As stated IMO DOA was the epitome of fighting games, what do you think killed.

Again this is not what I want for Dust, and if this thread helps for people to realize that this is not oversexualization then I will bump it to make sure this thread never leaves the Dust forums.

Again Chunky you have a way of not reading what is written. He is stating that it is the norm, not that it is right just that it is the norm. It is what we see everyday if you see something and tell yourself that is normal you will begin to see it(I am not saying that this is how the poster feels, I am saying this is the norm of society. Right or wrong.).

His post is stating the same thing that I have been saying the whole time that these are not average women in this game they are women of athleticism, not average women.

To you who think this is sexist can you please describe in what way the women "should" look? Oh and if you can then you will also be sexist in thinking all women should look that way.

When or if, this game gets a character creation/design thing you can make your women avatars look like supermodels or like a dyke. As of now there is nothing to complain about.

Also what about the well formed guys in the game my ass does not look like that nor could my gut fit in the armor isn't it sexist in depicting men in a muscular yet slim build?

The issue is that they, and you, think that is the norm. This is what I was talking about when I said people sincerely don't see anything wrong with they way they think about these issues.
Demi Moore is not the average woman. The female scout does not look like an athlete. Finding some olympic athletes that do look like this isn't a valid argument.
I've pointed this out more than twice now, and you're still accusing me of missing the point. It gradually sounds more & more like projection.

If the men looked like classical Greek statues, this forum thread wouldn't be about sexism, it would just be about silly character models.
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The issue, as I've said before, is that the only way CCP thought to identify a woman, is by turning her into a Barbie doll.

So its just how an artist designed a girl its not CCP saying this is how all women should be. I doubt all of CCP sat around and said enlarge that make that more defined there was probably one dev was told to make the female model he made then presented it they said it will do and thats all there is to it

You are creating a false concern that has nothing to do with real women. Its just an artistic depiction. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I am done with this.

Classical greek male statue look like they are in pretty good shape if you ask me.

Edit: sorry link did not work but go ahead and look up some classical Greek statues of men.

That's my point: if we were looking at potential underwear models of either gender nobody would have a problem. At least not a sexism problem.

but she is not posing for any advertising. She is not posing at all, unless you take it that way which is your own prerogative. Also Greek statues don't look silly outside of missing appendages, they look athletic and like fit people.

wasn't it the boob physics that got that series popular?

I'm not sure how that matters.
I'm not saying Greek statues are silly, just that if the mercs all looked like aesthetically idealised humans, that would be silly.

Okay so I have a quick question does it make us people who don't care about sexualism or people that are mature enough to look past a female body since we never noticed before this thread.

Because to me it was just a woman not the perfect woman, not the best athlete, not a sex idol not just an avatar for me to shoot at that represented the enemy or someone on my team to protect, rep, revive, and play with.

Clearly you are someone who recognises that sexism something that should be addressed.
Nearly all issues of sexism stem from the public perception of women. The fact that you can look at the female mercs and not see an issue, is just one more example of that.

I thought we covered this on our first exchange.

Please let this die.
If you really care about this, gtfo and try putting your opinion in places that people actually look. If you think you can change anything by getting the character models in this game changed, you've got another thing coming.

Why does Jenza have to have a sultry British accent.Like Liz Hurly.Why cant she have Jersey girl accent.....lol im just kidding Jenza

I think the general opinion was stated on one of the first (if not THE FIRST) pages-
-Players would rather have female characters have an athletic build
-Once we get a better character creation process, this won't matter anyway

We don't need to hear everyone ranting about such a small issue.

*sigh* Always one...


Look, I'm going to be honest with you here, I have never noticed the difference between the two models. At all. As I was reading the original post, I was trying to remember a time where I actually looked at the models for an extended amount of time and found that these memories don't exist, even with my female vehicle clone. Only time i've ever looked at either model for an extended amount of time is when I'm trying to figure out if that is just one big*** backpack on the back of my SVER Logibro suit.

I'm starting to wonder if I could make a case for overtly-sexualized male character models. I mean it's been going on for so long and I NEVER hear anyone talking about those. Then again, maybe I just live in an area with an abnormally low concentration of tall, buff dudes.


EDIT: In my...mental thing about fixing errors in my post, I started thinking about that backpack thing again. I'll figure it out one of these days.

But how is that sexist if no one see it as sexy no one looks at it as a sexual image. We would not have looked at it in any other way if she had looked more idealistic to the people that feel like this oversexualized.

if I see someone in real life that I feel is over the top i would make a comment about it being wrong. Much like people have stated in earlier post in society if i see something like that. I make comment she or he should not look like that it is not respectfull to them or anyone else. I don't get where me not seeing this as disrespectful to me or anyone observing it because it is not sexy makes sexist.

I think as you stated this is all up to interpretation and each individuals thresholds of sexy. They only good news I see is for me where most of the people don't see this as sexy. Which falls to another issue of desensitivity of society. Which falls to a perception of change and a system of liberal and conservative. The conservative feel that we should feel like we used to and women should be wrapped up and covered for the world not to see them and protected from the preying eyes of the perverted man. This is wrong because it destroys a section of society by control. On the other hand you have the liberal which feels that they should be given the freedom to do as they see fit within the confounds of the law that is in charge at the time. This also cause issues because it constantly pushes limits which eventually may take us to a point where we don't care what people do as a whole.

This all is a very political/ethical thing which i think does not belong here on this forum. It is a matter of opinion, and I don't see either of ours changing. There is no right or wrong there is only a matter of opinion, this will not change things. The reason I fought so hard was because I seen what you were getting at and I did not want it to effect Dust as a whole. If CCP wants to change it then they should but they should change it because they want to, and if they do they will do it because they felt like they have offended people. Which is respectful of them and wise from a business stand point. If they don't I stand by them in the right to make their avatars as they want them to look and that they don't see it as over sexualization.

1Clip was right we will not agree we have different opinions and we have probably a lot of different stand points. That we will not agree on. You have stood by your opinion strong and fought well. I wish I could have the education to stand toe to toe with you for this debate, but it is not education that decides this it is opinion. Very well done Chunky, I still stand by my point and hope that they don't change her because I feel there is no need to. Also this is one of the few times I have not fought my point ongoing, well done.

P.S. sorry for the political rant