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BABYLONSfalling
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:50:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:SO, Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist? No because its a fictional game, depicting fictional, athlete ised , idealised versions of human beings. Action movie humans if you will. Nobody expects you to look like that. I mean this is the nicest possible way: If you genuinely think this is an issue with Dust 514, I suggest you stop playing Dust and re-prioritise. There are much bigger fish to fry in the endless sex war debate. For example; the portrayal of women in glossy magazines, soap operas and advertising. While I'm sure you eager to flex you new found analytical muscles, and it must be nice and empowering for you, a beta forum for a game is a terrible place to conduct a qualitative study on gender perceptions. Its not empirical, and you just come across is one of those tools who did a 101 class in first year who pretend to be an authority on -insert social science here- on the internet. Its not impressive, and smacks of the worst kind of academic arrogance.
Well said. OP is pretentious, obnoxious, and overbearing. Whipped into a self-righteous frenzy and drunk on hyperbole. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:51:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:In terms of how we are genetically born and evolved in real life, I agree that women are technically weaker than men. Women do have the option of building themselves up body wise through rigorous exercise and hormone treatments. But those efforts hardly change anything in the woman's genes unless...
1. Every man wants to start doing it with muscular women like Spartans did. Keep in mind that Spartan women were raised to be equally tough as well. It was believed that only a Spartan woman can give birth to REAL men. That's how tough Spartan women were.
or
2. Scientists figure out how to manipulate the genes of a women to make them equally strong as men while still retaining their beauty (maybe in 500 years).
That is why I stated it is CCP's world and that they can make it how they want it. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:52:00 -
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Women being merc doesn't even make sense - our weapons are so powerful it kills people without our armor who uses it - yet a girl can wield it fine. I would think female armors would have physical enhancers to them or would be required of them to be able to hold there weapons. But let's focus on there breast sizes instead and how they walk.
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:54:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:SO, Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist? No because its a fictional game, depicting fictional, athlete ised , idealised versions of human beings. Action movie humans if you will. Nobody expects you to look like that. I mean this is the nicest possible way: If you genuinely think this is an issue with Dust 514, I suggest you stop playing Dust and re-prioritise. There are much bigger fish to fry in the endless sex war debate. For example; the portrayal of women in glossy magazines, soap operas and advertising. While I'm sure you eager to flex you new found analytical muscles, and it must be nice and empowering for you, a beta forum for a game is a terrible place to conduct a qualitative study on gender perceptions. Its not empirical, and you just come across is one of those tools who did a 101 class in first year who pretend to be an authority on -insert social science here- on the internet. Its not impressive, and smacks of the worst kind of academic arrogance.
Well put point. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:56:00 -
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1CLIP 1KILL wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Why do women cosplay (sexually) the way they do in gaming and anime conventions? I have seen plenty of women do that in conventions. oooookaaay ... I wouldn't have gone with anime conventions, I would have gone with the hot girls @ clubs (like Vegas/NYC) who just wear paint. I like paint.
Search your feelings, Luke. You know it to be true. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:57:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Wrote stufff.
Also Wrote stuff countering stuff written
As a guy or a guy-hating girl its easy not to see contextualization of men in games angled in a sexual manner because its considered so normal for the gender in games its almost laughable on how many bad examples there are. I mean how many rambo wanna be's have been gracing the covers of video games? well before the age of 3D I can assure you.
If you really wanted oversexualization of women in this game they would be all wearing bikkini armor. Courtesy of Terra http://img4.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/misc-ero-x/sexy-tera-online-025.jpg vs how I think dust handeled armor http://www.joanofarcparade.com/admin_joanofarc2_vfgi.jpg
Counter point, the Gallente male armor is oversexualized suit for men in many aspects that would make men just as uncomfortable. May need to wash eyes afterwards, you've been warned (yes its Safe for work I aint like that) http://static.mensunderwearstore.com/mm5/graphics/00000014/CC445054RED-F300.JPG True this model is skimp on the musceles but the fact the lower portion excentuates the package a bit and overly hugs the posterior does make men cringe at the idea for often than you think for reasons well... less obvious.
Caldari has light flavoring in it but its not that entirely that bad because what do you expect for a standard issue grunt? Limp noodle arms? That's like expecting the firemen's calendar to have anything less than the guys who do their work every day.
Minmatar Logistics Male is rather natural and normal while the and Amarr Heavy Male are as about neutral as you get.
Also : Army Body Armor http://www.army.mil/article/87464/
The Wrong Voice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtzlKJ1dObU
NASA Suit nail problem http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-09/bulky-tight-fitting-gloves-cause-tough-nails-astronauts-lose-their-fingernails |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:57:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Women being merc doesn't even make sense - our weapons are so powerful it kills people without our armor who uses it - yet a girl can wield it fine. I would think female armors would have physical enhancers to them or would be required of them to be able to hold there weapons. But let's focus on there breast sizes instead and how they walk.
