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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:56:00 -
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Israckcatarac wrote:Here is a person who can't understand right from wrong and wants everything given to him instead of working for it.
theyve been arguing that they deserve that ISK most of the day, ive spent the better part of my day championing the removal of the isk. things were just starting to settle down after the uprising buyback... i would have prefered a total asset reset than EVERYONE being able to afford ALL PROTO ALL THE TIME... took away the magic when losses held less impact.
admittedly i did attempt to exploit the error of CCP, but as soon as they stated people would just go negative wallet balance i accepted my loss to their tactics. i didnt gain any edge, but i dont LOSE anything i had rightfully earned... those who end up negative dont lose anything either, they just cant buy more until they earn what they bought... if they run out and have to run militia gear for a stretch to recover, well they just condensed the periodic militia sprees to one stretch to pay off what they bought. which... having thought of it in this light... i suddenly wish i had a proper proto fit to be able to burn this isk so that i will accept the militia spree more willingly. |
Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:01:00 -
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Zhenya Serafina wrote:Your **** up, Not our, how about you employee people who can do the job correctly, stop penalizing players for your short fall. Correcting is not penalizing. Yeah I would love to keep the 380 mil ISK in my wallet but im not going to throw a tantrum if they correct the mistake and bring me back to 130mil.
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Shiney Berbles
Nephilim Initiative
4
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:12:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Shiney Berbles wrote:@players - stop complaining, stuff happens, and if you went and spent isk you knew wasn't earned then shame on you for taking a handout.
@CCP - apologies for all these ppl who complaining about going negitive, its like they have never had a real life and never used a bank account. Thinking they can spend unearned isk.... keep the game strong and awesome!
Oh and at players, before you start attacking me.. I also received just about double what I had in isk. But I didn't spend cause I thought about where the money may have come from (to include skill changes/refunds and marketplace refunds). After nothing had changed I thought ok a mistake has been made and to keep the dust economy alive in these early stages CCP would probably take the isk back...
"I love being a merc, I get paid to kill stuff" -unknown GTFOH, logic and common sense have no place on these forums!
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Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
99
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:16:00 -
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We didn't try and keep it, we just talked about ways to do it. But because we couldn't find a
reason for it to be, either in game or on the forums at that time, we let it be.
But it was a fun little discussion with shell companies and all that. We had a good laugh.
Someone mentioned all the qq'ing that would happen if people spent all the extra isk and
then CCP came in and took it all back... That had us laughing more. That was roughly 0830 CST... |
NewOldMan
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:26:00 -
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people need to realize that just because they gave you one stimulus package, that you can expect more of them.
They were only supposed to reimburse you for the money spent on skill books, not the untold millions that were given back today.
I for one will be happy to see a less isk saturated market come downtime tomorrow. |
Jade Tech
Nox Aeterna Security
6
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Posted - 2013.05.29 04:49:00 -
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Ummm, I am having a problem with DUST as well as many of these others. My character here has not gotten the skill respec yet. However, I did obtain an extra 210 million isk for some reason. I had 150 mil, then over the night, it shot up to 360 mil. I don't know how this happened, and I doubt it was the skill books, so what's going on?
I still haven't recieved my skill respec, and I have a staggering balance of ISK. I replied to the respec ticket explaining all of this as well, but please... Fix this. |
Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.05.29 06:55:00 -
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@ 5 posts above.
So they should get to keep our hard earned isk when we get stuck on an invisible wall, or When I'm trying to do my god damned job reviving people only to be running over the person's body for 20 secs and get shot because it takes too fuckin long to find the spot. But if we get extra isk and we want to keep it, we're the bad guys... This should be treated as compensation for all that we lost by means of more CCP mistakes. |
3XHERMES
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 07:34:00 -
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Everyone I know puts a crazy amount of actual money into Dust anyway. I think you'll make everyone angry by teasing people and taking that ISK away. The point is to have fun. Having that ISK taken will make the game less so. I get glitched out of more PC battles than I care to remember . We love Dust 514 and don't mind the glitches so much because we know you're cool guys pioneering the future of gaming. You should at least let us keep 25% of it, learn from it, and carry the burden of your glitch by yourselves. |
RagnaroK Ignite
NW WARLORDS
1
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Posted - 2013.05.29 09:06:00 -
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Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct?
