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Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.24 16:18:00 -
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Okay haven't read the whole thread its just too much. But here is the thing first breast plates would be needed. Breast tissue is composed primarily of fat and nervous tissue along with obvious glandular tissue. Now when compressed for extended period of times like in a pressurized suit this would lead to hematomas and necrosis. The breast plate allows for what would be comfortable support without compression which also relieves stress off the back.
i will grant you the breast size is a bit too large given if this is the ideal clone of a female breast would be smaller to create a better center of gravity and reduction in back strain. Also granted since their isnt any flesh behind these suits just circuitry it could be argued that you dont need a male/female variant of anything because the perfect soldier shape wouldnt be a a two armed two legged human but some 6-8 limbed creature that could multitask at a much greater level.
Now regarding the sway in the female clones. Well this is a matter of human physiology and kinetics. Women have larger hips due to a larger pelvis that is needed to accomodate the birth canal. There in fact 4 pelvis types that women could have 2 of which dont really help accomodate vaginal delivery. Anyway point is the result of these wider pelvis is the change in the angle at which the head of the femur would rest. It is this angle that changes the stride in which women walk giving them a natural sway. That sway by the way is just one of many evolutionary developments that are chiefly designed to attract male suitors for the purposes of reproduction.
Next time you are out in the world, watch how women walk take note of their stride and you will understand why they sway. I will give you it may be a bit exaggerated but it does serve a purpose and is physiologically correct. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.12.24 16:25:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:
Also granted since their isnt any flesh behind these suits just circuitry it could be argued that you dont need a male/female variant of anything because the perfect soldier shape wouldnt be a a two armed two legged human but some 6-8 limbed creature that could multitask at a much greater level.
There is flesh these are clones rather than androids or whatever, funny this topic is still going when there is a much bigger issue, wheres the homosexual suit? I want to be able to mince along looking fabulous with my wrist bent in a stereotypical fashion. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.24 17:20:00 -
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NovaShadowStorm wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Lets all calm down and all agree that Kazeno Rannaa's ideal woman (should he ever find one) will be flat of chest, small of hips with absolutely no sway to her hips and will dress in nothing but turtle necks and jeans. Because anything more seems to be an unrealistic and over sexualised view of women.
Once again I still fail to see what alot of people are complaining about. Go to your local shopping centers, spend at even a minute looking around and I guarantee you will within seconds find a girl dressed far more provacatively than this. If you find many women doing it then I have a feeling that oh I dunno... maybe that women dress that way in this day and age. Look at half the damn shows on TV they have women dress far more provacatively. You'll find a dropsuit that just follows a normal womans curves and the fact she has a very hip swaying walk is the least of your concerns.
Worry about something that matters like the mothers dragging around their toddlers in miniskirts, knee high boots and fur jackets. How do you think they'll grow up? I worry more about real life things than oh that girl in this game looks way too sexualised despite the fact I can't even tell it's a female suit when I'm too busy shooting in the game to even notice until I go to Tbag her corpse. Way to miss the point entirely. Miss the point? You're the one making to much out of it, read again, my point is clear, You're saying that Dust women are oversexualised, my point is that look around, real life, women these days dress alot more provacatively for you to call this oversexualised compared to everyday life, TV, and other games in general is a joke. I will admit though I got off topic at the end.
The point, was that there is a disparity between the representations of men & women in this game. Pointing out examples of this happening elsewhere adds nothing to the conversation. The case you are making, is akin to saying we don't have to worry about problems in our own countries/homes/lives, just because those problems are worse in other countries etc. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.12.24 17:47:00 -
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Dear god I cant brlieve this thread is here.
Its auite simple, the women in DUST are not overly secualized beyond normal body standards in females.
Sorry to burst your bubble but men and women don't look exactly the same...
This isn't some attempt by CCP to degrade women, it is a simple way to make genders distinct in the heat of combat. Simple as that. If you find yourself offended by this, I kind of think that you are LOOKIN for ways to make a mountain out of a molehill. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.12.24 18:10:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Super Cargo wrote:Wait, the women in DUST are overtly sexualized?
lol, you must have the decency standards of the Amish.
I'm glad you have expanded your mind in college but get off your high horse you stupid prick. This is a dumb thread.
I went to university!
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I must be smart now!
I use big words to prove that I'm smart!
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I'm a giant douche! Congrats on adding something constructive to the discussion.
Oh, I did.
I speculate university has not enriched your mind in the same light as it has mine.