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In Dust 514, it does make sense. Just say that the female clone bodies are genetically enhanced the same way as the male clones. |
Odiain Suliis
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
112
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Posted - 2012.12.23 17:59:00 -
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I think we should calm down and take a step back, because some of the comments in this thread are beginning to go towards to the point where they wont comply forum rules or good manner of argumentation. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:03:00 -
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More like the OP is a moron. You can barely tell the females are females. Go look at some other games and scream at them about sexualization of women. TERA for instance, or various other shooters where they are half naked. On here your lucky to even notice the breasts, the way they walk or even the boots. Now granted, should they eventually bring the carbon creator in then it's possible to sexual characters. However, most on EVE don't really do it before there is NO POINT! You know why?? Because you're stuck in a room by yourself going nuts! Also, none of the races have what could be called sexy clothing anymore. It all looks like normal clothing you'd find at the gap. Even the old amarr clothing used to be more risque. Now it's a shirt, tunic, pants and boots or shoes. Most of EVE shut down the CQ just because it's a waste still. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:04:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Women being merc doesn't even make sense - our weapons are so powerful it kills people without our armor who uses it - yet a girl can wield it fine. I would think female armors would have physical enhancers to them or would be required of them to be able to hold there weapons. But let's focus on there breast sizes instead and how they walk.
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These are engineered clones. They've already been enhanced. So no, they wouldn't need enhancers. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:07:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Women being merc doesn't even make sense - our weapons are so powerful it kills people without our armor who uses it - yet a girl can wield it fine. I would think female armors would have physical enhancers to them or would be required of them to be able to hold there weapons. But let's focus on there breast sizes instead and how they walk.
<3 these forums These are engineered clones. They've already been enhanced. So no, they wouldn't need enhancers.
Growth Steroids from biomass to person for a generic clone, it should reason all female combat clones are the same made with average assets for accommodation of their phscye much better. So not much mental adjustment is needed when a female's mind is shoved into a one of these clones bodies. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:09:00 -
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Guys, girls, guys, erm... whoever... please let's not call each other names here. We don't want this thread to be locked over name calling. After all I don't think the OP was trying to come across as ignorant or arrogant here. He, just like all of us here, have a valid point. Though disagreements arise, we should respect each other here. |
tastzlike chicken
ROGUE SPADES
59
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:10:00 -
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kind of glad they bothered enough to have female character models. -unlike some other shooters. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:11:00 -
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@Iron Wolf
That's nothing from Terra. You should see Bayonetta. Hell of a strip show that game is. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:14:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@Iron Wolf
That's nothing from Terra. You should see Bayonetta. Hell of a strip show that game is.
Well I was just pointing out a recent game showing despite efforts to tone it down it still blatantly exists in games today. Also Terra got in trouble with the pedo police because of their half-kin people looked like kids and they had sexualized armor. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:16:00 -
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May I lay this on the table.
Why did the greeks and other ancient sculptors have most of their human statues nekkid?
Hint: Has to do less with sex and more of arrogance. |
Friendly Woodsman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
37
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:25:00 -
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wow...where is the "dislike" button? OP raises a valid point about the over-sexualization and objectification of women in video games in general and DUST in particular, and pretty much the only response he gets for his trouble is an angry wall of text. I'm not surprised, really, since forums have trolls the way water has wet, but you people had my palm touching my face when I was reading through this thread.
I agree that DUST isn't as bad as some games, but that doesn't make it okay. I agree that society at large sucks on this issue, and that changing the world is hard, and world peace is...oh god, just stop! Yeah, maybe you, all by yourself, would have a difficult time influencing the "hearts and minds" of your fellow countrymen, or whatever, but you do have a pretty outsized influence on the direction of this game. The developers of this game did, after all, ask us to join these forums for the express purpose of influencing their thoughts on the current and future direction of the development of DUST.
We, as a playerbase, and testers of this beta, asked CCP to put female avatars into the game, and we can just as easily ask that they be the first developers to buck the trend in video games by NOT following the herd on the over-sexualization of women.
Nerf the hip-sway! Nerf the breast size! ...or build in complete customization. That would be cool with me. |
Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:29:00 -
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If you see anything beyond "red dot" "red dot" "red dot", I'm sorry to say, you're doing it wrong. |
1CLIP 1KILL
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:May I lay this on the table.
Why did the greeks and other ancient sculptors have most of their human statues nekkid?
Thank you. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:30:00 -
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Gemini Reynolds wrote:If you see anything beyond "red dot" "red dot" "red dot", I'm sorry to say, you're doing it wrong.
Definitely. |
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crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:33:00 -
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Only scouts have breasts like your talking about. And they don't jiggle Becusse the scout suit is suppose to be skin tight, easy to run in, no jiggling. If you scuba diving do you complian that the women in your group have skin tight outfits that show off their breasts? Should I wear something to cover my **** for you? Op is sexist, this thread is gross.
