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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.02.08 20:58:00 -
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Yes this is another flamethrower thread, but unlike the others, I intend to flesh out details beyond "I want something that shoots fire", and explain why it would be a great addition to Dust 514's arsenal.
[Why a (plasma) flamethrower?]
Visually, there is something really beautiful and scary about a fire (or something fire-like such as plasma), could be the caveman fascination with fire.
Flamethrowers are always always fun, and that's why its the most commonly requested weapon type in Dust 514... seriously, search "flame thrower" or "flamethrower". This requested A LOT.
Increasing the game's variety of exotic weapons is good.
The Amarr are the only ones with a heavy suit (for now), but they have no heavy weapon to go with it. The Amarr used heavy plasma weapons in Templar One, so it fits.
[How it should work]
It should be a heavy weapon.
It should fire in a cone similar to the shotgun, but with less spread. The cone fire would allow it to hitmultiple targets at once.
It should have less range than the HMG, but more range than the shotgun.
Damage per second should initially be less than the HMG, but the "lighting people on fire" part comes witch continuous damage over time.
It should be able to not only light enemies on fire which does continuous damage, but it should also be usable for scorching the inanimate objects like the ground to seal off paths to enemies; this would make it a great area denial weapon.
[Why it won't be overpowered]
Less range than HMG, and less damage per second.
[Skills]
Plasma flamethrower operation: 3% damage bonus to all fires started.
Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% fire duration per level
[Variants]
Burst: Fires in powerful semiautomatic bursts, and would basically be a heavy shotgun.
Tactical: Bigger magazine, more range, but less damage.
Scorcher: Lower damage, but more fire duration (things stay on fire longer).
Breach: Small magazine, high damage.
[What it could look like]
It could look much like fire like this or this, though prefferably with a distinctive color like purple (game needs more color variety). It could look like lightning like this or this since lightning fits the definition of plasma. Perhaps something in between.
In case you didn't click... seriously, look at that, nature is awesome. Anyway, please CCP, let me burn people alive. Thank you for reading |
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:19:00 -
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Gallente aren't the only ones who use plasma, in Templar One, the Amarr were using arc cannons (which were said to be plasma), and plasma rifles. |
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:41:00 -
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Whatever race the devs decide to give it to would be fine with me if it does come. |
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Posted - 2013.02.09 02:42:00 -
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Raze galder wrote:Would the fire be able to spread if someone came into contact with the ignited person?
That would be interesting, though too powerful. People one fire should do heat damage to others touching them, but the flames should not be "contagious" from person to person. |
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Posted - 2013.02.10 23:07:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:I have issues with the lore... How would fires when spread on the ground retain a temperature strong enough to hurt a dropsuit (essentially an Iron Man suit).
Aside from that, who doesn't like flamethrowers?
Good point, I'm not sure actually, but regular fire around the map hurts mecs seems to hurt mercs for some reason. Maybe the fire is really really really hot? I don't know.
EDIT: Actually I was wrong, those fires don't hurt you. I suppose something can be made up about the fire having a charge counter to the ionizing charge of something in our dropsuits... CCP can think up something.
Don Von Hulio wrote:Would it basically be a short range lightning gun? Or a short range blast, caused by the release of the super heated gas and rapid expansion.
Or would it be liquid plasma harvested from clones thats infected with every disease and poison known to man, and then lit on fire upon exiting the spout.... sounds Minmatar-ish.
I like the Short range blast thing, sounds cool.
The physics kind of plasma, both lightning and ionized gas fits the definition. Definitely not blood plasma.
Definitely short-ish range, maybe 45-50 meters.
Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Giving a very close-range weapon to the slowest suit in the game is maybe not a very good idea. That said, it sounds like heavy weapons are being made available to every dropsuit in the future, so it might not matter anyway.
I like the ground-burning idea. Thanks for trying to come up with actual gameplay reasons for including flamethrowers. Usually these threads are pretty half-baked, but I like yours.