Then again, perhaps I am presumptuous in assuming that a discourse regarding the proportions of a woman's body as well its sway, should not be taken so seriously on a gaming forum populated by men.
Words. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2012.12.24 18:13:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Gunner Visari wrote:
Also granted since their isnt any flesh behind these suits just circuitry it could be argued that you dont need a male/female variant of anything because the perfect soldier shape wouldnt be a a two armed two legged human but some 6-8 limbed creature that could multitask at a much greater level.
There is flesh these are clones rather than androids or whatever, funny this topic is still going when there is a much bigger issue, wheres the homosexual suit? I want to be able to mince along looking fabulous with my wrist bent in a stereotypical fashion.
You are now fabulously +1.
Flame on, Johnny Blaze! |
GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
60
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Posted - 2012.12.24 18:20:00 -
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No. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.12.24 20:47:00 -
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Listen, I just asked a female in my corp and she said that "games don't even offer female avatars. And, us, girls like to look sexy when we shoot you in the face".
So, if girls aren't upset and they like it...why are we making a stink about it?? |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.12.24 21:06:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Listen, I just asked a female in my corp and she said that "games don't even offer female avatars. And, us, girls like to look sexy when we shoot you in the face".
So, if girls aren't upset and they like it...why are we making a stink about it??
Good question. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.12.24 21:23:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Listen, I just asked a female in my corp and she said that "games don't even offer female avatars. And, us, girls like to look sexy when we shoot you in the face".
So, if girls aren't upset and they like it...why are we making a stink about it??
Anytime there are different gender avatars there will be someone who complains that something is over-sexualized just because they think in their opinion that it's really sexual. I've never thought it was sexualized. I still don't. They're different body types is all to me and I can't even tell the differences in game. I don't think "OH YEAH SHAKE THAT BOOTY." nor do I feel that it matters when we're playing. I think it's pretty stupid to cry over something that the "victims" don't even care about too...but hey that's my opinion, no need to force it on you.
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NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
63
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Posted - 2012.12.24 21:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Lets all calm down and all agree that Kazeno Rannaa's ideal woman (should he ever find one) will be flat of chest, small of hips with absolutely no sway to her hips and will dress in nothing but turtle necks and jeans. Because anything more seems to be an unrealistic and over sexualised view of women.
Once again I still fail to see what alot of people are complaining about. Go to your local shopping centers, spend at even a minute looking around and I guarantee you will within seconds find a girl dressed far more provacatively than this. If you find many women doing it then I have a feeling that oh I dunno... maybe that women dress that way in this day and age. Look at half the damn shows on TV they have women dress far more provacatively. You'll find a dropsuit that just follows a normal womans curves and the fact she has a very hip swaying walk is the least of your concerns.
Worry about something that matters like the mothers dragging around their toddlers in miniskirts, knee high boots and fur jackets. How do you think they'll grow up? I worry more about real life things than oh that girl in this game looks way too sexualised despite the fact I can't even tell it's a female suit when I'm too busy shooting in the game to even notice until I go to Tbag her corpse. Way to miss the point entirely. Miss the point? You're the one making to much out of it, read again, my point is clear, You're saying that Dust women are oversexualised, my point is that look around, real life, women these days dress alot more provacatively for you to call this oversexualised compared to everyday life, TV, and other games in general is a joke. I will admit though I got off topic at the end. The point, was that there is a disparity between the representations of men & women in this game. Pointing out examples of this happening elsewhere adds nothing to the conversation. The case you are making, is akin to saying we don't have to worry about problems in our own countries/homes/lives, just because those problems are worse in other countries etc.
Once again I still fail to see how breasts, and a rather hip swaying walk can possibly be be that bad but somehow you'll take offense to anything it seems. So I'm done with this now, you're the one averting your eyes from the fact that due to the way women interact and dress socially does change the way the world looks at things thus looking into this game from the outside people would then with this new perspective would say compared to other things and games I've seen this isn't bad at all. Because for the last time really how much of a difference between the two suits are there? Very little, save for breasts and a hip swaying walk. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2012.12.24 22:05:00 -
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I see your point and agree that you are entitled to it. I disagree with it.
I run two males and one female. I realize the distinction in the model animations have to be different because the male and female bodies are truly different. When you try to rig a 3-D animation skeleton you will learn that for a fact. Regardless of PC-ness.
I don't see how the sway of their hips is hyper sexualized. Without that indicator and the female form overall then there is no way to tell if my female character is actually female. We could (warning, bad joke flag) have them all wear pink suits. Which would get me killed within my own family, btw.
