Here I thought that this thread would produce an intelligent discussion within these forums, but all I have seen are continued examples of how consumer culture has continued to invade and twist social perceptions through their commodification of reified female sexuality and sexual traits.

The world should have ended on Friday.

This is my thing if you(a female) were to create a character yourselves body type and all 95% of woman will make themselves look like they just came out of a fantasy playboy issue as they do with mosy MMO games..


When do you ever see a FAT GIRL representation of themselves, Most will create someone who in there eyes they wanna be..
Im sorry but i feel that this is the way of the world today same as a male 95% of the time you wont find a guy creating a skimp ass version of themselves you know, There gonna be buff with some overbearing voice and a new persona...When there a fat kid with glasses and soprano toned voice,

viewing it as a sexist act kinda contradicts and has a hint of sexism in it anyway i mean unless your american(which i am) most woman are petite and are very sexual people, you would be underminding yourselves to potray yourself as anything less,

not to mention it brings unification to the table like a uniform school cant make jokes if you all look the same no? just saying

Here I thought that this thread would produce an intelligent discussion within these forums, but all I have seen are continued examples of how consumer culture has continued to invade and twist social perceptions through their commodification of reified female sexuality and sexual traits.

The world should have ended on Friday.

Why does sex sell should be what you are asking? Why are so many companies using beautiful women to sell there products?

Because it works!

To be honest, I wouldn't have said that they were overtly sexualised. The Heavies still lumber around carrying their HMGs and their Forge guns. In fact, during a game, I can't usually tell if any given character is male or female.

I'll certainly take another look, now that you've mentioned it, but I think that dust is considerably better than most games at treating both sexes equally.

In real life, women and men wear the same fatigues, armour and use the same equipment. It's generally very difficult to tell them apart from their male colleagues without seeing their faces or hearing them speak.

In Dust, ALL the characters models, have helmets and are silent. Therefore to match real life, there should just be one character model for each class. However, rather than being lauded for it's realism, that would have the game labeled as sexist for only allowing male characters.

That is a cop-out. So just because we are attempting to entertain ourselves, this sort of behavior is OK to perpetuate? I have issues with your logic. It may require you to further explain yourself.

Ah, nice straw man, so murder is ok in a video game but perpetuating attractive female avatars to further sell your product isn't?

That is bollocks. Women of today have been socialized into those behaviors and perceptions and your active participation in the perpetuation of those kind of perceptions is a bit appalling. The thing is that is doesn't all rest in the laps of men; women also participate in the perpetuation of such objectification.

And because you are American, and as Americans we tout this idea that every one is equal; that our country is equitable, yet you promote this idea that as Americans it is only natural (and thereby a performance of our desire to fulfill our perceived reified ideals) for American's to act in this manner.
I am dumb founded by you skewed logic and I fear for any and all women in your presence.

This is YET ANOTHER example of what we should fear about this line of thought. You seem completely unable to be reflective in your thoughts and actions. Again, do you want your mother, daughter, sister, aunts, or even your wife to be hypersexualized, objectified, commodified, and then sold?

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And anyone who thinks it's okay to justify this representation of women because these clones would be based on the model of the "perfect woman" is simply wrong - they would be modeled on the "perfect female soldier" who most probably wouldn't have huge breasts and walk with the wibbliest wobbliest hips ever seen (because that simply wouldn't be practical for combat!).

SO,
Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist?

No because its a fictional game, depicting fictional, athlete ised , idealised versions of human beings. Action movie humans if you will.

Nobody expects you to look like that.

I mean this is the nicest possible way:

If you genuinely think this is an issue with Dust 514, I suggest you stop playing Dust and re-prioritise. There are much bigger fish to fry in the endless sex war debate. For example; the portrayal of women in glossy magazines, soap operas and advertising.

While I'm sure you eager to flex you new found analytical muscles, and it must be nice and empowering for you, a beta forum for a game is a terrible place to conduct a qualitative study on gender perceptions. Its not empirical, and you just come across is one of those tools who did a 101 class in first year who pretend to be an authority on -insert social science here- on the internet. Its not impressive, and smacks of the worst kind of academic arrogance.