Fair point, though I think the ability to light things on fire for area denial would make up for it. I'm thinking of a 45-50 meter range which wouldn't be too bad. |
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Posted - 2013.02.16 01:59:00 -
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http://digital-art-gallery.com/picture/big/16367 |
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Posted - 2013.02.16 02:39:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:But yeah, it's apparently coming to pass. The CCP executive producer for Dust talked about that (plus a graphics overhaul which will bring vegetation to Dust, plus a 6-man squad limit up from 4 currently, plus the 48-player cap increase for maps, plus that dropsuits will be able to be coloured with AUR). Next build is going to be pretty heavy on new dropsuit stuff in general, including racial dropsuit variations to some extent. Maybe just for assault suits? The CCP guys were vague on that. Can you provide a link or source for the Heavy Weapon info, please? I keep hearing people talk about it, but I've never seen a direct source.
No mention of heavy weapons being available for all suits, though a trailer did show an assault suit using a forge gun (also there was an assault suit in the fitting section with 2 light slots): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnt1tTlnqfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TSw6mqiWyg Something like this would make |
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Posted - 2013.02.17 05:46:00 -
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Anyone else want to burn people alive? |
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Posted - 2013.02.18 04:14:00 -
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/me burns down all other inferior "flamethrower" threads |
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Posted - 2013.02.18 04:24:00 -
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Professormohawk wrote:dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one.
I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr.
HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar.
Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente.
Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari
Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. |
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:05:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner.
I want to burn people and eat them now. Gun sounds really convenient for cannibalistic cooking. |
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Posted - 2013.02.24 08:33:00 -
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I still want |
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:36:00 -
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I still want to burn people.
Standard Plasma Flamethrower
Damage: 420 (estimate) per second (more than AR, less than HMG)
Persistent burning damage: 30 per second
Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds
Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching it)
Range: 50 meters
Magazine size: enough for 7 seconds of continuous fire
Capacity: 3 magazines worth
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:31:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Professormohawk wrote:dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. Flaylock pistol is Caldari
Nope, look at that brown: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/63557/1/2500x1200-Minmatar-Flaylock-Pistol.jpg
When you try to right click and save, it says Minmatar. |
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Posted - 2013.02.27 05:17:00 -
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Professormohawk wrote:just for clarity's sake, the Amaar Flamethrower is not limited to Amaar Mercs?
Not limited to Amarr mercs, just like the Gallente assault rifle is not only limited to Gallente mercs. |
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:40:00 -
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Anyone else want to roast their fellow mercs? |
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:25:00 -
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I pray to Prometheus for the flame. |
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:02:00 -
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I still want to burn people |
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Posted - 2013.03.21 07:14:00 -
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I wish to become a god of blood and flame, melting the flesh of enemies with ionizing plasma! I wish to walk across a battlefield littered with the burning remains of thousands of enemies, and to crush their charred skulls under my heavy boot.
Make it happen CCP |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:39:00 -
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/me lights other weapon request threads on fire |
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Posted - 2013.04.02 09:08:00 -
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The Cult of Prometheus shall rise! Bring us the flame! |
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:37:00 -
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Guessing some people didn't fully read the OP, I'm not asking for a flamethrower that shoots regular fire, I'm asking for one that shoots plasma. Plasma is the same stuff the AR, shotgun, plasma cannon (next build), and blasters shoot. The Amarr scrambler pistol and scrambler rifle (next build) use lasers to induce a channel plasma as well. Not outdated at all. |
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Posted - 2013.04.08 07:32:00 -
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I still want it |
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:01:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:wonderful idea but... you should have to also add a module onto the suit like a fire retardant suit mod for heavies that protects them from the heat of there own flamethrower and also i think that there should be extinguisher grenades to put the fire out on you and your allies and kills the pilot light on there flame throwers and they have to light it again taking 5 seconds to relite it or something? that would make flame throwers situational also :)
We have no problems handling plasma weaponry like the AR and shotgun, woud seem odd to need a special module to handle the flamethrower if its also a plasma weapon, especially when wearing heavy armor; its not like you're shooting yourself.