I actually commented to my S.O. that her hips moved, mostly correctly. Which is amazing when one considers that the majority of gamers and game developers have never seen a girl walking. Maybe walking away from them or more likely running away from them.
I enjoy seeing the female characters performing on the battlefield like regular mercs. Not just logistics but any and every job they want to take on. Helping or killing doesn't matter. Profits and winning matter to immortal mercenaries. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.24 22:07:00 -
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we do have pink suits? |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.12.24 22:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:we do have pink suits? Quafe suits are pink and white
Also wanted to point out that this is in fact a game and the women models don't have to meet real life expectations. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.12.24 22:30:00 -
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I think most reasonable people agree: the game is not overly sexualized, and the OP is making a big stink over nothing.
So: we have a few people that think female bodies acting similarly to how they do in the real world is hyper sexualized?
Uhhh, okay, whatever you want to believe, but this is definetly not fap material for basement dwellers.
I think it strikes the right spot between differentiating between man and woman without becoming overly sexualized. There is no skin showing, the boobs aren't humongous, the curves aren't exaggerated...
They are pretty normal and covered by completely by armor... Whats the problem here? -_- |
Wicked Glory
Doomheim
171
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Posted - 2012.12.24 22:39:00 -
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10/10 good troll. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.12.25 00:45:00 -
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Has anyone seen the female logi suits? Like, a thick latina :D |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:27:00 -
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I'm male and I chose to make my character female because I genuinely like characters I make being female, not just because it's something to look at.
I am displeased with how the females walk. I am also displeased with out there seems to be more emphases on the breasts than there really should be (The armor there should be more armor-like and less spandex-like.) I am most displeased that they are in high heels. What the **** is up with that?
Though, I am very glad that females aren't characturized and the models themselves are pretty realistic considering that these are enhanced clones. I am also glad that they aren't actively sexualized and the is no cleave holes in the armor which most games would probably do.
I really hope that Eves character creation system is included in dust so we can actually improve our characters how we like... Though that'd put a lot of stress of the servers as well as our PS3s... At least have it for MQs. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.12.25 02:05:00 -
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Okay, no no no, just so wrong.
First of all these are far from overtly sexual. They are completely covered. The fact that they have breasts and a different hip structure just shows they are women. Do you want them to have male bodies?
Admitting women have a different body shape is not overtly sexualizing women. It is admitting that women look different.
Women do not walk like men. The reason many games avoid this is they do not want to have to implement two different bone structures. CCP was great enough to do it. Much of that sway in the hips is natural.
People are far too quick to see something as offensive to women, and that itself is sexist to women. It is an old form of chivalry, and protecting of women. The source of that feeling of protection comes from seeing women as a property to protect. During times of war you protect resources, and women were one of those resources. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.12.25 02:07:00 -
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Reimus Klinsman wrote:I'm male and I chose to make my character female because I genuinely like characters I make being female, not just because it's something to look at.
I am displeased with how the females walk. I am also displeased with out there seems to be more emphases on the breasts than there really should be (The armor there should be more armor-like and less spandex-like.) I am most displeased that they are in high heels. What the **** is up with that?
Though, I am very glad that females aren't characturized and the models themselves are pretty realistic considering that these are enhanced clones. I am also glad that they aren't actively sexualized and the is no cleave holes in the armor which most games would probably do.
I really hope that Eves character creation system is included in dust so we can actually improve our characters how we like... Though that'd put a lot of stress of the servers as well as our PS3s... At least have it for MQs. I fight in a competitive sport, and I fight against women. The armour they wear does show their breasts. Not only because sometimes they like it to, but also because they are just there and you can not help but see it there. It would look stupid and cover a lot of air if they tried to hide the breasts. Not to mention the extra armour to hide them would weigh more. You want to cut down on extra unneeded material. |
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.25 02:30:00 -
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I have come to notice that the OP and Chunky have managed to grab the trolling posts and use selective reading whenever they read someone's post that uses some tact in there comments(by this I mean they interpret what they want out of the post).
After reading and posting in this thread I went online and googled and searched pics of the Olympic women contenders. During competitions and off of the field. I have to say after doing some research that a lot of those women have good sized breast rather large butts that would look good in a gallente scout suit. Now most of them don't have large hips, do to hip size usually being the first to fall off when you get into good shape and you can't really tell how they walk from still shots. So as far as it goes out side of there walk and their shoes which could be used as women are generally shorter and they need to be as tall as the men so just pump them up a little(for games hit box sake), or just make the a little bit girly. I think CCP has done a pretty good job of capturing women as a whole in this video game where a particular type of woman is need to fill the roles that we are playing.