The thing with your analogy is that if I found a briefcase full of money I know for sure that the money is not mine, but what really happened is CCP give you a briefcase full of money that you put in the bank to paid your bills, then CCP is like crap I just made all my calculations wrong so they hack into your bank account and subtract all the money they give you and then the bank say "well now you owe us 100000 ISK" how is that even fair? |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
46
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:23:00 -
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RagnaroK Ignite wrote:Nebra Tene wrote:CLAYTON84 wrote:wow you mean to tell me that I may be negative because of someone else mistake. I already spent a lot of that money before a friend said check the forums they said they are taking the money back. How was I to know that you guys made a mistake, not mad that you did I just think you guys should take this one on the cheek and learn from mistakes. I really don't see how you would justify making countless people go negative in ISK due to something they had no control over please reconsider this option. Thanks for you time. That's like saying "Oh I found briefcase full of money, I didn't know it was stolen so I spent it, now I have to pay for it?" I understand many people wil be exited to have the random Isk boost, but should know its not normal and may be an error/ glitch and check around before spending all of it. Exploiting bugs and glitches like these rarely ends up well. Instead of being greedy and spending it all right away, you could have simply waited a couple of hours to see or ask around if it was something that was intended to happen, or if there would be repercussions for spending it. @CCP: Just to be sure, I can spend Isk normally as long as I don't spend more than what I used to have, correct? The thing with your analogy is that if I found a briefcase full of money I know for sure that the money is not mine, but what really happened is CCP give you a briefcase full of money that you put in the bank to paid your bills, then CCP is like crap I just made all my calculations wrong so they hack into your bank account and subtract all the money they give you and then the bank say "well now you owe us 100000 ISK" how is that even fair?
How about this: imagine the bank itself accidentally deposited a large sum of money into your account. Whether you spend it or not, it was never your's, you didn't earn it, and you can be sure that they WILL take it back, even if that means your account goes into the negative.
Analogies aside, yes, accidentally giving out the ISK was CCP's mistake, now they "pay the price" for that mistake in the real-life time and effort they'll need to spend sorting out and rectifying the resulting mess.
On the other hand, the PLAYERS' mistake was spending that ISK that they clearly didn't earn, and didn't deserve, now they have topay the price for that mistake, by giving the money back.
Seems reasonable to me. Mistakes have consequences. Time for people to stop crying that they have to give back something that never rightfully belonged to them in the first place, put on their big-boy pants and accept the consequences of their actions.
What is it that I keep reading on these forums all the time?
Oh, right:
"Welcome to New Eden, HTFU". |
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Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
101
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:37:00 -
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RagnaroK Ignite wrote:
*snip snip snip*
The thing with your analogy is that if I found a briefcase full of money I know for sure that the money is not mine, but what really happened is CCP ACCIDENTLYgive you a briefcase full of money that you put in the bank to paid your bills, then CCP is like crap I just made all my calculations wrong so they hack into your bank account and subtract all the money they give you and then the bank say "well now you owe us 100000 ISK" how is that even fair?
Fixed it for you.
It's no different than a bank error. You think the bank isn't going to take its money back?
What you are saying is that you knew the extra money in your account wasn't yours and
you spent it anyway. In case you missed it, CCP is the bank here.
Just consider this isk issue a loan from the bank, you were always going to have to pay it
back somehow anyway. Be glad there's no interest on the loan.
And it's not like it was Aurum. That's a completely different issue with real world implications.
Breathe people. It's fake money... in a game. |
Dean Gallacher
The Sovereign Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:57:00 -
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I own my own corp and asked for a skill respec, because I will lose the corp skill... will I lose my corp? |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:22:00 -
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Earlier in this thread they said they left Corp skill alone during the respec unless you specifically want it to be reset.