The flamethrowers I'm suggesting would not need a pilot light, these aren't meant to be regular flamethrowers, but something that shoots plumes of plasma (kind of like a solar flare).
The range would already make them situational. |
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:05:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:What if.... when you kill a flamethrower wielder they would explode in a ball of fire, causing damage to the surroundings as well as any unlucky enemy clones. 
I like this a lot. |
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:11:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target..
Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold.
In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. |
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:26:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground...
Well obviously that isn't possible right now, or every time you shot your AR it would burn a hole through the ground; we don't have environmental destruction (yet). |
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:34:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground... Well obviously that isn't possible right now, or every time you shot your AR it would burn a hole through the ground; we don't have environmental destruction (yet). That isn't my point, my point is - the plasma would be more of an instant-kill rather than a DoT.
Not with our dropsuits. Read the descriptions of the dropsuits. Also like I said before, ARs and other weapons shoot plasma, yet those aren't instant kill against our dropsuits. |
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Posted - 2013.04.08 21:49:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able.
Without more volume =/= more concentration. the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power.
Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots than an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, this would still do more damage in a second than that chunk. |
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Posted - 2013.04.09 08:54:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Firing a massive chunk of plasma rather than small tiny capsules of ionised gas would be instant-kill... It is not physically possible to hold back that high of a concentration of plasma, whereas a small capsule of gas is withstand-able. More volume =/= more concentration. Without the encapsulation it it far less concentrated; 10x more volume does not equal 10x more power. Also the damage is much higher than the AR anyway; I intend for it do do 420 damage per second. If you took all the shots an AR fires in 1 second (12.5) and combine them into a big chunk, the plasma flamethrower would still do more damage in a second than that chunk. EDIT: Made some errors in the post before, fixed now. That statement is illogical, more mass fired (plasma mass requires a huge amount of energy to be heated) will definitely result in more energy (thermal damage), and subsequently more concentration...
Where are you getting the assumption that so much more mass will be fired? it could just be only slightly more mass, but only appears to be a lot more because it has more volume since it isn't being squeezed into a tiny shape by a EM field.
For all you know, the mass of an AR's plasma shots could be enough to make the plume of flamethrower-like plasma bursts, and that the only real difference is the volume.
Also like I said before, the plasma flamethrower will indeed do more damage than the AR. |
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:57:00 -
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I want to shoot a mini solar flare in someone's face, or some lightning |
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:10:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below
I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of.
Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:04:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below Acid is awfully inefficient as a weapon. Also, awfully rude to ask people on a suggestion thread to look at another suggestion thread that is newer than the one you are posting on to ask people to look at the newer one. Awfully rude.
Also not nearly as cool as plasma |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:18:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) Here, go read. Its not my job to educate people. |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:24:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. well sorry i didn't see it i know what plasma is its 'almost' the fourth state of matter taking on qualities of a gas and a liquid i stare at linear condensed plasma every time i play using nova knives so i know what plasma is the only problem is without the gravity slug all those other weapons use the "flame" will go straight up and evaporate a few feet from the barrel most likely roasting the person using it.... BUT if you use a conical like projection across the outer rim of the barrel it is a viable solution to making a "flame" with plasma XD of course its going to be orangeish purple looking but thats better than actual fire... it is however still the most uncivilized horrible barbaric ways to kill someone... besides probably my knives
With a cone-shaped electromagnetic field being projected from the gun across the intended distance, the plasma won't stray from its intended path.
What is a gravity slug? |
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Posted - 2013.04.22 03:55:00 -
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Still want to burn people |
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:03:00 -
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Anyone else want to burn things? |
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Posted - 2013.05.18 09:10:00 -
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/me ignites thread back to the front page |
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Posted - 2013.06.16 05:28:00 -
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I still want people to burn |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:51:00 -
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Still want |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:04:00 -
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Originally suggested this as an Amarr weapon, but Gallente would fit more. |
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:23:00 -
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I still want to burn people alive. |
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:23:00 -
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Still would be cool |
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:32:00 -
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Want |
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Posted - 2013.09.25 01:18:00 -
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My desire for fire is quite dire! |
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:59:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Unfortunately the current incarnation of the HMG fills most of this role already. 
