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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:41:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JUST SHUT UP Those of you still arguing about this are absolute retards- none of you even have any decent points left. The future presence of a character creator destroyed this thread before it started.
The war of the dumbasses will now continue, despite this and the previously similar posts.
Umadbro? |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:41:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JUST SHUT UP Those of you still arguing about this are absolute retards- none of you even have any decent points left. The future presence of a character creator destroyed this thread before it started.
The war of the dumbasses will now continue, despite this and the previously similar posts.
Agreed, at this rate they'll scrap any use of the carbon creator for this. |
Jofur MUR
Body Snatchers LLC
40
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:43:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:
I'm simply calling BS on your ability to identify dropsuit gender. Anyone who wants relevant intel on a red dot looks for every detail. Unless you fight someone at mid-long range, you should be able to identify even the level of the dropsuit.
How relevant is the designation of sex during a battle in DUST514? For all you naysayers I give you the following scenario...
Imagine if you will a costly battle that has taken up five of the total grueling ten minutes that this battle would endure. As you burden the harshness of your air conditioned room, and momentarily quench your thirst with a sweetened sugary drink that goes down like a pungent sweet spirit. Your headset explodes with a cacophony of chatter. You spit out your drink. Over the Comm: "Guys, guys! Radar shows three boobs and a sausage covering Alpha, a squad of sausages moving towards our position, we are probably going to need to evac, and a ... I don't know... it's difficult to pinpoint, I think it's a transsexual heading over towards Charlie! What do we do guys? What do we do?"
So what do you do?
Be prepared just like Chunky Munkey.
d(^_^ d)
"Leave no man to die." Project9 |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:45:00 -
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You get to see peoples suits in the warbarge too, so your looks are relevant off the field as well. We're suppose to be able to jump into a bar with Eve guys someday too. |
Dr Debo Galaxy
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
190
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:46:00 -
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If you look at the male body type in games they are sexually driven also. There are no pot belly, acne faced, or really skinny male heros. They are usually big muscular men, with strong jaws, deep voices, and powerful. I would say what is displayed to men as a character model is what men think women want. And on the same token they develop what they think women think men want.
How come no one wants mater chief to have acne? Or the assasians creed dude to be fate and pear shaped? Also are video games really the snakes head of all this. Fashion magazines, hollywood, social bias, or any other places would be a much better start. I understand to some women it is offensive, but I feel if we made women fat, flat chested, or ugly, women would judge these characters harsher then most men.
This is more of a quark of humans than a major society fault. If we saw, lets say, long necks as sexy, we would be complaining that the video game characters all have 3 foot long necks. Or long skulls, or large plates in womens lips. Humans want to spread the dna to the next generation. It is so strong we will make chioces on what we will buy based on this need. Sub conciously we are all attracted to this stuff, we see a problem when are logical brain takes over.
DON'T PANIC
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:47:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:such a sarcastic thread. Do you really believe sexism would be an issue if women weren't bringing it up? So I really couldn't care less what a males opinion is on sexism. And if females have a problem with an athletic built stereotypical female model then they can wipe the jelly tears from there face and grow up - you don't see me bitching that most every male protagonist would look great on a sports catalogue magazines. Looks sell anyways - ugly doesn't. Look at all the people crying for higher graphic quality and HD resolution.
Don't talk about it and the problem will go away!? Are you for real? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:47:00 -
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Jofur MUR wrote:"Guys, guys! Radar shows three boobs and a sausage covering Alpha, a squad of sausages moving towards our position, we are probably going to need to evac, and a ... I don't know... it's difficult to pinpoint, I think it's a transsexual heading over towards Charlie! What do we do guys? What do we do?"
Saving this in a document for whenever we get forum signatures. |
Jofur MUR
Body Snatchers LLC
40
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:49:00 -
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Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:
DON'T PANIC
Too late Doc! Too late.
"Leave no man to die." Project9 |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:50:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JUST SHUT UP Those of you still arguing about this are absolute retards- none of you even have any decent points left. The future presence of a character creator destroyed this thread before it started.
The war of the dumbasses will now continue, despite this and the previously similar posts. Umadbro?
Proof that you don't care about this topic, and you just want to troll up the forums. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:52:00 -
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Is that a Back to the Future reference?? |
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Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:53:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JUST SHUT UP Those of you still arguing about this are absolute retards- none of you even have any decent points left. The future presence of a character creator destroyed this thread before it started.
The war of the dumbasses will now continue, despite this and the previously similar posts. Umadbro? Proof that you don't care about this topic, and you just want to troll up the forums.
