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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.08 20:58:00 - [1] - Quote Yes this is another flamethrower thread, but unlike the others, I intend to flesh out details beyond "I want something that shoots fire", and explain why it would be a great addition to Dust 514's arsenal. [Why a (plasma) flamethrower?] Visually, there is something really beautiful and scary about a fire (or something fire-like such as plasma), could be the caveman fascination with fire. Flamethrowers are always always fun, and that's why its the most commonly requested weapon type in Dust 514... seriously, search "flame thrower" or "flamethrower". This requested A LOT. Increasing the game's variety of exotic weapons is good. The Amarr are the only ones with a heavy suit (for now), but they have no heavy weapon to go with it. The Amarr used heavy plasma weapons in Templar One, so it fits. [How it should work] It should be a heavy weapon. It should fire in a cone similar to the shotgun, but with less spread. The cone fire would allow it to hitmultiple targets at once. It should have less range than the HMG, but more range than the shotgun. Damage per second should initially be less than the HMG, but the "lighting people on fire" part comes witch continuous damage over time. It should be able to not only light enemies on fire which does continuous damage, but it should also be usable for scorching the inanimate objects like the ground to seal off paths to enemies; this would make it a great area denial weapon. [Why it won't be overpowered] Less range than HMG, and less damage per second. [Skills] Plasma flamethrower operation: 3% damage bonus to all fires started. Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% fire duration per level [Variants] Burst: Fires in powerful semiautomatic bursts, and would basically be a heavy shotgun. Tactical: Bigger magazine, more range, but less damage. Scorcher: Lower damage, but more fire duration (things stay on fire longer). Breach: Small magazine, high damage. [What it could look like] It could look much like fire like this or this, though prefferably with a distinctive color like purple (game needs more color variety). It could look like lightning like this or this since lightning fits the definition of plasma. Perhaps something in between. In case you didn't click... seriously, look at that, nature is awesome. Anyway, please CCP, let me burn people alive. Thank you for reading
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:11:00 - [2] - Quote Change the title to the appropriate race and I'll except this.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:19:00 - [3] - Quote Gallente aren't the only ones who use plasma, in Templar One, the Amarr were using arc cannons (which were said to be plasma), and plasma rifles.
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:27:00 - [4] - Quote I know, but I go based of the drone damage types ( I would go by missile damage type but the origin descriptions get inconsistent with large warheads)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:41:00 - [5] - Quote Whatever race the devs decide to give it to would be fine with me if it does come.
Raze galder Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:47:00 - [6] - Quote Would the fire be able to spread if someone came into contact with the ignited person?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.09 02:42:00 - [7] - Quote Raze galder wrote: Would the fire be able to spread if someone came into contact with the ignited person? That would be interesting, though too powerful. People one fire should do heat damage to others touching them, but the flames should not be "contagious" from person to person.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 264	Posted - 2013.02.09 03:10:00 - [8] - Quote I'm a gallente player but BURN THE HERETIC seems in line with amarrian beliefs
Irish Syn Chernova Industries 123	Posted - 2013.02.09 03:20:00 - [9] - Quote One thing to point out, your Operations and Proficiency stat boosts should be swapped. There is no weapon that gets damage boosts in Operations, that's exclusively set to Proficiency at the moment.
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.02.09 03:27:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Whatever race the devs decide to give it to would be fine with me if it does come. Agreed

Raze galder Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2013.02.09 05:29:00 - [11] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Raze galder wrote: Would the fire be able to spread if someone came into contact with the ignited person? That would be interesting, though too powerful. People one fire should do heat damage to others touching them, but the flames should not be "contagious" from person to person. Why not fire spreads and destroys that's what it does just lower the burn damage and have it burn for a predetermined time . But if they did that they would need a way to remove it unless they want to tank the damage. Like roll around in the dirt or the make an extinguisher module.
Jackof All-Trades Bojo's School of the Trades 79	Posted - 2013.02.09 08:53:00 - [12] - Quote I have issues with the lore... How would fires when spread on the ground retain a temperature strong enough to hurt a dropsuit (essentially an Iron Man suit). Aside from that, who doesn't like flamethrowers?
Galrick M'kron NECROMONGER'S 9	Posted - 2013.02.09 09:26:00 - [13] - Quote Let's say it shoots raw plasma (since plasma is ionized gas, the flame-like behavior might make sense) instead of fire. So wait, does Operations increase range or the cone's diameter (or both)? We already know proficiency increases damage.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.02.09 09:43:00 - [14] - Quote Giving a very close-range weapon to the slowest suit in the game is maybe not a very good idea. That said, it sounds like heavy weapons are being made available to every dropsuit in the future, so it might not matter anyway. I like the ground-burning idea. Thanks for trying to come up with actual gameplay reasons for including flamethrowers. Usually these threads are pretty half-baked, but I like yours.
KING ZUMA Regime Of Shadow Marines 12	Posted - 2013.02.09 11:17:00 - [15] - Quote like the idea but how would shields burn and dropsuits are designed to with stand the extreme heat of the atmospheres of some planets so it may just shoot the same temp as the air around it
Magpie Raven ZionTCD Legacy Rising 161	Posted - 2013.02.09 13:21:00 - [16] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Giving a very close-range weapon to the slowest suit in the game is maybe not a very good idea. That said, it sounds like heavy weapons are being made available to every dropsuit in the future, so it might not matter anyway. Dafuq?! this is the worst idea I have ever heard. Completely defeats re purpose of a heavy suit. Why would CCP do this. I hope it never comes to pass. By the way I like the flamethrower idea. +1 for racial variants
Don Von Hulio UnReaL. 90	Posted - 2013.02.09 14:51:00 - [17] - Quote Would it basically be a short range lightning gun? Or a short range blast, caused by the release of the super heated gas and rapid expansion. Or would it be liquid plasma harvested from clones thats infected with every disease and poison known to man, and then lit on fire upon exiting the spout.... sounds Minmatar-ish. I like the Short range blast thing, sounds cool.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.02.09 14:56:00 - [18] - Quote Magpie Raven wrote: Dafuq?! this is the worst idea I have ever heard. Completely defeats re purpose of a heavy suit. Why would CCP do this. I hope it never comes to pass. You're aware a lot of people use heavy suits with ARs and lasers and stuff, right? Heavies are good because they're super durable. The fact that they can use heavy weapons is incidental. There may be additional changes coming to heavy weapons/suits apart from that though. But yeah, it's apparently coming to pass. The CCP executive producer for Dust talked about that (plus a graphics overhaul which will bring vegetation to Dust, plus a 6-man squad limit up from 4 currently, plus the 48-player cap increase for maps, plus that dropsuits will be able to be coloured with AUR). Next build is going to be pretty heavy on new dropsuit stuff in general, including racial dropsuit variations to some extent. Maybe just for assault suits? The CCP guys were vague on that.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.10 23:07:00 - [19] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: I have issues with the lore... How would fires when spread on the ground retain a temperature strong enough to hurt a dropsuit (essentially an Iron Man suit). Aside from that, who doesn't like flamethrowers? Good point, I'm not sure actually, but regular fire around the map hurts mecs seems to hurt mercs for some reason. Maybe the fire is really really really hot? I don't know. EDIT: Actually I was wrong, those fires don't hurt you. I suppose something can be made up about the fire having a charge counter to the ionizing charge of something in our dropsuits... CCP can think up something. Don Von Hulio wrote: Would it basically be a short range lightning gun? Or a short range blast, caused by the release of the super heated gas and rapid expansion. Or would it be liquid plasma harvested from clones thats infected with every disease and poison known to man, and then lit on fire upon exiting the spout.... sounds Minmatar-ish. I like the Short range blast thing, sounds cool. The physics kind of plasma, both lightning and ionized gas fits the definition. Definitely not blood plasma. Definitely short-ish range, maybe 45-50 meters. Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Giving a very close-range weapon to the slowest suit in the game is maybe not a very good idea. That said, it sounds like heavy weapons are being made available to every dropsuit in the future, so it might not matter anyway. I like the ground-burning idea. Thanks for trying to come up with actual gameplay reasons for including flamethrowers. Usually these threads are pretty half-baked, but I like yours. Fair point, though I think the ability to light things on fire for area denial would make up for it. I'm thinking of a 45-50 meter range which wouldn't be too bad.
Hellraiser Alpha Universal Allies Inc. 27	Posted - 2013.02.11 17:30:00 - [20] - Quote +1000000

