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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:15:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Delta 749 wrote:By abuse I mean taking these bugged funds from alts people no longer use IE clones sitting collecting passive XP, burned spy clones, etc and funneling them into the mains corporations significantly boosting their wallets with no down side my unused alts have under 4m isk each... if they received any fraudulent funds, it doesnt amount to much, 8m/account x 20 people might start making an impact, but if you have 100+ players in a corp, and any decent number of them are into proto gear, chances are the income from 8m/player isnt going to be terribly huge. but at the same time, tracking all of these transactions would be nearly impossible, not to mention distinguishing between personal isk and fraudulent isk after the transactions start... rather than putting a specific number on a single isk and trying to follow it through its lifes experience, it is simply easier to revert any and all characters proceedurally for the erroneous amount of isk before and after downtime. some of it will get through yes, but a lions share of the isk will be pulled out of circulation one way or another. if someone scraps an alt or two who got their isk into circulation saves them a few hundred manhours trying to perform forensic accounting to focus on more pressing issues, so be it. 160m from my example earlier for 20x players, or single players, such as myself, having 160m each... its not perfect, but it is quick and simple. as mentioned, id rather CCP does a quick and dirty fix here, and focus on something more pressing than attempting to track THOUSANDS of players financial records of what isk went where.
At this point I would be in favor of a rollback, losing a day of progress isnt the end of the world |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:23:00 -
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but that would cause more of a fit than petty change getting missed...
districts may have changed hands is probably going to be the biggest issue.
not to mention the SP gain of the dedicated/hardcore, losing a days progress would really **** some of them off.
if they had done the roll back a mere 3 hours after downtime yesterday, it wouldnt have been so bad, but its been a day and a half, and is probably not going to happen.
im not saying i want to keep any of my isk, and have been spamming the error persists on the forum. im tired of kills not meaning anything from the last market buyback when they launched this build... this new issue has me afk farming battles because my kills arent going to mean anything to the enemies wallets for at least another month now. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:29:00 -
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Personally I try to keep the MST3K mantra in mind when it comes to things like rollbacks in games but you are right, the more time that passes the more people will lose their **** when it comes to rollbacks |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
54
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:31:00 -
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i specifically didnt play yesterday expecting the rollback to win out, gave up with the patience today though. not that im being a productive member of battles, but still want the weekly sp cap to happen soon |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
507
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:43:00 -
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I'm surprised that CCP doesn't send messages to all characters through the in game mail system when things like this happen, since a lot of players don't check the forums.
I know they sent an in game message warning players to reset their system, but that was only for people in game at the time (and the problem wasn't fixed). A mail system message would be harder for people to miss and would reduce the risk of people overspending or whatever. |
Croned
The Penguin Society
4
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:45:00 -
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I have multiple friends who received over 100 million ISK in the reimbursement back in Uprising. Explain how that looked any different than the sudden addition of 140 million ISK yesterday. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
54
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:09:00 -
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Croned wrote:I have multiple friends who received over 100 million ISK in the reimbursement back in Uprising. Explain how that looked any different than the sudden addition of 140 million ISK yesterday.
it didnt at first glance, but when you see all of your assets persist is when red flags should start going up. you got 100m when uprising launched because they took all of your loot but militia gear and officer weapons. |
Baosh Shiryl
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:19:00 -
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Just got my confirmation email. Awaiting my Respec in the coming days. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
54
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:23:00 -
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Baosh Shiryl wrote:Just got my confirmation email. Awaiting my Respec in the coming days.
faster than expected. hopefully your wait is shorter than mine has been |
Horse Schitt
Turalyon Plus
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:28:00 -
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Roy Xkillerz wrote:Compared to the eve market most people will not have over a few hunderd mil isk. Can't hurt that much?
There will be some minor problems, I'm sure, but I doubt it would be as bad as it could be if it were EVE. |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
55
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:47:00 -
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Horse Schitt wrote:Roy Xkillerz wrote:Compared to the eve market most people will not have over a few hunderd mil isk. Can't hurt that much? There will be some minor problems, I'm sure, but I doubt it would be as bad as it could be if it were EVE.
the major problem with the extra isk in DUST is that it reduces the impact of individual deaths.
this was supposed to be a game where death has a meaning.... infinite isk, or excessive isk, or isk you dont have to work for, takes any and all of that meaning away...
