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Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:36:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range.
Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
768
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:08:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. Funny. Even funnier when the concept of Plasma is applied to a Flame Thrower. Not gonna happen. Physics is funny that way. Drop the connection, no more Plasma as it is not really a flame as such. Looks pretty though.
Although there was a Dev post commenting on HAGEHOSHI carrying a huge tank on his back that was destructible. Borderlands had several like that. Great explosions with operators death animations and everything.
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Joel II X
AHPA
1
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Posted - 2013.09.29 13:35:00 -
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You know what would be even more visually appealing? A lightningthrower (Jak 3, anybody?) |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6302
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:44:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better. I suppose you think a shotgun 1shot-killing someone at CQC, or an HMG is also an "I WIN" button. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6302
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:01:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. Funny. Even funnier when the concept of Plasma is applied to a Flame Thrower. Not gonna happen. Physics is funny that way. Drop the connection, no more Plasma as it is not really a flame as such. Looks pretty though. Although there was a Dev post commenting on HAGEHOSHI carrying a huge tank on his back that was destructible. Borderlands had several like that. Great explosions with operators death animations and everything.
The fuel (the same kind AR/shotgun/plasma cannon ammo uses) combusts within the gun resulting in plasma, and is projected outward a relatively short distance using a electromagnetic field. Perhaps it could just shoot the fuel itself as its being ignited. Could also imagine it as a giant enhanced plasma torch.
What does it even matter, its a video game. Its not like Dust has been exactly true to physics or even logic; orbital strikes have no effects on enemy MCCs, lack of friendly fire is pubs and FW, swarm launcher tracking and range is insanely limited for a high tech space-faring race with space-bending warp technology, inertial dampeners have no basis in real physics at all (only a science fiction invention); there is no actual physical way to reduce an object's mass and negate inertia. For the sake of balance, gameplay, and fun games make exceptions to the laws of physics, and that is OK because this is not a physics similar, its a damn VIDEO GAME. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens League of Infamy
347
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:15:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better. I suppose you think a shotgun 1shot-killing someone at CQC, or an HMG is also an "I WIN" button.
What I'm hearing is a continual uninterrupted stream of damage with high DOT being thrown out and swept back and forth washing over everything that the sweep covers.
Example: Come around the corner and see 3 to 5 enemy mercs. Hold down the fire button and sweep 180 in .25 seconds setting them all ablaze and drop back behind cover and move on. DOT kills enemy. Max reward with minimal risk or challenge.
There's been no mention of a time limit of the burn, just that they burn till they die. And the dispersion of the HMG wouldn't apply to this weapon so giving it a lower damage per shot means little to nothing and the direct damage application would be more akin to the laser rifle. |
Arc-08
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:32:00 -
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I'd love to see the introduction of fire into the game. and temperature. that way if you try to bring a flamethrower, or even a plasma thrower into the game, but it's too cold, or there isn't any oxygen, then you get a tiny spark that does 10 damage to anyone .5 meters away from you XD.
But in a future update, possibly a 2.? we'll get some different planets with details on atmoshphere and temperature.
Also would be cool, if a plasma thrower melted snow into water, and then water into a steam like fog to cover your escape. |
Beforcial
REAPERS REPUBLIC
21
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:40:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Professormohawk wrote:dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr.
you forgot the forgun as caldari
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6308
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:07:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better. I suppose you think a shotgun 1shot-killing someone at CQC, or an HMG is also an "I WIN" button. What I'm hearing is a continual uninterrupted stream of damage with high DOT being thrown out and swept back and forth washing over everything that the sweep covers. Example: Come around the corner and see 3 to 5 enemy mercs. Hold down the fire button and sweep 180 in .25 seconds setting them all ablaze and drop back behind cover and move on. DOT kills enemy. Max reward with minimal risk or challenge. There's been no mention of a time limit of the burn, just that they burn till they die. And the dispersion of the HMG wouldn't apply to this weapon so giving it a lower damage per shot means little to nothing and the direct damage application would be more akin to the laser rifle.