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.16 01:59:00 - [21] - Quote http://digital-art-gallery.com/picture/big/16367
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 413	Posted - 2013.02.16 02:24:00 - [22] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: But yeah, it's apparently coming to pass. The CCP executive producer for Dust talked about that (plus a graphics overhaul which will bring vegetation to Dust, plus a 6-man squad limit up from 4 currently, plus the 48-player cap increase for maps, plus that dropsuits will be able to be coloured with AUR). Next build is going to be pretty heavy on new dropsuit stuff in general, including racial dropsuit variations to some extent. Maybe just for assault suits? The CCP guys were vague on that. Can you provide a link or source for the Heavy Weapon info, please? I keep hearing people talk about it, but I've never seen a direct source.
Kincate Algintal Core Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2013.02.16 02:26:00 - [23] - Quote meh Ill throw a +1 to this, why not right?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.16 02:39:00 - [24] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: But yeah, it's apparently coming to pass. The CCP executive producer for Dust talked about that (plus a graphics overhaul which will bring vegetation to Dust, plus a 6-man squad limit up from 4 currently, plus the 48-player cap increase for maps, plus that dropsuits will be able to be coloured with AUR). Next build is going to be pretty heavy on new dropsuit stuff in general, including racial dropsuit variations to some extent. Maybe just for assault suits? The CCP guys were vague on that. Can you provide a link or source for the Heavy Weapon info, please? I keep hearing people talk about it, but I've never seen a direct source. No mention of heavy weapons being available for all suits, though a trailer did show an assault suit using a forge gun (also there was an assault suit in the fitting section with 2 light slots): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnt1tTlnqfY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TSw6mqiWyg Something like this would make
Vel'sar Altruin Shadow Company HQ 5	Posted - 2013.02.16 02:42:00 - [25] - Quote Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 235	Posted - 2013.02.16 06:57:00 - [26] - Quote +1
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.17 05:46:00 - [27] - Quote Anyone else want to burn people alive?
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 907	Posted - 2013.02.17 06:19:00 - [28] - Quote I approve the use of flamethrowers to purify those who would stand in the way of the Amarr. *DISCLAIMER Kain does not support the eradication of the Minmatar people and doesn't support Ammarian enslavement of the Minmatar people.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:14:00 - [29] - Quote /me burns down all other inferior "flamethrower" threads
Professormohawk Stasis Military Support 22	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:19:00 - [30] - Quote dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:24:00 - [31] - Quote Professormohawk wrote: dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr.
Terry Webber Gothic Wars Consortium 35	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:00:00 - [32] - Quote I am in total support of this. Pyromaniacs would go crazy for it.
Hunter Junko WARRIORS 1NC 45	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:38:00 - [33] - Quote Vel'sar Altruin wrote: Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3
Victor Czar Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.02.18 11:04:00 - [34] - Quote While I would like a flamethrower to be added into dust I would prefer if it didn't use plasma. The only reason I don't want it to use plasma is because unless contained by a magnetic field or else heated to the point where it can vaporize a dropsuit in a millisecond, Plasma will just explode due to the amount of thermal energy in it. I'd much prefer the "flamethrower" to basically be an LTB-P from Syndicate entirely because it's a gun that shoots Thermite. It's ridiculously awesome and a great deal more realistic. Also it shoots Thermite did I mention that? Cause it totally shoots Thermite. From what I understand, plasma physics are weird. Past a certain temperature it'll start to get denser.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 761	Posted - 2013.02.18 11:09:00 - [35] - Quote This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner.

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 155	Posted - 2013.02.18 12:07:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner. Despite having quite a discerning eye, I could not make out anything that looked remotely like a kitchen in my quarters. Unless what I assumed to be a urinal is actually a microwave. Unappetising at best. In regards to the flamethrower in combat: if laser rifles can ignite whatever fuel the flamethrower requires and turn flamethrower wielders into fireballs of their own, I'm all for upping its power.
Nidhogg Valkyrian Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.02.18 12:55:00 - [37] - Quote nice. Gimme a model with longer range and tighter cone for those single targets,or a charge version that tightens the spread and increases the range at higher ammo consumption rate the longer u hold the fire button.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:05:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner. I want to burn people and eat them now. Gun sounds really convenient for cannibalistic cooking.
BL4CK FRIAR Defiant Kelkoons 17	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:46:00 - [39] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner. I want to burn people and eat them now. Gun sounds really convenient for cannibalistic cooking. Good to see that the Blood Raiders Covenant have a following in DUST as well.
Zaitsev Savior PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 2	Posted - 2013.02.19 02:11:00 - [40] - Quote How about to use it, you need a lvl 2 heavy variant dropsuit. A dropsuit that is fire proof so that you don't catch on fire. Using cheaper militia suits are acceptable but every once and while you'll feel the heat affecting you too.

Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 93	Posted - 2013.02.19 02:57:00 - [41] - Quote +1 for awesomesauce.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2013.02.19 03:02:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner. Amarr need to HTFU- I've had a spit rigged up on a friend's ship.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.24 08:33:00 - [43] - Quote I still want
HUGO SHTIGLETZ RestlessSpirits 16	Posted - 2013.02.24 11:08:00 - [44] - Quote flame throwers are (by the time this game takes place) an outdated for of combat... if they did make one i hope its a ghetto looking duct tape pile of garbage made by the minmatar race... dated tech would then make sense. when i say garbage im referring to appearance not functionality.
Vel'sar Altruin Shadow Company HQ 5	Posted - 2013.02.24 11:48:00 - [45] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: Vel'sar Altruin wrote: Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3 What chapter and book though ;)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:36:00 - [46] - Quote I still want to burn people. Standard Plasma Flamethrower Damage: 420 (estimate) per second (more than AR, less than HMG) Persistent burning damage: 30 per second Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching it) Range: 50 meters Magazine size: enough for 7 seconds of continuous fire Capacity: 3 magazines worth
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 4	Posted - 2013.02.27 00:06:00 - [47] - Quote Would be cool if you could tighten/loosen the spread of the flame thereby changing distance and damage.
Godin Thekiller KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 15	Posted - 2013.02.27 01:10:00 - [48] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Professormohawk wrote: dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. Flaylock pistol is Caldari
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2013.02.27 01:31:00 - [49] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Professormohawk wrote: dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. Flaylock pistol is Caldari Nope, look at that brown: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/63557/1/2500x1200-Minmatar-Flaylock-Pistol.jpg When you try to right click and save, it says Minmatar.
Tobi night Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:57:00 - [50] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Yes this is another flamethrower thread, but unlike the others, I intend to flesh out details beyond "I want something that shoots fire", and explain why it would be a great addition to Dust 514's arsenal. [Why a (plasma) flamethrower?] Visually, there is something really beautiful and scary about a fire (or something fire-like such as plasma), could be the caveman fascination with fire. Flamethrowers are always always fun, and that's why its the most commonly requested weapon type in Dust 514... seriously, search "flame thrower" or "flamethrower". This requested A LOT. Increasing the game's variety of exotic weapons is good. The Amarr are the only ones with a heavy suit (for now), but they have no heavy weapon to go with it. The Amarr used heavy plasma weapons in Templar One, so it fits. [How it should work] It should be a heavy weapon. It should fire in a cone similar to the shotgun, but with less spread. The cone fire would allow it to hitmultiple targets at once. It should have less range than the HMG, but more range than the shotgun. Damage per second should initially be less than the HMG, but the "lighting people on fire" part comes witch continuous damage over time. It should be able to not only light enemies on fire which does continuous damage, but it should also be usable for scorching the inanimate objects like the ground to seal off paths to enemies; this would make it a great area denial weapon. [Why it won't be overpowered] Less range than HMG, and less damage per second. [Skills] Plasma flamethrower operation: 3% damage bonus to all fires started. Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% fire duration per level [Variants] Burst: Fires in powerful semiautomatic bursts, and would basically be a heavy shotgun. Tactical: Bigger magazine, more range, but less damage. Scorcher: Lower damage, but more fire duration (things stay on fire longer). Breach: Small magazine, high damage. [What it could look like] It could look much like fire like this or this, though prefferably with a distinctive color like purple (game needs more color variety). It could look like lightning like this or this since lightning fits the definition of plasma. Perhaps something in between. In case you didn't click... seriously, look at that, nature is awesome. Anyway, please CCP, let me burn people alive. Thank you for reading how about a unfocused laser weapon, would use all the same weapon skills as the laser rifle, but would be a unfocus laser with a wide spread and not nearly as damaging and with a massive spread it would act like a flamethrower from other games but seems adequetely eve like

