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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:27:00 -
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Victor Czar wrote:While I would like a flamethrower to be added into dust I would prefer if it didn't use plasma. The only reason I don't want it to use plasma is because unless contained by a magnetic field or else heated to the point where it can vaporize a dropsuit in a millisecond*, Plasma will just explode due to the amount of thermal energy in it.
I'd much prefer the "flamethrower" to basically be an LTB-P from Syndicate entirely because it's a gun that shoots Thermite. It's ridiculously awesome and a great deal more realistic. Also it shoots Thermite did I mention that? Cause it totally shoots Thermite.
*From what I understand, plasma physics are weird. Past a certain temperature it'll start to get denser.
ok instead of bitching about peoples lack of science knowledge im leaving this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i2lhO3bSjQ maybe that will stick.
tho to tell the truth I like the idea of napalm my self |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:32:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:What about vehicle damage?
It would be nice to at least have 1 weapon that are effective against both infantry and vehicles.
truthfully I could see this being acceptable at 50%ish damage to vehicles |
hgghyujh
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:33:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:I still want the legal rights of plasma to stay in gallente hands
you lost that right when you split with the caldari. |
hgghyujh
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:39:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:What if.... when you kill a flamethrower wielder they would explode in a ball of fire, causing damage to the surroundings as well as any unlucky enemy clones.
that sounds like it would be really difficult to implement, I mean why go thur the trouble for the BEST IDEA EVER! |
hgghyujh
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:45:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. whaaaaaaaaaa???? you really want to be nit picky about this Idea????? fine its a god damn plasma thrower!!! gahhhh the name doesn't have to be god damn accurate it has to explain it or should we rename "move" on a computer to "copy and remove from file table" to satisfy your ******* semantics. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:48:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:'Plasma flame-throwers' aren't physically possible... Plasma and hot gas are exactly the same substance, just extremely differentiating in temperature. So you would need to magically invent a device which cools the plasma instantaneously by about 2000'c when it hits the target.. Why would it need to cool? plasma is suppose to be hot, not cold. In Dust we have weapons that fire plasma; assault rifles for example fire bits of plasma encapsulated in electromagnetic fields. What I'm suggesting is kind of the same thing, but in much larger bursts, and without the electromagnetic encapsulation. Because plasma wouldn't burn to produce this 'damage-over-time burning effect'... It would just melt straight through the ground...
??????? oh you are just being stupid never mind. |
hgghyujh
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:01:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below
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hgghyujh
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:18:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different?
well not much different, in fact depending on the flame you got plasma their. Basically plasma is matter that is excited enough that the atoms are ionized(basically the atoms are so excited that some or all of their electrons are actually stripped off), this leads to the plasma on top of being hot being affected strongly by magnetisim and are conductive. Plasma can range widely in temperature. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:21:00 -
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G Torq wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:go check out my idea of a flame thrower.... since you can walk through the burning structures on here anyway why should heat do damage? instead acid... its a few posts above this or below I explained in it OP that the plasma flamethrower shoots PLASMA. Plasma is not fire, its superheated ionized gas, the stuff that the stars are made of. Assault rifles, shotguns, scrambler pistols, scrambler rifles (next build), plasma cannons (next build), blaster turrets and installations all shoot plasma, and they most definitely damage our dropsuits. Plasma is a lot safer than acid: * it disperses itself * it changes state * it doesn't pool on the floor/ground * it can be directed using EM fields
less damaging to structure we are fighting for.(ducks orbital) |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:26:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:The author went a great length to emphasize that plasma is different from flame. How exactly are flame and plasma different? Take a physics class, or just "basic science for dummies". You kids are cute. Flames are not a from of plasma. What you see as "flames" is simply super heated little particles that are glowing because of the heat, those same particles then turn into "smoke" once they lose the vast majority of that heat. The difference between the two is that simple flames do not have enough ionized particles to be considered plasma. Some flames are plasma, but not all are: http://www.plasmacoalition.org/plasma_writeups/flame.pdf We can agree that plasma is ionised matter (atoms breaking down into ions under influence of some sourt of energy) right? Most flames are hot enough to cause the particles not only to glow but to ionize too. Beyound that I think we ll be walking in circles if we continue to argue the subject.
not unless it emmits uv light |
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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:26:00 -
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Yes to plasma flamethrower. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:27:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Anyone else want to burn things?
ME!!! |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:29:00 -
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Baltazar Pontain wrote:I like weapons that need some skill to be used.
In case of a flamethrower I would like to see the "liquid" behaviour.
If you turn fast, the stream of plasma is not right their. It need to build up the steady stream after turning. Burning plasma on the ground is hot (for some seconds) and can damage objects running over it (friend and foe).