IMO, the HMG's range is way too short. |
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:00:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Fire is plasma.
So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire.
It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing.
Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 05:08:00 -
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http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/157403/flamethrower-o.gif |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:03:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned.
Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based).
Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak.
Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 )
I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing.
The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:40:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Without the fuel, I don't believe the suits alone would be sufficient to sustain the plasma flame.
Well, lore technicalities aside, your purposed flame thrower is a unique weapon and this game needs more unique and exotic weapons. +2
I didn't say there wouldn't be fuel, just that I don't see the need to have it exposed for people to shoot at.
Also, thanks, glad you like the idea. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:44:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button.
The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better.
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. Funny. Even funnier when the concept of Plasma is applied to a Flame Thrower. Not gonna happen. Physics is funny that way. Drop the connection, no more Plasma as it is not really a flame as such. Looks pretty though. Although there was a Dev post commenting on HAGEHOSHI carrying a huge tank on his back that was destructible. Borderlands had several like that. Great explosions with operators death animations and everything.
The fuel (the same kind AR/shotgun/plasma cannon ammo uses) combusts within the gun resulting in plasma, and is projected outward a relatively short distance using a electromagnetic field.
Perhaps it could just shoot the fuel itself as its being ignited.
Could also imagine it as a giant enhanced plasma torch.
What does it even matter, its a video game. Its not like Dust has been exactly true to physics or even logic; orbital strikes have no effects on enemy MCCs, lack of friendly fire is pubs and FW, swarm launcher tracking and range is insanely limited for a high tech space-faring race with space-bending warp technology, inertial dampeners have no basis in real physics at all (only a science fiction invention); there is no actual physical way to reduce an object's mass and negate inertia. For the sake of balance, gameplay, and fun games make exceptions to the laws of physics, and that is OK because this is not a physics similar, its a damn VIDEO GAME. |
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. Basically he want's a CQC "I WIN" button. The initial DPS would still be lower than an HMG, so no. Next time learn to read better. I suppose you think a shotgun 1shot-killing someone at CQC, or an HMG is also an "I WIN" button. What I'm hearing is a continual uninterrupted stream of damage with high DOT being thrown out and swept back and forth washing over everything that the sweep covers. Example: Come around the corner and see 3 to 5 enemy mercs. Hold down the fire button and sweep 180 in .25 seconds setting them all ablaze and drop back behind cover and move on. DOT kills enemy. Max reward with minimal risk or challenge. There's been no mention of a time limit of the burn, just that they burn till they die. And the dispersion of the HMG wouldn't apply to this weapon so giving it a lower damage per shot means little to nothing and the direct damage application would be more akin to the laser rifle.
Once again REREAD THE OP. I don't know where you're getting the idea that the burn would be infinite, I stated in the OP that it should last 5 seconds on armored/shielded things (like dropsuits), and 15 seconds on objects without protection. Even if you didn't notice that, the fact that I have one of the skill bonuses increase the burn duration should have made it obvious that I don't want it to last forever, or else what would be the point of making it last longer if its already infinite?
I'll make it easy for you:
"Plasma flamethrower proficiency: 5% burn duration per level
Persistent burning duration on shielded/armored objects: 5 seconds
Persistent burning damage on non-shielded/armored objects: 15 seconds (burning objects inflict the persistent burning damage to anyone touching them)"
HMG dispersion is meaningless in close range. The base damage plus the DOT damage is 450; that is still a HUGE decrease from the 530+ DPS of the HMG. Also with its extremely limited range (only has optimal and absolute range are the same) makes it very risky to use since cover would be absolutely required, and make venturing out into the open a massive risk. |
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Meeko Fent wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Fire is plasma.
So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire.
It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma. Second paragraph. I'm zmartz.