Professormohawk Stasis Military Support 23	Posted - 2013.02.27 04:34:00 - [51] - Quote just for clarity's sake, the Amaar Flamethrower is not limited to Amaar Mercs?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3067	Posted - 2013.02.27 05:17:00 - [52] - Quote Professormohawk wrote: just for clarity's sake, the Amaar Flamethrower is not limited to Amaar Mercs? Not limited to Amarr mercs, just like the Gallente assault rifle is not only limited to Gallente mercs.
Professormohawk Stasis Military Support 23	Posted - 2013.02.27 05:29:00 - [53] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Professormohawk wrote: just for clarity's sake, the Amaar Flamethrower is not limited to Amaar Mercs? Not limited to Amarr mercs, just like the Gallente assault rifle is not only limited to Gallente mercs. ok i see.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3104	Posted - 2013.03.05 10:40:00 - [54] - Quote Anyone else want to roast their fellow mercs?
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 456	Posted - 2013.03.05 11:49:00 - [55] - Quote What about vehicle damage? It would be nice to at least have 1 weapon that are effective against both infantry and vehicles.
Garvick Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2013.03.05 16:12:00 - [56] - Quote Forge gun is good against infantry too, it just takes practice.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3158	Posted - 2013.03.14 09:25:00 - [57] - Quote I pray to Prometheus for the flame.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. 39	Posted - 2013.03.14 10:33:00 - [58] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I pray to Prometheus for the flame. +1. Great idea and well presented to boot!
Kray Dytt THE DOLLARS 19	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:23:00 - [59] - Quote You had me at "I want something that shoots fire" ;) Seriously though, I like the idea. Introducing a DOT mechanic is interesting and the being able to set the ground on fire rocks :)
Ultra Boomer3 HavoK Core 51	Posted - 2013.03.14 13:02:00 - [60] - Quote This would help me get rid of this livestock some capsuleer keeps dropping off in my station.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3179	Posted - 2013.03.16 05:02:00 - [61] - Quote I still want to burn people
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 473	Posted - 2013.03.16 05:07:00 - [62] - Quote I still want the legal rights of plasma to stay in gallente hands
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3208	Posted - 2013.03.21 07:14:00 - [63] - Quote I wish to become a god of blood and flame, melting the flesh of enemies with ionizing plasma! I wish to walk across a battlefield littered with the burning remains of thousands of enemies, and to crush their charred skulls under my heavy boot. Make it happen CCP
Falco Bombardi Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 3	Posted - 2013.03.23 18:40:00 - [64] - Quote Val'herik Dorn wrote: I'm a gallente player but BURN THE HERETIC seems in line with amarrian beliefs FOR THE EMPEROR!
Negris Albedo Nuevo Atlas Corporation 5	Posted - 2013.03.23 19:03:00 - [65] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Gallente aren't the only ones who use plasma, in Templar One, the Amarr were using arc cannons (which were said to be plasma), and plasma rifles. Sure, they USE it, but it's not like they developed it. In the same sense, the Myrmidon works well with projectile turrets in EVE, but that doesn't mean Gallente developed Minmatar Weaponry.
Savage Mangler DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 20:34:00 - [66] - Quote Vel'sar Altruin wrote: Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Pasanius Lysane, Veteran Sergeant of the 4th company of the Ultramarines. He's one of the main characters from the Ultramarine novels/omnibuses. Favored weapon was the heavy flamer if I remember right.
Falco Bombardi Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2013.03.24 23:06:00 - [67] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Vel'sar Altruin wrote: Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Pasanius Lysane, Veteran Sergeant of the 4th company of the Ultramarines. He's one of the main characters from the Ultramarine novels/omnibuses. Favored weapon was the heavy flamer if I remember right. "We fight for Macragge! For ISK!"
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3252	Posted - 2013.03.27 03:39:00 - [68] - Quote /me lights other weapon request threads on fire
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 385	Posted - 2013.03.30 01:58:00 - [69] - Quote +1 approval from another heavy, seriously, we only got 2 weapons, gimme already!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3306	Posted - 2013.04.02 09:08:00 - [70] - Quote The Cult of Prometheus shall rise! Bring us the flame!

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2338	Posted - 2013.04.02 09:48:00 - [71] - Quote Flamey goodness? Cleansing fire? SPLODE? +1
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 167	Posted - 2013.04.02 09:50:00 - [72] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: The Cult of Prometheus shall rise! Bring us the flame! If every faction had a weapon similar to this: Minmatar = Flamethrower Gallente = Plasma Jet Caldari = Rapid Troll Mini-Rocket Launcher Amarr = Electromagnetic Radiation Shooter
Drecain Midular DUST University Ivy League 5	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:07:00 - [73] - Quote HUGO SHTIGLETZ wrote: flame throwers are (by the time this game takes place) an outdated for of combat... if they did make one i hope its a ghetto looking duct tape pile of garbage made by the minmatar race... dated tech would then make sense. when i say garbage im referring to appearance not functionality. What this guy said. Amarr use lazors, killing lowtech style is matari territory. Killing with fire is about as lowtech as it gets :)
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 41	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:20:00 - [74] - Quote Makre sure if you implement flame throwers that you turn on friendly fire Beacuse Flamethrowers are Awesome
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 9	Posted - 2013.04.07 00:19:00 - [75] - Quote wonderful idea but... you should have to also add a module onto the suit like a fire retardant suit mod for heavies that protects them from the heat of there own flamethrower and also i think that there should be extinguisher grenades to put the fire out on you and your allies and kills the pilot light on there flame throwers and they have to light it again taking 5 seconds to relite it or something?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 457	Posted - 2013.04.07 00:27:00 - [76] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Yes this is another flamethrower thread, but unlike the others, I intend to flesh out details beyond "I want something that shoots fire", and explain why it would be a great addition to Dust 514's arsenal. [Why a (plasma) flamethrower?] Visually, there is something really beautiful and scary about a fire (or something fire-like such as plasma), could be the caveman fascination with fire. Flamethrowers are always always fun, and that's why its the most commonly requested weapon type in Dust 514... seriously, search "flame thrower" or "flamethrower". This requested A LOT. Increasing the game's variety of exotic weapons is good. The Amarr are the only ones with a heavy suit (for now), but they have no heavy weapon to go with it. The Amarr used heavy plasma weapons in Templar One, so it fits. [How it should work] It should be a heavy weapon. It should fire in a cone similar to the shotgun, but with less spread. The cone fire would allow it to hitmultiple targets at once. It should have less range than the HMG, but more range than the shotgun. Damage per second should initially be less than the HMG, but the "lighting people on fire" part comes witch continuous damage over time. It should be able to not only light enemies on fire which does continuous damage, but it should also be usable for scorching the inanimate objects like the ground to seal off paths to enemies; this would make it a great area denial weapon. [Why it won't be overpowered] Less range than HMG, and less damage per second. [Skills] Plasma flamethrower operation: 3% damage bonus to all fires started. Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% fire duration per level [Variants] Burst: Fires in powerful semiautomatic bursts, and would basically be a heavy shotgun. Tactical: Bigger magazine, more range, but less damage. Scorcher: Lower damage, but more fire duration (things stay on fire longer). Breach: Small magazine, high damage. [What it could look like] It could look much like fire like this or this, though prefferably with a distinctive color like purple (game needs more color variety). It could look like lightning like this or this since lightning fits the definition of plasma. Perhaps something in between. In case you didn't click... seriously, look at that, nature is awesome. Anyway, please CCP, let me burn people alive. Thank you for reading Edit: Standard Plasma Flamethrower Damage: 420 (estimate) per second (more than AR, less than HMG) Persistent burning damage: 30 per second Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching it) Range: 50 meters Magazine size: enough for 7 seconds of continuous fire Capacity: 3 magazines worth David Drake. NORTHWORLD. Really good Sci-Fi military shooter power suits......all GOOD!!! http://www.google.com.mx/search?hl=en&gs_rn=8&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=9&gs_id=57&xhr=t&q=northworld&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.b2I&biw=1025&bih=485&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=3rxgUfq
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 457	Posted - 2013.04.07 00:30:00 - [77] - Quote Drecain Midular wrote: HUGO SHTIGLETZ wrote: flame throwers are (by the time this game takes place) an outdated for of combat... if they did make one i hope its a ghetto looking duct tape pile of garbage made by the minmatar race... dated tech would then make sense. when i say garbage im referring to appearance not functionality. What this guy said. Amarr use lazors, killing lowtech style is matari territory. Killing with fire is about as lowtech as it gets :) Plasma Electric cutters in a power suit. Northworld military shooter serial story nuff said.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation 114	Posted - 2013.04.07 00:37:00 - [78] - Quote Drecain Midular wrote: HUGO SHTIGLETZ wrote: flame throwers are (by the time this game takes place) an outdated for of combat... if they did make one i hope its a ghetto looking duct tape pile of garbage made by the minmatar race... dated tech would then make sense. when i say garbage im referring to appearance not functionality. What this guy said. Amarr use lazors, killing lowtech style is matari territory. Killing with fire is about as lowtech as it gets :) KILL IT WITH FIRE
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3341	Posted - 2013.04.07 01:37:00 - [79] - Quote Guessing some people didn't fully read the OP, I'm not asking for a flamethrower that shoots regular fire, I'm asking for one that shoots plasma. Plasma is the same stuff the AR, shotgun, plasma cannon (next build), and blasters shoot. The Amarr scrambler pistol and scrambler rifle (next build) use lasers to induce a channel plasma as well. Not outdated at all.
Eris Ernaga GamersForChrist 92	Posted - 2013.04.07 04:38:00 - [80] - Quote oh god stop bumping this lol

Galrick M'kron Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 40	Posted - 2013.04.07 04:42:00 - [81] - Quote I'm all for a heavy, short range, High-damage AOE area denial weapon. +1
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3355	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:32:00 - [82] - Quote I still want it
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 10	Posted - 2013.04.08 19:53:00 - [83] - Quote wonderful idea but... you should have to also add a module onto the suit like a fire retardant suit mod for heavies that protects them from the heat of there own flamethrower and also i think that there should be extinguisher grenades to put the fire out on you and your allies and kills the pilot light on there flame throwers and they have to light it again taking 5 seconds to relite it or something? that would make flame throwers situational also :)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3363	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:01:00 - [84] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: wonderful idea but... you should have to also add a module onto the suit like a fire retardant suit mod for heavies that protects them from the heat of there own flamethrower and also i think that there should be extinguisher grenades to put the fire out on you and your allies and kills the pilot light on there flame throwers and they have to light it again taking 5 seconds to relite it or something? that would make flame throwers situational also :) We have no problems handling plasma weaponry like the AR and shotgun, woud seem odd to need a special module to handle the flamethrower if its also a plasma weapon, especially when wearing heavy armor; its not like you're shooting yourself. The flamethrowers I'm suggesting would not need a pilot light, these aren't meant to be regular flamethrowers, but something that shoots plumes of plasma (kind of like a solar flare). The range would already make them situational.
C Saunders Tech Guard 182	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:02:00 - [85] - Quote What if.... when you kill a flamethrower wielder they would explode in a ball of fire, causing damage to the surroundings as well as any unlucky enemy clones.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3363	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:05:00 - [86] - Quote C Saunders wrote: What if.... when you kill a flamethrower wielder they would explode in a ball of fire, causing damage to the surroundings as well as any unlucky enemy clones. I like this a lot.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:05:00 - [87] - Quote 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target..
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3363	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:11:00 - [88] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:17:00 - [89] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground...
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3363	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:26:00 - [90] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground... Well obviously that isn't possible right now, or every time you shot your AR it would burn a hole through the ground; we don't have environmental destruction (yet).

Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 177	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:35:00 - [91] - Quote Meanwhile in Crysis 3...
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:25:00 - [92] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground... Well obviously that isn't possible right now, or every time you shot your AR it would burn a hole through the ground; we don't have environmental destruction (yet). That isn't my point, my point is - the plasma would be more of an instant-kill rather than a DoT.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3363	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:34:00 - [93] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground... Well obviously that isn't possible right now, or every time you shot your AR it would burn a hole through the ground; we don't have environmental destruction (yet). That isn't my point, my point is - the plasma would be more of an instant-kill rather than a DoT. Not with our dropsuits. Read the descriptions of the dropsuits. Also like I said before, ARs and other weapons shoot plasma, yet those aren't instant kill against our dropsuits.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:36:00 - [94] - Quote Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3363	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:49:00 - [95] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. Without more volume =/= more concentration. the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power. Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots than an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, this would still do more damage in a second than that chunk.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.04.09 08:40:00 - [96] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. More volume =/= more concentration. Without the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power. Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, the plasma flamethrower would still do more damage in a second than that chunk. EDIT: Made some errors in the post before, fixed now. That statement is illogical, more mass fired (plasma mass requires a huge amount of energy to be heated) will definitely result in more energy (thermal damage), and subsequently more concentration...
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3372	Posted - 2013.04.09 08:54:00 - [97] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. More volume =/= more concentration. Without the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power. Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, the plasma flamethrower would still do more damage in a second than that chunk. EDIT: Made some errors in the post before, fixed now. That statement is illogical, more mass fired (plasma mass requires a huge amount of energy to be heated) will definitely result in more energy (thermal damage), and subsequently more concentration... Where are you getting the assumption that so much more mass will be fired? it could just be only slightly more mass, but only appears to be a lot more because it has more volume since it isn't being squeezed into a tiny shape by a EM field. For all you know, the mass of an AR's plasma shots could be enough to make the plume of flamethrower-like plasma bursts, and that the only real difference is the volume. Also like I said before, the plasma flamethrower will indeed do more damage than the AR.
Horse Schitt Turalyon Plus 0	Posted - 2013.04.09 11:38:00 - [98] - Quote +1
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3404	Posted - 2013.04.13 22:57:00 - [99] - Quote I want to shoot a mini solar flare in someone's face, or some lightning
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 15	Posted - 2013.04.13 23:03:00 - [100] - Quote go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3404	Posted - 2013.04.13 23:10:00 - [101] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits.
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 231	Posted - 2013.04.13 23:13:00 - [102] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below Acid is awfully inefficient as a weapon. Also, awfully rude to ask people on a suggestion thread to look at another suggestion thread that is newer than the one you are posting on to ask people to look at the newer one. Awfully rude.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3410	Posted - 2013.04.14 04:04:00 - [103] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below Acid is awfully inefficient as a weapon. Also, awfully rude to ask people on a suggestion thread to look at another suggestion thread that is newer than the one you are posting on to ask people to look at the newer one. Awfully rude. Also not nearly as cool as plasma
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 237	Posted - 2013.04.14 04:04:00 - [104] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below Acid is awfully inefficient as a weapon. Also, awfully rude to ask people on a suggestion thread to look at another suggestion thread that is newer than the one you are posting on to ask people to look at the newer one. Awfully rude. Also not nearly as cool as plasma True that.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2013.04.14 04:59:00 - [105] - Quote lol at the combo: 420 dps in a cone of pattern of a shotgun and range intermediate between SG and HMG + heavy exclusive. Yeap does indeed sound like a perfectly balanced weapon.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 858	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:04:00 - [106] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I'm pretty sure lasers are also heat based, you don't walk through lasers do you?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:05:00 - [107] - Quote The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 858	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:09:00 - [108] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies".
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 15	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:14:00 - [109] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. well sorry i didn't see it i know what plasma is its 'almost' the fourth state of matter taking on qualities of a gas and a liquid i stare at linear condensed plasma every time i play using nova knives so i know what plasma is the only problem is without the gravity slug all those other weapons use the "flame" will go straight up and evaporate a few feet from the barrel most likely roasting the person using it.... BUT if you use a conical like projection across the outer rim of the barrel it is a viable solution to making a "flame" with plasma XD of course its going to be orangeish purple looking but thats better than actual fire... it is however still the most uncivilized horrible barbaric ways to kill someone... besides probably my knives
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 858	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:16:00 - [110] - Quote Orange fire? Eff that chiz, I want purple "flames"

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3410	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:18:00 - [111] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) Here, go read. Its not my job to educate people.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3410	Posted - 2013.04.14 05:24:00 - [112] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. well sorry i didn't see it i know what plasma is its 'almost' the fourth state of matter taking on qualities of a gas and a liquid i stare at linear condensed plasma every time i play using nova knives so i know what plasma is the only problem is without the gravity slug all those other weapons use the "flame" will go straight up and evaporate a few feet from the barrel most likely roasting the person using it.... BUT if you use a conical like projection across the outer rim of the barrel it is a viable solution to making a "flame" with plasma XD of course its going to be orangeish purple looking but thats better than actual fire... it is however still the most uncivilized horrible barbaric ways to kill someone... besides probably my knives With a cone-shaped electromagnetic field being projected from the gun across the intended distance, the plasma won't stray from its intended path. What is a gravity slug?
G Torq ALTA B2O 131	Posted - 2013.04.14 08:53:00 - [113] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. Plasma is a lot safer than acid: * it disperses itself * it changes state * it doesn't pool on the floor/ground * it can be directed using EM fields
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2013.04.14 19:37:00 - [114] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) Here, go read. Its not my job to educate people. Neither is it your job to educate yourself it appears from your post. FYI flame is a form of plasma in the vast majority of its form. You know what I am saying, I am just saying.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2013.04.14 19:39:00 - [115] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I'm pretty sure lasers are also heat based, you don't walk through lasers do you? Lol lasers do not have to be 'heat based'.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2013.04.14 19:40:00 - [116] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". You kids are cute.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 867	Posted - 2013.04.15 04:08:00 - [117] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". You kids are cute. Flames are not a from of plasma. What you see as "flames" is simply super heated little particles that are glowing because of the heat, those same particles then turn into "smoke" once they lose the vast majority of that heat. The difference is that simple flames do not have enough have energy to be considered plasma. They have no electrical charge, plasma does. Some flames are plasma, but not all are: http://www.plasmacoalition.org/plasma_writeups/flame.pdf
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 149	Posted - 2013.04.16 00:31:00 - [118] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". You kids are cute. Flames are not a from of plasma. What you see as "flames" is simply super heated little particles that are glowing because of the heat, those same particles then turn into "smoke" once they lose the vast majority of that heat. The difference between the two is that simple flames do not have enough ionized particles to be considered plasma. Some flames are plasma, but not all are: http://www.plasmacoalition.org/plasma_writeups/flame.pdf We can agree that plasma is ionised matter (atoms breaking down into ions under influence of some sourt of energy) right? Most flames are hot enough to cause the particles not only to glow but to ionize too. Beyound that I think we ll be walking in circles if we continue to argue the subject.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3522	Posted - 2013.04.22 03:55:00 - [119] - Quote Still want to burn people
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3522	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:03:00 - [120] - Quote Anyone else want to burn things?