As stated the OP was trying to ask and confront those about the way they feel about the game, but after people started posting with some respect and some without bout how they feel he left. Chunky has come in to take over on the for front, but has managed to grab troll post and interpret what he/she wants out of people's comments and make snide comments towards that person. I have not offended you or assumed anything in your direction, but you Chunky have attacked and tried to troll/offend me twice. Both times I have come back with respectful answers to you assumptions explaining my side, and both times you have left my comments alone. I find this rather hilarious for someone looking for a debate which you clearly are by your use of words and tact. You two(OP and Chunky) have not brought anything to the table that has not already been posted in the first post by the OP. Where most people who have tried to debate you have brought mutiple, yet you do the same to them. Troll them through misinterpretation or leave their comments alone when you have nothing to return fire with.
For someone looking to debate you my friend have failed, and I hope that this thread dies along with your attempts to debate those who oppose you. I will still be here reading to see if anything new comes up on you two's side which I doubt it will.
This was not an attack on your free time I do understand the days that this thread is taking place in and that family comes first if you do have anything else to add please do it after your RL things are taking care of.
Family first it is SC's way don't believe it come read it for yourself.
Happy Holidays. Dover. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.12.25 02:51:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:You should complain how the men are tall and well built, with an even and powerful frame.
It's wrong to want "perfection" in "perfect" combat clones, am I right? lol fkn ausome plus 1 bro
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:01:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:SO,
After a couple years of school, and some amazing instructors, I have begun to develop and refine my perception of sociocultural interactions and the scaffolding they occur within. One of my perceptions that has undergone a changing and reattenuation of its lens is that of our media and its representation of women.
Now my question to both you, the beta players and the developers of Dust 514, is what do you think of the overtly sexualized female character models? The accentuated breasts, the apparent necessity of the female character models to go into combat in high heel wedge boot, or the obvious need for the models to swing their hips in a sexy saunter while the male models are able to calmly strut around? Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist? Especially when, if one takes a moment to think about it, would not want their mother, grandmother, daughter, sister, aunt or any other women of regard in their lives to be portrayed in said like manner.
I could be going out on a limb by making a grand generalization as that, but I feel that I am not that far off base.
SO, if you have an opinion about this, I would love to hear it. I think this is a relevant today, given how, through our inundation via mass media and technology, we are constantly enculturated and socialized with what are the socially and culturally acceptable forms of representation of self and others, how we choose to interact with those identities, and what level of empathic understanding we apply to them. This is to be inclusive of socializing the behavior of objectification for the purpose of commodification so as to produce and accumulate material wealth.
Kind of like killing for profit. Maybe it's not so bad since we are clones? But do you think realistically a woman would want to make sure to sway her hips while int he process of preparing to go into combat and commit mass murder? I mean really? women will always BE women and always the fairer of the species.We as men LOVE women because of there actions,movement,speech because they and there actions are different from us.My mother was beautiful when she was young and in her fashion found a man that would take care of her and be the father to her children.This is ingrained INTO the species this is how from a base perspective we PROCREATE and pass on our genes.Because of this selection.This is the base of human evolution.
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Sgt Kirk
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
347
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:11:00 -
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I don't see the problem here. There's a general suit build for each type of suit. It would be ridiculous for each suit to be specialize for women's breast size. That's not realistic. Now I do relize we are it the future and you can create the perfect clone but thatill probably be done away with if they let us customize our clones. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:24:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I don't see the problem here. There's a general suit build for each type of suit. It would be ridiculous for each suit to be specialize for women's breast size. That's not realistic. Now I do relize we are it the future and you can create the perfect clone but thatill probably be done away with if they let us customize our clones. Everyone acts like these are CLONES of there character....THEY are not. They are 3 different Archtypes.The clone the WAY it was engineered has the ability to let YOU the user SLIP out your consciousness at the moment of DEATH.There are 3 type of bodies.The guy who was engineered for running(the scout)a guy with a little speed and toughness body(the assault)and a stocky TYPE body frame for heavy.Each of the 3 types is mass produced like a Ford,Chevy,Dodge.We the character lay in a bed an "jack in" |
Rugman91
Deep Space Republic
143
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:33:00 -
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I pretty much agree with op. my biggest beef with it is that it's just unrealistic. Yes I know women have different body types but for suits like this it would not be apparent. Anyone here a Metroid fan? If you don't know, the main character is a women with a similar suit to dust mercs. I have so much respect for those games for not making samus a big boobed bimbo. In the first Metriod you don't even know she's a girl untill the end of the game. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:46:00 -
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NovaShadowStorm wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Lets all calm down and all agree that Kazeno Rannaa's ideal woman (should he ever find one) will be flat of chest, small of hips with absolutely no sway to her hips and will dress in nothing but turtle necks and jeans. Because anything more seems to be an unrealistic and over sexualised view of women.