Once again REREAD THE OP. I don't know where you're getting the idea that the burn would be infinite, I stated in the OP that it should last 5 seconds on armored/shielded things (like dropsuits), and 15 seconds on objects without protection. Even if you didn't notice that, the fact that I have one of the skill bonuses increase the burn duration should have made it obvious that I don't want it to last forever, or else what would be the point of making it last longer if its already infinite? I'll make it easy for you: "Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% burn duration per level
Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching them)"
HMG dispersion is meaningless in close range. The base damage plus the DOT damage is 450; that is still a HUGE decrease from the 530+ DPS of the HMG. Also with its extremely limited range (only has optimal and absolute range are the same) makes it very risky to use since cover would be absolutely required, and make venturing out into the open a massive risk. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1046
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:23:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Fire is plasma.
So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire.
It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma. Second paragraph.
I'm zmartz. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6308
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:20:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Fire is plasma.
So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire.
It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma. Second paragraph. I'm zmartz. You're right, fire can be plasma if hot enough, but plasma is not exclusively fire. Example: it can be lightning as well. Not all plasma is fire. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens League of Infamy
348
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:21:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aside from you just being plain wrong, would it be so hard to give some constructive criticism? Do you just have to go rudely accusing me of wanting an "I win" button? There are actually polite ways of bringing up an issue without being a... well, you know.
Going to study for an exam now.
My mistake. At least I'll admit it. I need NoDoz when I do this crap after being up for too many hours. o7
But it still looks like an easy kill CQC weapon. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens League of Infamy
348
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:28:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aside from you just being plain wrong, would it be so hard to give some constructive criticism? Do you just have to go rudely accusing me of wanting an "I win" button? There are actually polite ways of bringing up an issue without being a... well, you know.
Going to study for an exam now. My mistake. At least I'll admit it. I need NoDoz when I do this crap after being up for too many hours. o7 But it still looks like an easy kill CQC weapon.
After taking another look...
It could be interesting but after about one third of it's optimal, it would outshine the HMG due to the HMG's drastic damage fall off due to shots missing because of dispersion. Just a fact of design after CCP broke the HMG. So this should have been what CCP should have done, or something close to it, rather than killing a weapon that was doing it's job just because AR elitists were crying over being killed by it while they were too lazy to play a tactical game against it. |
501st Headstrong
Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire
39
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:47:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:I have issues with the lore... How would fires when spread on the ground retain a temperature strong enough to hurt a dropsuit (essentially an Iron Man suit).
Aside from that, who doesn't like flamethrowers?
It's plasma, ionized energy, tons of electrons. Electricity, damages electrical devices, hence dropsuits. Extreme heat is just an added bonus lol |
Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
179
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:48:00 -
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since i am now partially skilled a heavy, i want this. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1344
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:51:00 -
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Hunter Junko wrote:since i am now partially skilled a heavy, i want this. Hell I didn't know you were still around, too bad I don't snipe anymore. |
Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
179
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:55:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Hunter Junko wrote:since i am now partially skilled a heavy, i want this. Hell I didn't know you were still around, too bad I don't snipe anymore. dont see you much often either, so that makes us even i guess lol.
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Summ Dude
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
44
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:18:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:What does it even matter, its a video game. Its not like Dust has been exactly true to physics or even logic; orbital strikes have no effects on enemy MCCs, lack of friendly fire is pubs and FW, swarm launcher tracking and range is insanely limited for a high tech space-faring race with space-bending warp technology, inertial dampeners have no basis in real physics at all (only a science fiction invention); there is no actual physical way to reduce an object's mass and negate inertia. For the sake of balance, gameplay, and fun games make exceptions to the laws of physics, and that is OK because this is not a physics similar, its a damn VIDEO GAME.
