten it?
they were processing them in batches, they have provided no details that i am aware of about batches... players were not informed which batch they got placed in, and have not been told when their batches are supposed to be processed.
for awhile, the information posts from GMs and DEVs didnt even mention batches until thismorning at some point... just referencing that 'if you were registered for a respec that it should be complete' or something along those lines... petition responses and several forum posts later they finally let me know that i was shuffled into a later batch that would be coming 'very soon'
all very cryptic and unnecessarily cloak and dagger for something that would save a lot of headache on both sides if more transparency happened... |
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative.
if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character.
i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish...
the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game... |
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative. if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character. i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish... the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game... Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out.
and i realize my advice probably isnt the best solution, but better than no solution. as for when you should wait until... while the 31st 'should' work as its only a day away now, you might want to consider keeping an eye on the forum posts where they were relaying information about the isk issue(this thread and theres a locked post in announcements and events) and see if they announce a 'its really fixed this time' edit.
or alternatively, wait until they announce the 'final batch' of respecs. they will be processing the requests up until downtime on the 31st, and since theyve not even made it to the second batch(batch sizes unknown, so they may have done anywhere between 1 and 6k+ on the 28th).
this is just throwing what information i am aware of out there for your consideration. but do what you feel to be appropriate. this also includes the option of spending the isk if you are willing to accept the consequences of negative wallet balance. if i get my respec before they take the isk from my wallet, i plan to put myself negative soon as i find an acceptable fitting for my new build. there are reasons beyond attempting to exploit it, but with my lack of self control with shinies, i intend to force my back against the wall and spam militia suits for an extended period rather than wantonly throw away my new proto suits that i 'think' i can afford to burn. |
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D legendary hero wrote:jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal. if i open my personal wallet and find 20 bucks in there that i didnt find yesterday its mine
while this is true of the real world, id does kind of ruin the gaming experience if your kills and your deaths have no significant financial impact... thats what made the previous build of DUST so fun, finding the few proto rambos running solo, and taking their shinies that would set them back the entire match... destroying someones tank was a BIG punch in their pocket book...
and then we had the uprising market buyback... and everyone everywhere who had been around for a while now had an extra 150m+ to throw around... the proto bears who had been maintaining their proto rampages fairly steady in the previous build will be able to maintain them almost indefinitely now, without having to worry so much about an individual game going a little negative... tank drivers spam in 2 or 3 of the new proto tanks and apparently dont bat an eye at the losses... a corp mate of mine lost a 3m dropship and he just called in another one for a pub match that had ZERO impact in the grand scheme of things....
this is why i have been championing the removal of said isk. and i have admitted my intention of using it, but i am also willing to accept the negative wallet balance, because if i just throw away those suits, i will not be able to use them again, or anything else that comes out for an extended period that it will take to get back to a positive wallet balance, forcing me back to my basics, spending SP to finish skills i already had, getting my gunplay back up trying to take down the other protobears with militia suits again. after deep thought about the situation, i feel i would benefit from the negative wallet status when this issue gets corrected, and not for the simple asset/financial gain that others have been looking at it as. |
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:
Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out.
Players should liaise with their corporations to ensure ISK donations are returned to the original character otherwise all characters and corporations involved in ISK laundering will be subject to further ISK reversal. Users found to have abused corp donations may be subject to punitive actions against their accounts however such cases will be addressed on their own merits and handled on a case by case basis.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82780&find=unread
pulled from CCP frames locked post in the Announcements board
if the character has been deleted, you might want to petition CCP about it sooner rather than later to ensure they do not attempt to subject you to further punitive actions based on the theory that you deleted the char so to dispose of evidence. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:52:00 -
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bummer... was really hoping to get my respec before they took this isk back... i had intended to put myself negative just to make myself not buy stupid and useless shinies that i dont need to... |
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semperfi1999 wrote:cSRT4 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:cSRT4 wrote:Looks like a lot of people are gonna have to stop being try-hards and run what they can truly afford.
LMMFAO at all they newbs to the world of money. If a bank accidentally deposits money into your account (we're talking REAL WORLD HERE), when they find their mistake, which THEY WILL FIND IT, they take it back.
So, let's say you go to the ATM, pull out $20 and see that your account shows $100,000 instead of $1,000, do you go buy a new car? NO! They're coming back to get their money. IT'S NOT YOURS! YOU KNOW IT! JUST STOP IT PEOPLE! Play within your means.