It's Chunky Munkey, that's about all he does is troll. Him and Tom Gerard would be great friends. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:53:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:such a sarcastic thread. Do you really believe sexism would be an issue if women weren't bringing it up? So I really couldn't care less what a males opinion is on sexism. And if females have a problem with an athletic built stereotypical female model then they can wipe the jelly tears from there face and grow up - you don't see me bitching that most every male protagonist would look great on a sports catalogue magazines. Looks sell anyways - ugly doesn't. Look at all the people crying for higher graphic quality and HD resolution. Don't talk about it and the problem will go away!? Are you for real? What problem? You're like PETA. Not every attractive model has to go through feminist scrutiny to be accepted. The models are fine - it's the people who bring this up as a problem who have the issue.
It's simple - we're human, you have parts, the other gender have parts, we're all of the same race. So, if we're all to look at something that's going to look like us, why not something attractive? It's not showing anything indecent and it's provocative nature is derailed by the weak level of interaction and being able to do anything but stare at a good looking female athletically stereotypical build that's covered head to toe in frickin' armor.
Can you see why this thread seems a little... dumb? |
tastzlike chicken
ROGUE SPADES
59
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:54:00 -
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@Chunky Munkey
I love your ice-cream...
Edit: -and I don't mean that in some weird oversexualized-drop-suit kinda way. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:55:00 -
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tastzlike chicken wrote:@Chunky Munkey
I love your ice-cream...
Fudge Brownie is better!!! |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:32:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Please let this die. If you really care about this, gtfo and try putting your opinion in places that people actually look. If you think you can change anything by getting the character models in this game changed, you've got another thing coming. We know that and everyone here knows that. The thing is CCP didn't lock this for a reason because they wanted to see what we felt as a whole. The only problem is that we are two sided on the issue, that is why it won't die. I am arguing for the sake of Dust not the world. No CCP don't give a **** because its a design decision, the reason the threads open is they don't want to be accused of censorship. Personally i find this whole thread distasteful.
A distasteful thread is more than welcome to be closed by CCP at their disclosure along with one that they feel is going nowhere and is becoming just a "I know you are but what am I' thread as well. That is their right as per the NDA.
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:34:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Nobody has to see it as sexy for it to be sexualised.
For me this makes no sense if it is not taken in a sexual manner how can it be sexualized. Other than by perverting the original idea to something else. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:25:00 -
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@ Kaz
Female avatars are not a selling point to this game and will never be so. The way they look I feel does not affect any aspect of this game in any way or the media it will recieve.
I would also like to say that through sociocultural studies we try to deny our animal urges in an attempt to be better than them.
Also to your last question. No I don't want my daughter to be thought of as something to be owned. But I am completely aware that she will have men attracted to her just because she is an able bodied woman for procreation. The same way that I am able to as a man to find a woman attractive just because she is an able body woman as well without taking in to consideration age, height weight and actual over all attractiveness. Given this I am able to not think of myself as a weird pervert because I understand myself as a human. No I do not act on these instinctual urges or feel bad for it because I have this understanding.
This does not apply to insest in that we as humans know that this can produce weakness and abnormalities in the offspring so is only brought about at truly desperate times to reproduce for the need to continue, and those who are actually sick in the head to see this as an option given the know facts and risks for the offspring. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:56:00 -
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Ya know what would be cool?
If they only had one model for everything, but still gave you the option of picking between male and female.
Then it'd be completely accurate. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.28 00:15:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ya know what would be cool?
If they only had one model for everything, but still gave you the option of picking between male and female.
Then it'd be completely accurate.
I do believe that is how it used to be or is that what you are getting at. Forgive me I don't know how long you have been here. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:00:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote:Having been in actual warfare, even bothering to tell what gender the person shooting at you is would not be productive. Since there are no combat suits in real life the first thing you look for is what are they shooting with and where so you can shoot them instead. I got an idea, how about you and your college buddy Kazeno or whatever his name is go off to combat and see how long you spend worrying about what gender the person shooting at you is. As for on here, I still can't tell the difference between the suit genders. Even looking at screenshots where it says female suit I can't tell.
Nobody is playing "guess the gender" it's just easy to spot for anyone closer than 100m. |
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:02:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JUST SHUT UP Those of you still arguing about this are absolute retards- none of you even have any decent points left. The future presence of a character creator destroyed this thread before it started.
The war of the dumbasses will now continue, despite this and the previously similar posts. Umadbro? Proof that you don't care about this topic, and you just want to troll up the forums.
Proof that I have little respect for someone who wants to call people retards rather than either contribute to, or ignore the conversation. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:02:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JUST SHUT UP Those of you still arguing about this are absolute retards- none of you even have any decent points left. The future presence of a character creator destroyed this thread before it started.
The war of the dumbasses will now continue, despite this and the previously similar posts. Umadbro?
Don't use stupid, out dated memes, it makes you look even more stupid than your posting in this thread.
Also, just so you know i've reported your post because this thread needs closing. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:06:00 -
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Goat of Dover wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Nobody has to see it as sexy for it to be sexualised.
For me this makes no sense if it is not taken in a sexual manner how can it be sexualized. Other than by perverting the original idea to something else.