While I definitely like the general idea of this gun, as well as your given scientific explanation for how it might work, but I'm afraid I must disagree with you ok this point. I would say CCP actually seems to go to great lengths to make sure every item in this setting has a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation (go read the in-game description of nanohives if you don't believe me). The lack of certain mid-battle realisms I think is more just those features not having been put in yet.
All that being said, I think the general idea if being able to shoot a stream of plasma makes perfect sense in the Dust universe. Especially with (as has been pointed out) several Gallente weapons utilizing plasma already. |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
253
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:40:00 -
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I want a heavy laser weapon if too if this gets added. |
Tanis Jumes
Thors Guard Adventures The Council of Yggdrasil
52
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:21:00 -
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awesome, full support as a heavy :) |
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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
356
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:09:00 -
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Bump, +1 OP
However CCP will never do this, because they cannot animate anything intricate whatsoever. It took them about a year to get the MCC explosion physics the way they are, and it still looks like ****. Have you seen their attempt at flowing water? Go onto the city map with two tall towers and B is under mushroom top. Next to the A console there are several units above acid, one is broken and a liquid substance is flowing. Look at it. Let your laughter commence. |
Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
207
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Posted - 2013.10.27 10:42:00 -
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give us the damn thing already D: i stockpiled alot of meat and i need a quick way to grill all these bad boys up |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3852
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:39:00 -
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Actually, this concept is quite similar to the ever-popular "flamer" of the BattleTech(MechWarrior) universe.
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Arc-08
Knights Of Ender Public Disorder.
133
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:49:00 -
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There should be another racial Rail Thrower, a caldari weapon that is much like it but it electrocutes targets.
Also i think that because of the nature of the Plasma Thrower, despite it being a gallente weapon it would be more effective against armor since sheilds aren't really a physical object and would take heat damage but not so much catch on fire, whereas the rail thrower would electrocute shields for a duration but only deal shock damage to armor.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
153
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:18:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:There should be another racial Rail Thrower, a caldari weapon that is much like it but it electrocutes targets.
Also i think that because of the nature of the Plasma Thrower, despite it being a gallente weapon it would be more effective against armor since sheilds aren't really a physical object and would take heat damage but not so much catch on fire, whereas the rail thrower would electrocute shields for a duration but only deal shock damage to armor. You can't simply throw rail, there called railguns because the firing mechanism is a rail Your thinking of an ion distributer or gamma sprayer something to cover you in high frequency waves or particles
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
361
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:58:00 -
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What the hell do we need a flamethrower for when we already have the very short ranged HMG? Dont tell me its gonna have even shorter range than the HMG? LOL
Although flamethrowers are awesome, but they are much obsolete weapons due to inaccuracy/short range. And i think there are far more brilliant "out of the box" ideas for heavy weapons in here.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7219
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Posted - 2013.11.25 04:19:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:What the hell do we need a flamethrower for when we already have the very short ranged HMG? Dont tell me its gonna have even shorter range than the HMG? LOL
Although flamethrowers are awesome, but they are much obsolete weapons due to inaccuracy/short range. And i think there are far more brilliant "out of the box" ideas for heavy weapons in here.
Gallente will get a heavy weapon sooner or later, and it will be shorter range than the HMG since HMG is projectile (2nd shortest range), and Gallente weapons use plasma (shortest range). Laser weapons (includes scrambler weapons) are 2nd highest in range, and railguns are highest range (forge gun is the heavy railgun).
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7251
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Posted - 2013.11.27 20:38:00 -
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FLAMETHROWER!
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Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2013.11.27 21:09:00 -
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Make the flamethrower overheat, but instead of shutting down and dealing a set amount of damage, like the scrambler rifles do, have it deal X damage for every second its fired over the heat limit. Suddenly sentinels bonus comes in very handy. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7422
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Posted - 2013.12.11 18:03:00 -
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I still waaaaant
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