Ce Co Better Hide R Die 1	Posted - 2013.05.06 14:58:00 - [121] - Quote I think it should be Caldari weapon, taked throught espionage (stealed) from galentes in war for Caldari prime. Like new technology used in nonhuman way agaist its inventors. It should have effect like releasing stream of hot plasma stream flow (waterlike), it should be effective on close and medium range, it should be faster-eater of ammo, it should be usefull against infantry and light vehicles and it should be mounted just on heavy. Thats my vision :P
Grace ling Pearl Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.05.06 16:03:00 - [122] - Quote Flamethrower would be great! I've been playing since 2/13 and I always though the heavy wasn't a HEAVY. I had all my basics to 5, so I got a proto suit and Proto HMG and the works. I stood toe 2 toe with players with a light suit and an Assault gun, low and behold 75% of the time they took me out. A proto hmg should out gun an assault rifle at close range anytime anywhere. I think even your basic Heavy and hmg should take a beating but instead its like a leaf getting shot! Ps. I also had sharpshooter trained to 5 as well as Shield and Armor with the best o r close. Just my opinion.
Ce Co Better Hide R Die 1	Posted - 2013.05.06 18:31:00 - [123] - Quote Iam still like, after new build update, there is nothing much for Heavies. I was assault, I sawp for logistic and now iam Heavie and i i feel like this idea for Anti-Infantry/Anti-Armor builds of sentinel class shoul be awesome like HMG/Forgie crossover. Imagine flowing streams of hot plasma melting throught Akuma chassis or disintegratind enemy suit. Thsi idea shlould not be forgoten one. PlasmaThrower have really big potencial in dust like another special Heavysuit support tool in DUST 514.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3904	Posted - 2013.05.18 09:10:00 - [124] - Quote /me ignites thread back to the front page
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.05.18 10:08:00 - [125] - Quote the flame thrower would have given sense to the sentinel bonus
iLLMaTiC619 KiLo. 64	Posted - 2013.05.18 16:58:00 - [126] - Quote Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote: Change the title to the appropriate race and I'll except this. Amarr is the right race.. my race :) sorry buddy hahah
Skilfer Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 32	Posted - 2013.05.18 17:30:00 - [127] - Quote In New Eden, the Federation and State made Hybrid Weapons(Blasters and Rails respectfully) use plasma, the Minmatar made Projectile Weapons(Artillery and Autocannons) use...projectiles, and Ammarian made Laser Weapons(Pulse and Beam) use electromagnetic energy in the form of light that is polarized via frequency crystals that, based on the frequency being isolated, determines range and damage. Summery: We could have an.. Unpolarized (Multifrequency for those of you EVE players), high-energy Beam Laser by the Amarr, A shorter, more damaging plasma version with a wider beam by the Gallente A longer, narrower beam plasma version with less damage by the Caldari Or just a straight-up traditional flamethrower with extreme temperature(blue/white flame) fire by the Minmatar Overall, I really like the idea presented here :)
Smoky The Bear Silent Stalkerz Hephaestus Forge Alliance 64	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:23:00 - [128] - Quote dont bother with this weapon.. Im sure they will pre=nerf it , then refuse to fix it.. Then make a new gun
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4387	Posted - 2013.06.16 05:28:00 - [129] - Quote I still want people to burn
Richard Hansaw Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.06.16 06:14:00 - [130] - Quote So you want this to be like a plasma torch, but huge.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5603	Posted - 2013.08.30 15:51:00 - [131] - Quote Still want
Keri Starlight Psygod9 164	Posted - 2013.08.30 15:58:00 - [132] - Quote I requested exactly a Plasma Flame Thrower (purple flames, of course) time ago as Gallente(?) Heavy weapon. I think Plasma technology is Gallente, but correct me if I'm wrong. So, yeah, +1.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5604	Posted - 2013.08.30 16:04:00 - [133] - Quote Originally suggested this as an Amarr weapon, but Gallente would fit more.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 134	Posted - 2013.08.30 16:15:00 - [134] - Quote Reverseengineering a burst plasma weapon to make it discharge unfocused streams of plasma? Sounds like Min to me. Also it being a particle accelerator of sorts, or a mobile microwave would make more sense lore-wise imo.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 41	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:29:00 - [135] - Quote Can we have this then an immediate PvE event where aliens are coming and we need to roast them for a tribal snack or something? Seriously...what does bbq alien species taste like I wonder....
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 606	Posted - 2013.08.31 00:50:00 - [136] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning Mercs a way to cook dinner. Despite having quite a discerning eye, I could not make out anything that looked remotely like a kitchen in my quarters. Unless what I assumed to be a urinal is actually a microwave. Unappetizing at best. In regards to the flamethrower in combat: if laser rifles can ignite whatever fuel the flamethrower requires and turn flamethrower wielders into fireballs of their own, I'm all for upping its power. Mercs never eat or use the toilet. They suicide and switch to a new clone.
Thurak1 Psygod9 83	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:49:00 - [137] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner. Despite having quite a discerning eye, I could not make out anything that looked remotely like a kitchen in my quarters. Unless what I assumed to be a urinal is actually a microwave. Unappetising at best. In regards to the flamethrower in combat: if laser rifles can ignite whatever fuel the flamethrower requires and turn flamethrower wielders into fireballs of their own, I'm all for upping its power. MRE's have evolved into pill form so that the merc on the go does not need to "eat" just swallow your daily dose of pills and your good to go. This also aleviates the need for bathrooms. Since you wear a dropsuit there is little need for personal hygene while on the job.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5655	Posted - 2013.09.01 04:23:00 - [138] - Quote I still want to burn people alive.
Baltazar Pontain Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.09.01 12:49:00 - [139] - Quote I like weapons that need some skill to be used. In case of a flamethrower I would like to see the "liquid" behaviour. If you turn fast, the stream of plasma is not right their. It need to build up the steady stream after turning. Burning plasma on the ground is hot (for some seconds) and can damage objects running over it (friend and foe). Skills could be: +X% on burn time (on the ground and subjects covered with it). +X% on pressure (enabling to fire over longer distances) So for me a flamethrower would have no srpead effect. It would be more a flamethrower like in WW2.
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 305	Posted - 2013.09.01 14:58:00 - [140] - Quote Guess what just got bumped? This thread.

Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 237	Posted - 2013.09.01 16:01:00 - [141] - Quote Some version of this seems like a good idea. I'd call it something other than a "flamethrower," but that word makes sense for describing what is being asked for. If it's plasma, it definitely makes sense for it to be Gallentean. An Amarr heavy weapon should be something based on laser or EM tech; that's their forte.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5758	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:23:00 - [142] - Quote Still would be cool
501st Headstrong Super Nerds 0	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:35:00 - [143] - Quote [b wrote: [Attributes][/b] Standard Plasma Flamethrower Damage: 420 (estimate) per second (more than AR, less than HMG) Persistent burning damage: 30 per second Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching it) Range: 50 meters Magazine size: enough for 7 seconds of continuous fire Capacity: 3 magazines worth [ Anyway, please CCP, let me burn people alive. Thank you for reading First of all, 420 per second is basically an insta-kill. While that is to be expected, at least have a quarter of that so a wielder cannot pop out of cover, do a short burst that kills 3 people, and then seal off the doorway behind him/her. 2- I laughed so hard when you asked CCP to let you burn people alive. Good one! Overall, great idea, hope it becomes reality.
Slender Night Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 0	Posted - 2013.09.06 05:57:00 - [144] - Quote considering how i love fire haha and i think that the weapons selection for heavys is way too limited i think this would be a great idea.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1677	Posted - 2013.09.06 06:30:00 - [145] - Quote Slender Night wrote: considering how i love fire haha and i think that the weapons selection for heavys is way too limited i think this would be a great idea. NIGHT! YOU SEXY DEVIL!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 102	Posted - 2013.09.06 07:04:00 - [146] - Quote I think it would be better if the Tactical variant functioned like the Incinerator from fallout 3, it would be like a semiautomatic Plasma Cannon but with a much lower damage, like 40 damage per shot, with the burn effect for 30 dps, and a splash of about 2m diameter. Image Video Just give it a Gallente Green finish and you're good to go!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6066	Posted - 2013.09.20 07:32:00 - [147] - Quote Want
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6157	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:18:00 - [148] - Quote My desire for fire is quite dire!
Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 177	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:25:00 - [149] - Quote still a great idea
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:25:00 - [150] - Quote with lower dps, a larger clip, and persistent burn doing 50-100dps, I one hundred 100% love this idea.

hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:27:00 - [151] - Quote Victor Czar wrote: While I would like a flamethrower to be added into dust I would prefer if it didn't use plasma. The only reason I don't want it to use plasma is because unless contained by a magnetic field or else heated to the point where it can vaporize a dropsuit in a millisecond, Plasma will just explode due to the amount of thermal energy in it. I'd much prefer the "flamethrower" to basically be an LTB-P from Syndicate entirely because it's a gun that shoots Thermite. It's ridiculously awesome and a great deal more realistic. Also it shoots Thermite did I mention that? Cause it totally shoots Thermite. From what I understand, plasma physics are weird. Past a certain temperature it'll start to get denser. ok instead of bitching about peoples lack of science knowledge im leaving this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i2lhO3bSjQ maybe that will stick. tho to tell the truth I like the idea of napalm my self
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:32:00 - [152] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What about vehicle damage? It would be nice to at least have 1 weapon that are effective against both infantry and vehicles. truthfully I could see this being acceptable at 50%ish damage to vehicles
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:33:00 - [153] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: I still want the legal rights of plasma to stay in gallente hands you lost that right when you split with the caldari.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:39:00 - [154] - Quote C Saunders wrote: What if.... when you kill a flamethrower wielder they would explode in a ball of fire, causing damage to the surroundings as well as any unlucky enemy clones. that sounds like it would be really difficult to implement, I mean why go thur the trouble for the BEST IDEA EVER!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:45:00 - [155] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. whaaaaaaaaaa???? you really want to be nit picky about this Idea????? fine its a god damn plasma thrower!!! gahhhh the name doesn't have to be god damn accurate it has to explain it or should we rename "move" on a computer to "copy and remove from file table" to satisfy your ******* semantics.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:48:00 - [156] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: 'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground... ??????? oh you are just being stupid never mind.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:01:00 - [157] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below ..........................................
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:18:00 - [158] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? well not much different, in fact depending on the flame you got plasma their. Basically plasma is matter that is excited enough that the atoms are ionized(basically the atoms are so excited that some or all of their electrons are actually stripped off), this leads to the plasma on top of being hot being affected strongly by magnetisim and are conductive. Plasma can range widely in temperature.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:21:00 - [159] - Quote G Torq wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. Plasma is a lot safer than acid: * it disperses itself * it changes state * it doesn't pool on the floor/ground * it can be directed using EM fields less damaging to structure we are fighting for.(ducks orbital)
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:26:00 - [160] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". You kids are cute. Flames are not a from of plasma. What you see as "flames" is simply super heated little particles that are glowing because of the heat, those same particles then turn into "smoke" once they lose the vast majority of that heat. The difference between the two is that simple flames do not have enough ionized particles to be considered plasma. Some flames are plasma, but not all are: http://www.plasmacoalition.org/plasma_writeups/flame.pdf We can agree that plasma is ionised matter (atoms breaking down into ions under influence of some sourt of energy) right? Most flames are hot enough to cause the particles not only to glow but to ionize too. Beyound that I think we ll be walking in circles if we continue to argue the subject. not unless it emmits uv light

Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 542	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:26:00 - [161] - Quote Yes to plasma flamethrower.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:27:00 - [162] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Anyone else want to burn things? ME!!!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:29:00 - [163] - Quote Baltazar Pontain wrote: I like weapons that need some skill to be used. In case of a flamethrower I would like to see the "liquid" behaviour. If you turn fast, the stream of plasma is not right their. It need to build up the steady stream after turning. Burning plasma on the ground is hot (for some seconds) and can damage objects running over it (friend and foe). Skills could be: +X% on burn time (on the ground and subjects covered with it). +X% on pressure (enabling to fire over longer distances) So for me a flamethrower would have no srpead effect. It would be more a flamethrower like in WW2. not enough game do this properly.
waffle pie D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:44:00 - [164] - Quote yeah i do agree with what you got but i think the plasma thrower/ flame thrower should be a only heavy wep causs i dont want to see scouts running around lighting ppl on fire causs that would kinda ruin the point, not to mention relisticaly carry the fuel for a flame thrower/plasma thrower would be pretty heavy so really only a heavy should be able to carry it.Also, we do need a new wep for the heavy and a wep good at close range and mid range for the heavy would be nice,.Plus for the ppl who are bad at aiming the fmale/plasma thrower would be good for new players.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 308	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:44:00 - [165] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: Vel'sar Altruin wrote: Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3 Bahh OP Spacemarine scum! Chaos FTW
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1971	Posted - 2013.09.25 03:47:00 - [166] - Quote Maybe it couldn't have a lot of base damage but it could be a minmatar weapon made to reduce the suits defenses. Give it a fair good distance but not ridiculous. Not a heavy weapon but a light support weapon that a logi would have.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 94	Posted - 2013.09.25 19:49:00 - [167] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Hunter Junko wrote: Vel'sar Altruin wrote: Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3 Bahh OP Spacemarine scum! Chaos FTW Damn...saw this too late. Ultramarines have a flag pole stuck up there a$$.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 344	Posted - 2013.09.25 22:32:00 - [168] - Quote Unfortunately the current incarnation of the HMG fills most of this role already.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 995	Posted - 2013.09.25 22:43:00 - [169] - Quote Fire is plasma. So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire. It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6194	Posted - 2013.09.25 22:59:00 - [170] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Unfortunately the current incarnation of the HMG fills most of this role already. IMO, the HMG's range is way too short.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6194	Posted - 2013.09.25 23:00:00 - [171] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Fire is plasma. So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire. It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6293	Posted - 2013.09.29 05:08:00 - [172] - Quote http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/157403/flamethrower-o.gif
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 47	Posted - 2013.09.29 05:22:00 - [173] - Quote I just thought about it and it was epic... PSHHHHh (BURN BISH)
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 177	Posted - 2013.09.29 05:51:00 - [174] - Quote Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose? Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames? Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire? Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6295	Posted - 2013.09.29 06:03:00 - [175] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose? Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames? Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire? Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range.
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 177	Posted - 2013.09.29 06:30:00 - [176] - Quote Without the fuel, I don't believe the suits alone would be sufficient to sustain the plasma flame. Well, lore technicalities aside, your purposed flame thrower is a unique weapon and this game needs more unique and exotic weapons. +2
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6297	Posted - 2013.09.29 06:40:00 - [177] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Without the fuel, I don't believe the suits alone would be sufficient to sustain the plasma flame. Well, lore technicalities aside, your purposed flame thrower is a unique weapon and this game needs more unique and exotic weapons. +2 I didn't say there wouldn't be fuel, just that I don't see the need to have it exposed for people to shoot at. Also, thanks, glad you like the idea.
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 177	Posted - 2013.09.29 08:01:00 - [178] - Quote What I meant was that without applying fuel to the target, the plasma flame probably wouldn't sustain itself on the target to do damage over time. But that's lore tech BS that's not as important as gameplay. :P Also, if the gun did fire ignited fuel, anything hit would have to burn for a while and I don't think CCP has the technical resources to pull that off yet.
X7 lion Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 30	Posted - 2013.09.29 08:16:00 - [179] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner. mmmmm nothing beats steak cooked by high energy material.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 322	Posted - 2013.09.29 09:45:00 - [180] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Hunter Junko wrote: Vel'sar Altruin wrote: Burn baby burn, disco inferno! No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer. Pasanius! All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3 Bahh OP Spacemarine scum! Chaos FTW Kitten that, give me Necron Gauss weaponry!

Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2013.09.29 10:36:00 - [181] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: medomai grey wrote: Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose? Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames? Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire? Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 768	Posted - 2013.09.29 12:08:00 - [182] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. Funny. Even funnier when the concept of Plasma is applied to a Flame Thrower. Not gonna happen. Physics is funny that way. Drop the connection, no more Plasma as it is not really a flame as such. Looks pretty though. Although there was a Dev post commenting on HAGEHOSHI carrying a huge tank on his back that was destructible. Borderlands had several like that. Great explosions with operators death animations and everything.
Joel II X AHPA 1	Posted - 2013.09.29 13:35:00 - [183] - Quote You know what would be even more visually appealing? A lightningthrower (Jak 3, anybody?)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6302	Posted - 2013.09.29 19:44:00 - [184] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: medomai grey wrote: Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose? Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames? Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire? Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better. I suppose you think a shotgun 1shot-killing someone at CQC, or an HMG is also an "I WIN" button.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6302	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:01:00 - [185] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. Funny. Even funnier when the concept of Plasma is applied to a Flame Thrower. Not gonna happen. Physics is funny that way. Drop the connection, no more Plasma as it is not really a flame as such. Looks pretty though. Although there was a Dev post commenting on HAGEHOSHI carrying a huge tank on his back that was destructible. Borderlands had several like that. Great explosions with operators death animations and everything. The fuel (the same kind AR/shotgun/plasma cannon ammo uses) combusts within the gun resulting in plasma, and is projected outward a relatively short distance using a electromagnetic field. Perhaps it could just shoot the fuel itself as its being ignited. Could also imagine it as a giant enhanced plasma torch. What does it even matter, its a video game. Its not like Dust has been exactly true to physics or even logic; orbital strikes have no effects on enemy MCCs, lack of friendly fire is pubs and FW, swarm launcher tracking and range is insanely limited for a high tech space-faring race with space-bending warp technology, inertial dampeners have no basis in real physics at all (only a science fiction invention); there is no actual physical way to reduce an object's mass and negate inertia. For the sake of balance, gameplay, and fun games make exceptions to the laws of physics, and that is OK because this is not a physics similar, its a damn VIDEO GAME.
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 347	Posted - 2013.09.29 23:15:00 - [186] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: medomai grey wrote: Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose? Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames? Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire? Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better. I suppose you think a shotgun 1shot-killing someone at CQC, or an HMG is also an "I WIN" button. What I'm hearing is a continual uninterrupted stream of damage with high DOT being thrown out and swept back and forth washing over everything that the sweep covers. Example: Come around the corner and see 3 to 5 enemy mercs. Hold down the fire button and sweep 180 in .25 seconds setting them all ablaze and drop back behind cover and move on. DOT kills enemy. Max reward with minimal risk or challenge. There's been no mention of a time limit of the burn, just that they burn till they die. And the dispersion of the HMG wouldn't apply to this weapon so giving it a lower damage per shot means little to nothing and the direct damage application would be more akin to the laser rifle.
Arc-08 Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 102	Posted - 2013.09.29 23:32:00 - [187] - Quote I'd love to see the introduction of fire into the game. and temperature. that way if you try to bring a flamethrower, or even a plasma thrower into the game, but it's too cold, or there isn't any oxygen, then you get a tiny spark that does 10 damage to anyone .5 meters away from you XD. But in a future update, possibly a 2.? we'll get some different planets with details on atmoshphere and temperature. Also would be cool, if a plasma thrower melted snow into water, and then water into a steam like fog to cover your escape.
Beforcial REAPERS REPUBLIC 21	Posted - 2013.09.29 23:40:00 - [188] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Professormohawk wrote: dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. you forgot the forgun as caldari
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6308	Posted - 2013.09.30 00:07:00 - [189] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: medomai grey wrote: Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose? Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames? Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire? Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better. I suppose you think a shotgun 1shot-killing someone at CQC, or an HMG is also an "I WIN" button. What I'm hearing is a continual uninterrupted stream of damage with high DOT being thrown out and swept back and forth washing over everything that the sweep covers. Example: Come around the corner and see 3 to 5 enemy mercs. Hold down the fire button and sweep 180 in .25 seconds setting them all ablaze and drop back behind cover and move on. DOT kills enemy. Max reward with minimal risk or challenge. There's been no mention of a time limit of the burn, just that they burn till they die. And the dispersion of the HMG wouldn't apply to this weapon so giving it a lower damage per shot means little to nothing and the direct damage application would be more akin to the laser rifle. Once again REREAD THE OP. I don't know where you're getting the idea that the burn would be infinite, I stated in the OP that it should last 5 seconds on armored/shielded things (like dropsuits), and 15 seconds on objects without protection. Even if you didn't notice that, the fact that I have one of the skill bonuses increase the burn duration should have made it obvious that I don't want it to last forever, or else what would be the point of making it last longer if its already infinite? I'll make it easy for you: "Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% burn duration per level Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching them)" HMG dispersion is meaningless in close range. The base damage plus the DOT damage is 450; that is still a HUGE decrease from the 530+ DPS of the HMG. Also with its extremely limited range (only has optimal and absolute range are the same) makes it very risky to use since cover would be absolutely required, and make venturing out into the open a massive risk.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1046	Posted - 2013.09.30 00:23:00 - [190] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Fire is plasma. So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire. It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma. Second paragraph. I'm zmartz.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6308	Posted - 2013.09.30 01:20:00 - [191] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Fire is plasma. So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire. It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma. Second paragraph. I'm zmartz. You're right, fire can be plasma if hot enough, but plasma is not exclusively fire. Example: it can be lightning as well. Not all plasma is fire.
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 348	Posted - 2013.09.30 01:21:00 - [192] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aside from you just being plain wrong, would it be so hard to give some constructive criticism? Do you just have to go rudely accusing me of wanting an "I win" button? There are actually polite ways of bringing up an issue without being a... well, you know. Going to study for an exam now. My mistake. At least I'll admit it. I need NoDoz when I do this crap after being up for too many hours. o7 But it still looks like an easy kill CQC weapon.
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 348	Posted - 2013.09.30 01:28:00 - [193] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Aside from you just being plain wrong, would it be so hard to give some constructive criticism? Do you just have to go rudely accusing me of wanting an "I win" button? There are actually polite ways of bringing up an issue without being a... well, you know. Going to study for an exam now. My mistake. At least I'll admit it. I need NoDoz when I do this crap after being up for too many hours. o7 But it still looks like an easy kill CQC weapon. After taking another look... It could be interesting but after about one third of it's optimal, it would outshine the HMG due to the HMG's drastic damage fall off due to shots missing because of dispersion. Just a fact of design after CCP broke the HMG. So this should have been what CCP should have done, or something close to it, rather than killing a weapon that was doing it's job just because AR elitists were crying over being killed by it while they were too lazy to play a tactical game against it.
501st Headstrong Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire 39	Posted - 2013.10.03 02:47:00 - [194] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: I have issues with the lore... How would fires when spread on the ground retain a temperature strong enough to hurt a dropsuit (essentially an Iron Man suit). Aside from that, who doesn't like flamethrowers? It's plasma, ionized energy, tons of electrons. Electricity, damages electrical devices, hence dropsuits. Extreme heat is just an added bonus lol
Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 179	Posted - 2013.10.03 04:48:00 - [195] - Quote since i am now partially skilled a heavy, i want this.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1344	Posted - 2013.10.03 04:51:00 - [196] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: since i am now partially skilled a heavy, i want this. Hell I didn't know you were still around, too bad I don't snipe anymore.
Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 179	Posted - 2013.10.03 04:55:00 - [197] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Hunter Junko wrote: since i am now partially skilled a heavy, i want this. Hell I didn't know you were still around, too bad I don't snipe anymore. dont see you much often either, so that makes us even i guess lol.
Summ Dude Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 44	Posted - 2013.10.03 10:18:00 - [198] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: What does it even matter, its a video game. Its not like Dust has been exactly true to physics or even logic; orbital strikes have no effects on enemy MCCs, lack of friendly fire is pubs and FW, swarm launcher tracking and range is insanely limited for a high tech space-faring race with space-bending warp technology, inertial dampeners have no basis in real physics at all (only a science fiction invention); there is no actual physical way to reduce an object's mass and negate inertia. For the sake of balance, gameplay, and fun games make exceptions to the laws of physics, and that is OK because this is not a physics similar, its a damn VIDEO GAME. While I definitely like the general idea of this gun, as well as your given scientific explanation for how it might work, but I'm afraid I must disagree with you ok this point. I would say CCP actually seems to go to great lengths to make sure every item in this setting has a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation (go read the in-game description of nanohives if you don't believe me). The lack of certain mid-battle realisms I think is more just those features not having been put in yet. All that being said, I think the general idea if being able to shoot a stream of plasma makes perfect sense in the Dust universe. Especially with (as has been pointed out) several Gallente weapons utilizing plasma already.
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 253	Posted - 2013.10.04 05:40:00 - [199] - Quote I want a heavy laser weapon if too if this gets added.
Tanis Jumes Thors Guard Adventures The Council of Yggdrasil 52	Posted - 2013.10.07 04:21:00 - [200] - Quote awesome, full support as a heavy :)