So. From what I understand this is the majority of the issues, simplified:

Men don't have inflated breast plates that show off, and protect, their imaginary tig-ol-bitties.

Women have these things for their tig-ol-bitties. Making them over-sexualized.


Men don't "sway" with the way that they walk. It's just "asexual". (Which I find total BS because they swing their shoulders which SHOULD have the same damn complaints if you want to cry about swaying in the women. Because not all men walk like that...only the "manly man")

Women do sway their hips thus making them objects of sex in our eyes. Not all women walk like that except the "womenly women"


Solutions:

1. None. Unless you just keep the curve bodies for women and allow for them, no matter the size, to have flat chest plates. That or have customization but oh wait. We're in a beta and I doubt that would even be a focus until it's about to be put out.

2. Simply just find a manner in which all characters walk. No shoulder swinging, no hip swinging, just walking.


Never expected Dust to get the "hyper-sexualization" stick because I mean really...wtf focuses on the women models, who are fully clothed and shaped according to their roles by the way (e.g. heavy), while we're fighting a battle?

I never thought "wow that's pretty hot". Actually I've thought "Oh wow. That's a female...nice ass." And kept going. >_> You can say that "hyper-sexualization" but P sure women could say the same thing about the men models and they wouldn't have an issue.

Hyper-sexualization is when you have things GROSSLY sexualized. I'm talking half naked, unfair representation (Being honestly it's fairly "unfair" representation with the manly men and womenly women), and extra sexy movement (which has been proven to not actually be stimulating enough for men to be able to tell them apart).

Of course. The only thing that's holding this back is customization. I'll agree that we're limited but DO NOT KITTEN SAY THIS GAME IS OVER-SEXUALIZED WHEN A MAJORITY OF PLAYERS CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MODELS MOST OF THE TIME.

Crack is wack, and smoke is a joke. Get good and adapt or die.

Really??? So are you a deeply misunderstood transsexual? ... don't use it as a shield or a means to justify demeaning behavior.

NOPE. People such as yourself are what help continue the race and gender wars that continue to plague humanity. I like the game, and I enjoy a lot of the other interactions that come with it, but that doesn't mean that I should except STEREOTYPES.

TBQH I find your sexist and obviously homophobic statements to be DISTURBING. You did read what you typed out BEFORE hitting the send button, right? ... And why do you feel the necessity to be such a blatantly misogynistic bigot with your gay bashing comments? Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

Honestly though I think your response is analogous of what a hegemonic order does to those that find fault in the status quo; attack, discredit, demoralize, and if all those don't work, co-opt commodify and commercialize.

Everyone should just shut the hell up this is an unnecessary thread, OP should be glad CCP even bothered to put female models in the game because its not like it actually improved the game and no the models don't look stupid they look like females in amour which obviously looks strange as in real life women don't even fight on the front lines because they are the weaker sex whether you like it or not and if the female models didn't look like females what would be the point in putting them in the game anyway ??

Overall I don't think this is an issue at all considering that the men and women in the media are complicit with the whole thing. Think about it. Why do women act the way they act in soap operas? Why do women dress and pose the way they do in magazines? Why do women cosplay (sexually) the way they do in gaming and anime conventions? I have seen plenty of women do that in conventions. A friend of mine told me he saw a hot girl dressed in nothing more than a special kind of body latex paint to cosplay as an anime character. And I was thinking to myself... "wow, I never expected to see so many women who are willfully complicit with the whole concept of how the ideal woman would look like".

I see the same thing with men who in Men's Health Magazine, People Magazine, Time Magazine, films, TV shows, etc. in which men are complicit with the concept of how the ideal man would look like.

None of these willing participants were forced into doing what they do. They do it because they find that they are good at it or it makes them money or brings them fame.

This is why I don't see the sexualization of men and women as an issue anymore because everyone is in on it. What's the point of going to church to confess your sins if you have nothing to confess?

Why do women cosplay (sexually) the way they do in gaming and anime conventions? I have seen plenty of women do that in conventions.