GM Grave wrote:JERRY 666 wrote:You are correct. After looking to see how much level 5 corporation skill is, the math works out. Why is it that you can't respec the corporation skills to the amount of member that are in the corporation? I requested in the respec ticket for this, but was only replied that this was not done. When the ability to create a corporation was first made, I didn't know then how it worked and kept buying corporation skill trying to get it too work.  While we try not to meddle with corp skills in order to ensure your corp remains intact. If your issue was not resolved during the skill respec please file a support ticket and we'll see what we can do to help you out: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
1834
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:52:00 -
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Dean Gallacher wrote:I own my own corp and asked for a skill respec, because I will lose the corp skill... will I lose my corp?
No, once you form a corp, you do not need the skills to keep it running. |
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Miokai Zahou
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:22:00 -
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Hi there,
Has the fix for the respec gone out yet because I got an email before the 28th saying i was in queue for it and only got the isk back and no SP reimbursement yet.
Sorry if this has been asked already but I'm getting conflicted information. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
48
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:34:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote:Ummm, I am having a problem with DUST as well as many of these others. My character here has not gotten the skill respec yet. However, I did obtain an extra 210 million isk for some reason. I had 150 mil, then over the night, it shot up to 360 mil. I don't know how this happened, and I doubt it was the skill books, so what's going on?
I still haven't recieved my skill respec, and I have a staggering balance of ISK. I replied to the respec ticket explaining all of this as well, but please... Fix this.
The GM Grave post and now CCP Frame post in announcements and events are both EXTREMELY misleading... i called them out on this yesterday(page 6)
they dont mention anything about batches... which is causing confusion and im sure a spamming of their petition system.
on page 6, there was a post from GM Grave about the batches and the mysterious hiccup that occured with my batch placement. 2 weeks+ waiting for respec, and it looks like im still waiting... they provide no information to the user which batch they are in... they provide no information on when respecs are scheduled... and when peoples batch number arent called, but they say things like(see quote below), it only leads me to wonder if they are trying to make their jobs harder by not being transparent about what, i feel, shouldnt need to be so cloak and dagger....
GM Grave wrote:Those players who have registered for a skill respec should now have received their skill points along with ISK refunds for skill books that have been removed. Should players have any issues after restarting their game client then please file a support ticket at the link below: https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets[words words words] [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
also, for the record, still have ISK issues of 156m ISK that i shouldnt have. which was supposed to be fixed at downtime thismorning... petition has already been updated reflecting this development. |
Solomon Malcolm
BurgezzE.T.F
22
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:45:00 -
[167] - Quote
Yes, i still have 247Mill Isk when my current balance was 119Mill.
i guess it did not get fixed.... |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
53
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:18:00 -
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well i hoped todays DT would give me my respec, guess not.
i just wanna get my proto logi  |
Racro 01 Arifistan
Universal Allies Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:28:00 -
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JX1 wrote:Joe Random is an average guy, average job, average house, average wife and family. One day he finds that his bank balance shows seven digits from one deposit he did not ask for and cannot trace. Joe Random spends the money, then gets grumpy when the bank takes it back, putting his account into negative. Joe Random is not bright.
Bobby Business in the same situation decides to alert the bank of the mistake, but goes about paying his bills, making note to stay within his normal budgetary limits. Bobby Business is smart.
Don't be a Joe Random.
thi9s is quite true and funny +5 |
Shadow Camo
B.O.S. RAVENS LAST STAND
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:34:00 -
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Dear CCP,
I ( Shadow Camo) am relatively new to Dust. I am writing to see if i can still get a skill respec, due to not knowing how the skills really worked for my character until my friend BLACKDEMONBMW showed me. Again after I realized what i was really putting s.p. down for, I just wanna kinda slap myself in the face... But at the same time if you are un-able to do this for me, I will totally understand, but at the same time I wish I took initiative to log into the Dust Website sooner, and find the respec forum before you had the update on it during server downtime. All in all I would Highly appreciate it if you could give me a skill respec. Thanks again for taking a look at my response to this forum.