if everyone in EVE were to receive an extra 150m ISK, it wouldnt be such a huge impact since a battleships and battle cruisers cost about that much, and can be destroyed and negated in a matter of minutes where as in DUST, it takes hours and hours to burn the 150m down... but things also cost a LOT more in EVE, i wanna say 200m? for advanced cruisers, 300-400m for advanced battlecruisers and navy battleships, 600 or so for a t3 cruiser, almost 1bill for most of the pirate or t2 battleships, 1-1.2b for a carrier, 2.2-2.6b for a dread, 20b+ for a super, 80b+ for a titan |
Jade Tech
Nox Aeterna Security
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:53:00 -
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All I'm wondering is if they can fix this soon. And give us a date too. Tomorrow after downtime? The 31st? When is the respec going to be fixed, along with our isk issues? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
55
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:52:00 -
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whats the problem with your respec? or have you simply not gotten it?
they were processing them in batches, they have provided no details that i am aware of about batches... players were not informed which batch they got placed in, and have not been told when their batches are supposed to be processed.
for awhile, the information posts from GMs and DEVs didnt even mention batches until thismorning at some point... just referencing that 'if you were registered for a respec that it should be complete' or something along those lines... petition responses and several forum posts later they finally let me know that i was shuffled into a later batch that would be coming 'very soon'
all very cryptic and unnecessarily cloak and dagger for something that would save a lot of headache on both sides if more transparency happened... |
Lucrezia LeGrand
Verboten Industries
8
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:35:00 -
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This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
57
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:08:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative.
if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character.
i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish...
the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game... |
Lucrezia LeGrand
Verboten Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:53:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative. if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character. i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish... the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game...
Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
60
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:18:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This leaves me very worried. I have two characters, Zor-Magna (set to be deleted because I don't like her anymore) and this one (my main). When I noticed the extra isk I figured it was a gift from CCP and donated all of Zor-Magna's isk to my corp. about 30 something million (haven't touched any of it on my main).
So, I really want to help in any way I can but I don't know how and I don't want to be penalized for not knowing how. Will CCP just subtract the isk from the corp or do I have to do something to fix this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I don't want my main to drop to negative. if the character is deleted, they MIGHT subtract the isk from the corp wallet... i cant say for certain what they will do about it. i would advise sending your corp a mail to leave whatever the sum of isk in the corp wallet until it gets properly resolved. if it persists, consider it a gift, or file a petition as a bug report stating that you have erroneous isk left over from a deleted character. i personally am for its removal, but i lack the capability and or authority to do anything about it. it would be nice if they manage to get it all removed, but to catch it all, especially in cases like yours, would be extremely difficult to accomplish... the goal of getting MOST of it out of circulation is good enough of a solution, so long as not EVERYONE has another month+ worth of proto suit/vehicle funding to continue ruining the meaning of death in this game... Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out.
and i realize my advice probably isnt the best solution, but better than no solution. as for when you should wait until... while the 31st 'should' work as its only a day away now, you might want to consider keeping an eye on the forum posts where they were relaying information about the isk issue(this thread and theres a locked post in announcements and events) and see if they announce a 'its really fixed this time' edit.
or alternatively, wait until they announce the 'final batch' of respecs. they will be processing the requests up until downtime on the 31st, and since theyve not even made it to the second batch(batch sizes unknown, so they may have done anywhere between 1 and 6k+ on the 28th).
this is just throwing what information i am aware of out there for your consideration. but do what you feel to be appropriate. this also includes the option of spending the isk if you are willing to accept the consequences of negative wallet balance. if i get my respec before they take the isk from my wallet, i plan to put myself negative soon as i find an acceptable fitting for my new build. there are reasons beyond attempting to exploit it, but with my lack of self control with shinies, i intend to force my back against the wall and spam militia suits for an extended period rather than wantonly throw away my new proto suits that i 'think' i can afford to burn. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
36
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:38:00 -
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Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct?
if someone dumps 5,000 in your bank account, and you spend the money, its not really your fault. you dnt know where it came from. its the banks issue they made a mistake. what benefit do you as the customer get for calling it in?
if its a named check, or someones wallet you find on the ground, or in an office, etc then ok there are measures you can take to return it however, if by someone elses error you encounter money in your personal bank account it is yours. they should have "carried the 1" |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
36
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:39:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal.
if i open my personal wallet and find 20 bucks in there that i didnt find yesterday its mine |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
61
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:48:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:jenza aranda wrote:logically you really should have noticed that something went wrong. there is no such thing as a free meal. if i open my personal wallet and find 20 bucks in there that i didnt find yesterday its mine
while this is true of the real world, id does kind of ruin the gaming experience if your kills and your deaths have no significant financial impact... thats what made the previous build of DUST so fun, finding the few proto rambos running solo, and taking their shinies that would set them back the entire match... destroying someones tank was a BIG punch in their pocket book...