All the other more armored suits don't show off much of anything.
The heels are silly though. But op you need to meet more women your world view is going to make women friend zone you and you'll complain about how girls don't want you Becusse your a nice guy. Please we don't need more "nice guys" , get out more |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:34:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@Iron Wolf
That's nothing from Terra. You should see Bayonetta. Hell of a strip show that game is. Guess what, girls love that game, fyi |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:35:00 -
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To be honest, this is just another example to me of the over sensitivity of people to these things.
So, men and women are completely thr same physiologically right? Women don't ever sway their hips when they walk?
Its a visual indicator, not a smear job against women as people like to perceive.
If you look for something hard enough, you will find it in everything. DUST is very moderate, its not excessive like other games are in women, I would say you are overreacting, no offense to you personally at all. But DUST just doesn't warrant this kind of discussion if you look at the character models. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:37:00 -
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This threads a joke because the topics a joke - it doesn't belong on these forums. Trying to call this game sexist is like calling God of War a family game. Or Bomberman a deep puzzle game.
Put it simple: There is no issue with sexism here and there's not a single valid point in this thread to credit it. Maybe instead of posting here you should go to your local mall and beat up every 14 y/o girl wearing only half of what's considered decent in public. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
411
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:38:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:Be a ridiculously sexualised clone, limit your choices of dropsuit, or be a man. Your argument would hold water if the men weren't very sexualized themselves. The male assault is practically a spitting image of Adonis (if Adonis didn't have a face).
Personally, I don't have a problem with that. But it bothers me when people pretend that women are the only ones that get the 'sexy' treatment. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:39:00 -
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Anyanka Shadowmane wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:There's so much fail in this topic I don't even know where to start. The only non-sexist argument in favour of these suits I've seen is the commentary on Gallente culture. Really? May I ask what within my comments you considered sexist?
You didn't make any arguments in favour of the current female dropsuits. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:39:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Iron Wolf
That's nothing from Terra. You should see Bayonetta. Hell of a strip show that game is. Guess what, girls love that game, fyi
My girlfriend likes the character. She even likes her glasses. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:53:00 -
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Kasshern s Chrome wrote:This is my thing if you(a female) were to create a character yourselves body type and all 95% of woman will make themselves look like they just came out of a fantasy playboy issue as they do with mosy MMO games..
When do you ever see a FAT GIRL representation of themselves, Most will create someone who in there eyes they wanna be.. Im sorry but i feel that this is the way of the world today same as a male 95% of the time you wont find a guy creating a skimp ass version of themselves you know, There gonna be buff with some overbearing voice and a new persona...When there a fat kid with glasses and soprano toned voice,
viewing it as a sexist act kinda contradicts and has a hint of sexism in it anyway i mean unless your american(which i am) most woman are petite and are very sexual people, you would be underminding yourselves to potray yourself as anything less,
not to mention it brings unification to the table like a uniform school cant make jokes if you all look the same no? just saying
You just assumed 95% of women are too insecure about their own looks to accurately represent themselves in an avatar. I hope you don't then expect your opinion on matters of sexism to then be taken seriously. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.23 19:02:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Actually Kazeno, you are the one making this stereotype into a big deal. No one else, not anyone at CCP or otherwise intended to "oversexualize" them as see it. However, let me bring your attention to this. http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSaZXKCZiT-_pRB_x6mvOYjiuUzAt8WDJ7mBhcFEmjpFkfMZ1RXANow remember, only for research ;). But I could totally see this female in a Gallente Scout armor fitting perfectly. Now you want some "research"for any other points as well?
You're trying to make the case that these suits aren't stereotyping women, and you use Carmen Electra as a standard of comparison? I'd say, and hope, that you're just joking, but I've seen enough internet forums to never underestimate human stupidity.
If I've been successfully Poed on the other hand; kudos. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.23 19:15:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:SO, Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist? No because its a fictional game, depicting fictional, athlete ised , idealised versions of human beings. Action movie humans if you will. Nobody expects you to look like that. I mean this is the nicest possible way: If you genuinely think this is an issue with Dust 514, I suggest you stop playing Dust and re-prioritise. There are much bigger fish to fry in the endless sex war debate. For example; the portrayal of women in glossy magazines, soap operas and advertising. While I'm sure you eager to flex you new found analytical muscles, and it must be nice and empowering for you, a beta forum for a game is a terrible place to conduct a qualitative study on gender perceptions. Its not empirical, and you just come across is one of those tools who did a 101 class in first year who pretend to be an authority on -insert social science here- on the internet. Its not impressive, and smacks of the worst kind of academic arrogance.
You've constucted quite a strawman there. Kaz was addressing the representation of women in Dust. Not glossy mags or TV ads. Neither was Kaz attempting to conduct a study on the issue. If you're going to offer a critique of someone's position, make sure that's what you address in it. And don't finish with an ad hominem, those reliably say more about you than them. |
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