843 Epidemic Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 356	Posted - 2013.10.07 12:09:00 - [201] - Quote Bump, +1 OP However CCP will never do this, because they cannot animate anything intricate whatsoever. It took them about a year to get the MCC explosion physics the way they are, and it still looks like ****. Have you seen their attempt at flowing water? Go onto the city map with two tall towers and B is under mushroom top. Next to the A console there are several units above acid, one is broken and a liquid substance is flowing. Look at it. Let your laughter commence.
Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 207	Posted - 2013.10.27 10:42:00 - [202] - Quote give us the damn thing already D: i stockpiled alot of meat and i need a quick way to grill all these bad boys up
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3852	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:39:00 - [203] - Quote Actually, this concept is quite similar to the ever-popular "flamer" of the BattleTech(MechWarrior) universe. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Arc-08 Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 133	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:49:00 - [204] - Quote There should be another racial Rail Thrower, a caldari weapon that is much like it but it electrocutes targets. Also i think that because of the nature of the Plasma Thrower, despite it being a gallente weapon it would be more effective against armor since sheilds aren't really a physical object and would take heat damage but not so much catch on fire, whereas the rail thrower would electrocute shields for a duration but only deal shock damage to armor. Advanced Recon Commando's (A.R.C's) --- The most Elite fighting force in the galaxy
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 153	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:18:00 - [205] - Quote Arc-08 wrote: There should be another racial Rail Thrower, a caldari weapon that is much like it but it electrocutes targets. Also i think that because of the nature of the Plasma Thrower, despite it being a gallente weapon it would be more effective against armor since sheilds aren't really a physical object and would take heat damage but not so much catch on fire, whereas the rail thrower would electrocute shields for a duration but only deal shock damage to armor. You can't simply throw rail, there called railguns because the firing mechanism is a rail Your thinking of an ion distributer or gamma sprayer something to cover you in high frequency waves or particles Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 361	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:58:00 - [206] - Quote What the hell do we need a flamethrower for when we already have the very short ranged HMG? Dont tell me its gonna have even shorter range than the HMG? LOL Although flamethrowers are awesome, but they are much obsolete weapons due to inaccuracy/short range. And i think there are far more brilliant "out of the box" ideas for heavy weapons in here. Livin' large!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7219	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:19:00 - [207] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: What the hell do we need a flamethrower for when we already have the very short ranged HMG? Dont tell me its gonna have even shorter range than the HMG? LOL Although flamethrowers are awesome, but they are much obsolete weapons due to inaccuracy/short range. And i think there are far more brilliant "out of the box" ideas for heavy weapons in here. Gallente will get a heavy weapon sooner or later, and it will be shorter range than the HMG since HMG is projectile (2nd shortest range), and Gallente weapons use plasma (shortest range). Laser weapons (includes scrambler weapons) are 2nd highest in range, and railguns are highest range (forge gun is the heavy railgun). Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7251	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:38:00 - [208] - Quote FLAMETHROWER! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 170	Posted - 2013.11.27 21:09:00 - [209] - Quote Make the flamethrower overheat, but instead of shutting down and dealing a set amount of damage, like the scrambler rifles do, have it deal X damage for every second its fired over the heat limit. Suddenly sentinels bonus comes in very handy.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7422	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:03:00 - [210] - Quote I still waaaaant Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Jakobi Wan Legions of Infinite Dominion 53	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:05:00 - [211] - Quote plasma thrower? YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN how about a ******* big badass charge-to-fire widened range lazer cannon or photon cannon that only does fire/burning damage upon contact of unshielded armor... and acts something like a burst HMG in cover-popping waves/bursts or maybe even super reduced range (like breach scrambler pistol range) and give it the ability to penitrate solid walls that arnt thicker than X meters thick
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7847	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:35:00 - [212] - Quote I want to watch the world burn! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 222	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:52:00 - [213] - Quote Burn! The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 974	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:31:00 - [214] - Quote In many games the flamethowers are called 'LagThrowers'. Sadly, for a reason. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8009	Posted - 2014.01.13 07:09:00 - [215] - Quote I want! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8195	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:12:00 - [216] - Quote No one else craves the fire? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro Omega Elite Mercs INC. 64	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:28:00 - [217] - Quote Tl dr I want dat fire! FAME
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8699	Posted - 2014.01.29 17:44:00 - [218] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I wish to become a god of blood and flame, melting the flesh of enemies with ionizing plasma! I wish to walk across a battlefield littered with the burning remains of thousands of enemies, and to crush their charred skulls under my heavy boot. Make it happen CCP, and I will murder in thy name; it will be GLORIOUS! I will create an alt, and form a mad cult of war that exclusively use the plasma flamethrower. Imagine a battle where an entire team of heavies wielding plasma flamethrowers are running wild with religious fervor, speaking in ancient forbidden tongues as they massacre the unsuspecting fools that dare to defy them. My offer still stands CCP Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 4	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:00:00 - [219] - Quote I defintley love the idead of this plasma thower and how it is portrayed and the stats. It will be unique but one thing, This should be an armor based attack because odf the metal and the burning tempature of the plasma would be so high the damage against armor (being metal) would be higher then the shield. So shield resistance to plasma thower should be like 5% for all shields This would probably end up a caldari weapon being that their natural enemy is armor based (gallente)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8699	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:26:00 - [220] - Quote Emo Skellington wrote: I defintley love the idead of this plasma thower and how it is portrayed and the stats. It will be unique but one thing, This should be an armor based attack because odf the metal and the burning tempature of the plasma would be so high the damage against armor (being metal) would be higher then the shield. So shield resistance to plasma thower should be like 5% for all shields This would probably end up a caldari weapon being that their natural enemy is armor based (gallente) ARs, plasma cannons, and shotguns are plasma weapons, and they're Gallente and anti-shield. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 136	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:03:00 - [221] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Yes this is another flamethrower thread, but unlike the others, I intend to flesh out details beyond "I want something that shoots fire", and explain why it would be a great addition to Dust 514's arsenal. This is not meant to shoot regular fire, but instead PLASMA much like many of Dust 514's existing weapons. [Why a (plasma) flamethrower?] Visually, there is something really beautiful and scary about a fire (or something fire-like such as plasma), could be the caveman fascination with fire. Flamethrowers are always always fun, and that's why its the most commonly requested weapon type in Dust 514... seriously, search "flame thrower" or "flamethrower". This requested A LOT. Increasing the game's variety of exotic weapons is good. [How it should work] It should be a heavy weapon. It should fire in a cone similar to the shotgun, but with less spread. The cone fire would allow it to hit multiple targets at once. It should have about the same range as the effective range of the HMG, but more range than the shotgun. Damage per second should initially be less than the HMG, but the "lighting people on fire" part comes which continuous damage over time. This could be due to some perpetual ionization effect or whatever. It should be able to not only light enemies on fire which does continuous damage, but it should also be usable for scorching the inanimate objects like the ground to seal off paths to enemies; this would make it a great area denial weapon. [Why it won't be overpowered] Range would be the same , and less damage per second. [Skills] Plasma flamethrower operation: 3% damage bonus to all fires started. Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% burn duration per level [Attributes] Standard Plasma Flamethrower Damage: 500 (estimate) per second (more than AR, less than HMG) Persistent burning damage: 30 per second Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching them) Range: 50 meters Magazine size: enough for 7 seconds of continuous fire Capacity: 3 magazines worth [Variants] Burst: Fires in powerful semiautomatic bursts, and would basically be a heavy shotgun. Tactical: Bigger magazine, more range, but less damage. Scorcher: Lower damage, but more burn duration (things stay burning longer). Breach: Small magazine, high damage. [What it could look like] It could look much like FIRE like this or this, though preferably with a distinctive color like purple (game needs more color variety). It could look like LIGHTNING like this or this since lightning fits the definition of plasma. Perhaps something in between. In case you didn't click... seriously, look at how amazing that looks, nature is awesome. Anyway, please CCP, let me burn people alive. Thank you for reading KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I wish to become a god of blood and flame, melting the flesh of enemies with ionizing plasma! I wish to walk across a battlefield littered with the burning remains of thousands of enemies, and to crush their charred skulls under my heavy boot. Make it happen CCP, and I will murder in thy name; it will be GLORIOUS! I will create an alt, and form a mad cult of war that exclusively use the plasma flamethrower. Imagine a battle where an entire team of heavies wielding plasma flamethrowers are running wild with religious fervor, speaking in ancient forbidden tongues as they massacre the unsuspecting fools that dare to defy them. Offer still stands the area denial fires would create MONSTER LAG... like EQUIPMENT SPAM... but i LOVE the idea +.75
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 625	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:33:00 - [222] - Quote id prefer wielding a large 80gj blaster turret with my heavy..as much as id like to burn my enemies with fire. i just dont think i could close the distance with all the rail rifles roaming about. edit: now that i think about. it might be usefull against proto bears for when they start camping that supply depot on the galente research facility. but then id have to worry about them using the same thing.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8709	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:37:00 - [223] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: id prefer wielding a large 80gj blaster turret with my heavy..as much as id like to burn my enemies with fire. i just dont think i could close the distance with all the rail rifles roaming about. edit: now that i think about. it might be usefull against proto bears for when they start camping that supply depot on the galente research facility. but then id have to worry about them using the same thing. Gallente weapons tend to have the shortest ranges in their class. I think an Amarr heavy weapon would be better suited for mid range. Caldari = long range (forge gun) Amarr = mid-long range Minmatar = short-mid range (HMG) Gallente = short range Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 63	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:18:00 - [224] - Quote This thread +1
Ventis Gant Goibhniu Industries 39	Posted - 2014.01.30 04:27:00 - [225] - Quote Beforcial wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Professormohawk wrote: dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. you forgot the forgun as caldari Nope. Forge gun is a mining laser gone horribly wrong. Which makes it ORE tech. Although I guess it could have been the Caldari who did the tinkering. But at root, the forge gun is fueled by the condensed rage of all the helpless miners of EVE who have ever been suicide ganked.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8718	Posted - 2014.01.30 05:01:00 - [226] - Quote Ventis Gant wrote: Beforcial wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Professormohawk wrote: dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. you forgot the forgun as caldari Nope. Forge gun is a mining laser gone horribly wrong. Which makes it ORE tech. Although I guess it could have been the Caldari who did the tinkering. But at root, the forge gun is fueled by the condensed rage of all the helpless miners of EVE who have ever been suicide ganked. Forge gun is a Caldari rail weapon. I don't know how there can be any doubt that its Caldari given its angular design and coloring. From the in game description "Powered by a Gemini microcapacitor, the forge gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s" from the description, using electromagnetics to propel a solid object, clearly Caldari rail tech. No lasers involved. This chart from CCP lists the forge gun as a rail weapon. From this dev blog. Your comment could very well have been meant as a joke, but it could also be serious with some EVE reference I don't get, so I replied in a serious manner. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9615	Posted - 2014.02.26 16:51:00 - [227] - Quote Edited Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Aerius Corius FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 29	Posted - 2014.02.26 16:56:00 - [228] - Quote Flamethrowers were originally built (in RL) for the purpose of bunker busting. The the sheer heat and range, coupled with the fact any enemy in the general direction of the flame could not see the wielder, made it a tactically powerful weapon. On the open field, a flamethrower is almost useless as the ability to outmaneuver the heavy weapon and the ease at which the wielder could be seen improves. In close quarters though, such as building corridors or windows, it obstructs enemy view making it a deadly weapon. DUST wise, TACNET still shows where enemies are via scanners or the simple chevron, but the 'visual' of a flamethrower coming through a door where you're defending, or likewise out to the enemy, makes for a very charged situation. +1 for tactics! That guy you killed with 0% shields? Yeah, I sniped him - go team. Oh, you didn't know...hmm. *CCP: Display Assists!!!
The-Errorist 518	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:51:00 - [229] - Quote Still want this; it would be great for weapon variety.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 228	Posted - 2014.03.01 18:56:00 - [230] - Quote It's a Ore inspired weapon adopted by the caldari, But some QQs try to class the forge as a AV weapon. I'd love a mini game for punching cry hard in the nuts. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9724	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:53:00 - [231] - Quote I want! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10208	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:06:00 - [232] - Quote Things need to burn Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10367	Posted - 2014.04.09 21:58:00 - [233] - Quote Anyone else like glorious burning plasma? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+


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