Still SMH (AND ROFLMMFAO) The ppl who spent more than they had and spent the bugged money diserve what they got. The people who did not spend the bugged isk because they knew about it and then they lost not just the bugged isk but also the isk they should have had anyway.......and not just that but were put deep into the red because of CCPs inability to do math. They have a legitimate complaint. So basically you made yourself look like an idiot with this statement as there are a ton of ppl who had their isk completely taken away by CCP including everyhting they legitimately earned. QQ. Sounds like you need a tissue (and an accountant). Boohoo for you. ROFLMAO AT YOU!!! HAHAHAHAHA Your apparent lack of reading comprehension is astounding. Let me make this clearer. CCP took more money from alot of people then they accidentally gave with the bugged isk. The highest amount I have heard so far is CCP taking an additional 500 million isk over what they accidentally gave in the bug. This amount woudl make almost anyone go isk negative. Personally I am fine and probably have better isk handling mangement than you do....however I also have not had a chance to see if CCP has actually taken away more isk than what I was given so it remains to be seen if CCP took additonal millions from me.
i see 2x modify isk entries in my wallet, one that counter acted the hotfix on the 28th, for + 5.535.400ISK and the second one to correct the downtime error on the 28th of -161.784.805ISK. these numbers are accurate to within a reasonable doubt, and logged on personal documentation of how much isk i shouldnt spend.
for those saying they thought this was an 'event' ... shame on you... they havent given isk as a reward to this degree at all that i am aware of. it always comes as items or equipment that you have to assign at login screen. the only time anybody should have gotten this much isk was when they did the market buyback with uprising launch, but common sense dictated that since i STILL had all my assets, they obviously didnt do a market buy back and the isk was in error. checked the wallet and it reflected no gains, also another red flag.
anyone arguing that they deserved this isk, or that CCP should bite the bullet on this *FEATURE* is cancer on this community. a game where death is supposed to have meaning, and you want to do away with that for the sake of your protospam. why dont you just petition for them to make PROTO BPOs and have them cost 48ISK each so that everyone can afford them? then everyone everywhere will be full proto all the time and the wallet value will continue to be what you want, completely irrelevant to the game.
as i had stated, i had planed to use my erroneous isk, but i also planned to accept and even utilize the penalties in a fashion i felt to be beneficial for my own playstyle. preventing me from throwing isk away in silly fashions for a nice long while. i would have spent future isk on exclusively what i could use now, and would force my core skills(both SP and player) to improve rather than trying to over expand. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:07:00 -
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i nthink that what has been a mis-management of informations has been that there are almost no in game notifications of wtf is going on...
'most' EVE Online players have a computer of somesort... i hope... and can quickly and easily access the forums, or the eve main page, and quickly figure things out for themselves when information is provided...
contrarily, not all DUST mercs have convenient access to a computer, and the only access some have to the forums, or dev blogs is by logging out of DUST to use the ps3 browser, or tab to the second page on the login screen rather than just spam the X Button to get to the murdering...
some sort of message board needs to be in game, maybe not use the mail system, CPP accounts will probably start spamming, but something that players can access the 'important' information like wtf has been going on since the 28th at downtime.
not to mention better transparency on things like the respec batches would prevent a lot of us blowing up forums and petition systems because we have no idea whats going on. |
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D legendary hero, your examples sound like what i remember of the plot for the movie Dumb and Dumber...
stop acting like you deserved the isk that didnt belong in the game. |
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musterk sainsk wrote:So when am i expecting my skill respec to be done because i apply 2 days ago.. And stil nothing well at least my isk problem got solve but i need the skill point i screw up on the beggining so need to do it right now
im still waiting for the second batch of respecs... i filed mine 16 days ago... patience... they will announce when respecs will happen in a forum post before its respective downtime.
though these forum posts only come out like 2 hours before downtime... and since they hit early morning for american TZs, most people probably wont see it until after school/work.
CCP Frames post about the 30ths downtime came just over an hour before DT... so there is little to no headsup.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83185&find=unread
CCP Frames post about the 28ths downtime came a bit earlier, and as you see, they mentioned the respec batch getting processed.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82431&find=unread
and with the templar event hitting tommorow morning, chances are low that respecs will get processed with all of the templar characters getting spawned... and thatll be running all weekend, which idk if they actually 'work' on weekends, i dont know CCP's schedules, but i dont think they do anything major but a customer service staff...
then monday or tuesday will be spent processing the weekends event.
my guess is probably not until wednesday or later for our respecs... ive already been waiting 2+ weeks, whats 1 more... |
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