You're right, fire can be plasma if hot enough, but plasma is not exclusively fire. Example: it can be lightning as well. Not all plasma is fire. |
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Powerh8er wrote:What the hell do we need a flamethrower for when we already have the very short ranged HMG? Dont tell me its gonna have even shorter range than the HMG? LOL
Although flamethrowers are awesome, but they are much obsolete weapons due to inaccuracy/short range. And i think there are far more brilliant "out of the box" ideas for heavy weapons in here.
Gallente will get a heavy weapon sooner or later, and it will be shorter range than the HMG since HMG is projectile (2nd shortest range), and Gallente weapons use plasma (shortest range). Laser weapons (includes scrambler weapons) are 2nd highest in range, and railguns are highest range (forge gun is the heavy railgun).
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FLAMETHROWER!
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I still waaaaant
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I want to watch the world burn!
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I want!
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No one else craves the fire?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wish to become a god of blood and flame, melting the flesh of enemies with ionizing plasma! I wish to walk across a battlefield littered with the burning remains of thousands of enemies, and to crush their charred skulls under my heavy boot.
Make it happen CCP, and I will murder in thy name; it will be GLORIOUS!
I will create an alt, and form a mad cult of war that exclusively use the plasma flamethrower. Imagine a battle where an entire team of heavies wielding plasma flamethrowers are running wild with religious fervor, speaking in ancient forbidden tongues as they massacre the unsuspecting fools that dare to defy them.
My offer still stands CCP
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Emo Skellington wrote:I defintley love the idead of this plasma thower and how it is portrayed and the stats. It will be unique but one thing, This should be an armor based attack because odf the metal and the burning tempature of the plasma would be so high the damage against armor (being metal) would be higher then the shield.
So shield resistance to plasma thower should be like 5% for all shields
This would probably end up a caldari weapon being that their natural enemy is armor based (gallente)
ARs, plasma cannons, and shotguns are plasma weapons, and they're Gallente and anti-shield.
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CLONE117 wrote:id prefer wielding a large 80gj blaster turret with my heavy..as much as id like to burn my enemies with fire.
i just dont think i could close the distance with all the rail rifles roaming about.
edit: now that i think about. it might be usefull against proto bears for when they start camping that supply depot on the galente research facility. but then id have to worry about them using the same thing.
Gallente weapons tend to have the shortest ranges in their class. I think an Amarr heavy weapon would be better suited for mid range.
Caldari = long range (forge gun)
Amarr = mid-long range
Minmatar = short-mid range (HMG)
Gallente = short range
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Ventis Gant wrote:Beforcial wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Professormohawk wrote:dont make it race only. make Amarr get a different one. I don't think you understand how racial items work in Dust. All weapons and dropsuits are made by a specific race, but all races can use them. I am not saying that only Amarr should be able to use it, only that its origin should be Amarr. HMG, mass driver, SMG, and the upcoming flaylock pistol are Minmatar. Shotgun, assault rifle, and the upcoming plasma cannon are Gallente. Sniper rifle, railgun, and the upcoming gauss rifle are Caldari Laser rifle, scrambler pistol, and the upcoming scrambler rifle are Amarr. you forgot the forgun as caldari Nope. Forge gun is a mining laser gone horribly wrong. Which makes it ORE tech. Although I guess it could have been the Caldari who did the tinkering. But at root, the forge gun is fueled by the condensed rage of all the helpless miners of EVE who have ever been suicide ganked.
Forge gun is a Caldari rail weapon. I don't know how there can be any doubt that its Caldari given its angular design and coloring.
From the in game description "Powered by a Gemini microcapacitor, the forge gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s" from the description, using electromagnetics to propel a solid object, clearly Caldari rail tech. No lasers involved.
This chart from CCP lists the forge gun as a rail weapon. From this dev blog.
Your comment could very well have been meant as a joke, but it could also be serious with some EVE reference I don't get, so I replied in a serious manner.
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Edited
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I want!
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Things need to burn
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Anyone else like glorious burning plasma?
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