I guess it's a "tree falling in the woods" scenario. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:45:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JUST SHUT UP Those of you still arguing about this are absolute retards- none of you even have any decent points left. The future presence of a character creator destroyed this thread before it started.
The war of the dumbasses will now continue, despite this and the previously similar posts. Umadbro? Don't use stupid, out dated memes, it makes you look even more stupid than your posting in this thread. Also, just so you know i've reported your post because this thread needs closing.
It's a shame you feel the need to forcibly shut down the conversation rather than just ignore it. I couldn't care less what you think of my meme usage. I mock someone who is so infuriated by the mere prospect of this conversation. If you have a problem with that, cry me a river.
This thread has gone on as long as it has because there are strong opinions on either side. That alone is grounds for it not being censored by your insignificant annoyance. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.28 01:53:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote:Having been in actual warfare, even bothering to tell what gender the person shooting at you is would not be productive. Since there are no combat suits in real life the first thing you look for is what are they shooting with and where so you can shoot them instead. I got an idea, how about you and your college buddy Kazeno or whatever his name is go off to combat and see how long you spend worrying about what gender the person shooting at you is. As for on here, I still can't tell the difference between the suit genders. Even looking at screenshots where it says female suit I can't tell. Nobody is playing "guess the gender" it's just easy to spot for anyone closer than 100m.
Had quite a few people today closer then 100m, and no I couldn't tell their gender. I was too busy shooting at them and trying to avoid dying to worry about what gender the shooter was, beyond that I was more focused on making sure the sights stayed on the target so I could kill them and move to to the next one. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:00:00 -
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If one more person posts here, I'm closing the kitchen down. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:42:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:If one more person posts here, I'm closing the kitchen down.
But Icy I am still hungry. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.12.28 08:03:00 -
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I feel like I can add to this conversation.
Ok I am a male 76 inches tall and 240 lbs (193.04cm 108.862 KG) I have a 56 inch chest and a 40 inch waist, my inseam is 36, my neck is 18 inches I spent 2 years active duty for US Army as Infantry and the last 6 years as an AH-64D Avionics repairer in the National Guard My full time job is that of an armed guard at a housing project in the city I live in. so big builky and used to running when i have to.
I think the Male suits are fine, I think personally I would only Fit into a Heavy suit if this were RL
my Wife is 68 inches tall and 128 lbs ((172.72 cm 58.0598 kg) 36 inch chest with C cups and a size 5 waist (whatever that is in inches) small neck and arms she is a Former Gymnastics instructor...
I asked my wife what she thought of the female soldiers in dust and her exact words were " hope I could look that good in a suit like that" I asked what she thought about the hip sway she said " I don't run like that it wastes energy" then she asked me if some women in the Army run like that , to which I responded, "none that I know of"
I asked what she thought of the boots, she said "looks like someone likes anime, didnt those giant robots from that one show have heels?" Macross mechs had heels but they had boosters in the arch
EDIT: ok my wife is a little weird, she just told me the male suits were Sexy |
DON RODIE II
Deep Space Republic
168
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Posted - 2012.12.28 09:22:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:SO,
After a couple years of school, and some amazing instructors, I have begun to develop and refine my perception of sociocultural interactions and the scaffolding they occur within. One of my perceptions that has undergone a changing and reattenuation of its lens is that of our media and its representation of women.
Now my question to both you, the beta players and the developers of Dust 514, is what do you think of the overtly sexualized female character models? The accentuated breasts, the apparent necessity of the female character models to go into combat in high heel wedge boot, or the obvious need for the models to swing their hips in a sexy saunter while the male models are able to calmly strut around? Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist? Especially when, if one takes a moment to think about it, would not want their mother, grandmother, daughter, sister, aunt or any other women of regard in their lives to be portrayed in said like manner.
I could be going out on a limb by making a grand generalization as that, but I feel that I am not that far off base.
SO, if you have an opinion about this, I would love to hear it. I think this is a relevant today, given how, through our inundation via mass media and technology, we are constantly enculturated and socialized with what are the socially and culturally acceptable forms of representation of self and others, how we choose to interact with those identities, and what level of empathic understanding we apply to them. This is to be inclusive of socializing the behavior of objectification for the purpose of commodification so as to produce and accumulate material wealth.
Kind of like killing for profit. Maybe it's not so bad since we are clones? But do you think realistically a woman would want to make sure to sway her hips while int he process of preparing to go into combat and commit mass murder? I mean really? This is complete garbage. I been waiting to say that for about a week. Wtf is wrong with people. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:30:00 -
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didnt read everything obviously.. Only thing i have to say is "meh"
This is a video-game. And honestly, if one wants to start with how women are designed in this media, then Dust is probably not the first game that should be targetted.
In fact, the only thing that bothers me with the female suit is that their hitbox seems really smaller. And thus harder to hit. Wich is something i dont appreciate as there aint no downside in "being a girl".
I'm realizing that this last sentence is kinda ambiguous
out. |
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