-One of your happiest and loyal fans
-Shadow Camo
- PSN: SniperCamo95
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Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
67
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:46:00 -
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An asset buyback may be a good fix for this issue, I got a Skill Re-spec and have to buy more gear that works with the skills I speced into. How is a person to know how much the skill books they bought cost before the re-spec, I know that after purchasing all the new Skill books I had spent over 20mil in isk.
By the way CCP, feel free to buy back any of my assets that I can't use due to SP requirements not met. This will help me protobear the militia heavies with my LogiBro equipment. I'm sure that they'd rather get picked up with a proto needle rather than a militia one. |
Hellsung Deathsong
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
23
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:03:00 -
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why not reset values and sell off all players goods, they can spend ten mins refitting and then no one has a negative, everyone has some extra money from loot, but nothing they didn't earn, everyone walks away happy |
Shadow Camo
B.O.S. RAVENS LAST STAND
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:12:00 -
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Or just have a respec option in game, where you get so many points isk wise and respec |
Senator Snipe
NOVA TECH MARINES
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:29:00 -
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i just want my sp respec. I don't understand why they couldn't give the respec to all the people that requested it. I mean, they did it in the uprising. |
Shadow Camo
B.O.S. RAVENS LAST STAND
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:30:00 -
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Senator Snipe wrote:i just want my sp respec. I don't understand why they couldn't give the respec to all the people that requested it. I mean, they did it in the uprising.
This is why you need a in game respec option... flat out
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Senator Snipe
NOVA TECH MARINES
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:34:00 -
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well in that case ya why not. So if people mess up, they don't got to start over the file. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
50
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:37:00 -
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Shadow Camo, i sent you an in game mail, and will post here as well. log into the DUST514.com main page and file a petition there(click on your user name at the top of the screen to get to 'Help Ticket' page). Title it as 'Skill Respec' and you should get an automated reply stating you were flagged. then wait for your 'batch' of respecs to hit. ive been waiting 2 weeks(filed 14th of may) and am not receiving my respec until some unknown date for my 'future batch'
Senator Snipe wrote:i just want my sp respec. I don't understand why they couldn't give the respec to all the people that requested it. I mean, they did it in the uprising.
ive been asking the same question myself... they did more than 6k respecs in one day and managed to not have these *FEATURES* happen... and they have made two attempts at least to fix the ISK and still havent corrected the situation... |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
8
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:01:00 -
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Any word on when the next batch of respecs is going to happen? I wanna buy some things with aur, but wanna wait till i get my respec. |
DJINN Zact
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
23
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:18:00 -
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So we were told it was fixed, then it was not. So all people who spent their isk thinking it was fixed will be negative now? |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
51
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:23:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Any word on when the next batch of respecs is going to happen? I wanna buy some things with aur, but wanna wait till i get my respec.
response from GM Koshka to my petition about not being in the first batch
"Although you are included in the next one, that we will take place very soon."
'very soon'
that is all the more information that i have received even via direct petition regarding this situation... waiting over 2 weeks for my petition now, and have no clue as to when my respec will get processed... with my luck, i expect to not get processed until the very last batch of individuals who get processed on the morning of the 31st.
they said they would announce it in the individual daily downtime reports which appear on the announcements/events board. but have provided no information as far as i am aware about the batches... no word to the players as to what batch they are, no word to the community when batches were going to be processed... no word to the community how many batches there are even going to be... its all very cloak and dagger... it would have reduced the impact on their petition system if they had been more transparent about the whole situation and let us know what they were planning, rather than everyone who didnt receive their respec getting frustrated at the whole situation...
Events board link:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=898
First batch announcement thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82431&find=unread
Possible information post(locked, GM/DEV post ONLY) regarding the respec *FEATURE*:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82780&find=unread |
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