Skills could be: +X% on burn time (on the ground and subjects covered with it). +X% on pressure (enabling to fire over longer distances)
So for me a flamethrower would have no srpead effect. It would be more a flamethrower like in WW2.
not enough game do this properly. |
waffle pie
D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:44:00 -
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yeah i do agree with what you got but i think the plasma thrower/ flame thrower should be a only heavy wep causs i dont want to see scouts running around lighting ppl on fire causs that would kinda ruin the point, not to mention relisticaly carry the fuel for a flame thrower/plasma thrower would be pretty heavy so really only a heavy should be able to carry it.Also, we do need a new wep for the heavy and a wep good at close range and mid range for the heavy would be nice,.Plus for the ppl who are bad at aiming the fmale/plasma thrower would be good for new players. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
308
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:44:00 -
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Hunter Junko wrote:Vel'sar Altruin wrote:Burn baby burn, disco inferno!
No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer.
Pasanius!
All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3
Bahh OP Spacemarine scum! Chaos FTW |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1971
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:47:00 -
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Maybe it couldn't have a lot of base damage but it could be a minmatar weapon made to reduce the suits defenses.
Give it a fair good distance but not ridiculous.
Not a heavy weapon but a light support weapon that a logi would have.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
94
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:49:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Hunter Junko wrote:Vel'sar Altruin wrote:Burn baby burn, disco inferno!
No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer.
Pasanius!
All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3 Bahh OP Spacemarine scum! Chaos FTW
Damn...saw this too late.
Ultramarines have a flag pole stuck up there a$$.
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens League of Infamy
344
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:32:00 -
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Unfortunately the current incarnation of the HMG fills most of this role already. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
995
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:43:00 -
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Fire is plasma.
So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire.
It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
6194
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:59:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Unfortunately the current incarnation of the HMG fills most of this role already. IMO, the HMG's range is way too short. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
6194
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:00:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Fire is plasma.
So, argueing over whether or not it should shoot plasma or fire.
It's the same thing, only with temperatures differing. Nope, ionization is the defining characteristic of plasma. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6293
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Posted - 2013.09.29 05:08:00 -
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http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/157403/flamethrower-o.gif |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
47
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Posted - 2013.09.29 05:22:00 -
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I just thought about it and it was epic...
PSHHHHh (BURN BISH) |
medomai grey
warravens League of Infamy
177
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Posted - 2013.09.29 05:51:00 -
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Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6295
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:03:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Why use a plasma flame over a normal one? Will the gun utilize electric fields to manipulate the plasma fire to some effect or purpose?
Will it be shooting ignited fuel or just the flames?
Will the gun have an exposed fuel cell that if hit, instantly depletes the clip and sets the user on fire?
Why make it a heavy weapon? The purposed weapon will apply a damage over time effect to multiple targets. Targets that will most likely fire back. Heavies would not be ideal for this weapon because they lack the mobility to retreat once they ignited their targets and would die from being outgunned.
Regular fire wouldn't hurt our suits. Plasma would hurt our suits (many of our weapons are plasma-based). Electromagnetic field to to propel the plasma outward, and maintain the plasma's volume so it doesn't become too spread out and weak. Won't shoot fuel, it shoots plasma ( look at this http://i.huffpost.com/gen/767871/thumbs/o-NASA-SUN-SOLAR-FLARE-900.jpg?12 ) I don't think exposed fuel cells will be needed for balancing. The way I envision it, its the enemies that would be running away (but eventually die due to damage over time). Its a high DPS weapon, not a weapon you want to take on in its optimal range. |
medomai grey
warravens League of Infamy
177
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:30:00 -
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Without the fuel, I don't believe the suits alone would be sufficient to sustain the plasma flame.
Well, lore technicalities aside, your purposed flame thrower is a unique weapon and this game needs more unique and exotic weapons. +2 |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6297
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:40:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Without the fuel, I don't believe the suits alone would be sufficient to sustain the plasma flame.
Well, lore technicalities aside, your purposed flame thrower is a unique weapon and this game needs more unique and exotic weapons. +2 I didn't say there wouldn't be fuel, just that I don't see the need to have it exposed for people to shoot at.
Also, thanks, glad you like the idea. |
medomai grey
warravens League of Infamy
177
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:01:00 -
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What I meant was that without applying fuel to the target, the plasma flame probably wouldn't sustain itself on the target to do damage over time. But that's lore tech BS that's not as important as gameplay. :P
Also, if the gun did fire ignited fuel, anything hit would have to burn for a while and I don't think CCP has the technical resources to pull that off yet.
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X7 lion
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
30
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:16:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:This would also have the benefit of giving those less discerning mercs a way to cook dinner. mmmmm nothing beats steak cooked by high energy material.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
322
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:45:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Hunter Junko wrote:Vel'sar Altruin wrote:Burn baby burn, disco inferno!
No but seriously, give me this. Allow me to fulfill my dream of being a Space Marine with a Flamer.
Pasanius!
All my ISK to whoever knows what I am talking about. Warhammer 40K Pay up >:3 Bahh OP Spacemarine scum! Chaos FTW
Kitten that, give me Necron Gauss weaponry! |
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