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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:35:00 -
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Meanwhile in Crysis 3... |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:25:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground... Well obviously that isn't possible right now, or every time you shot your AR it would burn a hole through the ground; we don't have environmental destruction (yet).
That isn't my point, my point is - the plasma would be more of an instant-kill rather than a DoT. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3363
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:34:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground... Well obviously that isn't possible right now, or every time you shot your AR it would burn a hole through the ground; we don't have environmental destruction (yet). That isn't my point, my point is - the plasma would be more of an instant-kill rather than a DoT. Not with our dropsuits. Read the descriptions of the dropsuits. Also like I said before, ARs and other weapons shoot plasma, yet those aren't instant kill against our dropsuits. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:36:00 -
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Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3363
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:49:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. Without more volume =/= more concentration. the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power. Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots than an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, this would still do more damage in a second than that chunk. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.04.09 08:40:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. More volume =/= more concentration. Without the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power. Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, the plasma flamethrower would still do more damage in a second than that chunk. EDIT: Made some errors in the post before, fixed now.
That statement is illogical, more mass fired (plasma mass requires a huge amount of energy to be heated) will definitely result in more energy (thermal damage), and subsequently more concentration... |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3372
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Posted - 2013.04.09 08:54:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. More volume =/= more concentration. Without the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power. Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, the plasma flamethrower would still do more damage in a second than that chunk. EDIT: Made some errors in the post before, fixed now. That statement is illogical, more mass fired (plasma mass requires a huge amount of energy to be heated) will definitely result in more energy (thermal damage), and subsequently more concentration...
Where are you getting the assumption that so much more mass will be fired? it could just be only slightly more mass, but only appears to be a lot more because it has more volume since it isn't being squeezed into a tiny shape by a EM field. For all you know, the mass of an AR's plasma shots could be enough to make the plume of flamethrower-like plasma bursts, and that the only real difference is the volume. Also like I said before, the plasma flamethrower will indeed do more damage than the AR. |
Horse Schitt
Turalyon Plus
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:38:00 -
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+1 |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3404
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:57:00 -
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I want to shoot a mini solar flare in someone's face, or some lightning |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:03:00 -
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go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3404
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:10:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
231
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:13:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below Acid is awfully inefficient as a weapon.
Also, awfully rude to ask people on a suggestion thread to look at another suggestion thread that is newer than the one you are posting on to ask people to look at the newer one. Awfully rude. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3410
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:04:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below Acid is awfully inefficient as a weapon. Also, awfully rude to ask people on a suggestion thread to look at another suggestion thread that is newer than the one you are posting on to ask people to look at the newer one. Awfully rude. Also not nearly as cool as plasma |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
237
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:04:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below Acid is awfully inefficient as a weapon. Also, awfully rude to ask people on a suggestion thread to look at another suggestion thread that is newer than the one you are posting on to ask people to look at the newer one. Awfully rude. Also not nearly as cool as plasma True that. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
138
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:59:00 -
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lol at the combo: 420 dps in a cone of pattern of a shotgun and range intermediate between SG and HMG + heavy exclusive. Yeap does indeed sound like a perfectly balanced weapon. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
858
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:04:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I'm pretty sure lasers are also heat based, you don't walk through lasers do you? |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
138
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:05:00 -
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The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
858
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:09:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:14:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits.
well sorry i didn't see it i know what plasma is its 'almost' the fourth state of matter taking on qualities of a gas and a liquid i stare at linear condensed plasma every time i play using nova knives so i know what plasma is
the only problem is without the gravity slug all those other weapons use the "flame" will go straight up and evaporate a few feet from the barrel most likely roasting the person using it.... BUT if you use a conical like projection across the outer rim of the barrel it is a viable solution to making a "flame" with plasma
XD of course its going to be orangeish purple looking but thats better than actual fire... it is however still the most uncivilized horrible barbaric ways to kill someone... besides probably my knives |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
858
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:16:00 -
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Orange fire? Eff that chiz, I want purple "flames" |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3410
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:18:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) Here, go read. Its not my job to educate people. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3410
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:24:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. well sorry i didn't see it i know what plasma is its 'almost' the fourth state of matter taking on qualities of a gas and a liquid i stare at linear condensed plasma every time i play using nova knives so i know what plasma is the only problem is without the gravity slug all those other weapons use the "flame" will go straight up and evaporate a few feet from the barrel most likely roasting the person using it.... BUT if you use a conical like projection across the outer rim of the barrel it is a viable solution to making a "flame" with plasma XD of course its going to be orangeish purple looking but thats better than actual fire... it is however still the most uncivilized horrible barbaric ways to kill someone... besides probably my knives With a cone-shaped electromagnetic field being projected from the gun across the intended distance, the plasma won't stray from its intended path. What is a gravity slug? |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
131
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Posted - 2013.04.14 08:53:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. Plasma is a lot safer than acid: * it disperses itself * it changes state * it doesn't pool on the floor/ground * it can be directed using EM fields |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
138
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:37:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) Here, go read. Its not my job to educate people.
Neither is it your job to educate yourself it appears from your post. FYI flame is a form of plasma in the vast majority of its form. You know what I am saying, I am just saying. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
138
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:39:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I'm pretty sure lasers are also heat based, you don't walk through lasers do you?
Lol lasers do not have to be 'heat based'. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
138
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:40:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies".
You kids are cute. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
867
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Posted - 2013.04.15 04:08:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". You kids are cute. Flames are not a from of plasma. What you see as "flames" is simply super heated little particles that are glowing because of the heat, those same particles then turn into "smoke" once they lose the vast majority of that heat.
The difference is that simple flames do not have enough have energy to be considered plasma. They have no electrical charge, plasma does.
Some flames are plasma, but not all are: http://www.plasmacoalition.org/plasma_writeups/flame.pdf |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
149
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:31:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". You kids are cute. Flames are not a from of plasma. What you see as "flames" is simply super heated little particles that are glowing because of the heat, those same particles then turn into "smoke" once they lose the vast majority of that heat. The difference between the two is that simple flames do not have enough ionized particles to be considered plasma. Some flames are plasma, but not all are: http://www.plasmacoalition.org/plasma_writeups/flame.pdf
We can agree that plasma is ionised matter (atoms breaking down into ions under influence of some sourt of energy) right? Most flames are hot enough to cause the particles not only to glow but to ionize too. Beyound that I think we ll be walking in circles if we continue to argue the subject. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3522
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Posted - 2013.04.22 03:55:00 -
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Still want to burn people |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3522
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:03:00 -
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Anyone else want to burn things? |
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