and then we had the uprising market buyback... and everyone everywhere who had been around for a while now had an extra 150m+ to throw around... the proto bears who had been maintaining their proto rampages fairly steady in the previous build will be able to maintain them almost indefinitely now, without having to worry so much about an individual game going a little negative... tank drivers spam in 2 or 3 of the new proto tanks and apparently dont bat an eye at the losses... a corp mate of mine lost a 3m dropship and he just called in another one for a pub match that had ZERO impact in the grand scheme of things....
this is why i have been championing the removal of said isk. and i have admitted my intention of using it, but i am also willing to accept the negative wallet balance, because if i just throw away those suits, i will not be able to use them again, or anything else that comes out for an extended period that it will take to get back to a positive wallet balance, forcing me back to my basics, spending SP to finish skills i already had, getting my gunplay back up trying to take down the other protobears with militia suits again. after deep thought about the situation, i feel i would benefit from the negative wallet status when this issue gets corrected, and not for the simple asset/financial gain that others have been looking at it as. |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
61
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:11:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:
Thanks. I told my corp and we're going to wait until after the 31st to see what happens. If the isk is still there than I will send CCP an email saying we still have the money. T.T hope everything works out.
Players should liaise with their corporations to ensure ISK donations are returned to the original character otherwise all characters and corporations involved in ISK laundering will be subject to further ISK reversal. Users found to have abused corp donations may be subject to punitive actions against their accounts however such cases will be addressed on their own merits and handled on a case by case basis.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82780&find=unread pulled from CCP frames locked post in the Announcements board
if the character has been deleted, you might want to petition CCP about it sooner rather than later to ensure they do not attempt to subject you to further punitive actions based on the theory that you deleted the char so to dispose of evidence. |
Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:29:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct? if someone dumps 5,000 in your bank account, and you spend the money, its not really your fault. you dnt know where it came from. its the banks issue they made a mistake. what benefit do you as the customer get for calling it in? if its a named check, or someones wallet you find on the ground, or in an office, etc then ok there are measures you can take to return it however, if by someone elses error you encounter money in your personal bank account it is yours. they should have "carried the 1" The law doesn't see it that way.
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Wil Kast
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
5
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:11:00 -
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I have realized about the ISK huge increase but my skill respec has not been produced yet. |
Dalton Smithe
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
78
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:58:00 -
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CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time.
Anyone else find that this troll's corp is "Not Guilty" ? lol |
YUSUF VISCOUND
ZoneOf TheEnders
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:32:00 -
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Everyone who is all mad about them taking the money back needs to relax.
1.its a game not real life
2. you cannot have such an imbalance exist in an already imbalanced game it would be a deal breaker for most, some people only got 2mil while others got over 100 mil.
3.if you go into the negative then suck it up cupcake you spent free money on proto crap this is what you get and besides even if you go into the negative you'l still have your 300 proto tricked out assclown tanks you bought.
for all of you whining about going into the negative think of it this way. would you have spent it that quick if you had actually earned it? I really doubt over 200 mil would have gone into the toilet if you spent the month and a half earning all that money, you would have been a little smarter than that.
so in essence, you knew somthing was up when you saw that much money magically appear in your wallet but you spent it anyway. so take your lumps and have fun with all that crap you decided to splurge on for no good reason other than the fact you thought they wouldnt notice.
and just one more time so you all get it.
ITS A GAME |
Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organization
67
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:46:00 -
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All I can say is they better only take away what got added by mistake.
no more no less, or my fury will be unimaginable |
PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F
23
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:05:00 -
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After todays DT all the extra isk i got is now gone.
looks like they solved the isk problem. Thx.
Now im just waiting for my respec. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
127
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:11:00 -
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I actually thought this was a extra boost to us for ******* us up so bad. Thanks CCP for putting me at -94m ISK. Love you! |
Guyve III
The Merc Net
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:18:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I actually thought this was a extra boost to us for ******* us up so bad. Thanks CCP for putting me at -94m ISK. Love you! all got this BS that was I from rebuild this so worng
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D3VASTAT0R
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:30:00 -
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-125 mil isk way to go CCP really glad I was saving up for my elite pack I'll NEVER spend RL money on this game again. Learn how to cut your losses and worry about fixing your game not our wallets. |
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