Once again I still fail to see what alot of people are complaining about. Go to your local shopping centers, spend at even a minute looking around and I guarantee you will within seconds find a girl dressed far more provacatively than this. If you find many women doing it then I have a feeling that oh I dunno... maybe that women dress that way in this day and age. Look at half the damn shows on TV they have women dress far more provacatively. You'll find a dropsuit that just follows a normal womans curves and the fact she has a very hip swaying walk is the least of your concerns.
Worry about something that matters like the mothers dragging around their toddlers in miniskirts, knee high boots and fur jackets. How do you think they'll grow up? I worry more about real life things than oh that girl in this game looks way too sexualised despite the fact I can't even tell it's a female suit when I'm too busy shooting in the game to even notice until I go to Tbag her corpse. Way to miss the point entirely. Miss the point? You're the one making to much out of it, read again, my point is clear, You're saying that Dust women are oversexualised, my point is that look around, real life, women these days dress alot more provacatively for you to call this oversexualised compared to everyday life, TV, and other games in general is a joke. I will admit though I got off topic at the end. The point, was that there is a disparity between the representations of men & women in this game. Pointing out examples of this happening elsewhere adds nothing to the conversation. The case you are making, is akin to saying we don't have to worry about problems in our own countries/homes/lives, just because those problems are worse in other countries etc. Once again I still fail to see how breasts, and a rather hip swaying walk can possibly be be that bad but somehow you'll take offense to anything it seems. So I'm done with this now, you're the one averting your eyes from the fact that due to the way women interact and dress socially does change the way the world looks at things thus looking into this game from the outside people would then with this new perspective would say compared to other things and games I've seen this isn't bad at all. Because for the last time really how much of a difference between the two suits are there? Very little, save for breasts and a hip swaying walk.
Breasts are obviously necessary to depict a grown woman, and a different skeletal structure means that a different walk is also required. Once again you seem to be missing the point. These things aren't the issue. The issue is that all male suits are all painfully vanilla, ordinary athletic men. Meanwhile, the only way CCP seems capable of depicting a female equivalent is "**** & ass".
It troubles Kaz, myself, and many others, that this seems to be the best the gaming industry can offer. Dust's depiction of women is not comparable to the likes of Tomb Raider, Grand Theft Auto, or Dead Or Alive. You only need look at the hassle the TR reboot got for trying to depict both a realistic & attractive woman to seenwhat the rest of the world thinks of this industry. GTA is a commentary on our own society, and our own society contains such flaws. And finally, no self-respecting male plays DOA games for the gameplay. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.12.25 04:03:00 -
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I have only one more thing to comment on this thread.I play Playstation Home there are many females on PS Home.For those of you who do not know what PS Home is.It basically a 3 dimensional chat room where by you have a 3demensional charecter that is personified within that space that interacts with other users.You can dress up your Avatar with different clothes and hair all different things to change the appearance of your character .........of the women that I know that play that game/service NONE of them make there character ugly ,fat or plain. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.12.25 04:21:00 -
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Can't believe you think it actually matters what women are stereotyped as in Dust.
Let's try to agree on this one thing I have to say: You aren't going to make a difference by going into a beta forum and making excessive rants against anyone who disagrees with you, if you REALLY give that much of a ****, you will go to places that people actually see, like modeling agencies that only show the hottest and sexiest women to advertise their clothing.
But if you don't give a ****, and the only point of making this thread was to make people argue about nothing, then continue to troll these forums, and something tells me you will choose the latter choice. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.25 04:25:00 -
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I'm still not seeing the whole sexualization thing. Unless you're seriously looking hard, you can't tell really tell the difference between males and females on here. The first time I saw a female merc in the warbarge at the beginning of the fight someone had to not only tell me there was a female character in the match. They actually had to tell me what person it was otherwise I wouldn't have known the difference. And that was by the name of the character and where they were standing. |
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